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I’m probably going to get a lot of hate for doing this, but here’s the ugly truth about this community. I realize that not every single person here is like this.
Ever since Halo 4, the Halo Waypoint community has been blind in it’s hate for 343. Understandably, the multiplayer wasn’t great, and this is something that the haters will never forgive, no matter how much change there is. Constructive criticism is one thing, but we rarely saw any of that. Add MCC’s problems on top of that, and now every hater has more than enough ammo to shoot down anything proposed by 343. In their mind, 343 is the death of Halo. The final nail in the coffin for these people is the inclusion of Sprint. Now the comparisons between old Halo and new Halo will never end because the haters will always fall back on sprint to try and back up their claims.
The truth about sprint is, most people want it. But the haters can’t accept that. They used to argue with cold hard facts on the death of Halo 4 “Significant population drop after 1 week! The evidence speaks for itself.” but now we have a double standard. No one can accept that sprint is liked and wanted by the majority of players, despite the evidence provided by 343. By the way, this isn’t the only research that 343 has done on sprint. They have more data to look at than you could read in 6 months. They’re a triple A game company working on an iconic series, they have access to more information than you ever could possibly have. You were wrong about sprint but don’t worry, 343 saw your complaint and even decided to make it toggleable in customs. They looked out for you even when the facts were staggering against you.
343 refuses to take out sprint and this leaves the haters with one option, they want Halo 5 to fail. You’ve always wanted this game to fail. Ever since you knew it was being made by 343, ever since Halo 4 “betrayed” you. But why? Because you hope that if Halo 5 fails, everyone will look to you and see that you were right all along. You desperately want the world to know that sprint is a disease in Halo, with 343 subsequently returning Halo “to its roots”. What this means to you is Halo 3 all over again. No? Well I haven’t seen you suggest anything to make Halo new. You just want classic Halo. It’s like if someone wants to paint their room green and every single shade of green is shown to them by a painter and then rejected. Obviously they didn’t want green! And obviously you don’t want Halo to change. You want the art style to stay the same, the guns to never change and the sound effects that we had before.
See that’s what it’s all been about with the haters. They have their own selfish agenda which is to prove that they are right and everyone else is wrong. They have lots to back this up and masquerade this agenda including things like: I’m a veteran, the old designs were iconic, Halo 4 bombed, MCC failed, sprint ruins Halo, and many more. You see, the reason why none of these people talk about good things is because then they can’t bash anything. The community has always wanted Arena as it is now but the haters won’t even acknowledge it’s existence. Instead, they focus on bashing Spartan Abilities and use the buzzword “skillgap” to try and justify their rage. You can always count on the haters making a big deal out of nothing. We get free maps and microtransactions that aren’t pay-to-win and they complain. Microtransactions are an easy thing to hate and harder to justify, even if they aren’t pay-to-win. It’s like your older brother getting mad at you for using his computer when all you did was check your e-mail. Easy to point the finger, harder to explain yourself. People hate on Warzone for being “too random” yet they loved BTB where you can’t possibly predict the weapons and vehicles in play after 5 minutes.
People constantly bash Halo 5 even when they know they’re wrong. Look at the reaction here to the E3 campaign demo. It was mostly scripted and showed some big moments, including our first look at Squad gameplay against new enemies and a Guardian in-game. But the haters will yet again use this as ammo against 343 because it wasn’t huge with branching paths like 343 said the campaign would be. Newsflash: Game Informer’s sneak peek at the campaign was just that! Haters didn’t talk about the Blue Team mission much because they couldn’t find something to bash about it. No point in talking about something if you can’t find something about it to hate am I right?
People say Elites should be in the game because of lore reasons but then slam the door in the faces of people who want other things because of lore reasons. Halo 5 has come a long way from Halo 4 and no one is willing to acknowledge it. They just sweep all the positives under the rug and focus solely on the things they hate.
People can’t accept that Halo 5 is Halo reimagined. If you hate this game so much then just leave, no one cares about how the Wraith looks weird from one angle, no one wants the BR to dominate the sandbox again, no one cares that you think 343 is ruining Halo. Play something you like, whether it’s MCC, Doom, Unreal Tournament, Counter-Strike, Team Fortress 2, or whatever.
Rant over and flame shield is on.
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> > Zoom, you can’t possibly being talking about the 11% poll results are you?
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I mean you are using that as a measurement that anti sprinters are only full of blind hate, particularly towards 343, and despite how…interesting the poll was correct?
Well hopefully non of the haters will buy Halo 5. So then it will only be people who enjoy the game playing it, and then there will be less negativity and more positivity
that’s odd because everyone on waypoint seemed to defend the halo 4 multiplayer and all its downfalls for he year after it was released.
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odd to see you post so much on “haters” misrepresenting your posts…only to do the same thing
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If you spent less time on threads created by idiots you’d understand that it wasn’t rare
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The thing that you and others like you denied were a problem until much further down the line?
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another misrepresentation
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which funnily enough was an issue prior 343
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you know or clamber, map design, the non-working ranking system, aesthetic, ADS etc
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who is most?
the next 3 paragraphs sicken me, there are some that fit in that category, but to lump all people giving negative criticism is as pathetic as the people you are arguing against. you seem oblivious to the criticism given after the beta, the stuff people with your opinion passively defended like the ending animation, zoom animation, ADS, move speed and acceleration, AR strength, medal feed, spartan chatter, weapon balance etc. these opinions were crafted from people who spoken out against them giving reasons…but no we’re just posting thread after thread and trying to reach out to the developer to set the game up for failure.
also the BTB comment is dumb, maybe you aren’t good enough but BTB prior to halo 4 you most definitely can keep tabs on everything within the game.
you are the equivalent of the people posting negative white noise threads, just with the opposing opinion. speaking with the same generalisations, ramming an agenda down throats, critiquing the community instead of putting effort in to discuss andcritique the game.
I’m technically a hater according to some “White Knights” I think they are called… I just don’t like that Warzone is sort of an excuse to cut out a lot of features. We’ve lost a lot of features that don’t need to be listed off for obvious reasoning. Warzone has a slice of pie for just about everyone except arena shooter who can and will play Arena. But their excuses for not having Firefight and Spartan Ops are usually just insufficient and generally weak. They did build Halo 5 off of a new engine but they had 3 years to give us the things they have ‘taken out’ of Halo. Emphasis on taken out because they were already in past Halo games so all they had to do was keep them in. Furthermore I can understand the exclusion of Spartan Ops because it was a failure but people have been asking for Firefight since 2012 in Halo 4, 2014 in the MCC and 2015-present. Just excusable.
And not having elites and calling it anti-canon is ridiculous and I’ve explained why before several times and how it’s perfectly canon to have them. Not the ANVIL program or how they are on some UNSC ships working with the UNSC that’s, not the reason. The way they CAN easily be canon is if 343 just uses the holograms they use to create the War Games map environments to make holographic AI enemies that are player controlled and since they are saying they are trying to keep multiplayer canon then they can give us every single species and race to play because they would be holograms for Spartans to fight and train against in War Games.They already have AI’s in Warzone so it wouldn’t be a big step in canon terms for them to let us play as holograms for spartans to practice against and learn the strengths and weaknesses of their enemies, it would make more sense than to continue fighting against other UNSC personnel and learn the weaknesses of other spartans.
I also really don’t see these destructive posts that often, maybe because I don’t really look in their direction because as I said… It’s destructive.
Also, no one really complains about sprint anymore. There is a mass majority of people that are pro-sprint but just want it to be implemented in a better way that feels more Halo. But aren’t the elitists gone? Haven’t they went into hiding? The only real arguments that break-out now are about split-screen and those stupidly controversial REQ packs.
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> > > Ever since Halo 4, the Halo Waypoint community has been blind in it’s hate for 343.
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> > > Understandably, the multiplayer wasn’t great
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> > that’s odd because everyone on waypoint seemed to defend the halo 4 multiplayer and all its downfalls for he year after it was released.
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> > > this is something that the haters will never forgive, no matter how much change there is.
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> > odd to see you post so much on “haters” misrepresenting your posts…only to do the same thing
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> > > Constructive criticism is one thing, but we rarely saw any of that.
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> > If you spent less time on threads created by idiots you’d understand that it wasn’t rare
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> > > Add MCC’s problems on top of that,
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> > The thing that you and others like you denied were a problem until much further down the line?
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> > > In their mind, 343 is the death of Halo.
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> > another misrepresentation
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> > > The final nail in the coffin for these people is the inclusion of Sprint.
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> > which funnily enough was an issue prior 343
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> > > Now the comparisons between old Halo and new Halo will never end because the haters will always fall back on sprint to try and back up their claims.
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> > you know or clamber, map design, the non-working ranking system, aesthetic, ADS etc
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> > > The truth about sprint is, most people want it.
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> > who is most?
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> > the next 3 paragraphs sicken me, there are some that fit in that category, but to lump all people giving negative criticism is as pathetic as the people you are arguing against. you seem oblivious to the criticism given after the beta, the stuff people with your opinion passively defended like the ending animation, zoom animation, ADS, move speed and acceleration, AR strength, medal feed, spartan chatter, weapon balance etc. these opinions were crafted from people who spoken out against them giving reasons…but no we’re just posting thread after thread and trying to reach out to the developer to set the game up for failure.
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> > also the BTB comment is dumb, maybe you aren’t good enough but BTB prior to halo 4 you most definitely can keep tabs on everything within the game.
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> > you are the equivalent of the people posting negative white noise threads, just with the opposing opinion. speaking with the same generalisations, ramming an agenda down throats, critiquing the community instead of putting effort in to discuss andcritique the game.
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> Ironically, as OP brought up, i didn’t see you offer any actual constructive criticism.
ironically neither did the OP…or you. this is a rant thread, you won’t find criticism on the game here. Just a further attempt to derail and segment the community.
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> > > Ever since Halo 4, the Halo Waypoint community has been blind in it’s hate for 343.
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> > blind and hate nice buzzwords.
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> > > Understandably, the multiplayer wasn’t great
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> > that’s odd because everyone on waypoint seemed to defend the halo 4 multiplayer and all its downfalls for he year after it was released.
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> > > this is something that the haters will never forgive, no matter how much change there is.
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> > odd to see you post so much on “haters” misrepresenting your posts…only to do the same thing
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> > > Constructive criticism is one thing, but we rarely saw any of that.
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> > If you spent less time on threads created by idiots you’d understand that it wasn’t rare
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> > > Add MCC’s problems on top of that,
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> > The thing that you and others like you denied were a problem until much further down the line?
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> > > In their mind, 343 is the death of Halo.
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> > another misrepresentation
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> > > The final nail in the coffin for these people is the inclusion of Sprint.
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> > which funnily enough was an issue prior 343
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> > > Now the comparisons between old Halo and new Halo will never end because the haters will always fall back on sprint to try and back up their claims.
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> > you know or clamber, map design, the non-working ranking system, aesthetic, ADS etc
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> > > The truth about sprint is, most people want it.
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> > who is most?
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> > the next 3 paragraphs sicken me, there are some that fit in that category, but to lump all people giving negative criticism is as pathetic as the people you are arguing against. you seem oblivious to the criticism given after the beta, the stuff people with your opinion passively defended like the ending animation, zoom animation, ADS, move speed and acceleration, AR strength, medal feed, spartan chatter, weapon balance etc. these opinions were crafted from people who spoken out against them giving reasons…but no we’re just posting thread after thread and trying to reach out to the developer to set the game up for failure.
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> > also the BTB comment is dumb, maybe you aren’t good enough but BTB prior to halo 4 you most definitely can keep tabs on everything within the game.
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> > you are the equivalent of the people posting negative white noise threads, just with the opposing opinion. speaking with the same generalisations, ramming an agenda down throats, critiquing the community instead of putting effort in to discuss andcritique the game.
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> Ironically, as OP brought up, i didn’t see you offer any actual constructive criticism.
No, but atleast he took the time to counter what OP said. Anyways, did you really think a thread complaining about the Halo community would harbor any constructive criticism?
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> Umm, Question…
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> I’m technically a hater according to some “White Knights” I think they are called… I just don’t like that Warzone is sort of an excuse to cut out a lot of features. We’ve lost a lot of features that don’t need to be listed off for obvious reasoning. Warzone has a slice of pie for just about everyone except arena shooter who can and will play Arena. But their excuses for not having Firefight and Spartan Ops are usually just insufficient and generally weak. They did build Halo 5 off of a new engine but they had 3 years to give us the things they have ‘taken out’ of Halo. Emphasis on taken out because they were already in past Halo games so all they had to do was keep them in. Furthermore I can understand the exclusion of Spartan Ops because it was a failure but people have been asking for Firefight since 2012 in Halo 4, 2014 in the MCC and 2015-present. Just excusable.
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> And not having elites and calling it anti-canon is ridiculous and I’ve explained why before several times and how it’s perfectly canon to have them. Not the ANVIL program or how they are on some UNSC ships working with the UNSC that’s, not the reason. The way they CAN easily be canon is if 343 just uses the holograms they use to create the War Games map environments to make holographic AI enemies that are player controlled and since they are saying they are trying to keep multiplayer canon then they can give us every single species and race to play because they would be holograms for Spartans to fight and train against in War Games.They already have AI’s in Warzone so it wouldn’t be a big step in canon terms for them to let us play as holograms for spartans to practice against and learn the strengths and weaknesses of their enemies, it would make more sense than to continue fighting against other UNSC personnel and learn the weaknesses of other spartans.
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> I also really don’t see these destructive posts that often, maybe because I don’t really look in their direction because as I said… It’s destructive.
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> Also, no one really complains about sprint anymore. There is a mass majority of people that are pro-sprint but just want it to be implemented in a better way that feels more Halo. But aren’t the elitists gone? Haven’t they went into hiding? The only real arguments that break-out now are about split-screen and those stupidly controversial REQ packs.
Yep, the ugly truth is that Halo Reach, from 2010, simply had more content, variety wise than Halo 5 will this year.
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Is it time for the sweeping generalizations game again? Yay, I LOVE this game! Since you had you’re fun generalizing every critic of 343 as a “hater”, now it’s my time to blindly generalize the 343 supporters.
Every person who supports the new direction of Halo is a sheep who likes the gaming industry to financially screw them over. They also love it when games lose their value in the market and conform to industry standards rather than making them. And despite seeing the facts of population decline and the failures of developers, they refuse to be skeptical and are quick to forgive said devs like obedient lap dogs. When it comes to facing even the most rational of criticism that goes as far to involve mathematics, hard statistics, and intuitive analysis, they brush off the
se people as “haters” that are unwilling to “evolve”. Also, any change is a good change, no matter how convoluted, stale, or irritating it makes the gameplay.
The sheeple tend to also hate innovation, a surplus of content, complete releases, competent developers, games that are under 60$, the traditions and culture of gaming, people that are better at them at games, and community empowerment, they see this as a threat to the status quo of the currently over-saturated market. The only innovation to them is conformity and predictability, and the only things allowed to be different between franchises is graphics and setting.
This is how ridiculous, short sighted, and hollow your generalizations sound OP. You should really rebuke our arguements with logic, reason, and hard statistics rather blind demonization. Lead by example, not poorly constructed rants.
Although I do agree with some of your points. Many of your arguments are hasty generalizations and do not really represent more than a minority of people on here. Your over all prose is a big unconstructive post. No matter how much I may agree with some of the points.
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> Still don’t see what was so wrong with Halo 4s multiplayer, other a few things that bugged me here and there. I loved Halo 4.
Halo 4 brought a crap ton of random new features that I believe 343i was really using as a testing basis for future games. Once the community spat on them and rejected many of the features they removed so much and created what we see now in the MCC. Even better what we see in H5. I think 343i as a new company is still trying to get its foot in the door, and that is really hard to do amidst hate and even people that are too optimistic, as those people are not looking critically at the games that are being developed. It is more sensical to play a middle ground and be rational yet understanding even when you have strong opinions. I find myself sometimes breaking that line in either direction but overall I try to stay in the middle.
A very will written post, I agree with you on a lot of the things you brought up. I my self cannot wait for halo 5 to be released to actually play it and have fun instead of reading posts about sprint and splitscreen and microtransactions.
