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> > > Keep Sprint but as a defensive/escape/map traversal tactic, not an offensive one. Meaning no more charge.
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> > But 343i already doesn’t want it to be used for defense or escape. That’s why Sprint is designed the way it is in Halo 5.
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> Can you clarify? I’m fine with Sprint, but just want the ability to Sprint around charging people gone.
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> Take team arena, with HCS settings. You have to be selective when you Sprint as you are prone and don’t have spartan charge in your back pocket.
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> Whereas in ranked slayer, there are players who’s main tactic is to Sprint 100% of the time. Spartan charge first, ask questions later. And they can actually cobble together good stats doing it. They don’t even avoid taking fire, they just keep coming right at you.
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> That is what I’d like removed next game.
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> I play halo 3 rarely and it feels so slow to me. Like painfully slow. Sprint is still halo, spartan charge is overkill.
Many of us would agree that Halo 3 feels sluggish compared to the other games but why is sprint the only way to fix that? Why not just increase the base movement speed a tad, or give us a wider FoV?
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> Can you clarify? I’m fine with Sprint, but just want the ability to Sprint around charging people gone.
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> Take team arena, with HCS settings. You have to be selective when you Sprint as you are prone and don’t have spartan charge in your back pocket.
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> Whereas in ranked slayer, there are players who’s main tactic is to Sprint 100% of the time. Spartan charge first, ask questions later. And they can actually cobble together good stats doing it. They don’t even avoid taking fire, they just keep coming right at you.
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> That is what I’d like removed next game.
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> I play halo 3 rarely and it feels so slow to me. Like painfully slow. Sprint is still halo, spartan charge is overkill.
343i purposely included the mechanics where you have a soft charge up to Sprint that you can get shot out of, and your shield doesn’t recharge when you Sprint. There’s also the hybrid radar that shows when you Sprint.
343 pretty much took every possible method to tell you not to run away while Sprinting other than flashing it on your screen.
Sure, you can believe that Halo 3 moves too slow for you, but then…why not just move faster? Increase that speed. It’s already a custom games setting, why did we need to make a whole new Sprint mechanic just to accomplish the exact same thing?
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> But 343i already doesn’t want it to be used for defense or escape. That’s why Sprint is designed the way it is in Halo 5.
It’s statements like this that basically exploit how pointless and meaningless sprint is in Halo. There is absolutely no purpose for it at all. Unless 343 just thought that not being guns up at all times is enjoyable for players, I see no purpose in it.
It makes maps unnecessarily larger, it ruins the flow of gameplay, and it is a complete waste of a button on the controller, a button you will push over and over just to do something you shouldn’t have to do in the first place.
I have yet to see a single argument that expresses how sprint improves gameplay in any way, shape, or form.
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> Anyone up for 824 pages of light reading ?
> It just really goes to show how divided the classic vs enhanced movement crowds are .
this thread is proof that the communety is split about sprint that you see some like to be remove and others like to stay its a disscusion that has split the comunnety big with it.
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> > Anyone up for 824 pages of light reading ?
> > It just really goes to show how divided the classic vs enhanced movement crowds are .
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> this thread is proof that the communety is split about sprint that you see some like to be remove and others like to stay its a disscusion that has split the comunnety big with it.
The post I was responding to was ‘the return of classic movement for infinite’ Sprint is but a small part of this movement ability and dare I say it an even smaller part of what makes a really good fun game .
Enhanced mobility is the thrusters, the charge ,the slide , the ground pound , the clamber and of course sprint and the of loss of being able to run and gun .
I think it’s safe to say halo hasn’t done great or consistent job of enhanced movement abilies over the past 3 games whereas the prior 4 games it was consistent and generally considered quite good , but I still don’t think movement abilities the sole reason the latest games aren’t considered great or as good as the earlier editions by the wider halo audience .
It is interesting reading through all points for and against over the last 3 or so years but I wonder if investing so much debate and discussion on movement abilities is the real key to making halo great again ?
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> > this thread is proof that the communety is split about sprint that you see some like to be remove and others like to stay its a disscusion that has split the comunnety big with it.
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> The post I was responding to was ‘the return of classic movement for infinite’ Sprint is but a small part of this movement ability and dare I say it an even smaller part of what makes a really good fun game .
> Enhanced mobility is the thrusters, the charge ,the slide , the ground pound , the clamber and of course sprint and the of loss of being able to run and gun .
> I think it’s safe to say halo hasn’t done great or consistent job of enhanced movement abilies over the past 3 games whereas the prior 4 games it was consistent and generally considered quite good , but I still don’t think movement abilities the sole reason the latest games aren’t considered great or as good as the earlier editions by the wider halo audience .
> It is interesting reading through all points for and against over the last 3 or so years but I wonder if investing so much debate and discussion on movement abilities is the real key to making halo great again ?
like you see on this thread you see that most off then like to see sprint stay in the game and others like to go back to halo 3 way with basic moving speed only.
and both side’s not agree with each other and thats why it make’s it also harder for 343 to make a good halo game if the communety is split about 1 mechanic.
there are some things some off then have suggest to make both side’s happy.
from adding a classic matchmaking playlist that has the classic rule’s on and that other playlist like ranked and socical have there modern mechanic’s but that there is still one playlist for the classic rule’s fans.
then you have still a up do date halo game that is going with the time with the modern mechanic’s and there is a playlist for the classic rule’s fans also that wane play with the halo 3 rule’s more.
but for some thats something there not wane since there wane see the full game going back to classic mode and thats something thats only worse for the game since you gone lose a lot off new players to other game’s.
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The Sprint issue is sort of like the whole new coke backlash. New Coke had been extensively tested with the result that it tasted superior to Classic Coke and Pepsi, but a vocal minority blinded by nostalgia and the fear of things changing drove New Coke into the ash heap of history. The safe bet is that 343 will pull sprint out of Halo, but everyone expecting the Coke Classic taste will end up disappointed with how it now tastes as bad as RC Cola.
Yeah nah , not really feeling the whole Coke example works in this context .Halo infinite success or failure really isn’t resting on whether 343i keep or lose enhanced mobility .
“i343 is incapable of making a less complex game intriguing and fun while also adhering to classic gameplay. Instead in order for them to make a game worthy of the masses, they need to follow a fictional bucket list of mechanics, creating whatever game comes out of the lottery machine With this I can then point back and say told you so, if i343 does indeed pull sprint out, but screws something else up which is unrelated to movement, which people will be upset about. Overall, sprint fixes any mediocre game, and any issue in it, while also objectively raise all games up. All who object regardless of their issues with any new thing, will be dismissed as blinded by nostalgia, as I have not a single gripe with anything that has been added, changed, removed or altered, ever.”
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> “i343 is incapable of making a less complex game intriguing and fun while also adhering to classic gameplay. Instead in order for them to make a game worthy of the masses, they need to follow a fictional bucket list of mechanics, creating whatever game comes out of the lottery machine With this I can then point back and say told you so, if i343 does indeed pull sprint out, but screws something else up which is unrelated to movement, which people will be upset about. Overall, sprint fixes any mediocre game, and any issue in it, while also objectively raise all games up. All who object regardless of their issues with any new thing, will be dismissed as blinded by nostalgia, as I have not a single gripe with anything that has been added, changed, removed or altered, ever.”
where is the proof for that there removing sprint from halo 6 since the only thing i have hear from then was there going back to the roots and since it can means anything from what point there calling back to the roots means in there eye’s.
its easy to tell there doing this and that but so long there is no oficial news that we only get at the E3 is it still no clear what it means and rumors like sprint less halo stay’s a rumor.
the same new rumors that halo campaign will have a open wold rummor you hear little more in the last few day’s that there adding the open wold mechanic in halo and thats also a rumor that you hear but so long there is no 100% proof from 343 it will stay a rumor.
i have hear things like that a lot by developing companys there telling the communety there bringing the game back to the ground or roots but in the end its only few little things that have bring then back to the ground and roots that its still have some off the things most hate to see in game’s that are coming back.
so long there is no proof from 343 about the info we the communety can tell things that maybe not are true and not gone happing.
That’s way off for the simple fact that one’s taste in soda is purely subjective.
One’s like/dislike/indifference towards Sprint is also subjective, but the existence of Sprint itself has objective changes. If there’s something objective to discuss, then it’s possible to discuss the topic without any connection to nostalgia.
Otherwise, what stops me from saying that the “majority” (you know, assuming that’s true) is just falling under a novelty bias?
The divide of people because of sprint reminds me of the Sonic the Hedgehog series. I do believe it’s way worse when it comes to Sonic games, but it still is similar. Some Sonic fans want the newest game to play like a classic styled Sonic game with it being a 2d platformer with no boost mechanic. Some Sonic fans want the next game to be a 3d styled Sonic game (like Sonic Adventure.) Some Halo fans want sprint to be removed in Halo 6, and some fans want it to stay. To me, 343 Industries really got themselves stuck. Just like Sonic Team and SEGA, once they added some new mechanics to change the gameplay up, it created a divide within the Halo community. 343 Industries sadly got themselves stuck in the “Sonic situation.” They are not going to please everybody.
Sprint has been a part of Halo since 2010, and I’m assuming you want the spartan abilities to return as well. Does that make you against change or does that only apply to classic fans in your mind?
Imagine using one of the most famous examples of trying to fix what isn’t broken and trying ape your competitors at the expense of your own audience in order to try and cry wolf about the removal of sprint…
What a ringing endorsement of a developer to say that they can’t even recreate the thing that made the brand famous in the first place, especially when on paper at least, there should be less variables to worry about. If they can’t get classic Halo right why on Earth would we trust them to do something with even more mechanical guff slapped onto it?
If they can’t get 4v4 on say Sanctuary to work, why should they be trusted to create say Warzone or anything new for that matter?
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something can’t just taste better, that’s entirely subjective. However, that really doesn’t have anything to do with sprint and no sprint.
Sprint has proven to make maps unnecessarily large, it’s been proven to slow down gameplay, and it’s been proven to be a useless mechanic since all it does is give you the illusion of going faster and not having your gun up at all times like Halo is supposed to be.
Should they add sprint to Quake too? Maybe we should make a 1st person Gears of War and tell everyone who doesn’t like it that “they just need to let games evolve.”
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> where is the proof for that there removing sprint from halo 6
Noticed how it’s in quote marks, and that the very first word you bolded was “if”?
While I want classic to return, I don’t understand why Microsoft just doesn’t start two development cycles like Infinity Ward/Treyarch/Sledgehammer. Main games are classic and spinoffs are advanced movement…
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hell no.
you only get more and more problems if 3 company’s are working on 1 game titel.
first problem you get is the main campaign story problems since you get more the same like cod now has only seperate campaign story’s and not 1 main story like halo.
second off all if some off then have the stupids idea to remove the campaign mode for a battle royal playlist then you also a lot off hate or other replace it with something else.
3th reason: you get there own idea’s there wane add in the game and remove that is not good for the game.
and main big reason is: look at cod with the 3 company’s that are making cod titels there are doing not great with there own idea’s there have add in the game.
and halo is a xbox exclusive game and its not like activision that make’s then for playstation and xbox.