The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
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> > > > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
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> > > > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
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> > > > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
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> > > > > > They wouldn’t outright lie about a concrete statistic. And whatever news you have for me, Icarus, is probably not the most reliable. I seem to recall about a month ago, you trying to make an argument about Halo’s popularity by comparing Machinima views of a video that’s been out for eight years vs a couple months. Here is the counter to that, in case you missed it.
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> > > > > You’re right, which is why it was specifically stated that Halo 5 SHIPPED over 5 million copies. You can reach your own conclusion as to why that makes a significant difference, but the piles of Collector’s Edition games and consoles sitting at local Gamestops and Best Buys might offer a hint.
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> > > > If you’re implying that Halo 5 had a massive return rate, then I’d like to remind you that selling your game back is nothing new to Halo or video gaming in general.
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> > > No, I’m referring to UNSOLD collector’s editions. New ones. The distinction between “shipped” and “sold” has absolutely no relevance to the used game market. Used games have already been sold.
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> > Source? My first source clearly states “sold” and Frankie didn’t say specify either way.
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> No, your first source says sold. then someone in response says “5m shipped at the end of 2015,” to which said source says “same thing.” So, yes, it’s 5 million SHIPPED, not sold through. And of course Frankie didn’t specify. He never does. He always says vague nonsense that could be interpreted a bunch of different ways with a slant that implies but doesn’t confirm something favorable for 343.

They are pretty much the same thing. How do you know exactly what is meant by shipped? Regardless, you have yet to provide a clear source for the five million figure being shipped, including unsold units. So far, it sounds like you’re just speculating.

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Truth be told even tho I’m neutral on sprint it’s actually getting to where it’s funny seeing all these responses of “I’m a super soldier! Must sprint!”.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
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> > > > > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
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> > > > > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
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> > > > > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
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> > > > > > > They wouldn’t outright lie about a concrete statistic. And whatever news you have for me, Icarus, is probably not the most reliable. I seem to recall about a month ago, you trying to make an argument about Halo’s popularity by comparing Machinima views of a video that’s been out for eight years vs a couple months. Here is the counter to that, in case you missed it.
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> > > > > > You’re right, which is why it was specifically stated that Halo 5 SHIPPED over 5 million copies. You can reach your own conclusion as to why that makes a significant difference, but the piles of Collector’s Edition games and consoles sitting at local Gamestops and Best Buys might offer a hint.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you’re implying that Halo 5 had a massive return rate, then I’d like to remind you that selling your game back is nothing new to Halo or video gaming in general.
> > > >
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> > > > No, I’m referring to UNSOLD collector’s editions. New ones. The distinction between “shipped” and “sold” has absolutely no relevance to the used game market. Used games have already been sold.
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> > > Source? My first source clearly states “sold” and Frankie didn’t say specify either way.
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> > No, your first source says sold. then someone in response says “5m shipped at the end of 2015,” to which said source says “same thing.” So, yes, it’s 5 million SHIPPED, not sold through. And of course Frankie didn’t specify. He never does. He always says vague nonsense that could be interpreted a bunch of different ways with a slant that implies but doesn’t confirm something favorable for 343.
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> They are pretty much the same thing. How do you know exactly what is meant by shipped? Regardless, you have yet to provide a clear source for the five million figure being shipped, including unsold units. So far, it sounds like you’re just speculating.

Shipped is the number of copies sent to stores. Sold is the number that ended up in a customer’s home.

For example, I worked at Best Buy when Titanfall launched. My store received approximately 150 copies of Titanfall for the Xbox One. Of those, we sold maybe 15 or 20 copies. The rest sat around for a few months before we were finally instructed to send them back. I realize that this is an extreme example, but in the case of this game, at my store, we had 150 shipped vs only 20 sold.

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> Truth be told even tho I’m neutral on sprint it’s actually getting to where it’s funny seeing all these responses of “I’m a super soldier! Must sprint!”.

I’m under the impression they’re more a joke than anything.

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> Truth be told even tho I’m neutral on sprint it’s actually getting to where it’s funny seeing all these responses of “I’m a super soldier! Must sprint!”.

I don’t get it.

How does having to give up the ability to shoot or move in any directions but forwards in order to move at a decent speed make you feel “super soldierish”?

Moving quickly in all directions while being able to shoot (coughdoomcough) feels way more “superish”.

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> > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
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> > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
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> > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
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> > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
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> What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?

First off, you’re being so -Yoinking!- dramatic. Second, calm down, this is a civilized argument, on a civilized site in a civilized world, no need to start off by throwing false descriptions about a company. They are not “untrustworthy” or “corrupt.” “Unreliable” sort of, “incompetent” not so much anymore. Now that we have that out of the way, let’s move one to the real issues.

The reason we don’t get a player count on multiplayer isn’t because it would affect H5’s reputation, it’s because MS doesn’t want to release them to the public, which they are doing with other MS titles, but they do give the numbers to other sources, which is why H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.

Halo 6 is actually confirmed to be on the PC not because of the lack of H5 sales, but because of the lack of sales of X1s and other games, (which isn’t much a reason anymore considering they are making progress and catching up to PS4 slowly, still got a long way to go).

So instead of just throwing around false statements and pointing figures at the wrong place, do a little research to either prove your point or disprove mine, because then it’s not a debate, it’s just a baseless fire.

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Who knows, if developers start releasing games without sprint, Halo might follow. Since 343 are trend followers and not trend setters.

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> > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > >
> > >
> > > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
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> > What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?
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> H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.

Uh, what?

BO3 has (unfortunately) been #1 on xbl and psn since the day it launched.

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> > Are your feet magnetically locked to the ground when playing Halo? Are you out of ammo? Do you not know how to throw grenades? If so that would explain your inability to kill someone running away who’s almost dead. Also the maps are big and open, when someone starts sprinting you can knock them out of it just by shooting them. You can also run after them with sprint since you have it too.
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> How is it that 90% of the people who respond with “git gud” (as if it’s relevant) are not “gud” at the game and in no position to pass judgement? I hate to break it to you, but better players can abuse these mechanics more easily. The maps are big and open? We aren’t talking about BTB here. We’re talking about Arena. Please do tell me how EMPIRE is not full of corners, cover, and paths that make it completely trivial to use thruster pack and sprint defensively. Oh, wait. You won’t. Because it definitely is and so are plenty of other maps. The mediocre BTB forge maps in this game are not a major part of the conversation. There is plenty of cover in most Arena maps and there is often minimal incentive to go out in the open (think top mid on Truth, for example).
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> Oh, you can run after them? Meaning you can’t shoot at the same time? Meaning the defending player is given tons of opportunities to lose you? Meaning the engagement is being needlessly prolonged and you have to play cat and mouse and over-extend yourself to finish a kill you earned because the game provides players with easy defensive options? Wow, dude. Great point. That’s not at all EXACTLY what we’re talking about. /s

Incase you didn’t get what I was saying I’ll put it in smaller words, when you shoot someone who is sprinting they can’t sprint anymore, when I try to get away from a conflict I die because the other guy just shoots me or throws a grenade at me or just has a bigger gun. When someone runs away from me I usually do the same thing that happens to me. Those corners you’re talking about are perfect for bouncing grenades and shotgun camping. Have you heard of thrusters? If so I’ll tell you a combo move that is this generation’s BXR, it’s sprint slide thrust, and when you do this you can either ground pound or since you’re caught up with the other guy you could try to assassinate him, and as a finishing move you can T-bag.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
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> > > > > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They wouldn’t outright lie about a concrete statistic. And whatever news you have for me, Icarus, is probably not the most reliable. I seem to recall about a month ago, you trying to make an argument about Halo’s popularity by comparing Machinima views of a video that’s been out for eight years vs a couple months. Here is the counter to that, in case you missed it.
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> > > > > > You’re right, which is why it was specifically stated that Halo 5 SHIPPED over 5 million copies. You can reach your own conclusion as to why that makes a significant difference, but the piles of Collector’s Edition games and consoles sitting at local Gamestops and Best Buys might offer a hint.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you’re implying that Halo 5 had a massive return rate, then I’d like to remind you that selling your game back is nothing new to Halo or video gaming in general.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, I’m referring to UNSOLD collector’s editions. New ones. The distinction between “shipped” and “sold” has absolutely no relevance to the used game market. Used games have already been sold.
> > >
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> > > Source? My first source clearly states “sold” and Frankie didn’t say specify either way.
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> > No, your first source says sold. then someone in response says “5m shipped at the end of 2015,” to which said source says “same thing.” So, yes, it’s 5 million SHIPPED, not sold through. And of course Frankie didn’t specify. He never does. He always says vague nonsense that could be interpreted a bunch of different ways with a slant that implies but doesn’t confirm something favorable for 343.
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> They are pretty much the same thing. How do you know exactly what is meant by shipped? Regardless, you have yet to provide a clear source for the five million figure being shipped, including unsold units. So far, it sounds like you’re just speculating.

No, they aren’t. It only has one definition in this context, which is the number that was sent to retail. Literally YOUR OWN SOURCE acknowledges that it is the number shipped and every other source I have seen says 5 million shipped. So, maybe YOU should provide a clear source for 5 million SOLD. As for speculation, the only reason a company like 343 has to hide sold through numbers and only talk about units shipped is if the number of games actually sold to customers is less impressive. I’m not speculating what that difference might be, I’m pointing out the objective fact that the difference exists and they are purposefully obfuscating it.

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> > Truth be told even tho I’m neutral on sprint it’s actually getting to where it’s funny seeing all these responses of “I’m a super soldier! Must sprint!”.
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> I don’t get it.
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> How does having to give up the ability to shoot or move in any directions but forwards in order to move at a decent speed make you feel “super soldierish”?
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> Moving quickly in all directions while being able to shoot (coughdoomcough) feel way more “superish”.

But it’s too unbalanced, which is why sprint is better than faster base movement. Doom works well with it because you don’t regenerate armor or health without packs. With halo tho, it is totally OP and encourages players to run away so they can regenerate, (just like H4 did with sprint). To have an increased base movement speed, there would need to be serious changes to Halo’s gameplay, like lower durability and stronger weapons.

IMO, sprinting feels super solderish because it’s literally just like running through a battlefield and watching bullets swish in all directions (which is funny considering Doom). Increased movement speed would just be fast walking which doesn’t sound superish and should be default in all FPS with bad@sses. Just my opinion.

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> > Truth be told even tho I’m neutral on sprint it’s actually getting to where it’s funny seeing all these responses of “I’m a super soldier! Must sprint!”.
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> I don’t get it.
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> How does having to give up the ability to shoot or move in any directions but forwards in order to move at a decent speed make you feel “super soldierish”?
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> Moving quickly in all directions while being able to shoot (coughdoomcough) feels way more “superish”.

I think it’s the animation that people talk about when involving sprint. Your gun lowers, your Spartans hud “shakes” in a sense and makes a huffing and puffing sound (if you have good headsets). That’s what I think people talk about when it comes to immersion. Upping the base speed makes you fast true, but it doesn’t make you look like you’re actually doing it if that makes sense. From my view immersion doesn’t really belong in multiplayer modes so I dislike lore being a reason to do so, I’m cool with sprint lore being used in story mode but like I said, multiplayer shouldn’t be implementing lore or forcibly attempting to do so unless it meshes well. Sprint has undergone panelties through every halo game which shows that it’s being forced but simply isn’t working. That’s a sign you should just scrap it and save yourself the trouble rather than either -Yoink!- people off until you finally make it work where you already lost people, or -Yoink!- people off further until you drop it. I’m neutral on sprint in h5 for many reasons like I listed probably 20 pages back, but I do acknowledge what sprint does good or bad. I just think it’s funny to see the lore responses because if I were anti-sprint I’d be pissed to keep seeing that same response. It means they’re not educated enough to really have an opinion on the matter, or they simply don’t care about the effects that sprint has on the game so long as lore gets involved.

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> > > Are your feet magnetically locked to the ground when playing Halo? Are you out of ammo? Do you not know how to throw grenades? If so that would explain your inability to kill someone running away who’s almost dead. Also the maps are big and open, when someone starts sprinting you can knock them out of it just by shooting them. You can also run after them with sprint since you have it too.
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> > How is it that 90% of the people who respond with “git gud” (as if it’s relevant) are not “gud” at the game and in no position to pass judgement? I hate to break it to you, but better players can abuse these mechanics more easily. The maps are big and open? We aren’t talking about BTB here. We’re talking about Arena. Please do tell me how EMPIRE is not full of corners, cover, and paths that make it completely trivial to use thruster pack and sprint defensively. Oh, wait. You won’t. Because it definitely is and so are plenty of other maps. The mediocre BTB forge maps in this game are not a major part of the conversation. There is plenty of cover in most Arena maps and there is often minimal incentive to go out in the open (think top mid on Truth, for example).
> >
> > Oh, you can run after them? Meaning you can’t shoot at the same time? Meaning the defending player is given tons of opportunities to lose you? Meaning the engagement is being needlessly prolonged and you have to play cat and mouse and over-extend yourself to finish a kill you earned because the game provides players with easy defensive options? Wow, dude. Great point. That’s not at all EXACTLY what we’re talking about. /s
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>
> Incase you didn’t get what I was saying I’ll put it in smaller words, when you shoot someone who is sprinting they can’t sprint anymore, when I try to get away from a conflict I die because the other guy just shoots me or throws a grenade at me or just has a bigger gun. When someone runs away from me I usually do the same thing that happens to me. Those corners you’re talking about are perfect for bouncing grenades and shotgun camping. Have you heard of thrusters? If so I’ll tell you a combo move that is this generation’s BXR, it’s sprint slide thrust, and when you do this you can either ground pound or since you’re caught up with the other guy you could try to assassinate him, and as a finishing move you can T-bag.

I love how you’re lecturing me like you’re anything resembling an expert. Just because YOU are terrible at using sprint to escape and play against people who also suck at the game, doesn’t invalidate the simple fact that it makes escape easier. FYI, you can only knock someone out of a sprint before they reach top speed, which doesn’t take that long. Sprint around a corner, reach top speed before your opponent can catch up, continue running behind all of the cover, around corners, etc. And the preferred combination for people who actually know how to play the game is “sprint + thrust + slide + jump,” in that order. Don’t tell people how the game works when you don’t even know yourself. It just makes you look ridiculous. Nothing you said in any way addressed the problems with sprint. I’m going to end my post here so I don’t get banned.

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> > > > > > > > 2533274839169051;1185:
> > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?
> >
> >
> > H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.
>
>
> Uh, what?
>
> BO3 has (unfortunately) been #1 on xbl and psn since the day it launched.

I’m confused by this as well. What source is he getting that statistic from and if it’s true,(which I don’t think it is) what are the top 10 games?

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> > > > > > 2533274801176260;1190:
> > > > > > > 2533274839169051;1185:
> > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > >
> > >
> > > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
> >
> >
> > What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?
>
>
> First off, you’re being so -Yoinking!- dramatic. Second, calm down, this is a civilized argument, on a civilized site in a civilized world, no need to start off by throwing false descriptions about a company. They are not “untrustworthy” or “corrupt.” “Unreliable” sort of, “incompetent” not so much anymore. Now that we have that out of the way, let’s move one to the real issues.
>
> The reason we don’t get a player count on multiplayer isn’t because it would affect H5’s reputation, it’s because MS doesn’t want to release them to the public, which they are doing with other MS titles, but they do give the numbers to other sources, which is why H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.
>
> Halo 6 is actually confirmed to be on the PC not because of the lack of H5 sales, but because of the lack of sales of X1s and other games, (which isn’t much a reason anymore considering they are making progress and catching up to PS4 slowly, still got a long way to go).
>
> So instead of just throwing around false statements and pointing figures at the wrong place, do a little research to either prove your point or disprove mine, because then it’s not a debate, it’s just a baseless fire.

You are not serious, are you? Halo 5 has been behind BO3 on the X1 since BO3 launched. We’ve known this for a long time, it’s not new. Are you that misinformed? Where do you get this information from. Xbox.com -> store go to games and check most popular. $50 is yours if halo is within 5 games of bo3. Hint look around 15th on the list.

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> > > > > > > 2533274801176260;1190:
> > > > > > > > 2533274839169051;1185:
> > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?
> >
> >
> > H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.
>
>
> Uh, what?
>
> BO3 has (unfortunately) been #1 on xbl and psn since the day it launched.

nope, as of may, they have population counts of 22k on each, which is about 1/600 of the copies they sold. Like i said in the 90% that you deleted, do your research. The highest population count that Bo3 had on Xbox was 60k, while on PS4 they took down the player count after the first month. Which goes to show that Bo3 is really doing poorly, and the reason why they are trying to push Infinite Warfare with CoD4 remastered.

The population of Halo 5 has only grown since day 1, and hopefully they will show community the population count.

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> > > > > > > > > 2533274839169051;1185:
> > > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?
> > >
> > >
> > > H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.
> >
> >
> > Uh, what?
> >
> > BO3 has (unfortunately) been #1 on xbl and psn since the day it launched.
>
>
> nope, as of may, they have population counts of 22k on each, which is about 1/600 of the copies they sold. Like i said in the 90% that you deleted, do your research. The highest population count that Bo3 had on Xbox was 60k, while on PS4 they took down the player count after the first month. Which goes to show that Bo3 is really doing poorly, and the reason why they are trying to push Infinite Warfare with CoD4 remastered.
>
> The population of Halo 5 has only grown since day 1, and hopefully they will show community the population count.

You are off your rocker dude, population has always declined after launch. Please attempt to at least be honest in this discussion.

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> > > > > > > > > 2533274839169051;1185:
> > > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?
> > >
> > >
> > > H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.
> >
> >
> > Uh, what?
> >
> > BO3 has (unfortunately) been #1 on xbl and psn since the day it launched.
>
>
> I’m confused by this as well. What source is he getting that statistic from and if it’s true,(which I don’t think it is) what are the top 10 games?

The only one I’ve found showing the Bo3 statistic is Steam, but I’m currently looking for the article that shows H5 at 11th in total population.

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> > > > > > > > > > 2533274839169051;1185:
> > > > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.
> > >
> > >
> > > Uh, what?
> > >
> > > BO3 has (unfortunately) been #1 on xbl and psn since the day it launched.
> >
> >
> > nope, as of may, they have population counts of 22k on each, which is about 1/600 of the copies they sold. Like i said in the 90% that you deleted, do your research. The highest population count that Bo3 had on Xbox was 60k, while on PS4 they took down the player count after the first month. Which goes to show that Bo3 is really doing poorly, and the reason why they are trying to push Infinite Warfare with CoD4 remastered.
> >
> > The population of Halo 5 has only grown since day 1, and hopefully they will show community the population count.
>
>
> You are off your rocker dude, population has always declined after launch. Please attempt to at least be honest in this discussion.

You must be crazy, more people have been coming back then those who have been leaving. Please attempt to make account of the people who join H5 instead of focusing on the ones that leave because of no falcon that was never promised.

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> > > > > > > > > > 2533274839169051;1185:
> > > > > > > > > > Although H5G is still making money…thanks to the Req Packs?!?
> > > > > > > > > > It seems like the Halo community is just the core fans now.
> > > > > > > > > > A smaller but fanatic group who will be here to the end.
> > > > > > > > > > I honestly think there is no fix, sprint or non-sprint that brings back the glory days.
> > > > > > > > > > Removing sprint just feels like condemning the future to BR starts, Midship, Ascension and Lockout till the end of eternity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What does Req Packs have to do with gameplay mechanics?
> > > > > > > > > Don’t you think they could make money with microtransactions in a classic game all the same?
> > > > > > > > > Even so, how much money have they made through Reqs? A quick google search sais 1.5 Million in February. Let’s be generous and round that up to 2M by now.
> > > > > > > > > H5G has sold around 2.5 Million copies less than even ODST. With 60$ per copy (In the US, that is. Here in Europe, I’m paying 80€ for any new game release) that alone accounts for 150 Million Dollars less revenue than the next-best-selling Halo title, which even was a spinoff-title. The difference only gets worse when you compare it to Halo 4 or Reach. Those few bucks from Reqs are peanuts compared to that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Halo 5 sold over five million copies. Try again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you honestly think 343 is being truthful about Halo’s sales, I have some news for you…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I used to have several links confirming this statement, but I lost them. I did read several places where they show they total sales, but they are not accurate because they don’t count digital sales, and that is how a lot of people buy games now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean “confirming”? 343 has proven to be the most untrustworthy and corrupt game development company, IMO. Even an ‘official’ statement from Microsoft I’d take with a grain of salt. 343 and MS want people to believe Halo 5 is still doing great, buy why is there no multiplayer population counter to show off Halo’s high player count, and why is Halo 6 rumored to come to the PC if Halo’s sales are so fantastic?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > H5 ranks 11th in total population, (as of May), which is beating Bo3 in player count on both X1 and PS4 combined.
> > >
> > >
> > > Uh, what?
> > >
> > > BO3 has (unfortunately) been #1 on xbl and psn since the day it launched.
> >
> >
> > I’m confused by this as well. What source is he getting that statistic from and if it’s true,(which I don’t think it is) what are the top 10 games?
>
>
> The only one I’ve found showing the Bo3 statistic is Steam, but I’m currently looking for the article that shows H5 at 11th in total population.

Isn’t steam pc? Black ops will have a higher pop cuz halos not even on pc. Plus I seriously think you’re wrong on Bo3 being behind halo, I can’t stand CoD these days since MW3 but CoDs been in front of halo since h3s twilight light years.