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> Why is Halo 5's Campaign So BAD!? (Part 1) Marketing, Expanded Lore, & Intro Cinematics - YouTube
that link doesnt work…whats the video called?
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> This is unbelievable how are you guys still debating/crying about this subject? Clearly some of you guys are complete losers.
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> There’s people that have put in a lot of work into making all the abilities/ sprint work. It’s completely disrespectful for you guys to discredit their work because you don’t like it. I would understand if the game was broken but the reality is that it works and it’s arguably the most balanced game.
> Stop with the comparisons to older titles sales/ population and whatever nonsense you come up with to make your silly argument valid. Mainly because it’s mostly nonsense and in reality it’s just your opinion.
> The majority of players don’t go to waypoint/reddit to cry about the game. They just simply play the game. It’s the hardcore fans who mostly use these types of sites to communicate with other players and it’s mostly a small percentage who are actually crying about the game.
> In other words you complaining about the abilities/sprint are the minority. Zero, Ramirez , wartime you guys need to step outside your mothers basement. Its ridiculous the amount of time you guys spend on these forums.
I do believe this qualifies as calling out. Where is your proof about minority/majority? Waypoint… XBL top10 (BF4 past Halo 5 on it) Reddit?
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> Why is Halo 5's Campaign So BAD!? (Part 1) Marketing, Expanded Lore, & Intro Cinematics - YouTube
nevermind
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> > > > Why does this have more likes than the thought out and lengthy arguments against sprint? (208 last time I checked).
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> > That’s an assumption. There is no feasible way to actually know what the actual majority thinks. The only thing we do know about the majority is that their opinions are unknown.
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> It’s not really an assumption. Just compare the likes that the OP has (which is less than the number of pages) compared to the first couple posts about keeping sprint.
Lol
You think the couple hundred likes of one thread on one website is an accurate representation of the opinions of a fanbase of 10s, maybe even hundreds of millions?
Jesus
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> > > > Why does this have more likes than the thought out and lengthy arguments against sprint? (208 last time I checked).
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> > > Because the majority of people like sprint and think it should stay.
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> > That’s an assumption. There is no feasible way to actually know what the actual majority thinks. The only thing we do know about the majority is that their opinions are unknown.
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> It’s not really an assumption. Just compare the likes that the OP has (which is less than the number of pages) compared to the first couple posts about keeping sprint.
Not a good metric to go by. I, for example, haven’t liked OP’s post. He didn’t really make a real argument against it. This guy did though and he has more likes.
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> > This is unbelievable how are you guys still debating/crying about this subject? Clearly some of you guys are complete losers.
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> > There’s people that have put in a lot of work into making all the abilities/ sprint work. It’s completely disrespectful for you guys to discredit their work because you don’t like it. I would understand if the game was broken but the reality is that it works and it’s arguably the most balanced game.
> > Stop with the comparisons to older titles sales/ population and whatever nonsense you come up with to make your silly argument valid. Mainly because it’s mostly nonsense and in reality it’s just your opinion.
> > The majority of players don’t go to waypoint/reddit to cry about the game. They just simply play the game. It’s the hardcore fans who mostly use these types of sites to communicate with other players and it’s mostly a small percentage who are actually crying about the game.
> > In other words you complaining about the abilities/sprint are the minority. Zero, Ramirez , wartime you guys need to step outside your mothers basement. Its ridiculous the amount of time you guys spend on these forums.
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> it does grow tiresome…having to repeat the same thing over and over and over again because certain people seemingly dont even read what other people are writing…so im not gonna bother arguing points because you wont hear them…so ill just say if you enjoy the new direction of halo 5 then great good for you i wish you the best…have fun
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> P.S my mom doesnt have a basement…
It’s beyond tiresome. There’s instances where I just want to read about updates and as soon as I see a thread like this I can’t help it but have to jump in. Like watching a car wreck.
What you guys need to understand is that it works both ways. There’s people that enjoy sprint/Spartan abilities and there’s nothing you guys could say to persuade them to agree with you. the difference is that the people that enjoy it are not writing daily articles about it.
343 is in the business to make money that means that it’s in their best interest to make a game that appeal to the mass majority. I tip my hat off to them for in my opinion modernizing the game while not completely losing what Halo is all about.
I believe that they would do their do diligence and build their next game with the majority of their consumers in mind.
While the game is not perfect I like the direction they’re going I just hope for a better story and a lot more content than what we got at launch.
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> That was a year and a half ago. Find/make one that’s up to date.
Why does it matter when it’s from? We’ve been having this argument for at least four years with the same results. If an “up to date” poll changes anything it’s only because so many anti-sprinters have left (people tend to do that when the devs don’t remove bad game changing mechanics).
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> Also this statement. You not liking a game does not make it unsuccessful.
How are there still people that haven’t read between the lines in that article? How much money they made including hardware doesn’t mean much. It was just a big number to show investors.
That does not reflect copies sold, which I’m sure is what Xuoi was talking about.
its a fact, people want sprint. Just try to play customs games that remove sprint, youll just see how people are pissed when sprint is off even if its for a mini game purpose. Same thing goes for spartan abilities such as stabilizer, spartan charge and groundpound. Deal with it or leave us alone you crybabies.
You’d think 343 would get the picture by now. But they want to make Halo in their “vision” so bad that’s it’s ruining the franchise. Slowly getting rid of anything Bungie contributed and consistently not listening to the fans. I believe they have the talent to make this franchise great again, but they need to start by removing sprint.
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> its a fact, people want sprint. Just try to play customs games that remove sprint, youll just see how people are pissed when sprint is off even if its for a mini game purpose. Same thing goes for spartan abilities such as stabilizer, spartan charge and groundpound. Deal with it or leave us alone you crybabies.
That’s funny, when I play customs we usually turn off sprint and the rest of the gimmicks. Boost movement speed to %110. We only keep clamber because unfortunately the maps require it
I Would rather keep sprint it took ages to get around before it
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> I Would rather keep sprint it took ages to get around before it
Yes, but that was kind of the point. Movement was meant to be slower and more methodical.
I would accept the removal of spartan charge. It gives a lot of easy kills, it’s really not a skillful kill at all. Also, let’s say you get spartan charge from the front and melee the person at the same time you get hit. The animation recovery time from the spartan charge is faster than a regular melee. That’s needs to be tuned if it stays.
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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> Thoughts? :3
Ok, so I’ve heard this be stated hundreds of times. I personally think sprint is a good thing, mainly because it makes the game faster and more intense. A no sprint campaign wouldn’t be great with the modern halo, mainly because of how the enemies are still faster than you even you are sprinting! So taking away sprint would make you a sitting duck basically. Though if you REALLY don’t like sprint, then just don’t sprint. Your character doesn’t sprint until you push a button. So no, sprinting should remain. Though a playlist for no sprinting is alright.
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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> Thoughts? :3
really -Yoink-?
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> I Would rather keep sprint it took ages to get around before it
Sprint isn’t necessary to fix that problem.
This thread is at nearly 2000 replies and there hasn’t been an actual discussion about the merits of the sprint mechanic yet. That is sad. That is an indictment of this community.
From an objective stand point the anti sprint crowd decimates the pro sprint crowd in these types of threads.
The anti sprint crowd argues that the game is more fun without sprint. They do this by explaining things on a surface level and a systemic level. They explain the various underlying effects of sprint that they don’t like. They suggest alternatives.
The Pro sprint side argues that the game is more fun with sprint. They do this by explaining things on a surface level.
For me, of you can’t explain why you like something than your opinion is not worth anything. Why? Because it is not an informed opinion.
Let me give an example. Years ago I played a lot of NHL. I started out playing a bit and eventually found myself on forums discussing the game. I noticed one timers were a hot button topic. Many players wanted the use of one timers reduced. They wanted the mechanic nerfed or radically changed. From my perspective these complaints made no sense. One timers were awesome. I’d make a pass and then boom, goal. It was great fun. At that point I only had a surface level understanding of the mechanic. I had an uninformed opinion. I only enjoyed it because I was unaware of the issues it was causing. Make no mistake though, I WAS being effected by these issues. I would have enjoyed the game more with a different one timer mechanic. I just didn’t have enough of an understanding to even see these issues, let alone trace them back to one timers. Once I understood the game more though (this takes an open mind and usually a willingness to dissect the mechanics of a game in order to improve as a player. Which is why USUSLLY only competitive type players reach this point) I began to see why why one timers were an issue.
I’m not saying all pro sprint supporters are wrong. If you can deeply explain the effects of sprint. If you can talk map scaling, the relationship between movement and combat, player spacing, encounter timing, the effects of pushing man advantages, kill times, weapon balancing, etc and you like how sprint effects these things…then cool. But if all you can come up with is “nostalgia” or “its fun” you are too uninformed to actually discuss the mechanic.
By the same token if all you can muster in favor of no sprint is “halo 3 had it”, or “overwatch!”, or “its fun” you are also not informed enough.
In my opinion, sprint is dividing the community too much. Probably this mechanic won’t be removed so easily from future Halos and will never be accepted by sprint detractors. But this video could offer a great solution to all of our problems.