The "Truth" about Casual vs Competitve.

Games Other Halo
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Yes there is a deiffrence. Yet not a bad to good one. Because each contributes something good to the Halo community and collective. Yet sometimes bad folks ruin it for the better ones. So I’ll try to generalize the two in easy ways.

Competitive
This is your MLG, BR, DMR, but generally the type of folks who try there hardest. Sometimes they will have clans, teams, and tactics. They for the most part prefer Team Slayer, MLG, sometimes SWAT, Snipers.

That’s about as easy as you can get for a meaning to the word. Overall players who are pinned to the objective. Which is important, Without this ideal of playing Halo would not last long.

The Good Kind
The good competive player, MLG or Not. Is the kind of folk you like to play Slayer with. They understand the game, use good language, sportsmanship. These folks want a balanced and skilled Halo game. They are the “Left Brains” of Halo. Yet infact still know how to just play a game. Winning is important, But not the only thing. An important part of Halo. They reason, which is good. Players like this are great.

The Bad Kind
You know them, we all do. These are the people who think having 'Xo" and “MLG” or some clan tag automatically makes them good (No offense to clans or MLG). They only care about the K/D, Winning, And could care less about other players. They are the kind of brat who will team kill you for a Sniper Rifle, Or take a warthog with no gunner to go “kill da enemies”. These players annoy people, a lot. ANd there arrogance and ignorance gives the competive crowd a terrible name.

Casual

This is your more “fun” oriented crowd of folks. The kind of people who like Big Team Battle, Invasion, Race, Action Sack. They still care about winning yet mostly as long as they have some fun moment to laugh about. These would be your folks who glitched out of Halo 2 maps. Yet sometimes that can lead to some cheap playing. Balance and skill is a good thing to these folks, But it’s more about the sandbox, then the fairness.

The Good Kind
The good casual player is the one who forges awesome maps. Who makes Zombie games, Big vehicle maps, Forge Art and race tracks. In Halo 2 they would be the folks who did zombies and TOP. They are the sugar of Halo, Maybe there games may not be totally skilled/balanced (up to opinion). Yet they add a lot to Halo. The “Right” brains of Halo.

The Bad Kind

The Bad kind of these are nearly the same as the Competive bad folks. They are overly arrogant, ignorant in there effords. A little more rare to find, yet I’ve seen many. These would be the kind of people who glitch and cheat mostly, Team killers, De-rankers. And people who go into matches to “be stupid”. The annoying kid who takes a warthog and runs over 2 of his team mates. Because to him “it’s just a game lol”.

So…

The two together are needed for an effective gameplay. If you were to take out Competitive mentality of Halo you would have a mess of randomless, It would be fun for sure, but no pepper to spice up the thing. Without the Casual mentality you would have a black and white bland mess of no variety. Either way it would suck.

What people need to realize you want the BEST of both types and you want to get rid of the BAD from each. Because if you go with the Good of each you’re talking about the perfect balance and variety. However if you try to just go with one, or the bad then Halo 4 will fail.

SLAM

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I guess i’m competitive but why is the post in Halo 4?

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Because it related to the Halo 4’s future and what people want or need.

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I’m glad to think I’m the Good Competitive Kind.

:slight_smile:

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I’m a casual competetive player haha. I am pretty bad to be honest, but I still want to win and try hard. I always play (mostly) Team Slayer as well. I just prefer hopping on with 3 friends and playing some multiplayer. But I wouldn’t consider my self casual.

But good post OP.

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> I guess i’m competitive but why is the post in Halo 4?

The Competitive community is often shunned here, hence why I rarely post.

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i guess i´m on the good side of the competitive, although i sometimes go alone to flank enemies and such things. but never betrayed no one for a power weapon, that´s just plain stupid. and I AM THE POWER WEAPON!!!

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You get good and bad players in every multiplayer game you just have to deal with it. Play with a group of friends

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> > I guess i’m competitive but why is the post in Halo 4?
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> The Competitive community is often shunned here, hence why I rarely post.

Really? Every other thread is a complaint about how halo 4 might not be competitive enough.

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Not much of a Multiplayer lover , so maybe the Casual good kind without the Forge thing though…

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> > > I guess i’m competitive but why is the post in Halo 4?
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> Really? Every other thread is a complaint about how halo 4 might not be competitive enough.

You must have missed the threads about MLG where 90% of the replies boil down to, “Screw MLG and those competitive types!”.

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There’s a good kind of casual? That’s news to me.

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Saaaaaaaays the bad kind of competitive…

Yeah, this thread is going no where fast.

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Well I’m not competitive. I try to win each match obviously but if the other team plays fair it’s not a big deal if I lose, had fun.

I loathe “casual” games though. So you could say I’m casually hardcore. Play hardcore games casually.

I don’t wanna -Yoink- around with clans and leaderboards and scrims and special mlg settings and -Yoink-. I just wanna jump in with some random dudes and have fun. And IMHO the most fun is when teams are equally matched and the game is close.

Which is why I really enjoyed Halo 3’s ranked matches, not for any competitive purpose, but for the sole fact that the more stable TrueSkill system seemed to make some really good matchups. It was always exciting ranking up and going up against increasingly skilled opponents. The matches would always be close, you would always know who to look out for, always know what to expect for the outcome. You wouldn’t ever be mauled by that one high level guy on the other team because it would always balance it out with another high level on your team.

You could just casually jump in and have a ton of fun without having to deal in particular with imbalanced teams, herds of oblivious noobs or clans or strategies or anything. Interestingly the “competitive” features made it more fun to play casually.

I only wish it had more elaborate game modes such as BTB or oddball or something crazy like that. There was too much focus on “arena” style modes IMHO. As much as I love team doubles, need a little variety. Social playlists are completely -Yoink- though.

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Casuals are the future, whether they’re “good” or “bad” is irrelevant.

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> Casuals are the future, whether they’re “good” or “bad” is irrelevant.

The future? More like the present.

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You could also boil this community down to Conservatives and Liberals.

Most of the time the competitive community wants to go back to the way things were in Halo 2 or 3. They remember that Halo worked and don’t fix what ain’t broken". Competitive players are the conservatives on these forums.

Also, most of the time our less competitive players are liberals. Trying to change the game for better, but not reverting to what we used to be.

Technically there is nothing wrong with either side of thinking. They each want to make the game better. But more than half the time they but heads on opinions which is why it’s important to compromise. The problem with that is I’ve seen people from each side of the spectrum pissed because the game isn’t COMPLETELY catered to their viewpoint. That’s nonsense though, you can’t cater to one side and expect the game to go anywhere.

What 343i has effectively done is compromised. They have brought back Halo 3 movement and jump height mechanics, and they’ve brought back AA’s and other things. They’ve even added more stuff to the mix (like drop pods for weapon spawning). Well maybe people don’t want to play a mix of all these new features, well this is where 343i can compromise again. They can create more “classic” playlists in order to cater to the competitive crowd, but then some of the “conservatives” feel betrayed. Why a classic playlist? Why can’t the normal game just be all classic and have a “new feature” playlist? See . . . I could put my money on the fact that coming up with a Halo game that both sides will like would be more difficult than our founding fathers (Americans only) coming up with the US Constitution . . .

Sides need to learn compromise. Nothing will be completely catered to them.

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Halo lost track of what it wanted to be after Halo 2. Halo 2 was going to be bigger and badder and better. Halo 3 and onward just kept cloning Halo 2 over and over instead of making it better.

Halo 4 will clone it again, except this time change everything around for no reason. Which is never going to make anything better.

Iterative development killed good games.

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I think the real problem is that many feel that you can’t be both. It’s no more true that competitive players only care about winning than that casual players don’t.

Look, any game where they keep score is competitive. Like it or not, realize it or not, every game in matchmaking is a competition. So, even if you are a casual player you are still fundamentally competitive, if you do in fact play and not just AFK.

The fighting start when competitive players accuse casual players of not understanding the game and casual players accuse competitive players only wanting an MLG style of game.

I fall squarely in the casual definition and I have done my share of arguing with competitive players in these forums. Although I often disagree with some of their viewpoints, I really do understand their positions (usually). I like to think that I do my arguing with the ones on the fringe because I would like to believe that the majority of competitive players are at least willing to compromise to some degree. While I don’t agree with everything the hardcore competitive likes, I’ll still play Halo 4 if they get everything they want. I’ll just come here and -Yoink- about it.

Besides, once the marketplace proves me right they’ll take all that stuff out anyway :wink:

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I think I’m a mixture of the good competitive player and casual according to your post…