> Thats a limb?
Arm (or arms) and legs. And if the timeless one is mechanical then it would explain why we saw a mechanical body in the concept art trailer.
> > Thats a limb?
>
> Arm (or arms) and legs. And if the timeless one is mechanical then it would explain why we saw a mechanical body in the concept art trailer.
Exactly what I’m getting at.
> I was the one who posted it on Bungie.net…
Fantastic thought process. I like it. Very sound theorem.
> > I was the one who posted it on Bungie.net…
>
> Fantastic thought process. I like it. Very sound theorem.
Thank you.
> In an effort to search for a quote that anton so desperately needed me to surface, I was sidetracked, like usual. I came across very interesting information regarding the Timeless One. TO is not who it says it is, as Greg Bear hinted at. The Timeless One is not the last Precursor. It was created by the Precursors, possibly one gone wrong. Have a look at these quotes from Halo: Cryptum.
> “Or was it something manufactured by the Precursors- possibly a strange, distorted sibling of both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans? Precursor sibling, or ancestor to … what?”-pg. 276
> “The cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human…”-pg. 277
> “They are out there, waiting…Thousands of years wasted!The solution was lost, Father…Lost!If what the Old Ones made is loose…”-pg. 138
>
> If you look at the quotes from the passage it implies the Timeless One is actually part machine. Kind of like the Engineers that the Forerunners crafted. This also makes a lot of sense regarding how the Timeless One survived the firing of Halo, the Gravemind’s ability to successfully control Installation 05’s teleportation grid, and Gravemind’s ability to hack into Cortana in ‘Human Weakness’, considering Gravemind is the Timeless One. And the Timeless One, well… It could very well be…
It’s all just speculation on the Didact’s part but I still think he’s right. Primordium calls this into question as well when the descriptions says “This journey will take them into the Palace of Pain, the domain of a powerful and monstrous intelligence who claims to be the Last Precursor, and who now has control of both this Halo and the fate of Forerunners and Humans alike.”
I don’t necessarily believe that that last picture is the Timeless One however. I believe that the Timeless One is the master of the Flood and the Gravemind is nothing more than a conduit through which the Timeless One speaks. At the End of Halo 3 the Flood were brought back under control. The Gravemind was killed as well as his forces and although Flood still exist in research facilities and what not, they’re still now contained and no longer a threat.
This leads me to believe that if the Timeless One used the Graveminds as a voice, then he himself is hiding somewhere and we are going to be teaming up with the Forerunner to find him. But since the Flood are no longer a threat, the Timeless One must now use a different puppet species as his army and the Creature/Machine/Thing we see in that picture is now that puppet enemy which replaces the Flood.
You forgot the outbreak on installion 05
> You forgot the outbreak on installion 05
… what do you mean? The flood on the installation obviously has something to do with either standard quarantine like Installation 04, or The Palace of Pain.
The flood broke all containment on Installion 05 from the lower levels to the index room. Then they attack high charity.
The flood found a way through most containment systems. Halo wars showed that the flood can get passed containment systems of a Shield world
The flood are still an active threat and so are their creators
> The flood broke all containment on Installion 05 from the lower levels to the index room. Then they attack high charity.
> The flood found a way through most containment systems. Halo wars showed that the flood can get passed containment systems of a Shield world
> The flood are still an active threat and so are their creators
…yes…?
> The flood broke all containment on Installion 05 from the lower levels to the index room. Then they attack high charity.
> The flood found a way through most containment systems. Halo wars showed that the flood can get passed containment systems of a Shield world
> The flood are still an active threat and so are their creators
The Flood only escape when the Covenant breaks them out on accident or when Monitors are negligent. The first Flood shown when the Spirit of Fire drops out of Slipspace was an Elite Flood Form. They accessed areas they should have been and got assimilated. As for Installation 05, 2401 Penitent Tangent failed to keep up on maintenance. It was warned that the Flood could escape but for some reason he ignored the warnings.
> > In an effort to search for a quote that anton so desperately needed me to surface, I was sidetracked, like usual. I came across very interesting information regarding the Timeless One. TO is not who it says it is, as Greg Bear hinted at. The Timeless One is not the last Precursor. It was created by the Precursors, possibly one gone wrong. Have a look at these quotes from Halo: Cryptum.
> > “Or was it something manufactured by the Precursors- possibly a strange, distorted sibling of both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans? Precursor sibling, or ancestor to … what?”-pg. 276
> > “The cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human…”-pg. 277
> > “They are out there, waiting…Thousands of years wasted!The solution was lost, Father…Lost!If what the Old Ones made is loose…”-pg. 138
> >
> > If you look at the quotes from the passage it implies the Timeless One is actually part machine. Kind of like the Engineers that the Forerunners crafted. This also makes a lot of sense regarding how the Timeless One survived the firing of Halo, the Gravemind’s ability to successfully control Installation 05’s teleportation grid, and Gravemind’s ability to hack into Cortana in ‘Human Weakness’, considering Gravemind is the Timeless One. And the Timeless One, well… It could very well be…
>
> It’s all just speculation on the Didact’s part but I still think he’s right. Primordium calls this into question as well when the descriptions says “This journey will take them into the Palace of Pain, the domain of a powerful and monstrous intelligence who claims to be the Last Precursor, and who now has control of both this Halo and the fate of Forerunners and Humans alike.”
>
> I don’t necessarily believe that that last picture is the Timeless One however. I believe that the Timeless One is the master of the Flood and the Gravemind is nothing more than a conduit through which the Timeless One speaks. At the End of Halo 3 the Flood were brought back under control. The Gravemind was killed as well as his forces and although Flood still exist in research facilities and what not, they’re still now contained and no longer a threat.
>
> This leads me to believe that if the Timeless One used the Graveminds as a voice, then he himself is hiding somewhere and we are going to be teaming up with the Forerunner to find him. But since the Flood are no longer a threat, the Timeless One must now use a different puppet species as his army and the Creature/Machine/Thing we see in that picture is now that puppet enemy which replaces the Flood.
An antenna (The Plan) that controls an antenna (The Timeless one) that controls an antenna (The Gravemind) that controls the flood. This would make sense, I mean remember the Halo 4 panel, where it showed “impossible structures” and then it asked the question “But do these sentinels carry signs of peace… or warning?”
I’m starting to think that the world that we saw in the Halo 4 concept art trailer is sorta like a Prison. After all look at “The Maw” it looks like a huge gate.
The Player controls the king who in turn controls the knights of which controls the pawns.
> > > In an effort to search for a quote that anton so desperately needed me to surface, I was sidetracked, like usual. I came across very interesting information regarding the Timeless One. TO is not who it says it is, as Greg Bear hinted at. The Timeless One is not the last Precursor. It was created by the Precursors, possibly one gone wrong. Have a look at these quotes from Halo: Cryptum.
> > > “Or was it something manufactured by the Precursors- possibly a strange, distorted sibling of both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans? Precursor sibling, or ancestor to … what?”-pg. 276
> > > “The cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human…”-pg. 277
> > > “They are out there, waiting…Thousands of years wasted!The solution was lost, Father…Lost!If what the Old Ones made is loose…”-pg. 138
> > >
> > > If you look at the quotes from the passage it implies the Timeless One is actually part machine. Kind of like the Engineers that the Forerunners crafted. This also makes a lot of sense regarding how the Timeless One survived the firing of Halo, the Gravemind’s ability to successfully control Installation 05’s teleportation grid, and Gravemind’s ability to hack into Cortana in ‘Human Weakness’, considering Gravemind is the Timeless One. And the Timeless One, well… It could very well be…
> >
> > It’s all just speculation on the Didact’s part but I still think he’s right. Primordium calls this into question as well when the descriptions says “This journey will take them into the Palace of Pain, the domain of a powerful and monstrous intelligence who claims to be the Last Precursor, and who now has control of both this Halo and the fate of Forerunners and Humans alike.”
> >
> > I don’t necessarily believe that that last picture is the Timeless One however. I believe that the Timeless One is the master of the Flood and the Gravemind is nothing more than a conduit through which the Timeless One speaks. At the End of Halo 3 the Flood were brought back under control. The Gravemind was killed as well as his forces and although Flood still exist in research facilities and what not, they’re still now contained and no longer a threat.
> >
> > This leads me to believe that if the Timeless One used the Graveminds as a voice, then he himself is hiding somewhere and we are going to be teaming up with the Forerunner to find him. But since the Flood are no longer a threat, the Timeless One must now use a different puppet species as his army and the Creature/Machine/Thing we see in that picture is now that puppet enemy which replaces the Flood.
>
> An antenna (The Plan) that controls an antenna (The Timeless one) that controls an antenna (The Gravemind) that controls the flood. This would make sense, I mean remember the Halo 4 panel, where it showed “impossible structures” and then it asked the question “But do these sentinels carry signs of peace… or warning?”
>
> I’m starting to think that the world that we saw in the Halo 4 concept art trailer is sorta like a Prison. After all look at “The Maw” it looks like a huge gate.
>
> The Player controls the king who in turn controls the knights of which controls the pawns.
The Timeless One is the Gravemind.
> > > > In an effort to search for a quote that anton so desperately needed me to surface, I was sidetracked, like usual. I came across very interesting information regarding the Timeless One. TO is not who it says it is, as Greg Bear hinted at. The Timeless One is not the last Precursor. It was created by the Precursors, possibly one gone wrong. Have a look at these quotes from Halo: Cryptum.
> > > > “Or was it something manufactured by the Precursors- possibly a strange, distorted sibling of both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans? Precursor sibling, or ancestor to … what?”-pg. 276
> > > > “The cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human…”-pg. 277
> > > > “They are out there, waiting…Thousands of years wasted!The solution was lost, Father…Lost!If what the Old Ones made is loose…”-pg. 138
> > > >
> > > > If you look at the quotes from the passage it implies the Timeless One is actually part machine. Kind of like the Engineers that the Forerunners crafted. This also makes a lot of sense regarding how the Timeless One survived the firing of Halo, the Gravemind’s ability to successfully control Installation 05’s teleportation grid, and Gravemind’s ability to hack into Cortana in ‘Human Weakness’, considering Gravemind is the Timeless One. And the Timeless One, well… It could very well be…
> > >
> > > It’s all just speculation on the Didact’s part but I still think he’s right. Primordium calls this into question as well when the descriptions says “This journey will take them into the Palace of Pain, the domain of a powerful and monstrous intelligence who claims to be the Last Precursor, and who now has control of both this Halo and the fate of Forerunners and Humans alike.”
> > >
> > > I don’t necessarily believe that that last picture is the Timeless One however. I believe that the Timeless One is the master of the Flood and the Gravemind is nothing more than a conduit through which the Timeless One speaks. At the End of Halo 3 the Flood were brought back under control. The Gravemind was killed as well as his forces and although Flood still exist in research facilities and what not, they’re still now contained and no longer a threat.
> > >
> > > This leads me to believe that if the Timeless One used the Graveminds as a voice, then he himself is hiding somewhere and we are going to be teaming up with the Forerunner to find him. But since the Flood are no longer a threat, the Timeless One must now use a different puppet species as his army and the Creature/Machine/Thing we see in that picture is now that puppet enemy which replaces the Flood.
> >
> > An antenna (The Plan) that controls an antenna (The Timeless one) that controls an antenna (The Gravemind) that controls the flood. This would make sense, I mean remember the Halo 4 panel, where it showed “impossible structures” and then it asked the question “But do these sentinels carry signs of peace… or warning?”
> >
> > I’m starting to think that the world that we saw in the Halo 4 concept art trailer is sorta like a Prison. After all look at “The Maw” it looks like a huge gate.
> >
> > The Player controls the king who in turn controls the knights of which controls the pawns.
>
> The Timeless One is the Gravemind.
The one that we saw in Halo 2?
There’s no concrete proof of the Timeless One being a Gravemind. It’s all speculation and theories. Even the Didact speculated what it was in Cryptum. Much like how the Covenant view the Forerunners, the Forerunners viewed the Precursors just as enigmatically. For the most part, most of the Forerunner ecumene didn’t know that the Forerunners were created by the Precursors and their ancestors rose up and destroyed their makers. The only thing the Forerunners have left is the Mantle and the Precursor ruins.
“We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand.” - The Timeless One to the Didact.
Whether this was the insane ramblings of the Timeless One or the truth, we won’t find out until Primordium or until the final novel.
The Prisoner was described as being at least 15 meters tall, 11 meters wide, vaguely humanoid, with four arms, each hand had three fingers and a central opposable thumb, two legs, and insectoid head like an eurypterid with a long segmented “tail” ending in a meter-long barb attached to the base of it’s skull.
Now, I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like any Gravemind we’ve encountered or heard of.
> There’s no concrete proof of the Timeless One being a Gravemind.
When Mendicant Bias tested Installation 05, his installation, in the Charum Harkkor system, the ring’s pulse destroyed every Precursor structure on the planet, including the Timeless One’s Arena. The Timeless One was then taken to Bias’ Installation for study; Both Delta Halo and Mendicant Bias disappeared soon after, not to return for 43 years. This occurred the exact same time Bias was first sent to converse with the Gravemind for 43 years. Later during the Forerunner Flood War, The Timeless One used the Palace Of Pain as his stronghold, located on Installation 05, Mendicant’s Ring.
Bias spoke with the Gravemind for 43 years before turning itself rampant, (Much like the humans who communicated with the Timeless One who committed suicide.) And defecting to the Flood. After doing so, Bias claimed to serve a “new master”. As the test at Charum Harkkor, the release of the prisoner, the communication and rampancy timeline match exactly. It is almost impossible for this new master to not be the Gravemind/the Timeless One.
> > > > > In an effort to search for a quote that anton so desperately needed me to surface, I was sidetracked, like usual. I came across very interesting information regarding the Timeless One. TO is not who it says it is, as Greg Bear hinted at. The Timeless One is not the last Precursor. It was created by the Precursors, possibly one gone wrong. Have a look at these quotes from Halo: Cryptum.
> > > > > “Or was it something manufactured by the Precursors- possibly a strange, distorted sibling of both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans? Precursor sibling, or ancestor to … what?”-pg. 276
> > > > > “The cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human…”-pg. 277
> > > > > “They are out there, waiting…Thousands of years wasted!The solution was lost, Father…Lost!If what the Old Ones made is loose…”-pg. 138
> > > > >
> > > > > If you look at the quotes from the passage it implies the Timeless One is actually part machine. Kind of like the Engineers that the Forerunners crafted. This also makes a lot of sense regarding how the Timeless One survived the firing of Halo, the Gravemind’s ability to successfully control Installation 05’s teleportation grid, and Gravemind’s ability to hack into Cortana in ‘Human Weakness’, considering Gravemind is the Timeless One. And the Timeless One, well… It could very well be…
> > > >
> > > > It’s all just speculation on the Didact’s part but I still think he’s right. Primordium calls this into question as well when the descriptions says “This journey will take them into the Palace of Pain, the domain of a powerful and monstrous intelligence who claims to be the Last Precursor, and who now has control of both this Halo and the fate of Forerunners and Humans alike.”
> > > >
> > > > I don’t necessarily believe that that last picture is the Timeless One however. I believe that the Timeless One is the master of the Flood and the Gravemind is nothing more than a conduit through which the Timeless One speaks. At the End of Halo 3 the Flood were brought back under control. The Gravemind was killed as well as his forces and although Flood still exist in research facilities and what not, they’re still now contained and no longer a threat.
> > > >
> > > > This leads me to believe that if the Timeless One used the Graveminds as a voice, then he himself is hiding somewhere and we are going to be teaming up with the Forerunner to find him. But since the Flood are no longer a threat, the Timeless One must now use a different puppet species as his army and the Creature/Machine/Thing we see in that picture is now that puppet enemy which replaces the Flood.
> > >
> > > An antenna (The Plan) that controls an antenna (The Timeless one) that controls an antenna (The Gravemind) that controls the flood. This would make sense, I mean remember the Halo 4 panel, where it showed “impossible structures” and then it asked the question “But do these sentinels carry signs of peace… or warning?”
> > >
> > > I’m starting to think that the world that we saw in the Halo 4 concept art trailer is sorta like a Prison. After all look at “The Maw” it looks like a huge gate.
> > >
> > > The Player controls the king who in turn controls the knights of which controls the pawns.
> >
> > The Timeless One is the Gravemind.
>
> The one that we saw in Halo 2?
Yes.
> There’s no concrete proof of the Timeless One being a Gravemind. It’s all speculation and theories. Even the Didact speculated what it was in Cryptum. Much like how the Covenant view the Forerunners, the Forerunners viewed the Precursors just as enigmatically. For the most part, most of the Forerunner ecumene didn’t know that the Forerunners were created by the Precursors and their ancestors rose up and destroyed their makers. The only thing the Forerunners have left is the Mantle and the Precursor ruins.
>
> “We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand.” - The Timeless One to the Didact.
>
> Whether this was the insane ramblings of the Timeless One or the truth, we won’t find out until Primordium or until the final novel.
>
> The Prisoner was described as being at least 15 meters tall, 11 meters wide, vaguely humanoid, with four arms, each hand had three fingers and a central opposable thumb, two legs, and insectoid head like an eurypterid with a long segmented “tail” ending in a meter-long barb attached to the base of it’s skull.
>
> Now, I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like any Gravemind we’ve encountered or heard of.
The Gravemind’s body is immaterial. He is shown existing without one in Halo 3 when he communicates with the Chief after his body was destroyed in High Charity. A Gravemind is physically made up of dead bodies anyways so the description of the Timeless One is unnecessary. What I was theorizing is that the Timeless One has Mental or Psychic control over the Flood. The Graveminds are nothing more than an Avatar for the Timeless One to communicate through. This is why he can still exist even when the Gravemind is “killed”.
This leaves us with the question of “Where is the Timeless One hiding?”
> > In an effort to search for a quote that anton so desperately needed me to surface, I was sidetracked, like usual. I came across very interesting information regarding the Timeless One. TO is not who it says it is, as Greg Bear hinted at. The Timeless One is not the last Precursor. It was created by the Precursors, possibly one gone wrong. Have a look at these quotes from Halo: Cryptum.
> > “Or was it something manufactured by the Precursors- possibly a strange, distorted sibling of both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans? Precursor sibling, or ancestor to … what?”-pg. 276
> > “The cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human…”-pg. 277
> > “They are out there, waiting…Thousands of years wasted!The solution was lost, Father…Lost!If what the Old Ones made is loose…”-pg. 138
> >
> > If you look at the quotes from the passage it implies the Timeless One is actually part machine. Kind of like the Engineers that the Forerunners crafted. This also makes a lot of sense regarding how the Timeless One survived the firing of Halo, the Gravemind’s ability to successfully control Installation 05’s teleportation grid, and Gravemind’s ability to hack into Cortana in ‘Human Weakness’, considering Gravemind is the Timeless One. And the Timeless One, well… It could very well be…
>
> Did you steal this off B.net? Its there tooo…
screw B.net
> There’s no concrete proof of the Timeless One being a Gravemind. It’s all speculation and theories. Even the Didact speculated what it was in Cryptum. Much like how the Covenant view the Forerunners, the Forerunners viewed the Precursors just as enigmatically. For the most part, most of the Forerunner ecumene didn’t know that the Forerunners were created by the Precursors and their ancestors rose up and destroyed their makers. The only thing the Forerunners have left is the Mantle and the Precursor ruins.
>
> “We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand.” - The Timeless One to the Didact.
>
> Whether this was the insane ramblings of the Timeless One or the truth, we won’t find out until Primordium or until the final novel.
>
> The Prisoner was described as being at least 15 meters tall, 11 meters wide, vaguely humanoid, with four arms, each hand had three fingers and a central opposable thumb, two legs, and insectoid head like an eurypterid with a long segmented “tail” ending in a meter-long barb attached to the base of it’s skull.
>
> Now, I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like any Gravemind we’ve encountered or heard of.
The only thing i could say resembles the Gravemind in that description is the creatures gargantuan head, if you think about it the Gravemind does resemble the description just engulfed in a suite of rotting flesh and flood bio-mass.
> > There’s no concrete proof of the Timeless One being a Gravemind. It’s all speculation and theories. Even the Didact speculated what it was in Cryptum. Much like how the Covenant view the Forerunners, the Forerunners viewed the Precursors just as enigmatically. For the most part, most of the Forerunner ecumene didn’t know that the Forerunners were created by the Precursors and their ancestors rose up and destroyed their makers. The only thing the Forerunners have left is the Mantle and the Precursor ruins.
> >
> > “We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand.” - The Timeless One to the Didact.
> >
> > Whether this was the insane ramblings of the Timeless One or the truth, we won’t find out until Primordium or until the final novel.
> >
> > The Prisoner was described as being at least 15 meters tall, 11 meters wide, vaguely humanoid, with four arms, each hand had three fingers and a central opposable thumb, two legs, and insectoid head like an eurypterid with a long segmented “tail” ending in a meter-long barb attached to the base of it’s skull.
> >
> > Now, I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like any Gravemind we’ve encountered or heard of.
>
> The Gravemind’s body is immaterial. He is shown existing without one in Halo 3 when he communicates with the Chief after his body was destroyed in High Charity. A Gravemind is physically made up of dead bodies anyways so the description of the Timeless One is unnecessary. What I was theorizing is that the Timeless One has Mental or Psychic control over the Flood. The Graveminds are nothing more than an Avatar for the Timeless One to communicate through. This is why he can Yoink!ill exist even when the Gravemind is “killed”.
>
> This leaves us with the question of “Where is the Timeless One hiding?”
That’s what I though I always wonder if the Timeless one was truly unrelated to the flood then it might be a physiological bond that keeps the flood in control but that is were the argument of the Timeless one being part mechanical comes in and would explain why when the Timeless one came into contact with mendicant bias, mendicant bias was easily corrupted and mendicant bias was basically a forerunner in mechanical form so it would have been nearly impossible for anything biological to corrupt him.
It would also explain why the Graveming knows so much because when he says “I have listed through time and metal and rock” that suggests that he has been around for million and millions of years but even then a halo ring was fired before destroying that Gravemind of old who fought with the forerunners and humans so surely this one should be new in intelligence … unless there is a fully intact mind controlling the Gaveminds and using them as an avatar to make contact with things across solar systems ( sorry who ever I stole the avatar thing from) . The Gravemind also says " I am the monument to all your sins" a judgment given to the forerunners for their tribulations against the precursors and everybody thinks the chief is a forerunner so it would explain why he said it.