The State of Custom Games and Forge

Let me start by saying that I am very pleased with Halo 4. It is so polished and balanced in its gameplay; the multiplayer is amazing, and the campaign/spartan ops are great fun with very well written stories. My problem is that some of my favorite aspects of the Halo franchise seem to be downgraded from previous games.

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Custom Games
When I first played Halo on launch day (not bragging, well maybe a little) I went straight to Campaign and enjoyed myself, followed by multiplayer.

When I got to the Custom Games, testing them in split screen, I was disappointed.

Lack of Customizability (is that a word?)
One of the best things about Halo is the Custom Gametypes. These are severely limited compared to Halo Reach.

I’m not saying Reach was better, but I would like the freedom to be as creative as people were in Reach but with the new gameplay. The lack of AA (armor abilities) adjustment and lack of control over objectives is a bit of a let down.

Flood Mode

Some of the best mini-games and gametypes came from customizing Infection. Don’t get me wrong, I love flood mode, but I would like the ability to create a variant where I could choose whether or not the zombies were using the flood model, or a spartan model with customizable appearance, a la every halo since 2.

The inability to play or re-create any of Darth Human’s most popular gametypes, is a major blow to the community. One of the biggest motivations for Forging was to create your own mini-game. I would like to see the return of the customization options from halo 3 and halo reach for infection.

Forge Mode

I love the new additions, and the maps to forge on are great, but the space is too limited.

The Pros of Forge World

Forge in Reach may have gotten a little stale near the end, but the variety in maps and games created was enormous.

Although Forge World was the only real way to Forge on Reach, it had variety in landscape and size. Size does matter (in Forge, well, and other things too…)

Without enough space, how are people going to create or recreate BTB or great puzzle maps? These things are in fact the life of Halo. When all of the maps get stale, the only thing carrying the life of a game, is the community, and in Halo, the community’s creations.

> For an in depth look at the current state of Forge, check out this thread, by the user: Eshcka.

More people play Custom Games than Online, and more Custom Games are played. Limiting this, is limiting the game.

The Race Dilemma

Race gets its own section for its importance.

Race has been popular since Halo started, with people racing in the campaigns and creating mods for racing gametypes/maps. Halo 3 had VIP which alowed for the creation of great gametypes like Pirates. However, Rocket Race and a more traditional Race mode were spawned from it in much the same way Duck Hunt came from infection or Grifball came from assault (VIP, infection variation, and assault are all gone now too, along with their mini-games)

Halo 3 and Reach saw most of its greatest forge creations designed for the Race mode. Now, a whole community of Racers are abandoned and a subsection of the Forge community and the custom game maker community are abandoned as well.

A lot of people have no “want” to forge anymore, without being able to forge race tracks. That being said, it is almost impossible to make a track now without the “structures” section of forge items available on most maps and a lack of any actual forging space on the supposed “Forge” maps.

343i took out one of the most fun games and biggest incentives to play other modes like forge and customs. Big, and I mean, Huge, mistake. Really…what were they thinking?

> edit:
> Powerups
> It has been brought to my attention that a staple in the franchise: powerups, are no longer available to forge with. So many great and popular (especially fun) modes were made with the Custom Powerup and Camo especially.
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> The custom powerup allowed for much diversity and evolution within a game of Customs. Camo (and its edittability // not a word, I checked) also allowed for creative users to make truly fun modes.
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> They do not even need to be in matchmaking, but why taking them away completely? Just makes no sense!
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> <em>*thank you xxB3ARC1AWxx for this info (see page 3)</em>

Solutions

Custom Games
We know its possible to add in these features (How Insane gametypes were added into Reach, as well as CTF+SLayer combo. Which would be nice to return…hint, hint)

People even say its already planned to make more additions to the custom games options in the near future. I am just saying that Halo 4 will need these things back in it, or else it won’t last as long.

Forge
The new Forge additions are great, and amazing, but all of the forge creations will never reach their previous glory without the return of custom game options or a blank slate to forge on.

Perhaps a DLC map with more open space to allow people to recreate some of the best maps, or let their imagination and creativity to break new grounds. 343’s reputation will be better off for it. Could be Sandtrap/Sandbox-ish themed, UNSC themed (foundry) Snow themed or even another forge world. Just flat ground or no ground but a lot of air space is needed for this game to survive. The 3 forge maps we have now are great too, just limited in their possibilities.

Conclusion
The reply is a tl;dr

This is not a list of demands, this is a list of hopes and dreams to make this brilliant game stand the test of time. This would be the best Halo ever if it had the replayability of previous games.

More freedom in a forge environment and the return of the customization options we’ve all come to know and love.

That is as much a part of Halo as Master Chief and Cortana

Note: If you want the details, read the above post please. Thank You for your time.

TL;DR

Custom Games don’t have the same amount of options as previous games (especially Flood Mode)

Forge needs a more spacious environment for the bigger or more creative Maps.

Forge also needs the customization in Custom Gametypes to be able to motivate the creation of mini-games.

Gametypes need to return, the really NEED to for 343i’s sake.

Sequels are supposed to be better or at least not more lacking than previous games. Instead of adding, they only took away great features. That is insanely stupid from every stand point.

In fact, many people expected much more innovation and advancements in the Forge maps before Halo 4. Some ideas many people had were gathered in a previous post I had on Halo Reach. (That’s what we were seeing as the next step UP from Halo Reach, instead we got a step DOWN…and a big one)

I think, personally, that Forge is the longevity of Halo.

Without these, the game’s life-span will be hindered greatly.

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Yes please 343, give us the option to turn the flood model off so the zombies can use different weapons, other than the flood-stick.

Don’t get me wrong the addition of the flood model is awesome and players have been requesting it for years but not giving us the option to make zombies start with other weapons will seriously hurt the custom games community.

No custom games like Predator, duck hunt, and jenga (just to name a few) really sucks. I hope you guys realize that, infection was more than just zombies vs. survivors. More liberal custom games options will seriously improve the longevity of your game (look at Halo 3 for example)

There’s already a thread about this that’s picked up some momentum.

Keeping Custom Game-related complaints clustered there might be helpful. If anyone feels like contacting the devs, it’ll be easier and more effective to send one link to one thread.

I actually just was reading that haha. Oh well, this way the forge community can talk about any woes they have too, since Forge + Custom Games go hand in hand.

Forge is what kept Halo going in the past. Without it, the game will get stale quickly. Halo 3 and Reach still aren’t stale because of Forge and Customs.

> Forge is what kept Halo going in the past. Without it, the game will get stale quickly. Halo 3 and Reach still aren’t stale because of Forge and Customs.

I agree, forge is one of the best things about Halo. While we’re at it, we should ask 343i to address the topic of integrating community maps into Matchmaking, because some of the maps are showing up a lot more than others, which is going to make things stale even faster.

I want this game to last longer!

https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst135355_Forge-Custom-Games-Issues-Suggestion-thread.aspx

Post here and add to the list with your great points!

> https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst135355_Forge-Custom-Games-Issues-Suggestion-thread.aspx
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> Post here and add to the list with your great points!

I just posted a link to this thread. I thought it would be a little ridiculous to repost this whole op, since its so huge.

> https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst135355_Forge-Custom-Games-Issues-Suggestion-thread.aspx
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> Post here and add to the list with your great points!

Its possible that 343i won’t take too kindly to that kind of tone though. We need to make sure we stay civil and respectful if we really want these kinds of changes/fixes to be made.

I completely agree with everything you posted.

> > https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst135355_Forge-Custom-Games-Issues-Suggestion-thread.aspx
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> > Post here and add to the list with your great points!
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> Its possible that 343i won’t take too kindly to that kind of tone though. We need to make sure we stay civil and respectful if we really want these kinds of changes/fixes to be made.

Agreed. These are too important of things to not happen because of a less than favorable tone.

> I completely agree with everything you posted.

Let’s just hope 343i has the same thought…if they even see this or posts like it…

I thoroughly agree with this thread.

Give us a blank forge canvas please 343!
And return the gametypes you brutally sent to the slaughter house!

> > I completely agree with everything you posted.
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> Let’s just hope 343i has the same thought…if they even see this or posts like it…

They’ll see it even if I have to post extremely productive replies every single time it moves off the front page. This is far more important than the usual whining that goes on; this is actually a serious problem which I’d really like to see resolved. Read my detailed post that seems to coincide with yours about issues with the Forge maps here: https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst136281_The-Forge-maps-are-unsatisfactory.aspx

i love forge but i want to see them fix it so we can have all are fun custom games back please 343 map the ultimate forge map bring on the creation fun

> > > I completely agree with everything you posted.
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> > Let’s just hope 343i has the same thought…if they even see this or posts like it…
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> They’ll see it even if I have to post extremely productive replies every single time it moves off the front page. This is far more important than the usual whining that goes on; this is actually a serious problem which I’d really like to see resolved. Read my detailed post that seems to coincide with yours about issues with the Forge maps here: https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst136281_The-Forge-maps-are-unsatisfactory.aspx

Exactly, we go from Forge World to 3 barely forgeable maps. I hope the DLC is better in this aspect.

> I thoroughly agree with this thread.
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> Give us a blank forge canvas please 343!
> And return the gametypes you brutally sent to the slaughter house!

Limiting the community is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen a developer make. But there is time to fix it…if they act fast.

If they release a DLC with a Forge World type map or better, I will never doubt 343i again. But, currently, I don’t know if they can really handle the franchise at the moment. This game needs some work.

> If they release a DLC with a Forge World type map or better, I will never doubt 343i again. But, currently, I don’t know if they can really handle the franchise at the moment. This game needs some work.

We need to contact 343i now. End of Story.