Okay, hear me out. I think the harbinger shown in the new trailer is a precursor. Let’s look at the evidence. First off the definition for the word harbinger is a forerunner of something. While it can also mean the coming of something I think its fits up more with the first definition. The precursor came before the forerunners which line up with the name. Another point I want to make is what the harbingers say. She talks about how the forerunner’s lies are at an end. I believe she is referring to the forerunners stealing the mantle from the precursors. This would also connect to Cortana who took the mantle of responsibility in Halo 5. It was this event that might have reawakened the harbinger for infinite. There’s still one thing that doesn’t line up. The recorders in lore were for humanity and wanted to give them the mantle. So why would she be fighting against us? Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about something.
Edit: It has been confirmed by Grimbrother one that quote “we also got our first look at the Harbinger. We don’t have a lot to say about this curious character at the moment, but I will give you this: They’re definitely not a Prelate.” (Check Cannon Fodder)
Its possible.
Though, given the few bits of visual description in the Forerunner Saga books, she doesn’t fit the bill for a Precursor.
Also (though this could have been changed since the July20 Demo), the Harbinger is working ‘for’ Atriox, according to Escherum. I doubt if any Precursors were alive, they would be taking orders form such primitive species.
She looks more like a Prelate, as seen on the cover of Divine Wind.
The precursors intended to leave the mantle to humanity, john is the best of us, so why would she say “you are not the future.”?
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She has an extra finger and none of the combatskin or weapon elements of a prelate and she appears to have mandibles so I highly doubt she is a prelate.
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After looking into the precursors lore and whatnot, I’d say the harbinger is not precursor. Not unless they were heavily retconned.
I think the harbinger is san shyumm (prophets) but the ones that aren’t the weak crappy ones. My only other theory is that she’s the Kahn Makr
precursor doesnt make much sense given How big precursors actually are and the fazct they are basically big bugs. He shape fits more of Prelate to me
My first instinct was a prophet, but y’all seem to have more extended universe info than I do.
EDIT: And now I know what a prelate is so… definitely that.
Some great feedback but I want to address some things. First I can see how some view the harbinger as a Prelate. Upon looking at pictures of them I can see the distinction however I think there’s enough difference that it’s questionable. To talk about the design of the harbinger not matching the precursor this could easily be retconned. We also don’t know all that well what the precursor looked like. The final thing I wanted to discuss was my theory for why the Harbinger would work with the banished. The old precursors waned to give the mantle to the ancient humans so why would they fight aginst them. It could be the harbinger has seen that humanity hasn’t really upheld the mantle and thus has bestowed it upon Atroix. The banished are now the top dogs of the universe and they have the power to uphold the mantle now. Thus why she says you are not the future implying that the banished are. It might be a bit of a stretch at parts but it does make sense.
She’s not a San’ Shyuum Prelate. Though I can see why she looks like one at first glance.
My guess is that the Harbinger is a member of a new species. A species that was alive along side the forerunners 100,000+ years ago. Something happened between the two species and the Harbinger resents the Forerunners (and by extension the Reclaimers, us).
Looking at what we know about prelates, I’d say the Harbinger is not one. The tech level she has seems on par with forerunner prometheans, for what little we’ve seen. Guess we’ll have to play the game to find out!
Im am pretty sure the Harbinger isnt a precursor. The Harbinger is looking pretty mechanicly especaly with the light on the torso, I get some major promethean vibes. Since it was suggested in the past that Cortana entering the Domain may have awoken something evil that maybe shouldnt have been found. It could very well be an unnamed Charakter that witnessed the story of the Forunners, then got stored in the Domain and is now back in a new Body.
The describtion of precursors is too far off especially in the way they present themself in comparison to the Harbinger. If they would appear again, it would be in some Bilogical way or
Fact: The Harbinger is the Khan Maykr who got confused about green armored dudes with guns shooting stuff.
I do not think she is Precursor. And I also hope it isn’t.
In the new book “Point of Light” there is a whole plot about how the Precursors could eventually return (in an insanely long time btw), and how Spark gets a new purpose in helping this to happen. Why would they simultaneously make 2 stories that ret-con each other?
And if it was a precursor my reaction would probably be something like “that’s it?” “That’s a precursor?”
I am somewhere between 99-110% sure that this is not a precursor.
If I had to guess something I would guess she’s a female Skimmer. Like a queen-bee type of creature maybe.
Could be a Prelate but I don’t think it is. 4 fingers instead of 3, no feet, I don’t know, It might be something completely unexpected too.
Doesn’t look anything like a prelate. My first impression was forerunner, but after watching the demo multiple times I don’t think it’s a forerunner. I wondered about precursor as well but I kind of think it’s something new
If the Harbinger is a Precursor, that could be an interesting way for the writers to hand-wave away the Flood on Zeta Halo. Perhaps she had some inherent influence over them, and changed them in some way? We know they’re not bringing the Flood back, so this could be the most interesting option.
She is obviously a Vex from Destiny. Case closed.
Although she does mention she is “the Harbringer of Truth” as in Prelate that used to work for the prophet of Truth.
Maybe. But whatever.
Also, Precursors can be anything. There is technically a lot of Precursor in the Flood and Hivemind.
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> After looking into the precursors lore and whatnot, I’d say the harbinger is not precursor. Not unless they were heavily retconned.
We’ve never seen one i the lore.
While I agree she isn’t one there’s no evidence outside of her dialogue to suggest she isn’t.
Vigg the Pale a prelate with extra fingers, no feet, a core and none of the elements that make their armour distinguishable? I doubt it Vigg as much as I’d love to take one on.
San’ Shyuum Prelate or maybe this is 343i take on female Sangheili?
She isn’t a Precursor for so many reasons
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She looks nothing like one
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Her tech seems about as Advanced as Forerunners tech. Precursors used Neural physics
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Throwing a living Precursors into the mix will completely confuse most players and it will kill the “Lovecraftian” feel they have. You’re not supposed to understand the goals of Precursors because they’re so far beyond the comprehension for Humans and all other life. Even Forerunners couldn’t understand them. Precursors are essentially gods, Chief bearly survived his encounter with the Didact. Chief wouldn’t stand a chance against a being like that.
It is way more likely that they’re a completely new species that 343i intends to expand upon over the course of this game life cycle. I still think we will get some Precursor/Primordial Easter eggs in this game either through gameplay locations, terminals or Datapads
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> My only other theory is that she’s the Kahn Makr.
That’s what I thought when I first saw her lol.
