The sprint discussion thread

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> > 1. Not reading
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> > I don’t want to read like 10 paragraphs and it doesn’t matter If he made good pints. More people played the older games over the new so clearly more fans would be accepting of a Halo with original gameplay
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> > Not reading 700 paragraphs. No one will read 700 paragraphs. But the population is trash because the game is trash people don’t play trash games. Gameplay is one of the reasons why it’s trash.
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> If you don’t read replys to your posts, you void every right to partake in this conversation.
> Don’t get me wrong. I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion. But that’s not the point.
> This is a discussion forum. Not a soapbox. If you want to spout your opinion without anybody challenging it, open a blog or a YouTube channel. That seems to be what everybody does nowadays anyways.
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> Btw, reported for stat-flaming.

He hasn’t played Halo 5 and I’m not interested in discussing with a guy who argued Halo 5 is basically the same as the originals. Just like how I ignore people that say “no sprint is slow” or “spartans can run in the run in the lore so they should in gameplay”
And it’s a fact. Most people who played the older games either didn’t buy or don’t play the new games.

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> I’m not interested in discussing with a guy who argued Halo 5 is basically the same as the originals.

I’m very curious where I ever said such a thing? Would you mind pointing me to that post?

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> I don’t read anything you say here because you haven’t played Halo 5.

Let’s get one thing straight here. I have some, perhaps six hours, in Halo 5 campaign, and 28 hours on Halo 5: Forge as of now. So, you’re actually wrong that I haven’t played Halo 5. Not that it matters to you. But just to point out that I have played Halo 5.

I also don’t see why you have a problem with the fact that I tried the game, I didn’t find it enjoyable, and therefore I quit the game. This seems strange to me as you’re on one hand arguing how Halo should go back to classic because many people didn’t like the direction of 343i, and quit, but then on the other hand, you’re trying to ignore me because I didn’t like the direction of 343i, and quit. So, do you want me to go play Halo 5, because it’s a bad game? I don’t quite get the logic here. I mean, if I don’t like Halo 5, isn’t not playing it the best thing for me to do? Isn’t that how we show 343i that we’re not happy? Would you instead prefer me to go play Halo 5 and show my support to a game I dislike?

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> They lost half their fan base and the population is like 15k. I don’t need surveys to prove anything we all know the game is a failure. Microsoft will probably force 343 to do a more traditional Halo to appeall to the old fans because there hardly is in any new fans.
> All Microsoft care about is money and they’ll do whatever they can to make more money.

While the source of this “15k” number you’re quoting seems to be nothing else than your own head as you haven’t yet provided a source for it, yes, we can all agree that Halo is not as popular as it used to be. If you think Halo’s popularity is some point of contention, you’ve misunderstood the situation. The point of contention is your assumption that making a classic Halo game would make Halo popular again, which is something you really have no evidence for.

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> I also don’t see why you have a problem with the fact that I tried the game, I didn’t find it enjoyable, and therefore I quit the game. This seems strange to me as you’re on one hand arguing how Halo should go back to classic because many people didn’t like the direction of 343i, and quit, but then on the other hand, you’re trying to ignore me because I didn’t like the direction of 343i, and quit. So, do you want me to go play Halo 5, because it’s a bad game? I don’t quite get the logic here. I mean, if I don’t like Halo 5, isn’t not playing it the best thing for me to do? Isn’t that how we show 343i that we’re not happy? Would you instead prefer me to go play Halo 5 and show my support to a game I dislike?
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> > They lost half their fan base and the population is like 15k. I don’t need surveys to prove anything we all know the game is a failure. Microsoft will probably force 343 to do a more traditional Halo to appeall to the old fans because there hardly is in any new fans.
> > All Microsoft care about is money and they’ll do whatever they can to make more money.
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> While the source of this “15k” number you’re quoting seems to be nothing else than your own head as you haven’t yet provided a source for it, yes, we can all agree that Halo is not as popular as it used to be. If you think Halo’s popularity is some point of contention, you’ve misunderstood the situation. The point of contention is your assumption that making a classic Halo game would make Halo popular again, which is something you really have no evidence for.

Look on wpns grade’s channel.
You did say that.
Ever since they changed the gameplay population went down.They need to have atleast 1 more game built with the original formulal last time they did Halo was at it’s peak.

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> Look on wpns grade’s channel.
> You did say that.

Now I don’t understand? How does some YouTube channel relate to any of this? Could you just show me where I said what you claim I said? Because I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about.

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> Ever since they changed the gameplay population went down.They need to have atleast 1 more game built with the original formulal last time they did Halo was at it’s peak.

Ever heard the statistician’s mantra “correlation does not imply causation”? Many other things have also been happening while the gameplay of Halo has been changing. For example, the decrease of Halo’s popularity also correlates with the rise of CoD and the modern military shooter. Something you may also not be aware of is that while the popularity of Halo has been decreasing only since Halo Reach, the population retention capacity of Halo has been decreasing since Halo 3. This suggests that franchise fatique may play a nonisignificant part in the loss of popularity.

The reality, as always, is probably that no single reason is behind the decrease in Halo’s popularity, but various aspects have played part in it. However, we really don’t know, whether you want to believe it or not, what part everything plays in the population decrease. It’s certainly possible that people simply wanted more classic Halo, but as I have been trying to explain to you, there’s no significant evidence that this would’ve been the main reason for Halo’s loss of popularity.

You’re insisting something here which you have no real evidence for. No amount of yelling will change the fact that no one really knows how things would’ve turned out if Bungie had kept to gameplay concepts from the original trilogy. Neither does anyone know what would happen to the population if 343i returned to classic gameplay now. You might think you do, but if you do think so, you’re not really being honest with yourself.

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> > Ever since they changed the gameplay population went down.They need to have atleast 1 more game built with the original formulal last time they did Halo was at it’s peak.
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> Ever heard the statistician’s mantra “correlation does not imply causation”? Many other things have also been happening while the gameplay of Halo has been changing. For example, the decrease of Halo’s popularity also correlates with the rise of CoD and the modern military shooter. Something you may also not be aware of is that while the popularity of Halo has been decreasing only since Halo Reach, the population retention capacity of Halo has been decreasing since Halo 3. This suggests that franchise fatique may play a nonisignificant part in the loss of popularity.
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> The reality, as always, is probably that no single reason is behind the decrease in Halo’s popularity, but various aspects have played part in it. However, we really don’t know, whether you want to believe it or not, what part everything plays in the population decrease. It’s certainly possible that people simply wanted more classic Halo, but as I have been trying to explain to you, there’s no significant evidence that this would’ve been the main reason for Halo’s loss of popularity.
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> You’re insisting something here which you have no real evidence for. No amount of yelling will change the fact that no one really knows how things would’ve turned out if Bungie had kept to gameplay concepts from the original trilogy. Neither does anyone know what would happen to the population if 343i returned to classic gameplay now. You might think you do, but if you do think so, you’re not really being honest with yourself.

Yes there are other games but the population Is less than a 10th man like wtf atleast should have half of the h3 numbers.
Go look at that guys population vid don’t be lazy I ain’t linking it

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> Yes there are other games but the population Is less than a 10th man like wtf atleast should have half of the h3 numbers.
> Go look at that guys population vid don’t be lazy I ain’t linking it

I’m not the one being lazy here. If you have some points to make, make them, but don’t tell me to go look up some person’s YouTube video. You’re not being very helpful if you don’t even have the courtesy to link the video you’re referring to.

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> > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > nice statistics here.
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> > > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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> > Where’s the proof that says this?
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> Most played list. The game is doing very bad.

It’s not doing bad at all.

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> > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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15k population and half The sales of Halo 4 is doing bad. The game was a failure.

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> > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > nice statistics here.
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> > > > > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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> 15k population and half The sales of Halo 4 is doing bad. The game was a failure.

I need actual proof because H5 has a higher retention rate than H4. And H4 sold 10 million. H3 has 12.5 million.

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> > > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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> > 15k population and half The sales of Halo 4 is doing bad. The game was a failure.
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> I need actual proof because H5 has a higher retention rate than H4. And H4 sold 10 million. H3 has 12.5 million.

https://youtu.be/7PoG6-b1DoQ
The population is the same as Halo 4 and the sales are at about 4 million. Game is the most poorly received Halo. Shame.
Hopefully 343 will deliver with Halo 6.

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> > > > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > > > nice statistics here.
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> > > > > > > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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> > > > > > Where’s the proof that says this?
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> > > 15k population and half The sales of Halo 4 is doing bad. The game was a failure.
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> > I need actual proof because H5 has a higher retention rate than H4. And H4 sold 10 million. H3 has 12.5 million.
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> What Happened to Population Counters? | Halo 5 Commentary - YouTube
> The population is the same as Halo 4 and the sales are at about 4 million. Game is the most poorly received Halo. Shame.
> Hopefully 343 will deliver with Halo 6.

I’ve noticed that this discussion has been very population focused on the last page, which isn’t really related to sprint. So, if we want to keep discussing the popularity of Halo 5, I suggest that we should move towards the Halo 5 Population Discussion Thread, and keep this thread for discussing the sprint ability in Halo 5. I’ve already posted my reply to this comment there, and I would hope you will either follow suit, or move this discussion here towards sprint.

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> > > > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > Where’s the proof that says this?
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> > > 15k population and half The sales of Halo 4 is doing bad. The game was a failure.
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> > I need actual proof because H5 has a higher retention rate than H4. And H4 sold 10 million. H3 has 12.5 million.
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> What Happened to Population Counters? | Halo 5 Commentary - YouTube
> The population is the same as Halo 4 and the sales are at about 4 million. Game is the most poorly received Halo. Shame.
> Hopefully 343 will deliver with Halo 6.

Pretty sure Halo 6 will have the same abilities and sprint.

Take out sprint and put in its palce sprint armor mod from halo reach

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> > > > > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > > > > nice statistics here.
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> > > > > > > > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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> > > > > > > Where’s the proof that says this?
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> > > > > > Most played list. The game is doing very bad.
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> > > > 15k population and half The sales of Halo 4 is doing bad. The game was a failure.
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> > > I need actual proof because H5 has a higher retention rate than H4. And H4 sold 10 million. H3 has 12.5 million.
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> > The population is the same as Halo 4 and the sales are at about 4 million. Game is the most poorly received Halo. Shame.
> > Hopefully 343 will deliver with Halo 6.
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> Pretty sure Halo 6 will have the same abilities and sprint.

They lost half their fan base and it has 15k population there’s no way it’ll have Spartan abilities.

H5 sprint is the best compromise that you are going to get and to be honest it’s probably one of the best sprinting mechanics in a game. It doesn’t recharge shields when sprinting and you put yourself at risk sprinting around like an idiot instead of taking your time and planning things out. If you don’t want to sprint that’s fine you don’t have to.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > > > > > nice statistics here.
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> > > > > > > > > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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> > > > > > > > Where’s the proof that says this?
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> > > > > > > Most played list. The game is doing very bad.
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> > > > > 15k population and half The sales of Halo 4 is doing bad. The game was a failure.
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> > > > I need actual proof because H5 has a higher retention rate than H4. And H4 sold 10 million. H3 has 12.5 million.
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> > > The population is the same as Halo 4 and the sales are at about 4 million. Game is the most poorly received Halo. Shame.
> > > Hopefully 343 will deliver with Halo 6.
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> > Pretty sure Halo 6 will have the same abilities and sprint.
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> They lost half their fan base and it has 15k population there’s no way it’ll have Spartan abilities.

I don’t think you’re going to convince him with these statistics you made up from who knows where that you keep on repeating.

On one hand, there have certainly been mechanics that have come and gone due to what could be claimed to be community pressure—such as reticle bloom, loadouts, and Armor Abilities to name a few. On the other hand, with sprint having been six years in Halo throughout three games, and 343i’s elaborations regarding why they consider sprint an important element, it’s not at all certain whether sprint will eventually follow the same path.

Likewise, Spartan Abilities can be seen as a natural evolution of Armor Abilities in response to the issue with symmetric starts, which suggests that 343i definitely has a vision of giving an extended range of movement abilities to the player. I think it’s fair to say that it’s almost certain Spartan Abilities will go through some significant changes going towards Halo 6—no new mechanic has ever remained completely unchanged, after all. Perhaps they will get more streamlined. At any rate, there’s no reason to expect that Spartan Abilities would be completely gone in Halo 6.

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> H5 sprint is the best compromise that you are going to get and to be honest it’s probably one of the best sprinting mechanics in a game. It doesn’t recharge shields when sprinting and you put yourself at risk sprinting around like an idiot instead of taking your time and planning things out. If you don’t want to sprint that’s fine you don’t have to.

Sprint is needed to compete in h5, if you don’t sprint another will reach power weapons faster. So not using it isn’t an option, it’s something people need to learn cuz many would love to not use it but not if it handicaps themselves. Second, adding panalties to a mechanic that punishes the user isn’t much of a comprise as that shows the mechanic (sprint) won’t work as intended. I’ve said it, and I’ll say it again, halo sprint is the only version I can think of that punishes you for using it and there are other things sprint in h5 does that you missed.m, such as getting knocked out of it if you don’t get top speed and shot at. Sprint having those punishments have been unappealing to pro and anti sprinters, again, it’s not a good comprise, the best comprise is for 343 to decide what they really want their game to be rather than trying to teeter in the middle. Youveither scrap sprint, or you make it actually work with the game with major overhaul to its gameplay cuz the current setup won’t work.

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> If you don’t want to sprint that’s fine you don’t have to.

I see that you’re new to this discussion, so let me explain why this is a silly argument. This argument is, in essence, equivalent to saying “don’t use that weapon” if someone complains that a weapon is overpowered. The weapon will exist in its current state regardless of if I use the weapon or not, and as such it will keep on impacting my gameplay experience even if I don’t use it. Likewise, if I don’t like sprint, my problems don’t go away by simply not sprinting, because the problem has never been that I can sprint, but that everyone can sprint.

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> > H5 sprint is the best compromise that you are going to get and to be honest it’s probably one of the best sprinting mechanics in a game. It doesn’t recharge shields when sprinting and you put yourself at risk sprinting around like an idiot instead of taking your time and planning things out. If you don’t want to sprint that’s fine you don’t have to.
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> Sprint is needed to compete in h5, if you don’t sprint another will reach power weapons faster. So not using it isn’t an option, it’s something people need to learn cuz many would love to not use it but not if it handicaps themselves. Second, adding panalties to a mechanic that punishes the user isn’t much of a comprise as that shows the mechanic (sprint) won’t work as intended. I’ve said it, and I’ll say it again, halo sprint is the only version I can think of that punishes you for using it and there are other things sprint in h5 does that you missed.m, such as getting knocked out of it if you don’t get top speed and shot at. Sprint having those punishments have been unappealing to pro and anti sprinters, again, it’s not a good comprise, the best comprise is for 343 to decide what they really want their game to be rather than trying to teeter in the middle. Youveither scrap sprint, or you make it actually work with the game with major overhaul to its gameplay cuz the current setup won’t work.

I only use sprint moderately getting to places and out of tight spots quickly and I haven’t had an issue with the penalties. I also would prefer a sprintless Halo to a full on sprinting Halo but if you play the game intelligently your sprinting penalties will be nuanced and you can punish people who don’t play intelligently.