The sprint discussion thread

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> I think it adds depth to halos gameplay because of the elements it brings to the table during gameplay such as movement speed, the need for quickly getting from one location to another, as well as more sudden sudden gunfights and the overall speed of the game is increase with sprinting. Just making it to where players can’t sprint while taking damage, having a cool down, and shields not recharging while sprinting would make it really balanced I think. Plus sprint jumping and with the addition of thruster pack and boost sliding can move players around very quickly which opens up the need for larger or more crowded maps that would strengthen variety.

Neither of the things you just described are something sprint adds to the game.
BMS can be increased, has been increased in fact since the Beta. You needed to get from one location to another just as much in sprint-less Halo games as you do in sprint games. Sudden gunfights also happened despite sprint being out of the game. Lastly, the “Overall speed of the game” has been debated to actually be slower with sprint, although, there are many factors weighing in on the speed of the game, however you want to define that then
If you mean sensation of speed, then FoV, slight motion blur, more bobbing and so forth help with that sensation immensly.

Crowded maps don’t really function with sprint as cover is plenty and kills become more rare. Or alternatively, no one use sprint and it becomes redundant.
Small maps, the size of Guardian, are missing, the Forge remake of Lockout in Halo 4 was larger and got poor reviews by the users. It was larger to accomodate sprint.

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> I’m a huge fan of the classic halo gameplay, halo CE is still my all time favorite halo game next to halo 2, and with slower movement and limited mobility it really tests your overall skill at halo when it comes to winning a game, every decision is more important because you don’t have the ability to get yourself out of engagements very easily. I think however by adding sprint halo becomes faster paced and more competitive. The decisions you make in halo 5 need to be faster if you want to come out on top because of how quickly the game plays. I think it should stay because of these influences but a playlist that reverts to the classic feel of halo should be integrated as well.

Halo CE - 3 all had the same movement speeds, FoV changed for the smaller with each title.
As I already mentioned, people argue sprint decrease the pace of the game, I’d like to ask how pace is increased when maps are relatively the same in terms of time to travel, while all you get is a slight speed boost forward. It’s a non-combat mechanic, you do not use it in combat. It provides a small speed boost between encounters, but the encounters use BMS, and a slight boost in BMS would nullify the “need” for sprint, if you want to increase the pace of the game ( and we need to remember there are other factors regarding game pace than just forward movement speed, becasue that’s what sprint provides to the player ).
Classic playlists don’t work out well due to the sandbox being made for the Vanilla experience, buttons being empty that could work with other mechanics still left.

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> I think all the necessary adjustments that should be made to sprint have been layed out, halo five nailed it pretty well but adding some sort of limit to sprint would perfect I think. Sprint isn’t a necessity and that’s why I love the older halos so much, but sprinting adds another depth to halos combat that just feels cemented. Maybe having playlists with classic movement should be implemented and let the community have a mix of both.

If Sprint isn’t a necessity, why are we so adamant to keep it in some shape or form?

If Sprint adds a depth to Halo that’s “cemented” that apparently nothing else can replicate, then that means Sprint is a necessity, right?

Can’t really have it both ways here.

There is nothing wrong with Sprint. It just makes it easier get around.

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> There is nothing wrong with Sprint. It just makes it easier get around.

There’s 700+ pages that disagree with you, but okay.
You going to back that up with facts or data, or do we need to bring up increases BMS which does exactly the same thing as Sprint but allows you to shoot at the same time?
Halo 5 isn’t even the fastest in the series in terms of movement speed. Halo CE is.

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> There is nothing wrong with Sprint. It just makes it easier get around.

I mean, you’re just going to ignore over 750 pages of back and forth about it?

How is it any easier to get around than just walking really fast? That’s one less button to push. Sounds easier to me.

Keep sprint it makes it faster and easier to move around

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> Keep sprint it makes it faster and easier to move around

And here come the same 4 or 5 guys who’ve made it their day job to crusade against Sprint…

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> And here come the same 4 or 5 guys who’ve made it their day job to crusade against Sprint…

I mean, forgive me for asking someone to explain themselves about Sprint in a topic about Sprint full of people who have strong feelings (in either direction) about Sprint.

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> And here come the same 4 or 5 guys who’ve made it their day job to crusade against Sprint…

When someone enters a thread that’s closing in on 800 pages of controversial debate and supports one side with a statement that’s not much more than 4 or 5 words, what exactly do you expect?

Of all the participants in this thread, I have one hell of a lot more respect for those who continue to stick with their beliefs and challenge others to back up their own beliefs with a little thought… regardless of their ‘day job’… than those who pop in here like it’s a place to throw down their vote and [very] briefly state why. The hundreds of previous pages make it abundantly clear that the discussion has moved past that long ago. Yet some still make those posts that appear to completely disregard any previous discussion, which makes their post come across as rude at worst, ignorant at best.

It doesn’t take that much effort to pick out even a few random pages throughout the discussion and read them to get some context or at least see if a person’s single sentence answer hasn’t already been posted and discussed ad nauseum. It also isn’t too much to ask considering the size and scope of this discussion.

At least those ‘4 or 5 people’, from my experience, put some thought into their statements and give some acknowledgement to what’s already been discussed. Snide comments on the internet are a dime a dozen and their value isn’t going up. If you want to add something productive, how about focusing more on the points that keep being made than who keeps making them.

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> When someone enters a thread that’s closing in on 800 pages of controversial debate and supports one side with a statement that’s not much more than 4 or 5 words, what exactly do you expect?
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> Of all the participants in this thread, I have one hell of a lot more respect for those who continue to stick with their beliefs and challenge others to back up their own beliefs with a little thought… regardless of their ‘day job’… than those who pop in here like it’s a place to throw down their vote and [very] briefly state why. The hundreds of previous pages make it abundantly clear that the discussion has moved past that long ago. Yet some still make those posts that appear to completely disregard any previous discussion, which makes their post come across as rude at worst, ignorant at best.
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> At least those ‘4 or 5 people’, from my experience, put some thought into their statements and give some acknowledgement to what’s already been discussed. Snide comments on the internet are a dime a dozen and their value isn’t going up. If you want to add something productive, how about focusing more on the points that keep being made than who keeps making them.

That’s 2, we just need 1 or 2 more and a certain moderator…

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> Keep sprint it makes it faster and easier to move around

Why not increase the BMS instead of adding sprint if we want to make “it” faster?
Also, how does an slight increase in forward momentum only, make it easier to move around on a map scaled and designed for sprint?

Edit: Post #15 555, nice

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> Also, how does an slight increase in forward momentum only, make it easier to move around on a map scaled and designed for sprint?
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There’s the third…

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> > Also, how does an slight increase in forward momentum only, make it easier to move around on a map scaled and designed for sprint?
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You’re not exactly contributing anything to the discussion by simply listing off numbers.

Here’s how it’s done:
There are over 750 pages of dialogue here. Back and forth.
Time and time again, we’ve shown that Sprint does nothing to enhance the experience, and at worst, detracts from the overall flow of gameplay and balance.
As such, the only logical next step is to remove sprint. There’s 750 pages for you to sift through to understand why these “crusaders” are against Sprint. I suggest you do so.

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> Here’s how it’s done:
> There are over 750 pages of dialogue here. Back and forth.
> Time and time again, we’ve shown that Sprint does nothing to enhance the experience, and at worst, detracts from the overall flow of gameplay and balance.
> As such, the only logical next step is to remove sprint. There’s 750 pages for you to sift through to understand why these “crusaders” are against Sprint. I suggest you do so.

Oh, believe me, if I didn’t know about how this particular thread operated, I wouldn’t have gone through the trouble of poking fun at you 5. The reason I did it was more banter than anything, but it was so hilariously effective at riling you guys up that I got my amusement nonetheless. It actually even got someone I never even considered to be one of your crusader bunch.

By the way, those 750 pages of dialogue lose quite a bit of weight when you consider that it’s one post (pro sprint) subsequently being ganged up on by 5 others over and over ad nauseam. This would have had a bit of virtue if it was different arguments presented each time, but no. It’s the same “iNcrEAse bMS” repeated over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. I’m not getting back into this “Sprint or No Sprint” rabbit hole because I know how it’ll play out and who’ll do it. It’s a practice of tedium.

So here’s my message to you and anyone who happens to stumble upon this thread: don’t bother. This thread is more or less a repetition of the same argument and at this point is run by the same 5 or 6 people repackaging the same talking point 24/7.

The fact that you people are still dragging this on doesn’t shine well on your image, number four.

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> > > > Also, how does an slight increase in forward momentum only, make it easier to move around on a map scaled and designed for sprint?
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> > There are over 750 pages of dialogue here. Back and forth.
> > Time and time again, we’ve shown that Sprint does nothing to enhance the experience, and at worst, detracts from the overall flow of gameplay and balance.
> > As such, the only logical next step is to remove sprint. There’s 750 pages for you to sift through to understand why these “crusaders” are against Sprint. I suggest you do so.
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> Oh, believe me, if I didn’t know about how this particular thread operated, I wouldn’t have gone through the trouble of poking fun at you 5. The reason I did it was more banter than anything, but it was so hilariously effective at riling you guys up that I got my amusement nonetheless. It actually even got someone I never even considered to be one of your crusader bunch.
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So you’re just admitting that you’re off topic and trying to stir up discourse from other people while insulting them on top of it? Thanks for making it easy at least.

I mean, all it takes to stop the “same 5 or 6 people repackaging the same talking point 24/7” is to actually disprove what they are saying. Forgive me for trying to come up with a solution such as “iNcrEAse bMS”, because no one actually said why we can’t do that, and it looks like you don’t intend to ether.

Your “message” loses weight when you try to stand on your high horse only to realize you’re as gullible as the rest of us, Mr. “Spartans can’t swim or else it’ll shock their brains and kill them.”

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> > There are over 750 pages of dialogue here. Back and forth.
> > Time and time again, we’ve shown that Sprint does nothing to enhance the experience, and at worst, detracts from the overall flow of gameplay and balance.
> > As such, the only logical next step is to remove sprint. There’s 750 pages for you to sift through to understand why these “crusaders” are against Sprint. I suggest you do so.
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You made like 5 posts 8 pages back, they weren’t very strong or convincing and now you lash out. Go read the first 200-300 pages if you wanted a more diverse list of people arguing why sprint is bad.

How can all the most popular shooter games not have sprint, or not have powerful defensive movement and be largely successful, and the ones that do die out?
I suppose if you can’t attack the opinion then attacking the posters is the only option.

I can’t speak for others but i only offer my 2c because i want halo to be vibrant and populated again (and feel like halo) and the key thing stopping that from happening is sprint.
Same problem happened in H4, they used flavour of the month mechanics that went at odds with the games other mechanics, then BO2 released a week later and single-handedly killed the population because the mechanics in that game all served a purpose and weren’t a complete mess.

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Do I get a trophy for participating? I’m not going to criticize you or the other guy before I get my trophy. I’ve been here almost two years now. I deserve my trophy. I’m not leaving here without it.

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Best I could do on short notice… it kinda looks like a trophy… yes? :wink:

Edit: Guess not… stupid formatting… sad face.

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Well, you tried. It’s all that matters.

Well, with Halo Infinite revealed and all, I guess this thread doesn’t matter anymore…