The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> Well thankfully they made the right decision in the end. And sprint has continued to evolve ever since, offering players more immersive gameplay, more movement options, and creating more unique combat encounters.

I’m just a regular guy, I can sprint. If it’s immersion you want, shouldn’t a spartan be able to run at full speed with his weapon at the ready? And as for more movement options, you literally have two choices; sprint or don’t don’t sprint, I hardly call that a worthy trade off for the damage it causes to the sandbox

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As a guy that’s in his late 30’s and approaching his 40’s when Halo Infinite comes out, Halo 5 was the first game in the series where I actually felt like the developers had brought a game with modern visuals, effects etc while bringing back proper classic movements like sprint. I grew up in the late 80’s and early 90’s playing games on machines like the Commodore, Apple II and some form of IBM all using 8 inch to 5 1/2 inch floppy disks. I later played on the Classic Macintosh and NES and before getting the original Xbox I had the N64. All the games on these platforms from The Oregon trail, Wolfensten 3d all the way to Zelda:Ocinina of Time that I played had a form of sprint or run or speed boost built into the characters movements. So as much as Halo:CE is a great game, for someone like me I wouldn’t characterize the movements in Halo:CE,2 and 3 as … “classic”.

For a classic gamer like myself, Halo Infinite and other Halo titles moving on from Halo 5 need to have proper classic movements that mimic classic gameplay and human movements that a gamer like myself are accustomed to while bringing the next gen of visuals and tech.

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> All the games on these platforms from The Oregon trail, Wolfensten 3d all the way to Zelda:Ocinina of Time that I played had a form of sprint or run or speed boost built into the characters movements. So as much as Halo:CE is a great game, for someone like me I wouldn’t characterize the movements in Halo:CE,2 and 3 as … “classic”.

Aside from them being completely different genres of games, it doesn’t really matter if the game is old or new. If it has a bad game mechanic in it, then it shouldn’t be in the game. In an open world game like Zelda or The Witcher for example, having a sprint mechanic is perfectly fine, but in an Arena shooter like Halo, it creates more problems than it helps and it shouldn’t be in the game. I also grew up on those old games by the way starting with Atari and NES.

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That’s really odd that you think these classic mechanics that they’ve finally brought to Halo 5 create problems LUKEPOWA , because I’ve found them to be quite useful and enjoyable and actually giving me the options and ability to move how I imagine that a character like Master Chief and Spartans should move. Maybe it’s just me being an athlete that’s always looking to move in new ways and push limits that I can’t stand having to move slowly in the newer generation mechanics of Halo:CE-4. I can’t imagine having to go back to modern mechanics of slowly moving around a map, it would be like having to compete with sandbags attached to your whole body. Nah, sorry the classic mechanics are what’s needed in an arena setting. You didn’t see MadMax fighting for his life in the ThunderDome by just crouch jumping around. Pretty sure he had more mobility options than that.

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> That’s really odd that you think these classic mechanics that they’ve finally brought to Halo 5 create problems LUKEPOWA , because I’ve found them to be quite useful and enjoyable and actually giving me the options and ability to move how I imagine that a character like Master Chief and Spartans should move. Maybe it’s just me being an athlete that’s always looking to move in new ways and push limits that I can’t stand having to move slowly in the newer generation mechanics of Halo:CE-4. I can’t imagine having to go back to modern mechanics of slowly moving around a map, it would be like having to compete with sandbags attached to your whole body. Nah, sorry the classic mechanics are what’s needed in an arena setting.

What do you mean by “finally brought in”? Sprint has been around since Reach. Thruster Pack was an Armor Ability in 4 which replaced Evade in Reach. The only entirely new abilities are Spartan Charge and Ground Pound, which just use the already existing Thruster Pack in different ways.

You’re trying to compare gameplay mechanics to real life movement, which will never actually happen. If you want a petty arguement, you can still only punch with one hand, awkwardly and once every 2 seconds instead of a flurry of punches like an actual brawler.

If you want a real argument, Spartans still die as soon as they step foot underwater.

So why is the argument for keeping Sprint because of realism, but not…every other mechanic in the game?

The movement mechanics and how fast they make you move are two different things. For an easy example, see DOOM. Look at how fast DOOM plays without Sprint. You couldn’t recreate that speed in Halo 5 at all, even with Sprint. Many people, even at the higher level, consider Halo CE to be the fastest Halo game to date.

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> You didn’t see MadMax fighting for his life in the ThunderDome by just crouch jumping around. Pretty sure he had more mobility options than that.

Well Mad Max is a movie, right there it’s centered in some level of realism because it is a real actor moving around instead of a controller providing the inputs.

If you mean Mad Max the video game, well of course he does. He could barely jump in the game and moved at a snail’s pace across the wasteland without his vehicle.

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> That’s really odd that you think these classic mechanics that they’ve finally brought to Halo 5 create problems LUKEPOWA , because I’ve found them to be quite useful and enjoyable and actually giving me the options and ability to move how I imagine that a character like Master Chief and Spartans should move.

Also slide, clamber and stabilizers as well to add to Vegeto’s list of new abilities, but I was referring to sprint in my previous comment since it’s what the discussion is about. It’s not really odd when you know all the negatives that sprint causes which you can also read throughout this thread if you’re wondering. Yeah, sprint and other abilities as well can give you more mobility and a couple have less impact on the game than others, but most of them have negatives which outweigh the positives for gameplay. If it was the other way around, then I would have a much favorable opinion of sprint and the other abilities.

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This threads still going?

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> > That’s really odd that you think these classic mechanics that they’ve finally brought to Halo 5 create problems LUKEPOWA , because I’ve found them to be quite useful and enjoyable and actually giving me the options and ability to move how I imagine that a character like Master Chief and Spartans should move. Maybe it’s just me being an athlete that’s always looking to move in new ways and push limits that I can’t stand having to move slowly in the newer generation mechanics of Halo:CE-4. I can’t imagine having to go back to modern mechanics of slowly moving around a map, it would be like having to compete with sandbags attached to your whole body. Nah, sorry the classic mechanics are what’s needed in an arena setting.
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> If you mean Mad Max the video game, well of course he does. He could barely jump in the game and moved at a snail’s pace across the wasteland without his vehicle.

He’s referencing the old Mario games, that’s what he means by calling the advanced movements “classic”.
But why Mario though, why not go back to Pong?

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i do kinda disagree with the thrusters and spartan charge and all that but i think it wouldn’t be bad to just keep the sprint itself

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> i do kinda disagree with the thrusters and spartan charge and all that but i think it wouldn’t be bad to just keep the sprint itself

Aside from the fact that it’s really messed up hitscan weapons?

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Honestly guys this thread has been going on for a long time, don’t you have anything better to do with your time?

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Couldn’t agree more. Sadly though, you’re likely going to get shot down for this opinion.

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It’s not like we’re patrolling the thread or something 24/7.
I just have it set to remind me whenever someone makes a post, and I’ll respond if I feel it’s necessary. Nothing wrong with that.

Honestly, you don’t contribute anything to the conversation by complaining about the conversation.

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This is a discussion forum. Are you really going to to criticize people for discussing something on it?

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Isn’t that hypocritical of you? Don’t you have a series of posts here, with some as recently as the previous page?

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Hey man, consider it what you like. It is ironic that I’ve furthered this thread, but it’s my opinion that this thread is just replaying the same series of arguments again and again. If this thread took a different direction, I‘d probably just lurk here, you wouldn’t even hear from me. I’m just trying to tell people that this thread is stagnant if not a little hostile.

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> Hey man, consider it what you like. It is ironic that I’ve furthered this thread, but it’s my opinion that this thread is just replaying the same series of arguments again and again. If this thread took a different direction, I‘d probably just lurk here, you wouldn’t even hear from me. I’m just trying to tell people that this thread is stagnant if not a little hostile.

That’s almost entirely because people come in here and say pretty much exactly the same thing as someone else said before, without having read any prior posts.

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> Hey man, consider it what you like. It is ironic that I’ve furthered this thread, but it’s my opinion that this thread is just replaying the same series of arguments again and again. If this thread took a different direction, I‘d probably just lurk here, you wouldn’t even hear from me. I’m just trying to tell people that this thread is stagnant if not a little hostile.

“Replaying the same series of arguments”? If those arguments are valid, why is that a problem? If they aren’t valid, what makes them invalid? (give examples)

What kind of direction would you want the discussion to take and why? If that’s what you want, why don’t you try to make it happen?

Stagnant and hostile? And you think “warning” people who try to get into the discussion (and using provocative language) is a good way to circumvent that?

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That’s one of the big problems of course, but an inevitability in a 700+ page thread. The other problem though is that the reactions repeat too. That means this thread just sinks into a six-page crypt of other threads before burning back to life for a day or 2, only to be filled with the same contents. If all we’re doing here is repeating ourselves, all I’m saying is “why keep going?”.

If if you guys are so passionate about sprint, isn’t it far more prudent to take this to the Infinite forums? Then there might be a twinge of speculation about mobility n the next game rather than this whole BMS debacle.

Not to to mention that the Infinite forum might make your opinions more visible to the devs, considering that that’s the official forum for the next mainline Halo game.

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> > Hey man, consider it what you like. It is ironic that I’ve furthered this thread, but it’s my opinion that this thread is just replaying the same series of arguments again and again. If this thread took a different direction, I‘d probably just lurk here, you wouldn’t even hear from me. I’m just trying to tell people that this thread is stagnant if not a little hostile.
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> Stagnant and hostile? And you think “warning” people who try to get into the discussion (and using provocative language) is a good way to circumvent that?

I’m not saying they’re invalid. All I’m saying is that we can take all this passion somewhere else! Wouldn’t this time be much better spent talking about Infinite? The game is still in development, so you can voice your opinions, possibly have them seen by the devs, and get what you want in there! Isn’t that overall better than just reiterating an established point on the H5 forums? If you don’t like sprint, isn’t it better to try to keep it out of the next game rather than simply talking about it on a game that’s dead update-wise?

Also, I do think that the thread is stagnant and hostile. We’ve been talking about the same point for a while now. We’re switching between BMS and the super soldier argument, with no end in sight. Not to mention that the anti-sprint side has a big dominance here that often ends in 4v1 arguments.

If you’re going to make a point about hostility, do refrain from a tu quoque fallacy and passive aggression. I’m tired of fencing that kind of “argument”.

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> Honestly, you don’t contribute anything to the conversation by complaining about the conversation.

You know what’s sad this thread. This thread is 2 years old and this thread is 782 pages long I know I’m adding to this but this proves 343 won’t listen to anyone in the community even after 3 long years