Then vs Now vs Halo: Tanks

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Hey there Halo canonites! So, I have been learning a lot about military technology over the past year or so, and let me tell you, its all very fascinating. What I am going to present here today is the evolution of the Tank from Human militaries throughout history, according to Halo canon. Don’t worry, reality still applies here as reality is canon within the Halo Universe up until a certain point in the timeline, which I and many others presume to be 2021. Anyways, this series will showcase the first model of a particular technology, the modern day model, and the latest model Humanity has to offer in the 26th century. I do this to put into perspective how much Humanity has come over the years in the Halo universe ever since the firing of the Halo Array. First we will be taking a look at the Tank.

First tank ever utilized in warfare, the British Mark 1 to 5 series were used in World War I to moderate effect:
-Mark 1
Dimensions: 25.98 x 14.2 x 8 ft
Total weight: 27.5(female)-28.4(male) tons
Crew: 8
Propulsion: Foster-Daimler Knight sleeve valve petrol engine
Speed: 3 km/h (2 mph)
Range: 45 km (27.96 mi)
Armament: Male: Two 57mm Hotchkiss 6 pdr QF and Three 7.7mm Hotchkiss machine guns
Female: Four 7.7mm Vickers machine guns and One 7.7 mm Hotchkiss machine gun
First Conflict Utilized: World War I
Affiliation: British Empire
Year Introduced: 1916

While there are many tanks used today all over the world, the M1A2 Abrams has proved to be one of the best, most intimidating, and most recognizable tank used in battle:
-M1A2 Abrams
Dimensions: 32.04 x 12 x 8 ft
Total weight: 68 short tons
Crew: 4
Propulsion: Honeywell AGT1500C multi-fuel turbine
Maximum speed: 42 mph (road) 25 mph (off road)
Range: 426 km (265 miles)
Armament: 120 mm L/44 M256A1 smoothbore cannon
Sec: Two cal.50 M2HB HMG and One 7.62mm M240 LMG coaxial, pintle mount
First Conflict Utilized: The Gulf War
Affiliation: United States of America
Year Introduced: 1980

Despite the existence of the Experimental Hannibal Scorpion and the M850 Grizzly, the M820 Scorpion MBT is the latest and most widely used model in the UNSC’s arsenal to date:
-M820 Scorpion
Dimensions: 33 x 28 x 19 ft
Total Weight: 35 metric tons
Crew: 2
Propulsion: Presumably a Liquid-cooled hydrogen-injected turbine ICE
Maximum Speed: 80 mph (road) Presumably 60 mph (off road)
Range: Presumably 1171.6 km (728 miles)
Armament: 150mm M990 Electrothermal-chemical smoothbore cannon
Sec: Presumably One parallel cal.50 M231 MG, and One 7.62mm M247T MMG coaxial, pintle mount
First Conflict Utilized: Presumably the Requiem Campaign
Affiliation: United Earth Government
Year Introduced: 2557

Edit: Scorpion propulsion information has been changed to turbine engine.

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> Hey there Halo canonites! So, I have been learning a lot about military technology over the past year or so, and let me tell you, its all very fascinating. What I am going to present here today is the evolution of the Tank from Human militaries throughout history, according to Halo canon. Don’t worry, reality still applies here as reality is canon within the Halo Universe up until a certain point in the timeline, which I and many others presume to be 2021. Anyways, this series will showcase the first model of a particular technology, the modern day model, and the latest model Humanity has to offer in the 26th century. I do this to put into perspective how much Humanity has come over the years in the Halo universe ever since the firing of the Halo Array. First we will be taking a look at the Tank.
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> First tank ever utilized in warfare, the British Mark 1 to 5 series were used in World War I to moderate effect:
> -Mark 1
> Dimensions: 25.98 x 14.2 x 8 ft
> Total weight: 27.5(female)-28.4(male) tons
> Crew: 8
> Propulsion: Foster-Daimler Knight sleeve valve petrol engine
> Speed: 3 km/h (2 mph)
> Range: 45 km (27.96 mi)
> Armament: Male: Two 57mm Hotchkiss 6 pdr QF and Three 7.7mm Hotchkiss machine guns
> Female: Four 7.7mm Vickers machine guns and One 7.7 mm Hotchkiss machine gun
> First Conflict Utilized: World War I
> Affiliation: British Empire
> Year Introduced: 1916
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> While there are many tanks used today all over the world, the M1A2 Abrams has proved to be one of the best, most intimidating, and most recognizable tank used in battle:
> -M1A2 Abrams
> Dimensions: 32.04 x 12 x 8 ft
> Total weight: 68 short tons
> Crew: 4
> Propulsion: Honeywell AGT1500C multi-fuel turbine
> Maximum speed: 42 mph (road) 25 mph (off road)
> Range: 426 km (265 miles)
> Armament: 120 mm L/44 M256A1 smoothbore cannon
> Sec: Two cal.50 M2HB HMG and One 7.62mm M240 LMG coaxial, pintle mount
> First Conflict Utilized: The Gulf War
> Affiliation: United States of America
> Year Introduced: 1980
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> Despite the existence of the Experimental Hannibal Scorpion and the M850 Grizzly, the M820 Scorpion MBT is the latest and most widely used model in the UNSC’s arsenal to date:
> -M820 Scorpion
> Dimensions: 33 x 28 x 19 ft
> Total Weight: 35 metric tons
> Crew: 2
> Propulsion: Liquid-cooled hydrogen-injected ICE
> Maximum Speed: 80 mph (road) Presumably 60 mph (off road)
> Range: Presumably 1171.6 km (728 miles)
> Armament: 150mm M990 Electrothermal-chemical smoothbore cannon
> Sec: Presumably One parallel cal.50 M231 MG, and One 7.62mm M247T MMG coaxial, pintle mount
> First Conflict Utilized: Presumably the Requiem Campaign
> Affiliation: United Earth Government
> Year Introduced: 2557

I think the most interesting take away from the information above is the use of an ICE over a turbine or future propulsion system. Also interesting to note how big it’s footprint is compared to a modern day tank.

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I thought the scorpion tanks used a 90mm cannon.

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> I thought the scorpion tanks used a 90mm cannon.

The older M808 model did, but the new M820 uses 150mm.

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> 2533274919463107;1:
> Hey there Halo canonites! So, I have been learning a lot about military technology over the past year or so, and let me tell you, its all very fascinating. What I am going to present here today is the evolution of the Tank from Human militaries throughout history, according to Halo canon. Don’t worry, reality still applies here as reality is canon within the Halo Universe up until a certain point in the timeline, which I and many others presume to be 2021. Anyways, this series will showcase the first model of a particular technology, the modern day model, and the latest model Humanity has to offer in the 26th century. I do this to put into perspective how much Humanity has come over the years in the Halo universe ever since the firing of the Halo Array. First we will be taking a look at the Tank.
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> First tank ever utilized in warfare, the British Mark 1 to 5 series were used in World War I to moderate effect:
> -Mark 1
> Dimensions: 25.98 x 14.2 x 8 ft
> Total weight: 27.5(female)-28.4(male) tons
> Crew: 8
> Propulsion: Foster-Daimler Knight sleeve valve petrol engine
> Speed: 3 km/h (2 mph)
> Range: 45 km (27.96 mi)
> Armament: Male: Two 57mm Hotchkiss 6 pdr QF and Three 7.7mm Hotchkiss machine guns
> Female: Four 7.7mm Vickers machine guns and One 7.7 mm Hotchkiss machine gun
> First Conflict Utilized: World War I
> Affiliation: British Empire
> Year Introduced: 1916
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> While there are many tanks used today all over the world, the M1A2 Abrams has proved to be one of the best, most intimidating, and most recognizable tank used in battle:
> -M1A2 Abrams
> Dimensions: 32.04 x 12 x 8 ft
> Total weight: 68 short tons
> Crew: 4
> Propulsion: Honeywell AGT1500C multi-fuel turbine
> Maximum speed: 42 mph (road) 25 mph (off road)
> Range: 426 km (265 miles)
> Armament: 120 mm L/44 M256A1 smoothbore cannon
> Sec: Two cal.50 M2HB HMG and One 7.62mm M240 LMG coaxial, pintle mount
> First Conflict Utilized: The Gulf War
> Affiliation: United States of America
> Year Introduced: 1980
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> Despite the existence of the Experimental Hannibal Scorpion and the M850 Grizzly, the M820 Scorpion MBT is the latest and most widely used model in the UNSC’s arsenal to date:
> -M820 Scorpion
> Dimensions: 33 x 28 x 19 ft
> Total Weight: 35 metric tons
> Crew: 2
> Propulsion: Liquid-cooled hydrogen-injected ICE
> Maximum Speed: 80 mph (road) Presumably 60 mph (off road)
> Range: Presumably 1171.6 km (728 miles)
> Armament: 150mm M990 Electrothermal-chemical smoothbore cannon
> Sec: Presumably One parallel cal.50 M231 MG, and One 7.62mm M247T MMG coaxial, pintle mount
> First Conflict Utilized: Presumably the Requiem Campaign
> Affiliation: United Earth Government
> Year Introduced: 2557

Some of your information over the M1 Abrams is incorrect, as most of it is considered “non-sensitive, publicly disclosed” material to begin with. For obvious reasons, no modern-military is going to disclose the actual capabilities of said armored vehicles. However, I would like to point out a little something that I know a little something about the speed of the Abrams, it can reach speeds a hell of a lot faster then 42mph off-road. During “testing”, they could hit ~80mph on the autobahn, unmodified - with engineers mentioning a maximum speed of ~90mph though that kind of speed wasn’t recommended under any conditions unless you wanted to burn up your tracks, not to mention the internal crapfest that would happen for going stupid.

I know back after 9/11 happened, some guys at Ramstein told me that the German’s Leopard IIs we’re rolling in at least ~100+ klicks on the autobahn before getting to the main gate. Take it was you will, but I’d choose an M1 abrams over some silly-looking Scorpion tank any day.

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> I know back after 9/11 happened, some guys at Ramstein told me that the German’s Leopard IIs we’re rolling in at least ~100+ klicks on the autobahn before getting to the main gate. Take it was you will, but I’d choose an M1 abrams over some silly-looking Scorpion tank any day.

While I will somewhat agree that perhaps the information I may have provided is incorrect about the M1 Abrams, it was the information I have gathered after conducting research over the past few years. The information I provided was the information that was provided to me from multiple online governed, military, and even unofficial sources such as Wikipedia. As well as my own family relative who has served in the US Army who confirmed the information given to me. Now, is that to say that its maximum speed is definitively 42 mph? Well, possibly no. You may be correct. The military may have not disclosed and may not allow disclosure of specific actual information, but since its the only information we have, its what I went with, which is perfectly reasonable. Then again, if multiple sources are all saying the same thing, including a first hand veteran, then I will be inclined to believe that as fact. Honestly, the only things I know the military have not disclosed about the Abrams are the actual specifics about its armor and what it is really composed of under the hood, and perhaps even the ammunition used in the main cannon. Yeah, the round is depleted Uranium, but hey, there might be other things going on inside that Sabot Round we don’t know about.

Anyways, the same thing could be said about the Scorpion. The things that have been provided as canon may be fact, but are they the whole story? If what you say is true, and the Abrams can indeed go over 42 mph and reach 80 mph off road, then I will be inclined to believe the Scorpion can achieve the same feat and can reach speeds of approximately over 150 mph off road. And while I will not bash your opinion on wanting the Abrams over the Scorpion, I will say I respectfully disagree. The fact that the Scorpion itself resides in the 26th Century, 500 years into the future where technology has had multiple opportunities to be improved upon and has been improved upon, then it would mean in that simple right, the Scorpion is better than any tank we have today. To you it may look silly, but to the people using it within the UNSC, they know its practicality and know that looks don’t always matter. I am sure there some who even believe the Abrams looks silly. As long as it can get the job done efficiently and safely, then its a done deal. Being pretty or looking cool is not a priority. I mean, the Mark 1 tank back in World War 1 looks strange, and by our standards its impractical. But back then, it was practical for their time period, and was the best they had, and to them, it was like “whoa this thing is groundbreaking technology,” literally and figuratively. They had no idea what direction in design and function tanks would go down in the future. They just knew that if the tank was a success, technological innovations would continue to allow it to get better and deadlier over time. I understand where you are coming from, and I am not trying to bash you either.

I appreciate the concern about the possibility that I may be misleading people, but I assure you, I have done my research through and through, and while I might not know everything (obviously since some things are disclosed), I know enough to provide as valuable, factual, and possibly interesting information that some people may not know about. Also, I am going to change the propulsion information on the Scoprion, since I forgot to say that the ICE is an educated guess since the UNSC utilizes those in many of the ground vehicles. But since its a tank, I don’t think a standard ICE would be the best choice. The fuel may be the same, but the engine may be some sort of turbine like whats used in the Abrams.

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> > Hey there Halo canonites! So, I have been learning a lot about military technology over the past year or so, and let me tell you, its all very fascinating. What I am going to present here today is the evolution of the Tank from Human militaries throughout history, according to Halo canon. Don’t worry, reality still applies here as reality is canon within the Halo Universe up until a certain point in the timeline, which I and many others presume to be 2021. Anyways, this series will showcase the first model of a particular technology, the modern day model, and the latest model Humanity has to offer in the 26th century. I do this to put into perspective how much Humanity has come over the years in the Halo universe ever since the firing of the Halo Array. First we will be taking a look at the Tank.
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> > First tank ever utilized in warfare, the British Mark 1 to 5 series were used in World War I to moderate effect:
> > -Mark 1
> > Dimensions: 25.98 x 14.2 x 8 ft
> > Total weight: 27.5(female)-28.4(male) tons
> > Crew: 8
> > Propulsion: Foster-Daimler Knight sleeve valve petrol engine
> > Speed: 3 km/h (2 mph)
> > Range: 45 km (27.96 mi)
> > Armament: Male: Two 57mm Hotchkiss 6 pdr QF and Three 7.7mm Hotchkiss machine guns
> > Female: Four 7.7mm Vickers machine guns and One 7.7 mm Hotchkiss machine gun
> > First Conflict Utilized: World War I
> > Affiliation: British Empire
> > Year Introduced: 1916
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> > While there are many tanks used today all over the world, the M1A2 Abrams has proved to be one of the best, most intimidating, and most recognizable tank used in battle:
> > -M1A2 Abrams
> > Dimensions: 32.04 x 12 x 8 ft
> > Total weight: 68 short tons
> > Crew: 4
> > Propulsion: Honeywell AGT1500C multi-fuel turbine
> > Maximum speed: 42 mph (road) 25 mph (off road)
> > Range: 426 km (265 miles)
> > Armament: 120 mm L/44 M256A1 smoothbore cannon
> > Sec: Two cal.50 M2HB HMG and One 7.62mm M240 LMG coaxial, pintle mount
> > First Conflict Utilized: The Gulf War
> > Affiliation: United States of America
> > Year Introduced: 1980
> >
> > Despite the existence of the Experimental Hannibal Scorpion and the M850 Grizzly, the M820 Scorpion MBT is the latest and most widely used model in the UNSC’s arsenal to date:
> > -M820 Scorpion
> > Dimensions: 33 x 28 x 19 ft
> > Total Weight: 35 metric tons
> > Crew: 2
> > Propulsion: Liquid-cooled hydrogen-injected ICE
> > Maximum Speed: 80 mph (road) Presumably 60 mph (off road)
> > Range: Presumably 1171.6 km (728 miles)
> > Armament: 150mm M990 Electrothermal-chemical smoothbore cannon
> > Sec: Presumably One parallel cal.50 M231 MG, and One 7.62mm M247T MMG coaxial, pintle mount
> > First Conflict Utilized: Presumably the Requiem Campaign
> > Affiliation: United Earth Government
> > Year Introduced: 2557
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> Some of your information over the M1 Abrams is incorrect, as most of it is considered “non-sensitive, publicly disclosed” material to begin with. For obvious reasons, no modern-military is going to disclose the actual capabilities of said armored vehicles. However, I would like to point out a little something that I know a little something about the speed of the Abrams, it can reach speeds a hell of a lot faster then 42mph off-road. During “testing”, they could hit ~80mph on the autobahn, unmodified - with engineers mentioning a maximum speed of ~90mph though that kind of speed wasn’t recommended under any conditions unless you wanted to burn up your tracks, not to mention the internal crapfest that would happen for going stupid.
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> I know back after 9/11 happened, some guys at Ramstein told me that the German’s Leopard IIs we’re rolling in at least ~100+ klicks on the autobahn before getting to the main gate. Take it was you will, but I’d choose an M1 abrams over some silly-looking Scorpion tank any day.

The Abrams probably has better armor. I doubt an M1 could get blown up by a bunch of people with small arms fire peppering it for a couple of minutes like happens in Warzone…

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Interesting comparison. Sorry if I didn’t notice it, but perhaps you should also add the armor that each has (Material/thickness).

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Gameplay is not a true representation of reality. Of course the M820 Scorpion would have better armor. Can you imagine all the advancements in armor technology Human militaries before the UNSC and then the UNSC afterwards might have developed over time? Besides, the M1A2 Abrams is not impervious to armor piercing ammunition, even 7.62mm. So, it would make sense that the M820 Scorpion is susceptible to rifle fire, since the rifles themselves are shooting 7.62mm AP rounds. Its just that gameplay does not do reality justice unfortunately, as it would be unlikely a couple of soldiers firing their MA5D’s all day at a Scorpion would really do much in a short amount of time, unless the weapons of the UNSC are just that powerful, which I doubt. They may be better than what we have today, but gosh, not that strong.

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> Interesting comparison. Sorry if I didn’t notice it, but perhaps you should also add the armor that each has (Material/thickness).

Unfortunately I cannot truly guesstimate the armor plating thickness or materials for the M820 Scorpion, so to ensure consistency, I will not provide the armor plating thickness for the Mark I and M1A2 Abrams. All I know is that the M820 features Titanium-A armor plating, but since its much lighter than its predecessor, the M808 and yet retains the same size, the armor must be of a different material or different chemical alloy of Titanium. Also, I do not know what other kinds of materials are used within the Scorpion, so for consistency’s sake, I will not provide the armor details of the other two tanks, unfortunately. I can assume though it features a material similar to this bullet proof foam substance underneath or weaved into the armor itself. And the highly likely possibility of carbon nanotubes weaved into the structure and materials as well for extra reinforcement. However, it is all speculation, and I would rather stay as true to consistency and canon as possible with what information I have been given.

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> > I know back after 9/11 happened, some guys at Ramstein told me that the German’s Leopard IIs we’re rolling in at least ~100+ klicks on the autobahn before getting to the main gate. Take it was you will, but I’d choose an M1 abrams over some silly-looking Scorpion tank any day.
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Allow me to intrude on some of your statements, as I respectfully agree to disagree here. Very little of what you see about modern day military vehicles will be one hundred percent truthful, as any informative statements would be in the operational disinterest of such important military assets. Now, you can go ahead and stick with your governed 42mph if you want, its your thread - but I will vocalize the faults in your vehicle comparison.

Exactly, its hard to quantify the RHAe (Kinetic vs Chemical resistance, etc) of the M1 Abrams… I’m not sure if the M820 Scorpion falls under the same issue though. Not to mention that if the M820 is anything like its predecessor, its likely firing an oversized 150mm Tungsten APBC shells (-Yoink- communist rounds)…

Your argument about the Scorpion hitting anywhere near 150mph is hilarious if you were joking, ludicrous is you are actually serious. We have absolutely zero reason to assume otherwise, as Canon Fodder entries are just that, canonical descriptions of the 26th Century’s technology. Not to mention that its a four-track system of all things, so I really don’t know why you would want to hit speeds higher then even 60mph on anything short of paved roads especially once you consider the host of problems that will arise from going cross country at those speeds, especially when your tank’s dimensions are much, much larger then that of the M1. So I don’t have a single clue why you would ever want your armored vehicles moving at that speed to begin with. And your completely argument falls apart at the mention of “its 500 years in the future, so obviously it must be better in every way”, as its not true at all. Its even acknowledged in the M820 Universe entry that the Scorpions design is terrible, and that economics were the most important factor in the decision to designate the Scorpion as the UNSC’s MBT. Not to mention that Bungie wanted to design an iconic vehicle that would be easily recognized amongst sci-fi gamers and nerds like ourselves - and it has succeeded at that. But outside of that? An Abrams would, in a one to one engagement, absolutely trash the Scorpion, not to mention best the M820 in almost every field (outside of possibly fuel range; tonnage - especially terrible for lightweight vehicles to be firing large-caliber munitions for many reasons; and minimal casualties in the event of destruction, which shouldn’t be happening anyway).

But overall, you’ve ignored the one fact that the M820 doesn’t share with the M1 Abram… its not dedicated anti-armor vehicle like the Abrams is. Meaning that the roles here are completely different, as the Scorpions are more tuned for urban warfare (eliminating numerous, lightly armored targets in rapid succession - infantry support vehicle) then anything else. You can see the disparity in the ways armored warfare is conducted between the UNSC and our RL militaries, which is further reflected on the designs of the vehicles the UNSC uses (the Scorpions larger profile provides additional coverage for friendly marines, shorter barrel compared to the Abrams designed for short-range warfare, tall turret will avoid hitting any friendlies sitting on top of the track pods, this comes at a cost though - negating the Scorpion’s ability to effectively ‘hull down’ at hills.)

I could go on…and on…and on… but I would literally fill this thread with pages worth of reasons for why the Scorpion baseline is terrible even when compared to our RL tanks. This is the most you will be getting from me today though, as I have a toothache that has been killing me for days. And with that, next to no patience for in-depth analysis. I will end this on a final note however, everything above was constructive criticism so by no means should you take it as bashing towards yourself. Again, pit an M1A3 vs the M820, and I’ll pick the Abrams anyday over the Scorpion.

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I wonder where the Grizzly fits into all of this.

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God, imagine scorpions in warzone doing 60, have your own little blitzkrieg. Instead i’m chugging along at a snails pace. Damn gameplay balancing.

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Yo, what’s the deal with the Scorpion’s crew? I remember back in Halo CE and 2, the lore used to say that a single Spartan could pilot it due to their sophisticated neural interfaces, but ordinary UNSC marines and soldiers with standard neural chips would need to work in pairs - a turret operator and a driver. It also says so in the Bungie-era Encyclopaedia, which means that’s also how it was considered in 3 and Reach. That makes sense - if you look at the front of the tank in all of its M808 iterations, you can clearly see a forward vision port where a driver might be seated. I’d imagine the gunner would be sitting where we normally do - and if a Spartan can sort of auto-pilot the tank with their advanced neural interface, they’d want to be manually operating the gun for the best accuracy.

This would make sense - a typical scorpion crew would consists of a gunner, a driver, and a commander operating the machine gun, or perhaps sitting where the MG would normally be installed on the C model in the case of the B model.

Just wondering if anyone’s got some solid lore or an opinion on what exactly the standard, non-Spartan crew of a regular scorpion would consist of, with 343’s interpretations of the lore. Have they just retconned it and reduced it to a single operator? Maybe the M808Bs and M808Cs had a larger crew, but M820s are more advanced for a single dude. I dunno.

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All UNSC personnel have the same kind of neural interfaces and can operate any vehicle just the same, no matter their designation as Army, Marines, Air Force, Spartan, or Navy. As such, the M808 Scorpion and its successor has always been designed for one operator. Yes, a second soldier can operate the pintle mounted machine gun turret on the M808C and M820 model, but its not essential for the operation of the Scorpion.

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I’ll PM you. I enjoy having conversations with those who love having technological discussions, and I would rather not get into a debate on this thread.

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That will definitely leave a hole in you

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Seeing as to how a .50 caliber round can be devastating to a body upon impact, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was just a couple pieces of you scattered here and there when hit by a 150mm shell.

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By the way, the Halo Encyclopedia definitely says that non-Spartan controlled Scorpions have separate cannon operators and drivers, separate from the machine gunner, so there’s either been a retcon or that only applies to the M808 and sub-models.