I’m an insane fan of the Precursors, and have dug them since they’ve been introduced. The Precursors are the most powerful species in the Halo Universe. Their history is over 100 billion years old (predating the Universe), they’ve created the most powerful technology in the Universe (including the Domain which precedes the Universe), and they created life across the cosmos. In the Forerunner Saga, we meet the Primordial (the most powerful character in Halo) a Precursor who survived his people being killed by the Forerunners. As his body is destroyed by the IsoDidact in Primordium, we learned in Mythos that the Primordial took over the Gravemind. So the Gravemind since then has been the Primordial, seeking revenge for his species. In Silentium, Forthencho speaks with the Librarian about them, saying they are able to take on any form, dying away and being reborn again in different bodies. I believe that the Precursors’ physical forms are just avatars for them to inhabit. They are not bound to the physical universe like their creations or other any other matter. I believe when they turned their biological forms to dust, they were going to inhabit their original bodies (as said in the novels). Instead of their original forms to inhabit, a new species sprung from too much time of waiting. Remember, the Flood is a new species that sprung from the Precursors’ DNA, the Flood is not Precursors. One thing that does conflict with this argument is what the Primordial says to the Ur-Didact. He says at the end of Cryptum, “We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand.” Yeah, this kind of goes against my theory. If their bodies are just avatars, why would the Primordial says he’s the last of his people and be so bent on revenge? He would know they would inhabit bodies later on. The argument can be is that he was lying to the Didact, as he’s the master manipulator. Yes, there’s other arguments against my theory, but I think this idea would be really cool for them. They are the gods of the Halo Universe, and this would make sense for them.
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When the Primordial says he’s the last Precursor, could it be a “What I told you was true, from a certain point of view”? He’s the last Precursor in the Milky Way in physical form? He says creation continued. There were more of them in other galaxies creating life and testing species there as well.
well, the precursors turning themselves into electrical impulses that the brains have and move them into machines, the thing is that the technology of the precursors (if its not nearly eternal but there havent been a trace of working precursor technology in the known lore ((at least what i remember)) one of the reasons could be forerunners destroying it for whatever reason for.) has likely gotten out of working condition and could no longer hold the data stored in (ie the electrical impulses, though im not sure how precursors collective self works, im currently reflecting it to some form of trilobites or insectoids given their appearance.). The thing could be that with those sort of machines they could in theory infect a living host given that the hosts brain capasity could hold theoretically the most advanced mind in the galaxy that enormous bodies of the precursors held the more minor thing could be the precursor getting used to the new form of physiology. This wouldnt be so surprising given that the forerunners were quite close in similar matter on turning themselves in somewhat similar forms. But given that the primordial did got driven to madness and its massive drive of vengeance for the entire galaxy, is the result of him being the last of his kind for otherwise there could have been a chance for the return of the precursors and i think that supporting the all consuming organic material could not have been the best plan if it could have truly waited the return of the others compared to simply their loss of their physical forms which, even it could have been horrible and devastating, i still believe the primordial couldnt have tried to create such a hostile environment for all living beings in the galaxy. Rather i believe it did go like in the main lore of the precursors. To put it short, they tried to turn themselves in some form of dust and later recreate themselves fully in their physical forms but as we know, the dust somehow got corrupted and that started the chain of events that ultimately led to the parasitic life form known as the flood. And even if that was not the original plan, the primordial was driven to madness and it started to use the flood as a way to get revenge to the forerunners but in a chain of events that goal got twisted and it now targeted all sentient beings in the galaxy (did it get even more mad than it already was, did it get loyal to the flood and accept his species as it or something entirely different?). That is a short version of the story but there are deeper motives for the primordial and more twists on both the lore of precursors and rise of the flood.
“Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness… a father’s sins, passed to his son.”
this is fairly interesting quote. Does it mix humans for forerunners, does it prefer itself more of a flood than precursor (in which case it could be reference to human-flood war) or does it have a deeper meaning in it?
“There is much talk, and I have listened, through rock and metal and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen.”
I leave it to you to find out why i did put this other quote here, for you have to know some theories and lore about precursors to understand why i put it here. (and perhaps some of my motives, but you might never know.)
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> well, the precursors turning themselves into electrical impulses that the brains have and move them into machines, the thing is that the technology of the precursors (if its not nearly eternal but there havent been a trace of working precursor technology in the known lore ((at least what i remember)) one of the reasons could be forerunners destroying it for whatever reason for.) has likely gotten out of working condition and could no longer hold the data stored in (ie the electrical impulses, though im not sure how precursors collective self works, im currently reflecting it to some form of trilobites or insectoids given their appearance.). The thing could be that with those sort of machines they could in theory infect a living host given that the hosts brain capasity could hold theoretically the most advanced mind in the galaxy that enormous bodies of the precursors held the more minor thing could be the precursor getting used to the new form of physiology. This wouldnt be so surprising given that the forerunners were quite close in similar matter on turning themselves in somewhat similar forms. But given that the primordial did got driven to madness and its massive drive of vengeance for the entire galaxy, is the result of him being the last of his kind for otherwise there could have been a chance for the return of the precursors and i think that supporting the all consuming organic material could not have been the best plan if it could have truly waited the return of the others compared to simply their loss of their physical forms which, even it could have been horrible and devastating, i still believe the primordial couldnt have tried to create such a hostile environment for all living beings in the galaxy. Rather i believe it did go like in the main lore of the precursors. To put it short, they tried to turn themselves in some form of dust and later recreate themselves fully in their physical forms but as we know, the dust somehow got corrupted and that started the chain of events that ultimately led to the parasitic life form known as the flood. And even if that was not the original plan, the primordial was driven to madness and it started to use the flood as a way to get revenge to the forerunners but in a chain of events that goal got twisted and it now targeted all sentient beings in the galaxy (did it get even more mad than it already was, did it get loyal to the flood and accept his species as it or something entirely different?). That is a short version of the story but there are deeper motives for the primordial and more twists on both the lore of precursors and rise of the flood.
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> “Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness… a father’s sins, passed to his son.”
> this is fairly interesting quote. Does it mix humans for forerunners, does it prefer itself more of a flood than precursor (in which case it could be reference to human-flood war) or does it have a deeper meaning in it?
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> “There is much talk, and I have listened, through rock and metal and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen.”
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> I leave it to you to find out why i did put this other quote here, for you have to know some theories and lore about precursors to understand why i put it here. (and perhaps some of my motives, but you might never know.)
I think what the Forerunners wanted to achieve was just a very early stage of what the Precursors can do. I think the Forerunners didn’t know how to work it out and it resulted in the Knights.
I don’t think the Primordial is crazy, just very angry. It’d be like your family and friends being killed by someone. You wanting to hunt them down would very understandable as well as the pure rage. The Primordial took over the Gravemind, and is using the Flood to get his revenge. The whole “child of my enemy” line was when the Forerunners were originally supposed to be our ancestors. Now the line doesn’t make much sense. I’m curious why the Primordial would say that.
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> > ui well, the precursors turning themselves into electrical impulses that the brains have and move them into machines, the thing is that the technology of the precursors (if its not nearly eternal but there havent been a trace of working precursor technology in the known lore ((at least what i remember)) one of the reasons could be forerunners destroying it for whatever reason for.) has likely gotten out of working condition and could no longer hold the data stored in (ie the electrical impulses, though im not sure how precursors collective self works, im currently reflecting it to some form of trilobites or insectoids given their appearance.). The thing could be that with those sort of machines they could in theory infect a living host given that the hosts brain capasity could hold theoretically the most advanced mind in the galaxy that enormous bodies of the precursors held the more minor thing could be the precursor getting used to the new form of physiology. This wouldnt be so surprising given that the forerunners were quite close in similar matter on turning themselves in somewhat similar forms. But given that the primordial did got driven to madness and its massive drive of vengeance for the entire galaxy, is the result of him being the last of his kind for otherwise there could have been a chance for the return of the precursors and i think that supporting the all consuming organic material could not have been the best plan if it could have truly waited the return of the others compared to simply their loss of their physical forms which, even it could have been horrible and devastating, i still believe the primordial couldnt have tried to create such a hostile environment for all living beings in the galaxy. Rather i believe it did go like in the main lore of the precursors. To put it short, they tried to turn themselves in some form of dust and later recreate themselves fully in their physical forms but as we know, the dust somehow got corrupted and that started the chain of events that ultimately led to the parasitic life form known as the flood. And even if that was not the original plan, the primordial was driven to madness and it started to use the flood as a way to get revenge to the forerunners but in a chain of events that goal got twisted and it now targeted all sentient beings in the galaxy (did it get even more mad than it already was, did it get loyal to the flood and accept his species as it or something entirely different?). That is a short version of the story but there are deeper motives for the primordial and more twists on both the lore of precursors and rise of the flood.
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> > “Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness… a father’s sins, passed to his son.”
> > this is fairly interesting quote. Does it mix humans for forerunners, does it prefer itself more of a flood than precursor (in which case it could be reference to human-flood war) or does it have a deeper meaning in it?
> >
> > “There is much talk, and I have listened, through rock and metal and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen.”
> >
> > I leave it to you to find out why i did put this other quote here, for you have to know some theories and lore about precursors to understand why i put it here. (and perhaps some of my motives, but you might never know.)
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> I think what the Forerunners wanted to achieve was just a very early stage of what the Precursors can do. I think the Forerunners didn’t know how to work it out and it resulted in the Knights.
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> I don’t think the Primordial is crazy, just very angry. It’d be like your family and friends being killed by someone. You wanting to hunt them down would very understandable as well as the pure rage. The Primordial took over the Gravemind, and is using the Flood to get his revenge. The whole “child of my enemy” line was when the Forerunners were originally supposed to be our ancestors. Now the line doesn’t make much sense. I’m curious why the Primordial would say that.
yes, the knights are a result of a failed attempt to digitalize forerunners but i did write that they were close. Though that means they werent entirely succesfull. For even the knights cant be hosts for flood, they seem to be easily manipulated and it seems that they havent got a mind of their own or alternatively they cant fully control their actions which results in their robotic feel.
the primordial in other hand, seems mad rather than purely angry for its actions didnt only target the guilty species that destroyed precursors. Instead it tried to destroy all sentient life. It could have been pure rage at first but either with the effects of the flood or some factors it seems that its motives changed from simply getting revenge on one species to the destruction of all sentient beings. Whether it was pure madness or it saw itself as a flood rather than precursor is theoretical. If it saw itself as flood could make sense in a way for its actions seemed to gain prosperity only to the flood.
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> > > ui well, the precursors turning themselves into electrical impulses that the brains have and move them into machines, the thing is that the technology of the precursors (if its not nearly eternal but there havent been a trace of working precursor technology in the known lore ((at least what i remember)) one of the reasons could be forerunners destroying it for whatever reason for.) has likely gotten out of working condition and could no longer hold the data stored in (ie the electrical impulses, though im not sure how precursors collective self works, im currently reflecting it to some form of trilobites or insectoids given their appearance.). The thing could be that with those sort of machines they could in theory infect a living host given that the hosts brain capasity could hold theoretically the most advanced mind in the galaxy that enormous bodies of the precursors held the more minor thing could be the precursor getting used to the new form of physiology. This wouldnt be so surprising given that the forerunners were quite close in similar matter on turning themselves in somewhat similar forms. But given that the primordial did got driven to madness and its massive drive of vengeance for the entire galaxy, is the result of him being the last of his kind for otherwise there could have been a chance for the return of the precursors and i think that supporting the all consuming organic material could not have been the best plan if it could have truly waited the return of the others compared to simply their loss of their physical forms which, even it could have been horrible and devastating, i still believe the primordial couldnt have tried to create such a hostile environment for all living beings in the galaxy. Rather i believe it did go like in the main lore of the precursors. To put it short, they tried to turn themselves in some form of dust and later recreate themselves fully in their physical forms but as we know, the dust somehow got corrupted and that started the chain of events that ultimately led to the parasitic life form known as the flood. And even if that was not the original plan, the primordial was driven to madness and it started to use the flood as a way to get revenge to the forerunners but in a chain of events that goal got twisted and it now targeted all sentient beings in the galaxy (did it get even more mad than it already was, did it get loyal to the flood and accept his species as it or something entirely different?). That is a short version of the story but there are deeper motives for the primordial and more twists on both the lore of precursors and rise of the flood.
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> > > “Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness… a father’s sins, passed to his son.”
> > > this is fairly interesting quote. Does it mix humans for forerunners, does it prefer itself more of a flood than precursor (in which case it could be reference to human-flood war) or does it have a deeper meaning in it?
> > >
> > > “There is much talk, and I have listened, through rock and metal and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen.”
> > >
> > > I leave it to you to find out why i did put this other quote here, for you have to know some theories and lore about precursors to understand why i put it here. (and perhaps some of my motives, but you might never know.)
> >
> > I think what the Forerunners wanted to achieve was just a very early stage of what the Precursors can do. I think the Forerunners didn’t know how to work it out and it resulted in the Knights.
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> > I don’t think the Primordial is crazy, just very angry. It’d be like your family and friends being killed by someone. You wanting to hunt them down would very understandable as well as the pure rage. The Primordial took over the Gravemind, and is using the Flood to get his revenge. The whole “child of my enemy” line was when the Forerunners were originally supposed to be our ancestors. Now the line doesn’t make much sense. I’m curious why the Primordial would say that.
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> yes, the knights are a result of a failed attempt to digitalize forerunners but i did write that they were close. Though that means they werent entirely succesfull. For even the knights cant be hosts for flood, they seem to be easily manipulated and it seems that they havent got a mind of their own or alternatively they cant fully control their actions which results in their robotic feel.
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> the primordial in other hand, seems mad rather than purely angry for its actions didnt only target the guilty species that destroyed precursors. Instead it tried to destroy all sentient life. It could have been pure rage at first but either with the effects of the flood or some factors it seems that its motives changed from simply getting revenge on one species to the destruction of all sentient beings. Whether it was pure madness or it saw itself as a flood rather than precursor is theoretical. If it saw itself as flood could make sense in a way for its actions seemed to gain prosperity only to the flood.
I don’t think he feels as part of the Flood, rather it’s just a tool for his revenge. I hope he isn’t crazy. That’s usually a lazy excuse for villains “They’re crazy” unless we know their backstory. I think he believes the Milky Way is beyond saving and should be stopped from reaching elsewhere in the cosmos and punishment on their creation. It’s like an angry parent seriously punishing all the kids for something one of them did.
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> > > > ui well, the precursors turning themselves into electrical impulses that the brains have and move them into machines, the thing is that the technology of the precursors (if its not nearly eternal but there havent been a trace of working precursor technology in the known lore ((at least what i remember)) one of the reasons could be forerunners destroying it for whatever reason for.) has likely gotten out of working condition and could no longer hold the data stored in (ie the electrical impulses, though im not sure how precursors collective self works, im currently reflecting it to some form of trilobites or insectoids given their appearance.). The thing could be that with those sort of machines they could in theory infect a living host given that the hosts brain capasity could hold theoretically the most advanced mind in the galaxy that enormous bodies of the precursors held the more minor thing could be the precursor getting used to the new form of physiology. This wouldnt be so surprising given that the forerunners were quite close in similar matter on turning themselves in somewhat similar forms. But given that the primordial did got driven to madness and its massive drive of vengeance for the entire galaxy, is the result of him being the last of his kind for otherwise there could have been a chance for the return of the precursors and i think that supporting the all consuming organic material could not have been the best plan if it could have truly waited the return of the others compared to simply their loss of their physical forms which, even it could have been horrible and devastating, i still believe the primordial couldnt have tried to create such a hostile environment for all living beings in the galaxy. Rather i believe it did go like in the main lore of the precursors. To put it short, they tried to turn themselves in some form of dust and later recreate themselves fully in their physical forms but as we know, the dust somehow got corrupted and that started the chain of events that ultimately led to the parasitic life form known as the flood. And even if that was not the original plan, the primordial was driven to madness and it started to use the flood as a way to get revenge to the forerunners but in a chain of events that goal got twisted and it now targeted all sentient beings in the galaxy (did it get even more mad than it already was, did it get loyal to the flood and accept his species as it or something entirely different?). That is a short version of the story but there are deeper motives for the primordial and more twists on both the lore of precursors and rise of the flood.
> > > >
> > > > “Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness… a father’s sins, passed to his son.”
> > > > this is fairly interesting quote. Does it mix humans for forerunners, does it prefer itself more of a flood than precursor (in which case it could be reference to human-flood war) or does it have a deeper meaning in it?
> > > >
> > > > “There is much talk, and I have listened, through rock and metal and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen.”
> > > >
> > > > I leave it to you to find out why i did put this other quote here, for you have to know some theories and lore about precursors to understand why i put it here. (and perhaps some of my motives, but you might never know.)
> > >
> > > I think what the Forerunners wanted to achieve was just a very early stage of what the Precursors can do. I think the Forerunners didn’t know how to work it out and it resulted in the Knights.
> > >
> > > I don’t think the Primordial is crazy, just very angry. It’d be like your family and friends being killed by someone. You wanting to hunt them down would very understandable as well as the pure rage. The Primordial took over the Gravemind, and is using the Flood to get his revenge. The whole “child of my enemy” line was when the Forerunners were originally supposed to be our ancestors. Now the line doesn’t make much sense. I’m curious why the Primordial would say that.
> >
> > yes, the knights are a result of a failed attempt to digitalize forerunners but i did write that they were close. Though that means they werent entirely succesfull. For even the knights cant be hosts for flood, they seem to be easily manipulated and it seems that they havent got a mind of their own or alternatively they cant fully control their actions which results in their robotic feel.
> >
> > the primordial in other hand, seems mad rather than purely angry for its actions didnt only target the guilty species that destroyed precursors. Instead it tried to destroy all sentient life. It could have been pure rage at first but either with the effects of the flood or some factors it seems that its motives changed from simply getting revenge on one species to the destruction of all sentient beings. Whether it was pure madness or it saw itself as a flood rather than precursor is theoretical. If it saw itself as flood could make sense in a way for its actions seemed to gain prosperity only to the flood.
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> I don’t think he feels as part of the Flood, rather it’s just a tool for his revenge. I hope he isn’t crazy. That’s usually a lazy excuse for villains “They’re crazy” unless we know their backstory. I think he believes the Milky Way is beyond saving and should be stopped from reaching elsewhere in the cosmos and punishment on their creation. It’s like an angry parent seriously punishing all the kids for something one of them did.
well, if it is not mad then wouldn’t you think that destroying all sentient beings is a bit of a overreaction from the sins of one species. And if it doesnt see itself as a flood, then why trying to consume everything for the sins of the forerunners.
“Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness… a father’s sins, passed to his son.”
I see it this way with the Primordial. Imagine that you are a being who only lives to create life and see life florish - then some of the beings you created turns on you(we have more info regarding that with Myhthos though) and kills you or tries to. You regenrate and start trying tofigure out why. Why would they turn on you. Meanwhile as you try to understand that, you find that all you can now do is spread sickness and disease to living things and anything life you craete from then on is tainted, gets sick and dies horribly shortly after. You try to understand what’s happened to you, why this is happening to the life you touch and fix it only to fail again and again. It upsets you, makes you angry, drives you mad, causes you grief and pain. Eventually all your though turns to despair at your current situation, at the disease and sickness and death your causing just by existing now. Then this turns to anger. Anger at yourself, your situation. Then your anger turns to the ones who caused you to end up in that situation in the first place - in this case the Forerunners. That anger then festers into hatred which then manifests as a desire for vengence which will inevitably lead to suffering either for you(in the long-run) or the targets of your hatred. The Forerunners caused the Precursors to be be their current state. To be the Flood, the complete opposite of what they were, of all they were and stood for. In my opinion those Precursors that became the Flood are now stuck in a horrible, wretched existence. The transformation into this form didn’t just corrupt their physical forms, it corrupted their minds too, drove them insane with anger, hatred and wanting revenge against the Forerunners. Those feelings inevitably became so strong and consumed their being that they manifested and extended into a hatred for all life aswell and a desire to ensure that none of their creations would attempt to cause them pain and suffering again. I don’t what to think of the Primordial at moment though. I’d likei to think he’s using the Flood as a test of humanity’s meddle for the Mantle. If humanity passes the test, we recieve the mantle and flood passes on peacefully. If we fail he has the Flood consume the galaxy and the rest of the universe to ensure peace forever. As for the remaining Precursors, I believe there’s more in other galaxies or universes either sleeping, observing events here, manipulating events or just doing their thing and still creating life in those galaxies and universes.