The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > > Holy -Yoinking!- -Yoink-. If there’s any “argument” that pisses me off more than that one I’ve yet to find it.
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> > > > > > > > > When you use that as an argument you’ve just admitted defeat. You’re basically saying that the debate itself doesn’t matter just because you can’t actually come up with any responses.
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> > > > > > > > The debate doesn’t matter. Why should it? It is just a video game. This is an entertainment medium, nothing more, and like with all such media, the creators eventually take it down a path that some fans would rather not follow. Oh, sure, you can make your voice heard, but it’s essentially the same as yelling about reality tv, or because a character you liked was killed off in a movie. Entertaining, infuriating, but ultimately, it’s one of the least meaningful debates you can have.
> > > > > > > > Me? I just try to enjoy the game. I play what I want, and when I’m done, I move on. Passive? Sure, but I’ll bet my bottom dollar that I have more fun in any given game because of the recognition that it’s just a game than any try-hard that tries to make it more important than it is.
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> > > > > > > This guy gets it! Why is everyone acting like the world is ending?
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> > > > > > try putting yourself in our shoes…reverse the roles…imagine theres something in a franchise you believe is ruining the game…so you try to voice your opinion on it and someone who disagrees with you basically says shut up it doesnt matter…thats not a reasonable respons
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> > > > > I am a HUGE starwars fan and I stopped playing battlefront very early on because it’s a terrible game but I’m not going on forums and complaining about it. I simply stopped playing it.
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> > > > It would be a different scenario if you had been playing far superior Star Wars Battlefront games for well over a decade, and then the newest one comes out and is a terrible game. You would want things to go back to how they were when the games were good.
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> > > > EDIT: also, “Star Wars” is two words.
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> > its not just about halo 5 man…its about halo 6 and halo 7…if we dont voice our concerns about what we feel is wrong with the game now then nothing will change…and halo is my main franchise…i dont want to stop playing it…and i dont have many options to fall back on with halo…MCC is a laggy semi working shell of older halo games and halo reach is like 20 frames per second with backwards compatibility…halo 5 as a general fps shooter isnt bad…but its certainly not what i and many other expect from halo specifically.
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> As long as the next ones are complete I’m fine with the way multiplayer mechanics are progressing and we get a good single player story.
> P.S get a life.

well good for you…hope you enjoy the game
P.S…never

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> > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
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> > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
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> > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
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> > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
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> And your proof against this notion is? Saying I have some news for you at the end of a statement your trying to make doesn’t make it true or stronger. It usually signifies you have nothing else to offer to that statement.

  • If Halo 5 did sell more than five million copies, 343 and Microsoft would be boasting about it like Bungie and Microsoft did about with every other previous Halo title. The Xbox One’s sales are still lower than the PS4’s and still struggling, so why not discuss Halo’s great sales that are sure to bolster Xbox popularity?
  • There is no active multiplayer population counter. Every other Halo has had one. Why do you think Halo 5 doesn’t have one? I bet it’s because Halo’s population is so low it would prove Halo’s sales are vastly lower than five million, or else there would be a higher active matchmaking community that 343 is willing to show off.
  • 343 said they would be supporting the Master Chief Collection until the Xbox One era was over. Eight months in, the MCC was abandoned entirely and there hasn’t been a single significant update. 343 is known for lying and manipulative money-grabbing tactics and false advertising that prove to be outright deceitful.
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What happened to this thread? Goes from sprinting and walking to 343i and Microsoft about amount of copies sold. lol

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> > > “ITS JUST A VIDEOGAME”
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> > > Holy -Yoinking!- -Yoink-. If there’s any “argument” that pisses me off more than that one I’ve yet to find it.
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> > > When you use that as an argument you’ve just admitted defeat. You’re basically saying that the debate itself doesn’t matter just because you can’t actually come up with any responses.
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> > The debate doesn’t matter. Why should it? It is just a video game. This is an entertainment medium, nothing more, and like with all such media, the creators eventually take it down a path that some fans would rather not follow. Oh, sure, you can make your voice heard, but it’s essentially the same as yelling about reality tv, or because a character you liked was killed off in a movie. Entertaining, infuriating, but ultimately, it’s one of the least meaningful debates you can have.
> > Me? I just try to enjoy the game. I play what I want, and when I’m done, I move on. Passive? Sure, but I’ll bet my bottom dollar that I have more fun in any given game because of the recognition that it’s just a game than any try-hard that tries to make it more important than it is.
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> This guy gets it! Why is everyone acting like the world is ending?

If whether or not the next game has Sprint is so trivial and unimportant (as its “just a video game”), why are you so opposed to its removal?

Heck, if its so unimportant (because its a video game), then why have you gone so far as to comment 30 times (in this topic alone) n attempts to argue it stay? I’d say you changed your attitude and stopped actually debating when your points were countered.

You want Sprint to stay, but you can’t counter anti-Sprint arguments and so just say that none of it matters and for us to get a life… Did I mention your 30 comments on this topic?

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> > > > “ITS JUST A VIDEOGAME”
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> > > > Holy -Yoinking!- -Yoink-. If there’s any “argument” that pisses me off more than that one I’ve yet to find it.
> > > >
> > > > When you use that as an argument you’ve just admitted defeat. You’re basically saying that the debate itself doesn’t matter just because you can’t actually come up with any responses.
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> > > The debate doesn’t matter. Why should it? It is just a video game. This is an entertainment medium, nothing more, and like with all such media, the creators eventually take it down a path that some fans would rather not follow. Oh, sure, you can make your voice heard, but it’s essentially the same as yelling about reality tv, or because a character you liked was killed off in a movie. Entertaining, infuriating, but ultimately, it’s one of the least meaningful debates you can have.
> > > Me? I just try to enjoy the game. I play what I want, and when I’m done, I move on. Passive? Sure, but I’ll bet my bottom dollar that I have more fun in any given game because of the recognition that it’s just a game than any try-hard that tries to make it more important than it is.
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> > This guy gets it! Why is everyone acting like the world is ending?
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> If whether or not the next game has Sprint is so trivial and unimportant (as its “just a video game”), why are you so opposed to its removal?
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> Heck, if its so unimportant (because its a video game), then why have you gone so far as to comment 30 times (in this topic alone) n attempts to argue it stay? I’d say you changed your attitude and stopped actually debating when your points were countered.
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> You want Sprint to stay, but you can’t counter anti-Sprint arguments and so just say that none of it matters and for us to get a life… Did I mention your 30 comments on this topic?

He can counter anti-sprint arguments because he hated the gameplay of the original three games and only played for the story. There’s nothing he can argue with. Most of his comments aren’t even arguing it, they’re just whining about our opinions.

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> > > > > > I’ve been on this thread for days and all I’m reading is “get rid of sprint becuz _” it’s stupid and annoying.
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> > > > > I’m not sure what your point is because the same thing could be said for the pro-sprint opinions as well. Both sides are going to have uniformed opinions, but from what I’ve read, it seems the majority of the anti-sprint crowd is a lot more informed about how things affect gameplay than the majority of the pro-sprint crowd.
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> > > > And yet, judging from the first two comments and their like ratio, the pro-sprint crowd gets more support than the anti-sprint crowd.
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> > > > Look, can we all just agree that this isn’t doing anything for anyone and call it a day? I’m sure we’ll get another one of these threads next week when someone else complains, but I think this one’s played out.
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> > > No, that’s ok. Some people don’t like to settle, so we’re gonna keep bringing attention to problems with the game.
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> > Is it really a problem with the game or YOUR problem with the game. Halo 5 is probably the most fun and balanced game with sprint. In all reality, sprinting doesn’t affect the game in a negative way, in fact, it just diversifies it past halo expectations where we always expected people to just run around with BRs and Carbines. Now people are more cautious because a sprinting with an smg could turn the corner, plus you can’t just sprint around and gain shields. You either choose to hide where you are and risk getting grenaded or you run and risk getting gunned down from behind or in front. It’s not like Halo 4 where you just run like a maniac and guerrilla warfare it, theirs consequences and choices, though people abuse spartan charge, though it’s been nerfed.
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> It’s not my problem. It’s a problem.
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> You say it doesn’t affect the game in a negative way, but we’ve explaining it this whole thread and as I’ve said earlier, you’ve shown a profound misunderstanding on game mechanics and the how’s and why’s in regards to how the work.

You’re throwing out problems that are correlation and not causation. You make it seem like sprint is the cause of many of the “flaws” Halo 5’s game mechanics, when in fact most people that don’t experience the “problems” will not voice against your claims. You sound like you’re trying to play and turn Halo into an arena shooter, where you don’t have to adapt to the environment and other players quite often. In Halo 5 you have to pay attention to everything, not just the old “well I have 2 teammates there” or “I’m beast with the BR in close mid and long range.” Sprint has changed Halo not to piss off old school players like ourselves, but to give us an experience that is diverse and expansive FPS game. I will admit, sprint is NOT perfect, but it’s 10x better than CoD and Battlefield in that aspect. Halo shouldn’t try hopping the new “retro” bandwagon because it will only make it look desperate and push gamers away. It should bring back old functions but not remove new ones. There is nothing wrong with Halo 5’s game mechanics other than the lack of a few game mechanics from the old halos.

Instead of shouting, “Let’s remove sprint” let’s unite and scream “Let’s improve sprint.” Because halo has always been about doing things the right way and right now, it’s not accomplishing it because fans demand the scrapping of game mechanics that could be improved on and innovated.

> United we stand, divided we fall.

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> > > > > “ITS JUST A VIDEOGAME”
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> > > > > Holy -Yoinking!- -Yoink-. If there’s any “argument” that pisses me off more than that one I’ve yet to find it.
> > > > >
> > > > > When you use that as an argument you’ve just admitted defeat. You’re basically saying that the debate itself doesn’t matter just because you can’t actually come up with any responses.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The debate doesn’t matter. Why should it? It is just a video game. This is an entertainment medium, nothing more, and like with all such media, the creators eventually take it down a path that some fans would rather not follow. Oh, sure, you can make your voice heard, but it’s essentially the same as yelling about reality tv, or because a character you liked was killed off in a movie. Entertaining, infuriating, but ultimately, it’s one of the least meaningful debates you can have.
> > > > Me? I just try to enjoy the game. I play what I want, and when I’m done, I move on. Passive? Sure, but I’ll bet my bottom dollar that I have more fun in any given game because of the recognition that it’s just a game than any try-hard that tries to make it more important than it is.
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> > > This guy gets it! Why is everyone acting like the world is ending?
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> > If whether or not the next game has Sprint is so trivial and unimportant (as its “just a video game”), why are you so opposed to its removal?
> >
> > Heck, if its so unimportant (because its a video game), then why have you gone so far as to comment 30 times (in this topic alone) n attempts to argue it stay? I’d say you changed your attitude and stopped actually debating when your points were countered.
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> > You want Sprint to stay, but you can’t counter anti-Sprint arguments and so just say that none of it matters and for us to get a life… Did I mention your 30 comments on this topic?
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> He can counter anti-sprint arguments because he hated the gameplay of the original three games and only played for the story. There’s nothing he can argue with. Most of his comments aren’t even arguing it, they’re just whining about our opinions.

Isn’t that a majority of your writings as well where you yell blasphemy yet give no argument to support anyone’s “lack” of knowledge?

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Then what about, armor mods, and Vorpal Talon?

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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!!
> Thoughts? :3

I totally agree with that but sprint makes the game way better it should be dialed down a bit and smaller!!

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Hey look! This thread again! Hahahahahahahahahaha!

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I think we should keep sprint because it gets u around faster and if u don’t eat to use it u don’t need to use it

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Can everyone stop Posting in this topic, its been going on for a week.

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I see where you’re getting at, and I agree to an extent. I feel like theres almost to much stuff going on in Halo 5. Sprint, spartan dash, ground pound and what I feel is the god awful melee. Melee was great before when you had to be that close to your opponent, but now you lounge forward, its stupid. Halo for sure left its roots behind, perhaps its just 343s version, but I’m not a huge fan of the direction its going. Its like dragon ball z meets call of duty with a halo skin.

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> Can everyone stop Posting in this topic, its been going on for a week.

The best way to get them to change future Halo games is to keep the discussion going.

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> > > > > > > I’ve been on this thread for days and all I’m reading is “get rid of sprint becuz _” it’s stupid and annoying.
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> > > > > > I’m not sure what your point is because the same thing could be said for the pro-sprint opinions as well. Both sides are going to have uniformed opinions, but from what I’ve read, it seems the majority of the anti-sprint crowd is a lot more informed about how things affect gameplay than the majority of the pro-sprint crowd.
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> > > > > And yet, judging from the first two comments and their like ratio, the pro-sprint crowd gets more support than the anti-sprint crowd.
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> > > > > Look, can we all just agree that this isn’t doing anything for anyone and call it a day? I’m sure we’ll get another one of these threads next week when someone else complains, but I think this one’s played out.
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> > > > No, that’s ok. Some people don’t like to settle, so we’re gonna keep bringing attention to problems with the game.
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> > > Is it really a problem with the game or YOUR problem with the game. Halo 5 is probably the most fun and balanced game with sprint. In all reality, sprinting doesn’t affect the game in a negative way, in fact, it just diversifies it past halo expectations where we always expected people to just run around with BRs and Carbines. Now people are more cautious because a sprinting with an smg could turn the corner, plus you can’t just sprint around and gain shields. You either choose to hide where you are and risk getting grenaded or you run and risk getting gunned down from behind or in front. It’s not like Halo 4 where you just run like a maniac and guerrilla warfare it, theirs consequences and choices, though people abuse spartan charge, though it’s been nerfed.
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> > It’s not my problem. It’s a problem.
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> > You say it doesn’t affect the game in a negative way, but we’ve explaining it this whole thread and as I’ve said earlier, you’ve shown a profound misunderstanding on game mechanics and the how’s and why’s in regards to how the work.
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> You’re throwing out problems that are correlation and not causation. You make it seem like sprint is the cause of many of the “flaws” Halo 5’s game mechanics, when in fact most people that don’t experience the “problems” will not voice against your claims. You sound like you’re trying to play and turn Halo into an arena shooter, where you don’t have to adapt to the environment and other players quite often. In Halo 5 you have to pay attention to everything, not just the old “well I have 2 teammates there” or “I’m beast with the BR in close mid and long range.” Sprint has changed Halo not to piss off old school players like ourselves, but to give us an experience that is diverse and expansive FPS game. I will admit, sprint is NOT perfect, but it’s 10x better than CoD and Battlefield in that aspect. Halo shouldn’t try hopping the new “retro” bandwagon because it will only make it look desperate and push gamers away. It should bring back old functions but not remove new ones. There is nothing wrong with Halo 5’s game mechanics other than the lack of a few game mechanics from the old halos.
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> Instead of shouting, “Let’s remove sprint” let’s unite and scream “Let’s improve sprint.” Because halo has always been about doing things the right way and right now, it’s not accomplishing it because fans demand the scrapping of game mechanics that could be improved on and innovated.
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> > United we stand, divided we fall.

Just because people don’t notice a problem doesn’t mean it’s not there and just because they don’t voice a problem doesn’t mean they don’t know there is one.

Im not trying to turn Halo into an Arena Shooter, though considering its gameplay was very heavily influenced by Arena Shooters, it’s not hard to see why you think that. Now you’re saying sprint in Halo is better than sprint in CoD or BF? Really? Sprint is perfect for those games (hence why they have it), while sprint is not even compatible with Halos core, which is why it will never work. I really don’t mean any disrespect, but you are wildly ignorant on these matters.

Halo should do what’s best for itself, whether than means removing mechanics or not. Countless mechanics and gameplay elements were removed over the years for this reason and sprint should be no exception. Sprint has been in for three games and here we are still pointing out its flaws. It’s not rocket science, take it out.

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> > > > > > “ITS JUST A VIDEOGAME”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Holy -Yoinking!- -Yoink-. If there’s any “argument” that pisses me off more than that one I’ve yet to find it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When you use that as an argument you’ve just admitted defeat. You’re basically saying that the debate itself doesn’t matter just because you can’t actually come up with any responses.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The debate doesn’t matter. Why should it? It is just a video game. This is an entertainment medium, nothing more, and like with all such media, the creators eventually take it down a path that some fans would rather not follow. Oh, sure, you can make your voice heard, but it’s essentially the same as yelling about reality tv, or because a character you liked was killed off in a movie. Entertaining, infuriating, but ultimately, it’s one of the least meaningful debates you can have.
> > > > > Me? I just try to enjoy the game. I play what I want, and when I’m done, I move on. Passive? Sure, but I’ll bet my bottom dollar that I have more fun in any given game because of the recognition that it’s just a game than any try-hard that tries to make it more important than it is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This guy gets it! Why is everyone acting like the world is ending?
> > >
> > >
> > > If whether or not the next game has Sprint is so trivial and unimportant (as its “just a video game”), why are you so opposed to its removal?
> > >
> > > Heck, if its so unimportant (because its a video game), then why have you gone so far as to comment 30 times (in this topic alone) n attempts to argue it stay? I’d say you changed your attitude and stopped actually debating when your points were countered.
> > >
> > > You want Sprint to stay, but you can’t counter anti-Sprint arguments and so just say that none of it matters and for us to get a life… Did I mention your 30 comments on this topic?
> >
> >
> > He can counter anti-sprint arguments because he hated the gameplay of the original three games and only played for the story. There’s nothing he can argue with. Most of his comments aren’t even arguing it, they’re just whining about our opinions.
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> Isn’t that a majority of your writings as well where you yell blasphemy yet give no argument to support anyone’s “lack” of knowledge?

No. Have you not even been reading my posts?

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Has the “core” of Halo been defined in this thread yet? I mean, if sprint changes the core, we must first all agree on an accepted “core”.

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To all you Halo Vets, I want you to know that you do not represent us all. I’m a Halo Vet (who cares, right?) well I bought a xbox when I saw the commercial for Combat Evolved. I’ve been playing Halo ever since. I absolutely love Halo 5. It’s the reason I came back. I played H4, but not for long because I didn’t really like the multiplayer. Mainly because of Jetpacks and Promethean vision. I played Reach also, but hated Armorlock and the Jetpack. If sprint was removed I would go back to playing Battlefield/Titanfall. Sprint in H5 is well implemented. I would get rid of Spartan charge though. I got to say I LOVE getting assassinations! Might be hard to do without sprint. What I do think needs to happen is for 343 to add a classic playlist ASAP! Also, all future Halo’s need to have both classic and advanced playlists. And just for fun, lets add a player count to each playlist and we’ll see what the community REALLY wants. Lets do it 343! I’m so sick of this debate. I believe the real reason Halo has become less popular is simply because a lot of Halo player’s have grown up, got married, have kids, (myself included), and simply do not have the time they did before. I know a lot of my friends have moved onto other shooters that they find to be more fun, not because of sprint.

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> Has the “core” of Halo been defined in this thread yet? I mean, if sprint changes the core, we must first all agree on an accepted “core”.

I guess you could say run-and-gun and the Golden Triangle are what makes up its core.

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Not this again. Sprinting isn’t the problem. It’s the ineffective, inept players that can’t take full advantage of new, game-changing mechanics.