The Worf effect...please stop

First things first…I truly loved the campaign… Definitely top 3 for me. The interactions…the human development and fleshing out of chief. The juxtaposition offered by brohammer. The weapon and …GOD Jen Taylor is such an amazing voice actress. The antagonists…the grunts :rofl::rofl::rofl:

That said…I am getting SO sick and tired of the Worf effect trope being used to build up the enemies. Every time a new threat is introduced either they man handle spartans as if they were toys or you find Spartan bodies laying about. It REALLY starts to diminish the figure of the Spartans in everyone’s eyes.

Especially Atriox at the beginning just like he did in Halo wars 2 taking on three spartan 2 supersoldiers he just puts John down as if he was a child

It’s getting to be really annoying. It works well if used sparingly not all the damn time and so overtly

Ok sorry…rant over.

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Spartans may be lethal, but they are glass cannons. Look how easily all of Noble team was killed. Sure, they killed thousands of Covenant, but they also died very easily when they took a fatal blow. Spartans aren’t immortal, they’re just skilled and lucky, until their luck runs out. Chief relies on ammo and luck. No ammo, he’s toast in a fist fight against larger enemies.

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https://youtu.be/4hQ9AzL9DVk

Watch the video to the end

Wanna try that one again about the glass cannons?

Also

William 043…just saying

Noble team kills btw don’t really help your case…Kat dies as if she had no f#####g shields (someone blames the EMP but that makes no sense). Jorge gets slip spaced, carter explodes in a pelican and Emile gets a plasma sword through the chest…none of those deaths really smack me as glass cannons

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I mean you have to look back at the Halo 4 intro where Chief kills a Brute Chieftain with Gravity Hammer whilst unarmed; atop a heap of dead Elites/Brutes. Plus in the game where you can take Brutes in close combat.

I just don’t understand how he got the drop on Chief and Red Team. He’s a ten foot armoured tank with a glowing red energy mace. Plus Red Team had a super advanced AI with them.

Far as I am aware his equipment is no different than any other Chieftain and he doesn’t have any biological augmentations.

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That is the epitomy of the worf effect trope…

Don’t think you know what a glass cannon is. All you did was send a video that says Chief punches hard. That’s the cannon half of being a glass cannon. All power, no defense. Chief would have died with Atriox if he wasn’t thrown off into space. Spartans are unreasonably strong, but no shields, a head shot, an energy sword, or a good explosion will kill them.

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Watch the fight again…he blocks the first hammer blow with half shields. (A jackal shoots him just prior) …that is not a glass cannon…then his punches have ZERO effect…because…reasons?

Then he just gets overpowered…yeah no

Utter bs

Not feel a 1000 lbs. of armor driven by what the 8-10 tons of force produced by a fully armored spartan-II, I call major BS. that jumping upper cut john gave atriox would have shattered every one of atriox’s teeth broken his jaw and fractured his neck. when 1000 lbs. of armor hits you on the chin i don’t give an F if you’re a normal human or a brute its going to do some serious damage, even super man would feel it, but no the idiots at 343 (or the people that they outsourced it too) just want to make atriox out to be some big bad. Atriox didn’t even ride the blow it was like he got slapped by an infant not even brutes are that strong. they could have had atriox spit some teeth out at the least.

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I don’t understand the term worf effect

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Yeah really every Spartan should be stomping around like a Space Marine from 40k. Don’t they weigh a ton or something?

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yeah 1000lbs or very close to it

Hard to imagine Vale being that heavy. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

i think that gen 2 armor was like 750lbs

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So as I understand it, in kind of a loose narrative way, there is a different weight behind Spartan deaths depending on their class. Buck in New Blood puts it as “Spartan IIs are akin to titans, Spartan IIIs, god, and Spartan IVs, demigods.” or something like that – I’m paraphrasing. (In the scene I believe he’s just referring to the myth in of itself about Spartan invulnerability - this is not an actual analysis of the true statisitics) This makes a sort of sense to me, as Spartan IVs would probably be the lowest bar for showing Spartan causalities, as while their deaths are uncommon usually, they are – for lack of a better word – mundane enough to die sometimes without a whole lot of fanfare.

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Honestly, I am surprised at this point they haven’t added a “Spartan Rifle” as an automatic weapon that fires explosive bolt shells. :wink:

If you’ve seen the trailer for Space Marine 2 (which is itself ripping off Halo 4 intro BTW) or the Astartes videos it gives you some idea of what a Spartan in close combat would probably look like. To be fair, the Halo 5 cinematic does kind of convey this if in a more Avengers Assemble kind of tone.

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one can dream but we did come very close with “the asnwer” saw in H5

If you ever played that old game Fire Warrior that’s the game which got the Bolter right. Even Space Marine made it too tinny and like a normal gun. Whereas in that you can tell this thing is a monster and almost struggling to hurl these shells at you even on full auto.

Its a reference to Worf from Star Trek.

Effectively Worf is repeatedly stated to be a skilled and powerful warrior. So in order to prove the latest threat as big and scary it has to defeat Worf in a fight. This happens a lot in star trek, thus the trope.

Its rather common throughout halo though. Atriox did it twice, once in HW2 and now in Infinite where he kicks spartan butt at the start to show he means business, just for the player to then curbstomp his forces the rest of the game.

Similarly the books usually introduce new enemies as particularly deadly to Chief and others before swiftly becoming canon fodder.

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Worf was a Klingon security officer in Star Trek TNG…badass hand to hand warrior huge dude and whatnot…

But each time they had to introduce a new big bad they just had him beat up Worf like it was nothing so Worf became kind of a joke

It’s a trope

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Hence why Atriox casually swatting Spartan 2s away kinda bothers me…a lot

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