Theory for enemies in halo 4 and possible plot (Primordium spoilers)

The Librarian
Through Primordium it is heavily implied that the Librarian is still alive. Now the question is what alive means. Is she still fully alive or was she “conserved” through a genetic imprint, similar to what happened to the Didact in Bornstellar.

Now the question is how did she survive the firing of the rings. It was stated previously that the ring wipes out all life in a certain range of the galatic center. But the Librarian stayed on Erde Tyrene (Earth), so that is out of the question. Now my second theory is that she along with lifeworkers, and a few other forerunners went to a Dyson Sphere similar to the one on Onyx, when they learned that the rings were going to be fired.

The Forerunners
I believe that Master Chief will have to fight Forerunners but not the majority just the Master Builder and whoever followed him. My reasoning behind this is simple, in an article it said that "master chief faces his toughest adversity yet, the creator of the halo rings. Note that it says creator and not creators. As most of you know the Master Builder was the creator of the Halo rings, and it is also known that he has a disdain for humans as well. So it would seem logical that he would want to wipe humanity out.

The Covenant
The Covenant will also be in Halo 4 but it was stated that they will be the least of Chief’s problems. At the end of Halo 3 the “Covenant” were already unraveling. The major prophets had been killed, the Elites left, and humanity had won the war. The races of the Covenant will be rebuilding and that is why I think they won’t play a big part in Halo 4. So what role will they play? I have no idea, but if I had to guess, I would say that you would have to fight small radical factions that still believed the Forerunners to be gods.

Who is the Timeless One?
What or who is the Timeless One?
Looking over a lot of threads, it seems that there people have taken two sides. On one the Timeless One isn’t a gravemind and on the other he isn’t. I’ll just list the evidence that we have so far (for both sides) and let you make your decision.

The Timeless One is a gravemind
I’ll use some quotes from books

“Back in the city, Forthencho had called it a Gravemind…Attached to my old spirits memories was a half-awareness that the Primordial itself had been several creatures joined together”
“I see now that you are nothing more than a Gravemind, a mash up of old victims infected by the flood”
-The Graveminds won’t look the same because the species that were infected were different than the species in 2552.
-Frankie has said that Graveminds can evolve, so this means that the Timeless One is just an old version of a Gravemind.
-There can be more than one type of Gravemind, and we have seen just one.

The Timeless One isn’t a gravemind
-it had legs, eyes color, changing skin and chattered like an insect
-he/she/it flies around a disk and has arms
-graveminds need to keep their biomass up and a gravemind couldn’t resist adding the tens of thousands of humans that roamed Installation 07
-A true Gravemind wouldn’t need a disc to help it get around since the Floodsupercell could just create gas bladders or wings and it would use those.

In response to this

> “Back in the city, Forthencho had called it a Gravemind…Attached to my old spirits memories was a half-awareness that the Primordial itself had been several creatures joined together”

Yprin logically states that they found the Primordial long after the flood attacked them and there was no way for it to be directly involved due to it’s harsh imprisonment.

I’ll just throw this in as a fun-fact. There is no such thing as a proto-gravemmind. Forthencho said that a Gravemind could be formed from flood coming together, regardless of size. Thus we have seen several Gravemind adaptations.

How will the rest of the Spartans tie into Halo 4
I think that Blue Team won’t be in Halo 4, but will be in 5 and 6. Most campaigns take less than a week, and I don’t see blue team locating Chief, especially when they think he’s dead.

The other monitors
We aren’t sure exactly what happened to Chakas. Was Chakas turned into Guilty Spark by “The Composer” or did the Forerunners only put certain parts of Chakas’ memory into Guilty Spark. The latter seems more likely because in the book Chakas knew that the Librarian was alive at that she was on the Arc. But Guilty Spark didn’t seem to know everything that Chakas knew.

Little is known about “The Composer”. Were all monitors made at one point alive?

Cortana
Frankie has already said that Cortana’s rampancy will play a part in Halo 4. I’m surprised that she didn’t start showing big signs of rampancy in Halo 3. She had already lived for more than the typical A.I. lifespan (7 years). Plus she absorbed the data on Installation 05, and being tortured by the Gravemind.

I don’t think that she’s going to pull a Mendicant Bias and completely screw over the Chief, but I do think that there Chief will lost trust in Cortana.

Do the Forerunners still hate the humans?
I think this one question is the most important question that we need to think about. And I don’t think we will get this answer until the last book in the Forerunner saga is released.

The Flood
I don’t believe that the Flood was confirmed to be in any of the other Halo games. But I would assume that they would be. At the end of Halo 3 only the flood in that area were wiped out. Back in the days of the Forerunners the flood came from out of the Milky Way galaxy, so wouldn’t it be likely that there are still flood from where they originate from? I hope that Frankie releases info on whether the flood will be a part of Halo 4.

In Primordial the majority of the humans were immune to the flood while every forerunner was infected by the flood. Initially the forerunners thought that the humans had devised a cure or were simply immune to the flood. Faber or the “master builder” tested this theory and tried to infect many humans these testing locations were dubbed The Palace of Pain. Later on in the story the Primordial told the forerunners that the flood can choose who to infect and who not to infect.

But that brings up a question if the flood was testing the humans and only the humans why would the flood also infect the Sangheili. Is it possible that they could to be in contention for the next holders of the mantle?

And that in some time in the future humans were going to be also tested by the flood to see if (correct me if i’m wrong) humanity was worth upholding the mantle. Now I’m going to assume that that time was during the events of Halo 1-3.

Now that brings up two theories.

Theory 1: Humanity has defeated the flood, and thus proven there worth of upholding the mantle, they will no longer be bothered by the flood.

Theory 2: The flood have lost a battle but not the war. It’s almost certain that there is still flood in places outside of the Milky Way galaxy, and the flood is going to attack again.

Now both theories seem to make sense though I do believe that it would be repetitive to have the flood in Halo 1,2,3, Wars, and the new trilogy. I think that it’s time for a new enemy to be in a way unleashed.

More info in post below

This post just got me excited. It makes sense and it sticks to canon as well as hints 343 have given out. Good Job!

> This post just got me excited. It makes sense and it sticks to canon as well as hints 343 have given out. Good Job!

Thank you, I’ll probably update this as I have more time to analyze the book and things such as trailers.

The Precursors
We now know that the Precursors wiped out races as they deemed fit, and the Forerunners were chosen to be wiped out. When the forerunners learned of this they rebelled and attacked the Precursors wiping them out (or that’s what we think). The Timeless One has said that he was the last of the Precursors. Now his definition of last may be different than ours. Maybe he’s the last pure precursor, or the last mutated one etc. But then again he was the antagonist of Primordium so he could just being lying about this. Again we’ll just have to wait for more information to confirm anything.
But this is where it gets confusing. The Timeless One who claims he was the last precursor, also said that after the Forerunner revolt, said “not all were killed, some escaped, creation continued.” Now we don’t know how truthful the “Timeless One” is but I believe that there are other Precursors still around.
My out on a limb guess
Making connection throughout my post, this is a theory that i put together.

  1. The humans were supposed to take the mantle instead of the forerunners.
  2. The flood came from somewhere other than the milky way galaxy
  3. The remaining precursors probably fled to another galaxy to avoid forerunner detection
    I Leave you with that…

Updated, read it pl0x

> I finished Primordium last week and have since been thinking of possible enemies in Halo 4.
>
> Through Primordium it is heavily implied that the Librarian is still alive. Now the question is what alive means. Is she still fully alive or was she “conserved” through a genetic imprint, similar to what happened to the Didact in Bornstellar.
>
> Now the question is how did she survive the firing of the rings. It was stated previously that the ring wipes out all life in a certain range of the galatic center. But the Librarian stayed on Erde Tyrene (Earth), so that is out of the question. Now my second theory is that she along with lifeworkers, and a few other forerunners went to a Dyson Sphere similar to the one on Onyx, when they learned that the rings were going to be fired.
>
> I believe that Master Chief will have to fight Forerunners but not the majority just the Master Builder and whoever followed him. My reasoning behind this is simple, in an article it said that "master chief faces his toughest adversity yet, the creator of the halo rings. Note that it says creator and not creators. As most of you know the Master Builder was the creator of the Halo rings, and it is also known that he has a disdain for humans as well. So it would seem logical that he would want to wipe humanity out.
>
> The Covenant will also be in Halo 4 but it was stated that they will be the least of Chief’s problems. At the end of Halo 3 the “Covenant” were already unraveling. The major prophets had been killed, the Elites left, and humanity had won the war. The races of the Covenant will be rebuilding and that is why I think they won’t play a big part in Halo 4. So what role will they play? I have no idea, but if I had to guess, I would say that you would have to fight small radical factions that still believed the Forerunners to be gods.
>
> What or who is the Timeless One?
> I don’t think that the timeless one was a gravemind and here are some reasons
> -it had legs, eyes, color changing skin, and chattered like an insect
> -he/she/it flies around a disk and has arms
> -graveminds need to keep their biomass up and a gravemind couldn’t resist adding the tens of thousands of humans that roamed Installation 07
>
> How will the rest of the Spartans tie into Halo 4
> I think that Blue Team won’t be in Halo 4, but will be in 5 and 6. Most campaigns take less than a week, and I don’t see blue team locating Chief, especially when they think he’s dead.
>
> Cortana
> Frankie has already said that Cortana’s rampancy will play a part in Halo 4. I’m surprised that she didn’t start showing big signs of rampancy in Halo 3. She had already lived for more than the typical A.I. lifespan (7 years). Plus she absorbed the data on Installation 05, and being tortured by the Gravemind.
>
> I don’t think that she’s going to pull a Mendicant Bias and completely screw over the Chief, but I do think that there Chief will lost trust in Cortana.

Wow this is a really, really good post. I havent actualy read primourdium yet, but from the sounds fo things this makes really good sense.

by master builder you mean Faber right?

> Wow this is a really, really good post. I havent actualy read primourdium yet, but from the sounds fo things this makes really good sense.

Primordium was an excellent book it answered a lot of questions, disproved a lot of theories, and made me really excited for Halo 4’s campaign.

> by master builder you mean Faber right?

Yup

> > by master builder you mean Faber right?
>
> Yup

ok then i agree to your theory.

This just blew my mind…

> This just blew my mind…

Lol

I need to read the books…I feel almost off topic here.

> I need to read the books…I feel almost off topic here.

What books didn’t you read? If you didn’t read any of them, then I would suggest reading Ghosts of Onyx, Glasslands, Crytum, and Primordium as they’re the books that are relevant to halo 4.

Updated the OP for anyone interested

I personally believe that the forerunners will not be the enemies, I mean, why would they hold humanity to such a high standard, then suddenly want to kill them. If the forerunners are enemies, I think the Didect is probably a good candidate, because in terminal 10, 343 Guilty Spark quotes “That would mean HE would have to be here too, and without the librarian around to temper his rage, well these reclaimers might almost prefer the flood.” so he may be insane after this amount of time, could be rouge, IF he’s still alive. Plus I must keep reminding myself that this the 1st of a new TRILOGY; I would bet you all $100 that the flood are absent in Halo 4( because lets be honest, with everything saying that their origin is unknown, and they could be waiting in the void of space, and specimens on containment facilities, and now new info on a CURE, they aren’t dead) and some idiot( or villain) will release the flood( or they will return on their own) at the end of Halo 5, then the conflict will be resolved in Halo 6. Just think, if they go that route, then we have Covenant, mysterious enemy, and flood( and maybe some other fraction introduced, rebels maybe?) for the finale. Maybe I’m looking too much into this and being uber-excited, or I could be onto something? Either way, we will all find out on “Holiday” 2012. (P.S, CAN WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL RELEASE DATE PLEASE, AND MUSIC, and campaign, and weapons, OH JUST GIVE ME THE GAME NOW!!!) :smiley:

Great job! this is one of the better Threads about Halo 4 :slight_smile:

Makes sense! Most of the threads i read are trash but i like how you broke things down and there weren’t any ridiculousness or anything! Loved it!

Faber and his henchmen are kinda presumed dead. After all we know he was on the ring and yet was never found and had no way of escaping prior to and after the Didact arrived. I mean, he was expendable.

OP great post dude, for most part i agree, and what i disagree on is irrelevent haha.

> Faber and his henchmen are kinda presumed dead. After all we know he was on the ring and yet was never found and had no way of escaping prior to and after the Didact arrived. I mean, he was expendable.

its certainly possible hes alive and well on installation 07, since its currently in a slipspace bubble. THe way the magazine cover says creator, rather than creators kinda singles out an individual