The sprint discussion thread

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> > Is there anyone here with a month off work and absolutely no interests outside of reading these forums? If so, it would be great to consolidate all the pros and cons of sprint from the last 700 pages into one post so that everyone is clear on the argument when they go to post.
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> That would have to be the OP or a mod that is capable of editing the very first post which is the most likely to be seen.

I would love to do it if someone did decent enough job with it. I considered it myself at some point, but it felt like a daunting task that I wasn’t prepared to do, so I gave up.

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> > > Is there anyone here with a month off work and absolutely no interests outside of reading these forums? If so, it would be great to consolidate all the pros and cons of sprint from the last 700 pages into one post so that everyone is clear on the argument when they go to post.
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> > That would have to be the OP or a mod that is capable of editing the very first post which is the most likely to be seen.
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> I would love to do it if someone did decent enough job with it. I considered it myself at some point, but it felt like a daunting task that I wasn’t prepared to do, so I gave up.

It is very daunting lol over 14k posts.

Maybe instead of a pros and cons list, one can compile very noteworthy posts?

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> Is there anyone here with a month off work and absolutely no interests outside of reading these forums? If so, it would be great to consolidate all the pros and cons of sprint from the last 700 pages into one post so that everyone is clear on the argument when they go to post. While I think there would be a greater audience for a classic style game, Halo 5 presents a unique style of game play that could be fleshed out further and be its own thing one day. I don’t think it should be a mainline Halo as it does not respect the series identity whatsoever although in the same way that different spin-offs had you play as ODST’s or Spartan III’s maybe there could be a spin-off that continues the spartan IV’s H5 style movement system. I think mainline Halo’s should definitely respect the classic formula though.
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> I hope everyone can get the game they truly want one day. All the best and good discussion guys! It’s really cool to see how much depth people can go into when they explain their points. I still think sprint is incompatible with classic Halo but if it were separated entirely from the main Halo experience, this new style would have more freedom to express itself without having to tie itself to the classic formula.

Ah man that’d be great but super time consuming and tedious. I don’t think that a computer program would even work to do it because there’s no way to sort those kinds of things (logical, backed up points vs ridiculous ones)

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> > Is there anyone here with a month off work and absolutely no interests outside of reading these forums? If so, it would be great to consolidate all the pros and cons of sprint from the last 700 pages into one post so that everyone is clear on the argument when they go to post. While I think there would be a greater audience for a classic style game, Halo 5 presents a unique style of game play that could be fleshed out further and be its own thing one day. I don’t think it should be a mainline Halo as it does not respect the series identity whatsoever although in the same way that different spin-offs had you play as ODST’s or Spartan III’s maybe there could be a spin-off that continues the spartan IV’s H5 style movement system. I think mainline Halo’s should definitely respect the classic formula though.
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> > I hope everyone can get the game they truly want one day. All the best and good discussion guys! It’s really cool to see how much depth people can go into when they explain their points. I still think sprint is incompatible with classic Halo but if it were separated entirely from the main Halo experience, this new style would have more freedom to express itself without having to tie itself to the classic formula.
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> Ah man that’d be great but super time consuming and tedious. I don’t think that a computer program would even work to do it because there’s no way to sort those kinds of things (logical, backed up points vs ridiculous ones)

Maybe if enough people were willing to work on it you could try and have a bunch of people do 50 page each.

Have any of you seen this?

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> Have any of you seen this?

Top keks. I thought he was serious at first.

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> > Have any of you seen this?
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> Top keks. I thought he was serious at first.

Yeah, not a whole lot of great points were made in this one. You can go to the comments and see what The Act Man and MultiLockOn have to say if anyone cares.

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> Have any of you seen this?

I cringed on cringe levels that shouldn’t be cringeable.

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> Have any of you seen this?

Dear god…

“don’t use sprint”- why penalize yourself?

laughs at sprint effecting maps design- does it not elongate areas and stretch things? Have people not done BMS comparisons between sprint showing travel time differences and such?

“it’s a game, have fun”- why have fun if there’s something blocking your way of having fun? He’s essentially telling people to just pretend a bad design isn’t there, wish I could just pretend my own problems don’t exist.

“It’s lore”- lore doesn’t equate to good gameplay, most games that do that tend to break the gameplay doing so.

“Go play mcc or older games”- this is the one that actually irked me the most. Going back to older games isn’t continuation, it’s going back to what’s been done. Maybe I should tell him to go play H4-5 “if” H6 were to remove it, I’d love to see his response on that. H2 wasn’t copying CE and H3 wasn’t copying H2, so I don’t see how making H6 like H1-3 but with actual improvements would be playing “the same game”.

i love favryns comment saying the dude wasn’t even worth his own time to argue vs, and the act man saying he was so confused and calling them out as very weak and disorganized arguements which I fully agree to.

also love /s the “stop whining remark” from the dude in the video, so typical to see when people bring up issues.

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> > Have any of you seen this?
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> I cringed on cringe levels that shouldn’t be cringeable.

^^^^so much this. Loved favryn going(comment section) “thought this was a parody until the end…then I realized this is real” and then says he just wasn’t worth the time and bows out.

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> > Have any of you seen this?
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> Dear god…
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> “don’t use sprint”- why penalize yourself?
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> laughs at sprint effecting maps design- does it not elongate areas and stretch things? Have people not done BMS comparisons between sprint showing travel time differences and such?
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> “it’s a game, have fun”- why have fun if there’s something blocking your way of having fun? He’s essentially telling people to just pretend a bad design isn’t there, wish I could just pretend my own problems don’t exist.
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> “It’s lore”- lore doesn’t equate to good gameplay, most games that do that tend to break the gameplay doing so.
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> “Go play mcc or older games”- this is the one that actually irked me the most. Going back to older games isn’t continuation, it’s going back to what’s been done. Maybe I should tell him to go play H4-5 “if” H6 were to remove it, I’d love to see his response on that. H2 wasn’t copying CE and H3 wasn’t copying H2, so I don’t see how making H6 like H1-3 but with actual improvements would be playing “the same game”.
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> i love favryns comment saying the dude wasn’t even worth his own time to argue vs, and the act man saying he was so confused and calling them out as very weak and disorganized arguements which I fully agree to.
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> also love /s the “stop whining remark” from the dude in the video, so typical to see when people bring up issues.
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> > > Have any of you seen this?
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> > I cringed on cringe levels that shouldn’t be cringeable.
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> ^^^^so much this. Loved favryn going(comment section) “thought this was a parody until the end…then I realized this is real” and then says he just wasn’t worth the time and bows out.

Considering the outright ignorance/denial of the affects of sprint in Halo from some of the people in the comments (one was apparently so upset by Favyn’s point of view on the video and sprint as a whole that they told him to essentially “get a life”, as if that insult hasn’t been thrown at people who have a passion for something for ages), it astounds me how people can still outright defend it the way they do. I understand if you like sprint despite the changes it made to the formula, but to outright deny that there was any change just seems ludicrous to me.

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> > Have any of you seen this?
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> Dear god…
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> “don’t use sprint”- why penalize yourself?
>
> laughs at sprint effecting maps design- does it not elongate areas and stretch things? Have people not done BMS comparisons between sprint showing travel time differences and such?
>
> “it’s a game, have fun”- why have fun if there’s something blocking your way of having fun? He’s essentially telling people to just pretend a bad design isn’t there, wish I could just pretend my own problems don’t exist.
>
> “It’s lore”- lore doesn’t equate to good gameplay, most games that do that tend to break the gameplay doing so.
>
> “Go play mcc or older games”- this is the one that actually irked me the most. Going back to older games isn’t continuation, it’s going back to what’s been done. Maybe I should tell him to go play H4-5 “if” H6 were to remove it, I’d love to see his response on that. H2 wasn’t copying CE and H3 wasn’t copying H2, so I don’t see how making H6 like H1-3 but with actual improvements would be playing “the same game”.
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> i love favryns comment saying the dude wasn’t even worth his own time to argue vs, and the act man saying he was so confused and calling them out as very weak and disorganized arguements which I fully agree to.
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> also love /s the “stop whining remark” from the dude in the video, so typical to see when people bring up issues.
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> > > Have any of you seen this?
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> > I cringed on cringe levels that shouldn’t be cringeable.
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> ^^^^so much this. Loved favryn going(comment section) “thought this was a parody until the end…then I realized this is real” and then says he just wasn’t worth the time and bows out.

It honestly seemed like it was a parody for a while. Videos like that are why people shouldn’t be valuing a youtubers opinion over any old player. There isn’t anything making them more right just because they’re popular. All of his points were simple minded and badly thought out.

The essence of the last few posts in this thread:

> “Look at how bad this video is.”
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> “Haha, it’s really bad.”
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> “Yeah, it’s terrible.”
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> “Yep, it’s terrible.”

I’m not sure what we’re supposed to get out of discussing something we clearly unanimously agree on. Feels like we’re just making fun of someone because we think their opinion is ridiuculous, and I’m not really a fan of that. Just something I wanted to point out.

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> The essence of the last few posts in this thread:
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> > “Look at how bad this video is.”
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> > “Haha, it’s really bad.”
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> > “Yeah, it’s terrible.”
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> > “Yep, it’s terrible.”
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> I’m not sure what we’re supposed to get out of discussing something we clearly unanimously agree on. Feels like we’re just making fun of someone because we think their opinion is ridiuculous, and I’m not really a fan of that. Just something I wanted to point out.

Considering how quiet this thread has been for the past few days or so, I don’t see much discussion going on at all.

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> The essence of the last few posts in this thread:
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> > “Look at how bad this video is.”
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> > “Haha, it’s really bad.”
> >
> > “Yeah, it’s terrible.”
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> > “Yep, it’s terrible.”
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> I’m not sure what we’re supposed to get out of discussing something we clearly unanimously agree on. Feels like we’re just making fun of someone because we think their opinion is ridiuculous, and I’m not really a fan of that. Just something I wanted to point out.

Well there really hasn’t been any discussion on this thread, which I’m a little disappointed about.

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> > The essence of the last few posts in this thread:
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> > > “Look at how bad this video is.”
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> > > “Haha, it’s really bad.”
> > >
> > > “Yeah, it’s terrible.”
> > >
> > > “Yep, it’s terrible.”
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> > I’m not sure what we’re supposed to get out of discussing something we clearly unanimously agree on. Feels like we’re just making fun of someone because we think their opinion is ridiuculous, and I’m not really a fan of that. Just something I wanted to point out.
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> Well there really hasn’t been any discussion on this thread, which I’m a little disappointed about.

No discussion on this thread??? Are you kidding me?!?! I know you won’t but start on page 1 and go from there. There has been tons of discussion on this thread, trust me.

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> No discussion on this thread??? Are you kidding me?!?! I know you won’t but start on page 1 and go from there. There has been tons of discussion on this thread, trust me.

There is discussion, but whenever I randomly click this thread it’s usually the same recycled arguments that have been discussed a thousand times already. Maybe I’ve missed the new ones in-between my clicks though?

My opinion is still to get rid of sprint in H6 and increase the base movement speed, but I’d be shocked if 343 actually did that though.

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> > No discussion on this thread??? Are you kidding me?!?! I know you won’t but start on page 1 and go from there. There has been tons of discussion on this thread, trust me.
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> There is discussion, but whenever I randomly click this thread it’s usually the same recycled arguments that have been discussed a thousand times already. Maybe I’ve missed the new ones in-between my clicks though?
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> My opinion is still to get rid of sprint in H6, but I’d be shocked if 343 actually did that though.

I hear ya and agree. I think most of the arguments have been said and discussed but just pointing out that there has been and a lot of really good ones.

Ya I would be super shocked too if they did. I think Halo needs to bomb for them to do that.

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> > > No discussion on this thread??? Are you kidding me?!?! I know you won’t but start on page 1 and go from there. There has been tons of discussion on this thread, trust me.
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> > There is discussion, but whenever I randomly click this thread it’s usually the same recycled arguments that have been discussed a thousand times already. Maybe I’ve missed the new ones in-between my clicks though?
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> > My opinion is still to get rid of sprint in H6, but I’d be shocked if 343 actually did that though.
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> I hear ya and agree. I think most of the arguments have been said and discussed but just pointing out that there has been and a lot of really good ones.
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> Ya I would be super shocked too if they did. I think Halo needs to bomb for them to do that.

I think the safest bet would be to make a spinoff. You can test the market for a non sprint Halo and appeal some old fans. Maybe give some more time for Halo 6’s story too. The critical and commercial success of a non sprint Halo should be what determines whether the new movement mechanics are in the series.

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> > > The essence of the last few posts in this thread:
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> > > > “Look at how bad this video is.”
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> > > > “Haha, it’s really bad.”
> > > >
> > > > “Yeah, it’s terrible.”
> > > >
> > > > “Yep, it’s terrible.”
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> > > I’m not sure what we’re supposed to get out of discussing something we clearly unanimously agree on. Feels like we’re just making fun of someone because we think their opinion is ridiuculous, and I’m not really a fan of that. Just something I wanted to point out.
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> > Well there really hasn’t been any discussion on this thread, which I’m a little disappointed about.
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> No discussion on this thread??? Are you kidding me?!?! I know you won’t but start on page 1 and go from there. There has been tons of discussion on this thread, trust me.

Haha, I just mean currently. I’ve been voicing my opinions and having discussions in this thread a lot, I just mean there hasn’t been any discussion in the last few pages/for the last couple if weeks.

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> > > > The essence of the last few posts in this thread:
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> > > >
> > > > > “Look at how bad this video is.”
> > > > >
> > > > > “Haha, it’s really bad.”
> > > > >
> > > > > “Yeah, it’s terrible.”
> > > > >
> > > > > “Yep, it’s terrible.”
> > > >
> > > > I’m not sure what we’re supposed to get out of discussing something we clearly unanimously agree on. Feels like we’re just making fun of someone because we think their opinion is ridiuculous, and I’m not really a fan of that. Just something I wanted to point out.
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> > > Well there really hasn’t been any discussion on this thread, which I’m a little disappointed about.
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> > No discussion on this thread??? Are you kidding me?!?! I know you won’t but start on page 1 and go from there. There has been tons of discussion on this thread, trust me.
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> Haha, I just mean currently. I’ve been voicing my opinions and having discussions in this thread a lot, I just mean there hasn’t been any discussion in the last few pages/for the last couple if weeks.

Exactly this! If you’ve noticed the dates from the last post before tsassi’s post and mine, it was from a little while ago meaning it’s been DAYS or even WEEKS since I or anyone has even touched this thread. I feel like I’m having to defibrillate the thread to keep it from dying just from posting this.