The Warthog used to be the center place of vehicle combat in Halo. You used it offensively, defensively and for objectives. But now it’s an easy free gunner kill for the enemy.
Just look at BTB. a bloody gungoose is magnitudes times better than a warthog and it only requires one player to operate. The gungoose also seems to have a heck of a lot more health.
Seriously, look at the history of warthogs in Halo games, you generally needed to get stickies, PP or power weapon pickups to take them out. You needed teamwork. Now all you need to be is a decent shot to perfect the gunner out. It’s way too easy!
The common counter argument to this is comparing req levels and this is a complete BS. It ruins vehicle combat in BTB using that comparison. The warthog needs to be great again, and yes, it can be effective at times, but ultimately it is an under powered piece of crap, in order to do well with the vehicle you first must be matched against idiots.
Also the Mantis is complete garbage. It has no armour, it’s slow, it can be boarded from 10 feet away from all angles and it can die from a single wraith shot, hell a wraith can splatter you out of the mantis.
This is the main reason I almost never call in vehicles. Nevermind the fact that nobody protects you or jumps in the gunner seat, but the armor doesn’t protect you from being an easy target.
The issue I have with the 'Hog is that they made the gunner’s head more exposed (ever so slightly) while also reducing any horizontal spread on the precisions. In fact, the only reason there’s vertical spread on the BR is because of the recoil kick that actually lifts up (noticeable between the H5 and H2 Classic).
So, while the older 'Hogs offered some protection for the gunner due to spread, there is practically none now. And players know it!
I’m fine with the armour and agility of the 'Hogs, but especially without a bro-spawning feature to get fireteam members back into vehicles quickly, it often sucks for the gunner against a marginally communicative team.
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> So… The Gungoose is better than the Warthog because it’s too easy to shoot people out of the Warthog? …As compared to the Gungoose?
Actually, I find I get more ranged 'Hog gunner and passenger kills than I do Gungoose driver kills. There’s some wonky stuff happening with Gungooses.
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> The issue I have with the 'Hog is that they made the gunner’s head more exposed (ever so slightly) while also reducing any horizontal spread on the precisions. In fact, the only reason there’s vertical spread on the BR is because of the recoil kick that actually lifts up (noticeable between the H5 and H2 Classic).
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> So, while the older 'Hogs offered some protection for the gunner due to spread, there is practically none now. And players know it!
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> I’m fine with the armour and agility of the 'Hogs, but especially without a bro-spawning feature to get fireteam members back into vehicles quickly, it often sucks for the gunner against a marginally communicative team.
Yeah lol. I remember in H3 there would be fights over who could gun on standoff, now on deadlock it’s largely ignored. Best use of the 'Hog so far is a super fast rush to capture a flag or rush their stronghold zone.
The gunner is just too easy to shoot out of the 'Hog, before you actually needed to coordinate with a team. Get a brute shot or stickies and wait. Now it’s just easily perfect them out. Really sucks.
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> So… The Gungoose is better than the Warthog because it’s too easy to shoot people out of the Warthog? …As compared to the Gungoose?
The gungoose is better period. I can take out warthog gunners with a single volley. I have taken direct hits from Gauss hogs while in a gungoose and still won the engadgment. Gungeese are OP no matter what way you look at it, instant kill shots, all it takes is a little skill.
Halo 4’s Mantis could be splattered by a boosting Wraith. It’s just that everywhere else, the Mantis is trash. Boarding is too easy, the shields are pretty much useless, and so is the armor.
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> They need to make it so that the gunner has extra armor or sumthing
I have been thinking if they lowered the gunner a bit, removed headshot kills from loadout weapons and increased shield regen then gunning wouldn’t be so bad. Keep the snipe headshot in there still though.
I don’t have alot of issue with the warthog, although a little more protection for the gunner would be nice. The mantis on the other hand is trash. I’ve seen a mantis literally stomp down right on a spartan before they board it, and nothing happens. The melee is terrible, making it much easier to board. The armor is also terrible, the shielding could stay the same if they just upgraded the armor. And the weapons could probly be improved by allowing the rockets to lock on to ground vehicles. If they can’t fix it at least lower it’s req level.
In BTB the warthog is not very effective at all unless we’re talking about the gauss.
However in Warzone especially the early game the warthog is extremely effective when you’re up against pistols and AR’s, the ONI warthog is a completely different beast.
The maps aren’t designed for vehicles. Which is why the gungoose does well (except for its constant need to flip) because the gungoose is small and can fit in more places of any map without getting stuck by a random rock or tree.
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> > So… The Gungoose is better than the Warthog because it’s too easy to shoot people out of the Warthog? …As compared to the Gungoose?
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> The gungoose is better period. Better than what? At what? I can take out warthog gunners with a single volley. Ok. I have taken direct hits from Gauss hogs while in a gungoose and still won the engadgment. No, you haven’t. Gungeese are OP no matter what way you look at it, Wait, what? instant kill shots, all it takes is a little skill. Are you implying that all one-hit kills are OP?
