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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
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> > > > > > > > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
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> > > > > > > > > > They wouldn’t outright lie about a concrete statistic. And whatever news you have for me, Icarus, is probably not the most reliable. I seem to recall about a month ago, you trying to make an argument about Halo’s popularity by comparing Machinima views of a video that’s been out for eight years vs a couple months. Here is the counter to that, in case you missed it.
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> > > > > > > > > You’re right, which is why it was specifically stated that Halo 5 SHIPPED over 5 million copies. You can reach your own conclusion as to why that makes a significant difference, but the piles of Collector’s Edition games and consoles sitting at local Gamestops and Best Buys might offer a hint.
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> > > > > > > > If you’re implying that Halo 5 had a massive return rate, then I’d like to remind you that selling your game back is nothing new to Halo or video gaming in general.
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> > > > > > > No, I’m referring to UNSOLD collector’s editions. New ones. The distinction between “shipped” and “sold” has absolutely no relevance to the used game market. Used games have already been sold.
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> > > > > > Source? My first source clearly states “sold” and Frankie didn’t say specify either way.
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> > > > > No, your first source says sold. then someone in response says “5m shipped at the end of 2015,” to which said source says “same thing.” So, yes, it’s 5 million SHIPPED, not sold through. And of course Frankie didn’t specify. He never does. He always says vague nonsense that could be interpreted a bunch of different ways with a slant that implies but doesn’t confirm something favorable for 343.
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> > > > They are pretty much the same thing. How do you know exactly what is meant by shipped? Regardless, you have yet to provide a clear source for the five million figure being shipped, including unsold units. So far, it sounds like you’re just speculating.
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> > > No, they aren’t. It only has one definition in this context, which is the number that was sent to retail. Literally YOUR OWN SOURCE acknowledges that it is the number shipped and every other source I have seen says 5 million shipped. So, maybe YOU should provide a clear source for 5 million SOLD. As for speculation, the only reason a company like 343 has to hide sold through numbers and only talk about units shipped is if the number of games actually sold to customers is less impressive. I’m not speculating what that difference might be, I’m pointing out the objective fact that the difference exists and they are purposefully obfuscating it.
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> > Link me to the tweet where he acknowledges that he made a mistake and that the figures are of shipped. All I’m seeing in the Twitter replies are more debates. I already provided a clear source, in the form of Frank O’Conner. I’ve at least provided a source at all. You still haven’t provided me with one other source where it states five million shipped. The only things you have provided are a Twitter debate, a red herring, and a lot of speculation.
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> You’re either being extremely disingenuous or really thick. The “twitter debate” is your source. In which the source (citing no source of his own) strongly infers that the numbers is shipped. Which is why he says “same thing” and then “eh, I didn’t specify either tbh” in response to saying that “sold” is misleading. YOUR (QUESTIONABLE) SOURCE SAYS SHIPPED. Frank was by no means clear, as usual, and you can bet good money that he would never specify which. I don’t think you know what a red herring is and my “speculation” is obvious inference based on the facts and 343’s behavior.
The single twitter post is my source. Not all the comments that follow, which are completely irrelevant. I do, in fact, know what a red herring is and you’re using it by talking about why 343 would do what you’re saying, rather than giving proof that they actually did. And Frankie said H5 did 5 million in three months. How much clearer can he get? There is one thing he did not outright state, and that is the word sold. However, you can speculate that he was talking about sales, because there would be no point in mentioning shipments instead.
> There is minimal evidence to suggest that these are sold through numbers.
Same thing can be said of shipping information. Except I have actually provided a firsthand account, while you have still not provided me with anything.
> There is no reputable source to be found on the sales of the game and all evidence points to this number being total “shipped.” For example:
What evidence? You have not provided me with a single quote or article or anything other than what I’ve provided. All you’ve done is attempt to refute my sources. And as franchise developer, I think it’s safe to say that Frank is a reputable source. You can’t just pick and choose what evidence to believe. It makes absolutely no sense that he would just outright lie in a discussion with someone.
> Is Halo 5 Really a Blockbuster? It’s Hard to Tell
This article has nothing to do with the five million figure. Sure, it brings up some valid points about 343s behavior, but does not contain any concrete proof regarding anything we’ve talked about.
> So, why is it that you think they would lump in significantly more expensive collector’s edition consoles and merchandise (including the most expensive game CE in series history), when they’ve never done that for any previous game? Hmmm. It’s a mystery. I’m sorry. Would that be… speculation?
Even if every single person who bought Halo 5 bought the most expensive version (console edition, 500 dollars), then that would mean at least 800,000 people bought Halo 5. However, that’s ludicrous. It does however, look a lot more sensible if a couple million people bought the standard 60 dollar version, with the smaller remaining sum of money being from the people who bought extra merchandise. Yes it’s speculation, as is your claim that five million most likely represents shipments.