The sprint discussion thread

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this have more likes than the thought out and lengthy arguments against sprint? (208 last time I checked).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because the majority of people like sprint and think it should stay.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s an assumption. There is no feasible way to actually know what the actual majority thinks. The only thing we do know about the majority is that their opinions are unknown.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > “But, but… the majority WANTS sprint!”
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a year and a half ago. Find/make one that’s up to date.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Why does it matter when it’s from? We’ve been having this argument for at least four years with the same results. If an “up to date” poll changes anything it’s only because so many anti-sprinters have left (people tend to do that when the devs don’t remove bad game changing mechanics).
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> > > > > > > > > > > Peoples opinions change. Halo 5 has balanced sprint so more people like it now. Also they’ve gotten used to it. That’s why the date matters.
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> > > > > > > > > > People also stop playing the game. For the last four years, the community was much larger and was largely against sprint. The smaller the communtiy gets (as it’s now the smallest it’s ever been since before Halo 3) the more people within it that will like sprint because they’ll soon be the only ones left playing the game. Like I said, keeping a game changing mechanic that people don’t like will push them away. Players having been pushed away doesn’t exactly support your claim of pro-sprinters being the majority.
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> > > > > > > > > So if they stop playing the game/series and aren’t buying anymore, then they should have no impact on how it should turn out. As of right now, the halo community is mainly pro-sprinters. Before, it might’ve been different, but now most of us like sprint.
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> > > > > > > > 343 doesn’t make decision based on what the existing community wants. If they did, they wouldn’t have added sprint when the community was telling them not to for the last four years.
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> > > > > > > Um, yah they do. Not all decisions but definitely a lot. I think of the MoR update, containing infection and reach stuff which the community wanted. I think of BTB, which was supposed to be replaced by warzone until fans yelled at them to put it in the game. I think of firefight, which 343 specifically stated that if people wanted a PvE warzone enough, they’d put it in. I think of them removing ordnance and loadouts, which the community said made it feel too much like CoD. No they don’t make every single decision requested by the community, but community feedback is where a ton of their decisions come from.
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> > > > > > Ok, so why should that not apply to sprint?
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> > > > > Because 343 believes it needs to be in the game to compete with other FPSs. They don’t take ALL the decisions from the community.
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> > > > And they believed wrong and have been proven wrong. So what’s the excuse now?
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> > Overwatch, a game in which only one character can sprint (and is used less than 7% of the time), is consistently in the top 10 and sold pretty damn well which shows that sprint is not nearly as important to people as they think. And Dooms gameplay was praised by most and it obviously lacks sprint.
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> > They think sprint is needed to keep up with the competition, but one of its biggest competitors is played largely by people who don’t even mind not sprinting. So why can that not be the case with Halo?
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> Is it confirmed that people use sprint less than 7% of the time? Also, overwatch is fairly new, so I’m not surprised that it’s in the top 10.
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> As for Doom, if it was so good, it wouldn’t be on the third page, being beat by the mcc, Titanfall, and CoD AW.

The multiplayer is the least accepted. You want to know why? Go read the reviews on steam. PC players are a lot more picky on the games they play, so when they saw Doom had loadouts and no weapons on the map, they stopped. The multiplayer suffered from COD mechanics, just like Halo.

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> > it was fine in reach it was fine in H4 and it is Perfect in H5 people like you could be focusing on other more important problems like REQs which is a big problem and need people pushing to ether get a new system of reform it but no you are going to whine about what is not going to change
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> How on earth was it fine in Reach and Halo 4? It’s nowhere near perfect in Halo 5 as it should not even be in it. Reach started the trend and instead of 343i noticing the complaints and request of removing all the AAs, their tried to improve them and make something more. The biggest problem spring brought was map design and breaking the combat by applying an escape route in every fight. Now people say that your shields don’t recharge when you sprint. Yes, that is true, just run, hide and you’ll be fine.
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> The addictive component in Halo was that the better player almost always won (if the host or lag wasn’t unbearable). Now sprint and thruster give weaker players a chance. A good player doesn’t like the combat being broken or stopped every other fight or making a opponent weak and see him sprint away. And no need to tell me to get good and don’t miss shots. I’m good, was in Halo 3, Reach, 4 and 5.

if its that big of a problem don’t play halo or learn to aim and hit sprinting players i mean come one halo games have had sprint for six years and in halo 5 you cant hit a sprinting player would you rather have evade or jet packs no. like you said in H5 if you sprint and have low health your shields and health won’t recover and reset if you are the better player you would have more health and should be able to chase them but no you are the lazy person who wont chase them because you’d like to sit in a corner and camp. Map design is easier to change then sprinting in the engine so they will most likely fix map design

First of all, read before criticizing.

Games changes, we need to adapt, Halo 5 it´s great, I have of fun, but the back days ended. I´m not in love as Halo 2, Halo 3.
No team Slayer br.
No Mlg play list.
No veto.

JUST ONE or TWO br´s in the map.
I know the games are made to make money not to satisfy fans. After all it´s a business.

I dare to say that half of poblation of H3, Halo Reach, quit HALO.

We want competitive games, we don´t like sprint (people run and hide, before H5, they fight 1 vs 1 with Br, not hiding, not jumping and running with AR, PLASMA RIFFLE)
I´m not saying I´m a pro, just I´m saying this game it´s like COD, BORDERLANDS, ETC.)

The essence of halo has died.

We miss Final boss, Instict, Carbon, etc…

All days gone.

=)

I´m sure that 90% of comments will be against me, but look back days, the emotion to get a 50, THE EMOTION TO 4 SHOT ENEMIES, TO OUT BR ENEMIES. Those emotions lost. .

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> First of all, read before criticizing.
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> Games changes, we need to adapt, Halo 5 it´s great, I have of fun, but the back days ended. I´m not in love as Halo 2, Halo 3.
> No team Slayer br.
> No Mlg play list.
> No veto.
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> JUST ONE or TWO br´s in the map.
> I know the games are made to make money not to satisfy fans. After all it´s a business.
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> I dare to say that half of poblation of H3, Halo Reach, quit HALO.
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> We want competitive games, we don´t like sprint (people run and hide, before H5, they fight 1 vs 1 with Br, not hiding, not jumping and running with AR, PLASMA RIFFLE)
> I´m not saying I´m a pro, just I´m saying this game it´s like COD, BORDERLANDS, ETC.)
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> The essence of halo has died.
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> We miss Final boss, Instict, Carbon, etc…
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> All days gone.
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> I´m sure that 90% of comments will be against me, but look back days, the emotion to get a 50, THE EMOTION TO 4 SHOT ENEMIES, TO OUT BR ENEMIES. Those emotions lost. .

Why are you posting the same post but one thing different?

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> > > > > > > it was fine in reach it was fine in H4 and it is Perfect in H5 people like you could be focusing on other more important problems like REQs which is a big problem and need people pushing to ether get a new system of reform it but no you are going to whine about what is not going to change
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> > > > > > For many of us, sprint is the most pressing issue facing the Halo series.
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> > > > > I swear, sometimes the littlest thing that is not the biggest problem in Halo still is pressured and people aren’t gonna talk about Elites, Customization, Armor, REQs, Art style, and Characters? C’mon people we can handle and can adapt sprint into Halo, but what we need is all is what above me. That’s what Halo needs fix on, not sprint.
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> > > > We’d rather start by fixing the problem that has the most negative effects on the gameplay.
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> > > If you want to take out something negative, just take out Spartan charge since everyone hates it.
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> > Spartan Charge is a by product of sprint. Do you remember double melees?
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This is a double melee.

If there is an infection and grifball playlist, there can and should be a classic/non sprint playlist

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> If there is an infection and grifball playlist, there can and should be a classic/non sprint playlist

yes that should be an option but i think that is available in custom games

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> I think that would be the worst idea in my opinion. Think about it. if they made the maps they make in warzone and you didn’t have sprint… Lets just say people wouldn’t be happy. lol!

Meh, the only reason why I think sprint is necessary in WZ is because of the base capture times. Other than that, I think you can get by without using it. A sprintless game would require some creative map design with bigger maps, but it’s entirely possible to have that as proven with previous Halo games.

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> In previous Halos all you had to do was crouch when jumping to make it onto certain ledges but now you actually have to think when making certain jumps because they require SKILL

So you’re saying there were no jumps that required skill in past Halos? I hope you’re not being serious. I’d argue that H5 takes the same if not less skill than previous Halos. 90% of the time, I don’t even think about jumps because I know all I have to do is hit a button to save myself if I don’t quite make the jump.

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> Halo reach had a sprint (sort of) and everyone treats that game like it’s their own baby. Just because you were hit with a spartan charge doesn’t mean you should go on to a rant about how Sprint ruins halo.

Default Reach was pretty bad, but one positive is sprint and other armor abilities weren’t a required mechanic since you had the option to choose it or not. It’s clear you didn’t read the thread if you think people are arguing to remove sprint because of spartan charging.

A classic playlist can exist only with accommodating maps. It would still feel weird given the slow strafe speed in 5. I think the one thing that benefits from no sprint is more incentive to use vehicles in BTB. What ever happened to 4v4 maps with vehicular gameplay? These arena maps are matchbox size and need to be opened up for more lines of sight and dare I say grenade magic.

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Hence the word playlist. It should be a playlist, in matchmaking.

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> > > it was fine in reach it was fine in H4 and it is Perfect in H5 people like you could be focusing on other more important problems like REQs which is a big problem and need people pushing to ether get a new system of reform it but no you are going to whine about what is not going to change
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Are you serious? Halo didn’t have sprint for 9 years and it did great, it was a console seller. I didn’t like Halo reach’s AA like I said and you still talked about them as if I wanted them. And again as I said, because people run and hide, they’ll have their healt back in no time by getting that distance. Also Halo 5s long distances help them a lot, I can’t just turn the corner and shoot them. Also, don’t tell me how to be a good player and chase someone. Don’t assume and say that I camp, I’m by far a better player than you. So much so that you should just sit there and stop giving me advice on how to play Halo. I looked at your service record, I’m better in all of them, Halo 3, Halo reach, Halo 4 and ironically miles and miles better in Halo 5 you’re so defending and giving advice on. Give me brake, a kid handing me advice on how to play a franchise I have played for the past 15 years.

P.S. If you chase a player of my skill level, you’re gonna have a bad day

Edit. Also, I’m not a noob like you and miss sprinting players, I actually think that headshots are extremely easy in Halo 5, especially with the sniper. One more thing, the only reason I responded with a condescending tone is because you attacked me and my skill as a player personally.

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> > > > You’re kind of right, Maybe NOT having a half–Yoinked!- campaign, content at launch, Decent customization (Like H4), being able to actually EARN and unlock things, instead of this REQ pack bull****, 343 was like "The money from REQs will be put towards a bigger prizepool for HCS, WELL I DON’T GIVE A PALMER! How about they spend that money on better map designers and a half-decent engine for 2015. Rant over, unless someone triggers me
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The actor is different than the mocap actor because the mocap actor (which was also going to voice lock) had a big show to work on (Jessica Jones for Netflix.) Mike Colter chose Jessica Jones over Halo , which I guess is better for his career. #1 it’s MARVEL #2 Halo 5’s campaign wasn’t received well by really anyone.

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> > > > I remember when this thread first started…I didn’t think it had the ability to grow to an almost 2000+ puppy. It’s fun to watch people fight over an issue, the actual developers probably don’t want to even get involved because it’s too entertaining.
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> > > True, I get the Elite thread getting big because it was part of Halo and changed gameplay while sprint didn’t really changed anything except make it faster paced.
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Sprint ruins objective game modes for people who don’t like using it. It kind of forces you, especially on CTF, the return time for the flag is crazy fast.

Actually, the removal of sprint will make halo slow and boring again

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this have more likes than the thought out and lengthy arguments against sprint? (208 last time I checked).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > “But, but… the majority WANTS sprint!”
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Why does it matter when it’s from? We’ve been having this argument for at least four years with the same results. If an “up to date” poll changes anything it’s only because so many anti-sprinters have left (people tend to do that when the devs don’t remove bad game changing mechanics).
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> > > > > > > > > > > Peoples opinions change. Halo 5 has balanced sprint so more people like it now. Also they’ve gotten used to it. That’s why the date matters.
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> > > > > > > > > > People also stop playing the game. For the last four years, the community was much larger and was largely against sprint. The smaller the communtiy gets (as it’s now the smallest it’s ever been since before Halo 3) the more people within it that will like sprint because they’ll soon be the only ones left playing the game. Like I said, keeping a game changing mechanic that people don’t like will push them away. Players having been pushed away doesn’t exactly support your claim of pro-sprinters being the majority.
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> > > > > > > > > So if they stop playing the game/series and aren’t buying anymore, then they should have no impact on how it should turn out. As of right now, the halo community is mainly pro-sprinters. Before, it might’ve been different, but now most of us like sprint.
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> > > > > > > > 343 doesn’t make decision based on what the existing community wants. If they did, they wouldn’t have added sprint when the community was telling them not to for the last four years.
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> > > > > > > Um, yah they do. Not all decisions but definitely a lot. I think of the MoR update, containing infection and reach stuff which the community wanted. I think of BTB, which was supposed to be replaced by warzone until fans yelled at them to put it in the game. I think of firefight, which 343 specifically stated that if people wanted a PvE warzone enough, they’d put it in. I think of them removing ordnance and loadouts, which the community said made it feel too much like CoD. No they don’t make every single decision requested by the community, but community feedback is where a ton of their decisions come from.
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> > > > > > Ok, so why should that not apply to sprint?
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> > > > > Because 343 believes it needs to be in the game to compete with other FPSs. They don’t take ALL the decisions from the community.
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> > > > And they believed wrong and have been proven wrong. So what’s the excuse now?
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> > Overwatch, a game in which only one character can sprint (and is used less than 7% of the time), is consistently in the top 10 and sold pretty damn well which shows that sprint is not nearly as important to people as they think. And Dooms gameplay was praised by most and it obviously lacks sprint.
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Well if Halo 5 is doing so well, where are the population numbers? BF4 is ahead of it according to your Most popular, granted I even bought a digital copy to upgrade from my 360 copy. For BF4 estimates here you go. Makes one wonder, being as it is hanging around 60k on XB1, 180k total, for a 3yr old game.

As a suggestion, I highly recommend not using the Most Popular list to discredit any game.

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> Actually, the removal of sprint will make halo slow and boring again

Halo was never slow or boring lol, It’s just as fast-paced as it’s ever been, there are just different options for speed now, In Halo, every spartan use to have the same speed all the time unless you pick up a speed boost. Plus, your weapon was always up, making it more of an arena shooter than it is now. I don’t hate sprint, I just don’t really think it belongs in Halo, it was just fine without it and the sales were sky high without sprint, it’s not like they need to throw it in the games.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Id rather keep sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this have more likes than the thought out and lengthy arguments against sprint? (208 last time I checked).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because the majority of people like sprint and think it should stay.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s an assumption. There is no feasible way to actually know what the actual majority thinks. The only thing we do know about the majority is that their opinions are unknown.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “But, but… the majority WANTS sprint!”
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a year and a half ago. Find/make one that’s up to date.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does it matter when it’s from? We’ve been having this argument for at least four years with the same results. If an “up to date” poll changes anything it’s only because so many anti-sprinters have left (people tend to do that when the devs don’t remove bad game changing mechanics).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Peoples opinions change. Halo 5 has balanced sprint so more people like it now. Also they’ve gotten used to it. That’s why the date matters.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > People also stop playing the game. For the last four years, the community was much larger and was largely against sprint. The smaller the communtiy gets (as it’s now the smallest it’s ever been since before Halo 3) the more people within it that will like sprint because they’ll soon be the only ones left playing the game. Like I said, keeping a game changing mechanic that people don’t like will push them away. Players having been pushed away doesn’t exactly support your claim of pro-sprinters being the majority.
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> > > > > > > > > > > So if they stop playing the game/series and aren’t buying anymore, then they should have no impact on how it should turn out. As of right now, the halo community is mainly pro-sprinters. Before, it might’ve been different, but now most of us like sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > 343 doesn’t make decision based on what the existing community wants. If they did, they wouldn’t have added sprint when the community was telling them not to for the last four years.
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> > > > > > > > > Um, yah they do. Not all decisions but definitely a lot. I think of the MoR update, containing infection and reach stuff which the community wanted. I think of BTB, which was supposed to be replaced by warzone until fans yelled at them to put it in the game. I think of firefight, which 343 specifically stated that if people wanted a PvE warzone enough, they’d put it in. I think of them removing ordnance and loadouts, which the community said made it feel too much like CoD. No they don’t make every single decision requested by the community, but community feedback is where a ton of their decisions come from.
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> > > > > > > > Ok, so why should that not apply to sprint?
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> > > > > > > Because 343 believes it needs to be in the game to compete with other FPSs. They don’t take ALL the decisions from the community.
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> > > > > > In other words, make a cookie cutter game.
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> > > > > I don’t understand that reference.
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> > > > Being a cookie cutter product.
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> > > 1 mechanic doesn’t make it a cookie cutter product.
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> > No it doesn’t, then again, sprint isn’t the only “popular” mechanic around…
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> > > 343 believes it needs to be in the game to compete with other FPSs
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> > As with Halo 4, they’re using the cookie cutter mentality.
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> 2 mechanics don’t make it a cookie cutter product (sprint and ADS). I agree with halo 4 being a cookie cutter, but not halo 5.

Nah, more than two.

As I also said, Cookie Cutter mentality

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> Actually, the removal of sprint will make halo slow and boring again

You used to play games you thought were slow and boring?

I like sprint. Otherwise you can choose to play in crouch mode. Yadda yadda “gameplay dynamics” scenarios.

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> I like sprint. Otherwise you can choose to play in crouch mode. Yadda yadda “gameplay dynamics” scenarios.

I don’t quite understand if you’re pro-sprint or not…