The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > Just a quick word regarding Sprint potentially increasing the pace of gameplay:
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> > > > > > That’s bunk. The maps designed in Halo 5 gave been elongated to account for Sprint. All Sprint does in that case, is kill your ability to fight back against someone who is not sprinting. As such, an increase in BMS would accomplish what Sprint does, but also enables you to fight back on Halo 5 maps.
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> > > > > > Regarding combat options,
> > > > > > You’re better off running than you are sprinting. Sprinting doesn’t enable you to fight back, so you have to stop sprinting in order to play. Therefore, sprinting increasing combat options is also absolute bunk.
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> > > > > > There are many, many pages of back and forth where this has been proven in greater detail. I suggest anyone curious check those out.
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> > > > > Wrong
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> > > > Why, what an intelligent and comprehensive response you have written! I’m so glad you could further our discussion by thoroughly responding to Delta5931’s point with evidence and your own analysis! Great work, chum!
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> > > I’m hoping to explain it to him through Xbox party “chum”
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> > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish. If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode. Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table. Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically. People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game. That’s not an arguement. I am simply expressing a point on what I think I could be good idea. There is no need for a flame war.
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> First off, I’m not going to go into Xbox Live Party for you to explain. If you have something to say to me regarding Sprint, post it here. Otherwise, I’m not interested.
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> Second, you have no backing to prove any aspect of what you’re saying. We, the anti-Sprinters, have proven throughout this thread each of my points. At this point, I’m just reiterating what was said over 10 pages ago. If you can’t back up what you’re saying with any evidence of any kind, then your points are one of the following:
> - Blatantly false - Unverifiable - FacetiousTake your pick.
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> Additionally, we’re not going to tolerate a classic throwback mode. Sprint affects the entire game, and simply turning it off when it’s already in doesn’t fix the major issues with the system (namely how hitscan weapons behave). The game needs to be built from the ground up for one movement system, not two.

I’m not saying it doesnt I am simply offering my opinion. I am allowed to have an opinion you are attacking me for it. Sprint changes the game by allowing a new flow of combat. Sprinting allows faster movement that is my arguement and it doesn’t take a genius to realise that

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> > > > > > > Just a quick word regarding Sprint potentially increasing the pace of gameplay:
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> > > > > > > That’s bunk. The maps designed in Halo 5 gave been elongated to account for Sprint. All Sprint does in that case, is kill your ability to fight back against someone who is not sprinting. As such, an increase in BMS would accomplish what Sprint does, but also enables you to fight back on Halo 5 maps.
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> > > > > > > Regarding combat options,
> > > > > > > You’re better off running than you are sprinting. Sprinting doesn’t enable you to fight back, so you have to stop sprinting in order to play. Therefore, sprinting increasing combat options is also absolute bunk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are many, many pages of back and forth where this has been proven in greater detail. I suggest anyone curious check those out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong
> > > > >
> > > > > Why, what an intelligent and comprehensive response you have written! I’m so glad you could further our discussion by thoroughly responding to Delta5931’s point with evidence and your own analysis! Great work, chum!
> > > >
> > > > I’m hoping to explain it to him through Xbox party “chum”
> > >
> > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish. If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode. Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table. Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically. People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game. That’s not an arguement. I am simply expressing a point on what I think I could be good idea. There is no need for a flame war.
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> > First off, I’m not going to go into Xbox Live Party for you to explain. If you have something to say to me regarding Sprint, post it here. Otherwise, I’m not interested.
> >
> > Second, you have no backing to prove any aspect of what you’re saying. We, the anti-Sprinters, have proven throughout this thread each of my points. At this point, I’m just reiterating what was said over 10 pages ago. If you can’t back up what you’re saying with any evidence of any kind, then your points are one of the following:
> > - Blatantly false - Unverifiable - FacetiousTake your pick.
> >
> > Additionally, we’re not going to tolerate a classic throwback mode. Sprint affects the entire game, and simply turning it off when it’s already in doesn’t fix the major issues with the system (namely how hitscan weapons behave). The game needs to be built from the ground up for one movement system, not two.
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> I’m not saying it doesnt I am simply offering my opinion. I am allowed to have an opinion you are attacking me for it. Sprint changes the game by allowing a new flow of combat. Sprinting allows faster movement that is my arguement and it doesn’t take a genius to realise that

If anyone’s in the wrong it’s you. I’m expressing my opinion on the thread I’m not starting an arguement you’re just being obnoxious. You should listen to both perspectives of the arguement of sprint and don’t just hate sprint because it changes the flow. It does. I wouldn’t be bothered if 343 didn’t include sprint I’m simply giving an opinion

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> I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.

Explained why for what?
You’ve yet to elaborate on how sprint increases the pacing of the game.
You’ve yet to tell us of more new opportunities bring which are exclusive to sprint and not doable without sprint, outside of essentially “getting away easier”
You’ve yet to explain how sprint, a non-combat mechanic, helps the flow of combat

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> I’m expressing my opinion on the thread

Again, you’re making quite a few claims.
Stating that it increases the pacing of the game, is a claim, a statement. Is there anything to back that up?

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> > > > > > > Just a quick word regarding Sprint potentially increasing the pace of gameplay:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s bunk. The maps designed in Halo 5 gave been elongated to account for Sprint. All Sprint does in that case, is kill your ability to fight back against someone who is not sprinting. As such, an increase in BMS would accomplish what Sprint does, but also enables you to fight back on Halo 5 maps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regarding combat options,
> > > > > > > You’re better off running than you are sprinting. Sprinting doesn’t enable you to fight back, so you have to stop sprinting in order to play. Therefore, sprinting increasing combat options is also absolute bunk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are many, many pages of back and forth where this has been proven in greater detail. I suggest anyone curious check those out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong
> > > > >
> > > > > Why, what an intelligent and comprehensive response you have written! I’m so glad you could further our discussion by thoroughly responding to Delta5931’s point with evidence and your own analysis! Great work, chum!
> > > >
> > > > I’m hoping to explain it to him through Xbox party “chum”
> > >
> > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish. If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode. Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table. Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically. People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game. That’s not an arguement. I am simply expressing a point on what I think I could be good idea. There is no need for a flame war.
> >
> > First off, I’m not going to go into Xbox Live Party for you to explain. If you have something to say to me regarding Sprint, post it here. Otherwise, I’m not interested.
> >
> > Second, you have no backing to prove any aspect of what you’re saying. We, the anti-Sprinters, have proven throughout this thread each of my points. At this point, I’m just reiterating what was said over 10 pages ago. If you can’t back up what you’re saying with any evidence of any kind, then your points are one of the following:
> > - Blatantly false - Unverifiable - FacetiousTake your pick.
> >
> > Additionally, we’re not going to tolerate a classic throwback mode. Sprint affects the entire game, and simply turning it off when it’s already in doesn’t fix the major issues with the system (namely how hitscan weapons behave). The game needs to be built from the ground up for one movement system, not two.
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> I’m not saying it doesnt I am simply offering my opinion. I am allowed to have an opinion you are attacking me for it. Sprint changes the game by allowing a new flow of combat. Sprinting allows faster movement that is my arguement and it doesn’t take a genius to realise that

I’m not attacking you, I’m offering a dissenting opinion. In the argumentative process, you point out flaws in logic or thinking in your opponent’s statements. That’s how this works. It’s not an attack on you or anything else, it’s just how people argue in a civilized manner.

You’re not explaining why sprinting gives a new flow to combat. If anything, it doesn’t. You run into a combat encounter, and you’re forced to stop sprinting in order to fight. With a higher Base Movement Speed, you’re allowed to enter a combat encounter while also coming in swinging. So if anything, not having Sprint is more beneficial because combat encounters can actually be fought, as opposed to ran away from.
It also isn’t a faster form of movement, really, because the maps are elongated to account for it. In reality, you’re just moving at “normal” speed.

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> > > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish.
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> > > And how is that rubbish?
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> > > > If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode.
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> > > Why only a classic game mode? Why not a classic game?
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> > > Of course every attempt at a classic game mode hasn’t worked since Reach.
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> > > > Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table.
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> > > You’re going to have to do more than repeat “utter rubbish” in order to get your point across. You talked about “more opportunities”, but Naqser said that it basically devolves down to “running away” and “map design.”
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> > > > Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically.
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> > > No one ever said moving faster was wrong, only that Sprint was the wrong way to do it. You can move faster withou thaving a Sprint mechanic in the game.
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> > > > People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game.
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> > > I guess we’re playing the No True Scotsman game now? What is this mechanic marks the difference between a “true” Halo game and one that isn’t?
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> > Through Man cannons. I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.
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> Which are present on very, very few maps.
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> Again. We have proven that Sprint heavily breaks the game. If you aren’t going to bother reading through our posts, why should we bother reading yours or paying attention to them?

Sprint doesn’t break the game. You can move faster and be able to roam a map faster though I would have the speed not too fast nor too slow to put a steady balance this is my opinion and your right there are few maps with man cannons. Man cannons cover a map almost instantly but sprint increases movement speed by a certain amount. Don’t attack me consider my arguement and make a fair analysis. I’m against the spartan abilities (though I would keep mantle). I have stated why several times why sprint has a point and how it only increases the flow without breaking it or to o much longer me spartan abilities did

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> > I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.
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> Explained why for what?
> You’ve yet to elaborate on how sprint increases the pacing of the game.
> You’ve yet to tell us of more new opportunities bring which are exclusive to sprint and not doable without sprint, outside of essentially “getting away easier”
> You’ve yet to explain how sprint, a non-combat mechanic, helps the flow of combat
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> > I’m expressing my opinion on the thread
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> Again, you’re making quite a few claims.
> Stating that it increases the pacing of the game, is a claim, a statement. Is there anything to back that up?

I have told you it increases the. Possible movement speed of a player

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> > > I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.
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> > Explained why for what?
> > You’ve yet to elaborate on how sprint increases the pacing of the game.
> > You’ve yet to tell us of more new opportunities bring which are exclusive to sprint and not doable without sprint, outside of essentially “getting away easier”
> > You’ve yet to explain how sprint, a non-combat mechanic, helps the flow of combat
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> > > I’m expressing my opinion on the thread
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> > Again, you’re making quite a few claims.
> > Stating that it increases the pacing of the game, is a claim, a statement. Is there anything to back that up?
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> I have told you it increases the. Possible movement speed of a player

I’m trying to say simply it increases the pace

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> > > I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.
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> > Explained why for what?
> > You’ve yet to elaborate on how sprint increases the pacing of the game.
> > You’ve yet to tell us of more new opportunities bring which are exclusive to sprint and not doable without sprint, outside of essentially “getting away easier”
> > You’ve yet to explain how sprint, a non-combat mechanic, helps the flow of combat
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> > > I’m expressing my opinion on the thread
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> > Again, you’re making quite a few claims.
> > Stating that it increases the pacing of the game, is a claim, a statement. Is there anything to back that up?
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> I have told you it increases the. Possible movement speed of a player

That doesn’t explain anything I’ve asked you about.
Pacing, new opportunities, combat flow.

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> I’m trying to say simply it increases the pace

And I’ve asked how it does that.
How does Sprint increase the pacing?
Could you define “pacing”?
And no, stating that it increases the possible speed of a player is not an explanation of how sprint increases the pacing.

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> > > > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish.
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> > > > And how is that rubbish?
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> > > > > If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode.
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> > > > Why only a classic game mode? Why not a classic game?
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> > > > Of course every attempt at a classic game mode hasn’t worked since Reach.
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> > > > > Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table.
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> > > > You’re going to have to do more than repeat “utter rubbish” in order to get your point across. You talked about “more opportunities”, but Naqser said that it basically devolves down to “running away” and “map design.”
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> > > > > Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically.
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> > > > No one ever said moving faster was wrong, only that Sprint was the wrong way to do it. You can move faster withou thaving a Sprint mechanic in the game.
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> > > > > People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game.
> > > >
> > > > I guess we’re playing the No True Scotsman game now? What is this mechanic marks the difference between a “true” Halo game and one that isn’t?
> > >
> > > Through Man cannons. I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.
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> > Which are present on very, very few maps.
> >
> > Again. We have proven that Sprint heavily breaks the game. If you aren’t going to bother reading through our posts, why should we bother reading yours or paying attention to them?
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> Sprint doesn’t break the game. You can move faster and be able to roam a map faster though I would have the speed not too fast nor too slow to put a steady balance this is my opinion and your right there are few maps with man cannons. Man cannons cover a map almost instantly but sprint increases movement speed by a certain amount. Don’t attack me consider my arguement and make a fair analysis. I’m against the spartan abilities (though I would keep mantle). I have stated why several times why sprint has a point and how it only increases the flow without breaking it or to o much longer me spartan abilities did

"You can move faster and be able to roam a map faster"
Again, You can move faster without ever having a Sprint mechanic in the game.

Why is Sprint okay but not increasing Base Movement Speed to sprinting level?

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> > > > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish.
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> > > > And how is that rubbish?
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> > > > > If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode.
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> > > > Why only a classic game mode? Why not a classic game?
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> > > > Of course every attempt at a classic game mode hasn’t worked since Reach.
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> > > > > Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table.
> > > >
> > > > You’re going to have to do more than repeat “utter rubbish” in order to get your point across. You talked about “more opportunities”, but Naqser said that it basically devolves down to “running away” and “map design.”
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> > > > > Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically.
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> > > > No one ever said moving faster was wrong, only that Sprint was the wrong way to do it. You can move faster withou thaving a Sprint mechanic in the game.
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> > > > > People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game.
> > > >
> > > > I guess we’re playing the No True Scotsman game now? What is this mechanic marks the difference between a “true” Halo game and one that isn’t?
> > >
> > > Through Man cannons. I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.
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> > Which are present on very, very few maps.
> >
> > Again. We have proven that Sprint heavily breaks the game. If you aren’t going to bother reading through our posts, why should we bother reading yours or paying attention to them?
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> Sprint doesn’t break the game. You can move faster and be able to roam a map faster though I would have the speed not too fast nor too slow to put a steady balance this is my opinion and your right there are few maps with man cannons. Man cannons cover a map almost instantly but sprint increases movement speed by a certain amount. Don’t attack me consider my arguement and make a fair analysis. I’m against the spartan abilities (though I would keep mantle). I have stated why several times why sprint has a point and how it only increases the flow without breaking it or to o much longer me spartan abilities did

Sprint does not allow you to roam the map faster because, as many have stated, it is up to the designers. A great example is midship in Halo 2 and Truth in Halo 5. Truth was enlarged so while you run faster with sprint, you end up roughly the same place.
Example video: Enhanced Mobility is a Lie in 90 Seconds - YouTube
Map designer have more control when it comes to man cannons because they place them.

Also seriously, no one is attacking you here. We just want to discuss why we think sprint should not be in Halo.

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> > > > > > > > Just a quick word regarding Sprint potentially increasing the pace of gameplay:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That’s bunk. The maps designed in Halo 5 gave been elongated to account for Sprint. All Sprint does in that case, is kill your ability to fight back against someone who is not sprinting. As such, an increase in BMS would accomplish what Sprint does, but also enables you to fight back on Halo 5 maps.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regarding combat options,
> > > > > > > > You’re better off running than you are sprinting. Sprinting doesn’t enable you to fight back, so you have to stop sprinting in order to play. Therefore, sprinting increasing combat options is also absolute bunk.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There are many, many pages of back and forth where this has been proven in greater detail. I suggest anyone curious check those out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why, what an intelligent and comprehensive response you have written! I’m so glad you could further our discussion by thoroughly responding to Delta5931’s point with evidence and your own analysis! Great work, chum!
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m hoping to explain it to him through Xbox party “chum”
> > > >
> > > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish. If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode. Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table. Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically. People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game. That’s not an arguement. I am simply expressing a point on what I think I could be good idea. There is no need for a flame war.
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> > > First off, I’m not going to go into Xbox Live Party for you to explain. If you have something to say to me regarding Sprint, post it here. Otherwise, I’m not interested.
> > >
> > > Second, you have no backing to prove any aspect of what you’re saying. We, the anti-Sprinters, have proven throughout this thread each of my points. At this point, I’m just reiterating what was said over 10 pages ago. If you can’t back up what you’re saying with any evidence of any kind, then your points are one of the following:
> > > - Blatantly false - Unverifiable - FacetiousTake your pick.
> > >
> > > Additionally, we’re not going to tolerate a classic throwback mode. Sprint affects the entire game, and simply turning it off when it’s already in doesn’t fix the major issues with the system (namely how hitscan weapons behave). The game needs to be built from the ground up for one movement system, not two.
> >
> > I’m not saying it doesnt I am simply offering my opinion. I am allowed to have an opinion you are attacking me for it. Sprint changes the game by allowing a new flow of combat. Sprinting allows faster movement that is my arguement and it doesn’t take a genius to realise that
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> I’m not attacking you, I’m offering a dissenting opinion. In the argumentative process, you point out flaws in logic or thinking in your opponent’s statements. That’s how this works. It’s not an attack on you or anything else, it’s just how people argue in a civilized manner.
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> You’re not explaining why sprinting gives a new flow to combat. If anything, it doesn’t. You run into a combat encounter, and you’re forced to stop sprinting in order to fight. With a higher Base Movement Speed, you’re allowed to enter a combat encounter while also coming in swinging. So if anything, not having Sprint is more beneficial because combat encounters can actually be fought, as opposed to ran away from.
> It also isn’t a faster form of movement, really, because the maps are elongated to account for it. In reality, you’re just moving at “normal” speed.

My point doesn’t outlaw logic I am simply saying it increases the flow but by certain amount. You have a valid point and I can sympathise with people who want the classic halo feel back, I know better yet I want it back too but there are certain things we can implement from 343’s take and halo:reach

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> > > > > > Just a quick word regarding Sprint potentially increasing the pace of gameplay:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s bunk. The maps designed in Halo 5 gave been elongated to account for Sprint. All Sprint does in that case, is kill your ability to fight back against someone who is not sprinting. As such, an increase in BMS would accomplish what Sprint does, but also enables you to fight back on Halo 5 maps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding combat options,
> > > > > > You’re better off running than you are sprinting. Sprinting doesn’t enable you to fight back, so you have to stop sprinting in order to play. Therefore, sprinting increasing combat options is also absolute bunk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many, many pages of back and forth where this has been proven in greater detail. I suggest anyone curious check those out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong
> > > >
> > > > Why, what an intelligent and comprehensive response you have written! I’m so glad you could further our discussion by thoroughly responding to Delta5931’s point with evidence and your own analysis! Great work, chum!
> > >
> > > I’m hoping to explain it to him through Xbox party “chum”
> >
> > Yes, because taking a discussion about sprint off of the sprint discussion threat makes a lot of sense!
>
> 1. I’m expressing an opinion on the thread I want to be challenged. But not harassed
> 2. I’m making perfect sense by discussing it with halo players who may have a different take

I’m sorry if you feel harassed, but nobody is harassing you. You’re making perfect sense, sure, but your points are being disproven.

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> > > > > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish.
> > > > >
> > > > > And how is that rubbish?
> > > > >
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> > > > > > If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why only a classic game mode? Why not a classic game?
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course every attempt at a classic game mode hasn’t worked since Reach.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > 2793974233125388;15876:
> > > > > > Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table.
> > > > >
> > > > > You’re going to have to do more than repeat “utter rubbish” in order to get your point across. You talked about “more opportunities”, but Naqser said that it basically devolves down to “running away” and “map design.”
> > > > >
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> > > > > > Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically.
> > > > >
> > > > > No one ever said moving faster was wrong, only that Sprint was the wrong way to do it. You can move faster withou thaving a Sprint mechanic in the game.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess we’re playing the No True Scotsman game now? What is this mechanic marks the difference between a “true” Halo game and one that isn’t?
> > > >
> > > > Through Man cannons. I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.
> > >
> > > Which are present on very, very few maps.
> > >
> > > Again. We have proven that Sprint heavily breaks the game. If you aren’t going to bother reading through our posts, why should we bother reading yours or paying attention to them?
> >
> > Sprint doesn’t break the game. You can move faster and be able to roam a map faster though I would have the speed not too fast nor too slow to put a steady balance this is my opinion and your right there are few maps with man cannons. Man cannons cover a map almost instantly but sprint increases movement speed by a certain amount. Don’t attack me consider my arguement and make a fair analysis. I’m against the spartan abilities (though I would keep mantle). I have stated why several times why sprint has a point and how it only increases the flow without breaking it or to o much longer me spartan abilities did
>
> "You can move faster and be able to roam a map faster"
> Again, You can move faster without ever having a Sprint mechanic in the game.
>
> Why is Sprint okay but not increasing Base Movement Speed to sprinting level?

Your not reading my posts correctly why should I bother with yours? I’m saying that it increases the flows of the game. Sprint allows people to move faster without becoming fast paced like in halo 5 with the Spartan abilities I am expressing an opinion and you asked how and I answered it

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> > > > > > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And how is that rubbish?
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> > > > > > > If people don’t like it I am sure 343 would include a Classic game mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why only a classic game mode? Why not a classic game?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course every attempt at a classic game mode hasn’t worked since Reach.
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> > > > > > > Sprinting isn’t a bad thing in halo and people who simply say it isn’t because it slows down combat is utter rubbish it brings new opportunities to the table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You’re going to have to do more than repeat “utter rubbish” in order to get your point across. You talked about “more opportunities”, but Naqser said that it basically devolves down to “running away” and “map design.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > > Being able to move more quickly to attain a position is more tactical and increases the flow of combat whilst not doing so drastically.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No one ever said moving faster was wrong, only that Sprint was the wrong way to do it. You can move faster withou thaving a Sprint mechanic in the game.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > > People who say that people who want sprint don’t want a true halo game.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess we’re playing the No True Scotsman game now? What is this mechanic marks the difference between a “true” Halo game and one that isn’t?
> > > > >
> > > > > Through Man cannons. I have explained why in the thread. Sprint increases the pace without breaking the game allowing people to move through how about you read what I am trying to say.
> > > >
> > > > Which are present on very, very few maps.
> > > >
> > > > Again. We have proven that Sprint heavily breaks the game. If you aren’t going to bother reading through our posts, why should we bother reading yours or paying attention to them?
> > >
> > > Sprint doesn’t break the game. You can move faster and be able to roam a map faster though I would have the speed not too fast nor too slow to put a steady balance this is my opinion and your right there are few maps with man cannons. Man cannons cover a map almost instantly but sprint increases movement speed by a certain amount. Don’t attack me consider my arguement and make a fair analysis. I’m against the spartan abilities (though I would keep mantle). I have stated why several times why sprint has a point and how it only increases the flow without breaking it or to o much longer me spartan abilities did
> >
> > "You can move faster and be able to roam a map faster"
> > Again, You can move faster without ever having a Sprint mechanic in the game.
> >
> > Why is Sprint okay but not increasing Base Movement Speed to sprinting level?
>
> Your not reading my posts correctly why should I bother with yours? I’m saying that it increases the flows of the game. Sprint allows people to move faster without becoming fast paced like in halo 5 with the Spartan abilities I am expressing an opinion and you asked how and I answered it

All you said was “It increases the flow of the game because you can move faster.” That never answered my question, and that was for Naqser anyway.

My question - the one you keep ignoring & deflecting - is "Why is Sprint okay but not increasing Base Movement Speed to sprinting level?"
I didn’t say anything about Spartan Abilities, nothing about Spartan Charge or Thrusters. This is purely between Sprint and no Sprint.

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> > > > > > > 2533275031935123;15861:
> > > > > > > Just a quick word regarding Sprint potentially increasing the pace of gameplay:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s bunk. The maps designed in Halo 5 gave been elongated to account for Sprint. All Sprint does in that case, is kill your ability to fight back against someone who is not sprinting. As such, an increase in BMS would accomplish what Sprint does, but also enables you to fight back on Halo 5 maps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regarding combat options,
> > > > > > > You’re better off running than you are sprinting. Sprinting doesn’t enable you to fight back, so you have to stop sprinting in order to play. Therefore, sprinting increasing combat options is also absolute bunk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are many, many pages of back and forth where this has been proven in greater detail. I suggest anyone curious check those out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong
> > > > >
> > > > > Why, what an intelligent and comprehensive response you have written! I’m so glad you could further our discussion by thoroughly responding to Delta5931’s point with evidence and your own analysis! Great work, chum!
> > > >
> > > > I’m hoping to explain it to him through Xbox party “chum”
> > >
> > > Yes, because taking a discussion about sprint off of the sprint discussion threat makes a lot of sense!
> >
> > 1. I’m expressing an opinion on the thread I want to be challenged. But not harassed
> > 2. I’m making perfect sense by discussing it with halo players who may have a different take
>
> I’m sorry if you feel harassed, but nobody is harassing you. You’re making perfect sense, sure, but your points are being disproven.

I’m offering an opinion not a debate I wish to hear what other people want in halo infinite but I can’t leave my phone without a notification I feel harassed because I’m constantly asked why sprint is important and I give my reason simply "it gives players the option to increase the flow without breaking the game. Sprint doesn’t break the game it gives a different take

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> > > > Sprint doesn’t slow the pace of the game That’s utter rubbish.
>
> Again. We have proven that Sprint heavily breaks the game.

False.

The only thing you’ve effectively accomplished here is to endlessly complain about why you personally don’t think sprint is good for the game. You’ve proven nothing about it supposedly “breaking,” the game- sprint works just fine in Reach, H4, and H5. Aside from your own griping, there’s nothing “broken,” about those games; nor would Infinite be any worse for the wear with sprint’s inclusion.

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> I’m offering an opinion not a debate I wish to hear what other people want in halo infinite but I can’t leave my phone without a notification I feel harassed because I’m constantly asked why sprint is important and I give my reason simply "it gives players the option to increase the flow without breaking the game. Sprint doesn’t break the game it gives a different take

You don’t want a debate yet you were asking people to talk about it in party chat. This is a discussion forum where you should expect people to challenge your opinions. If you don’t want to discuss it, then just say so and move on to something else because no one is forcing you to reply. Also, this isn’t the thread for Infinite opinions. There’s an entire forum dedicated to that if that’s what you’re wanting to discuss.

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> Absolutely, positively false.
>
> nor would Infinite be any worse for the wear with sprint’s inclusion.

You might wanna look at your own post before telling someone their claim is absolutely positively false.

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> > > > > > > 2793974233125388;15872:
> > > > > > > > 2533275031935123;15861:
> > > > > > > > Just a quick word regarding Sprint potentially increasing the pace of gameplay:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That’s bunk. The maps designed in Halo 5 gave been elongated to account for Sprint. All Sprint does in that case, is kill your ability to fight back against someone who is not sprinting. As such, an increase in BMS would accomplish what Sprint does, but also enables you to fight back on Halo 5 maps.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regarding combat options,
> > > > > > > > You’re better off running than you are sprinting. Sprinting doesn’t enable you to fight back, so you have to stop sprinting in order to play. Therefore, sprinting increasing combat options is also absolute bunk.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There are many, many pages of back and forth where this has been proven in greater detail. I suggest anyone curious check those out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why, what an intelligent and comprehensive response you have written! I’m so glad you could further our discussion by thoroughly responding to Delta5931’s point with evidence and your own analysis! Great work, chum!
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m hoping to explain it to him through Xbox party “chum”
> > > >
> > > > Yes, because taking a discussion about sprint off of the sprint discussion threat makes a lot of sense!
> > >
> > > 1. I’m expressing an opinion on the thread I want to be challenged. But not harassed
> > > 2. I’m making perfect sense by discussing it with halo players who may have a different take
> >
> > I’m sorry if you feel harassed, but nobody is harassing you. You’re making perfect sense, sure, but your points are being disproven.
>
> I’m offering an opinion not a debate I wish to hear what other people want in halo infinite but I can’t leave my phone without a notification I feel harassed because I’m constantly asked why sprint is important and I give my reason simply "it gives players the option to increase the flow without breaking the game. Sprint doesn’t break the game it gives a different take

It’s not harassment if responses are logical an impersonal. Your argument is incorrect and not based in fact, we’ve covered this extensively. It decreases flow, and it doesn’t give a different take, rather it copies a take from Call of Duty. It’s an overused trope in video games. It’s cliche, which is annoying, but even worse, it’s not even balanced well. CoD is an example of balanced sprint and movement abilities. The time to kill is too slow in Halo, among other imbalances, for sprint to be effective.

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> >
> > Again. We have proven that Sprint heavily breaks the game.
>
> Absolutely, positively false. The only thing you’ve effectively accomplished here is to endlessly complain about why you personally don’t think sprint is good for the game. You’ve proven nothing about breaking the game- sprint works just fine in Reach, H4, and H5. Aside from your own griping, there’s nothing “broken,” about those games; nor would Infinite be any worse for the wear with sprint’s inclusion.

And how is this any different from you harassing other people about them wanting Sprint?

You seem to want Sprint so much, yet you never gave a reason, aside from being sarcastic and borderline trolling.

But you’re more than willing to falsify information and exaggerate if it helps you believe Sprint is better.

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I’m still holding to my original opinion of Sprint that I expressed yesterday: that I’d rather have it than be without it.

I just mainly see Sprint as a way to get into the combat faster and to avoid some of the circumstances that can be found in the previous games such as being caught in a slightly too open but necessary to cross area where, if you’re spotted and shot at first, you’re pretty much dead unless you turn out to be the better shot which doesn’t happen as often as some people may want to believe. At least according to my experiences. An unpopular opinion, but I rather liked Halo 4. I thought the campaign was fine - not the best, but fine enough for me to replay it more than once unlike 5’s rather lackluster campaign - , and while many probably sneer at things like the loadouts and ordnance, I didn’t mind them as much as I thought they added to the random fun in certain gametypes like BTB. That said, I didn’t mind seeing them go either. The loadouts aside, I rather enjoyed the maps and the Dominion game mode was one I sunk a lot of time in, second to BTB. And, yes, I enjoyed the inclusion of Sprint as a permanent, non-armor module mechanic.

Admittedly, BTB may be skewing my perspective as that has always been the game mode I enjoyed the most throughout the Halos. I enjoy the bigger maps, the more abundant amount of players, and the chaos that tends to ensue with such battles. To me, when I think of Halo, I’m thinking BTB and the madness that I enjoy in it. My preference for Sprint probably stems from preferring those bigger maps and, with vehicles either destroyed or driven off by drivers without gunners, I like Sprint as an alternative to crossing over the larger distances in order to get to where the main battle is. At times, Sprint was also a good way to better traverse a more out of the way, flanking path to get a better position on the enemy. Similar experiences of the latter in previous Halos without Sprint tended to be, at best, a chore and, at worst, a complete waste when bad luck hits and you cross the path of someone who was thinking the same but they had the better weapon/skill to beat you. So even though I do go back and still play the previous Halos, I do wish for Sprint.

Once battle is joined, I forget about Sprint. I’m in the fight, I want to stay in it, and I’m once more immersed in Halo’s fun run and gun shooting and ducking fighting that I love. If I use Sprint, its to push up when an opening makes itself known or when I want to retreat and try a different path to hit the enemy from. In my eyes, I see Sprint as to better get you into the battle and given you options that are a bit more difficult and slower to do without Sprint.

It goes without saying that Halo 5 has a laundry list of problems (crappy campaign, no split screen, the rather unfun Prometheans to fight, the lack of thought and effort in BTB in their push for Warzone, the REQ system badly needing some work as well, etc.), but when it comes to Sprint I think it was a good choice to add it - at least to me. The Spartan Pound and Charge, I think those can go. Thrust? That can go too. Clambering? Eeeeehhhh…maybe, if nothing else than so that climbable areas are something that map developers won’t have to worry about and the maps - and the combat on those maps - is a bit more straightforward. But Sprint? I’d rather have it than not have it. I don’t find it as “Halo-breaking” as some may like to term it.

But as all things go, that’s my opinion based on my particular way of playing Halo - mainly in BTB. Although Halo 5 was a rather poor addition to the franchise, I’m one of the more optimistic ones who think that 343, having thrown in so much content into 5, is listening to those opinions and will make a better game for Infinite whether they do or don’t decide to keep or remove every little thing that fans may argue about, Sprint included.