The sprint discussion thread

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> > > I’m alright with sprint being in the game, but not at the cost of a sluggish movement speed like we have now. If it is one or the other, I would much rather have a faster base movement speed instead, because as of now, it’s way too slow.
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> > It isn’t slow. The maps are designed around no sprint anyway so moving at that speed makes sense for gameplay and lore.
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> Sure it is, when I am going at a normal pace it’s akin to going through mud. CE and Halo 2 were noticeably faster-paced, and it made both games more enjoyable.
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> The maps are designed with sprint in mind, the maps would be very flawed if they didn’t design their maps and not take into account player movement - both base movement and sprint. The maps would be broken if they didn’t.
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> Gameplay supercedes lore in a video game, so designing the gameplay solely around lore is a foolish direction to take.

I agree gameplay>lore. I was just saying it makes sense for Spartans not to run on no sprint maps because people always say stuff like"it doesn’t make sense that spartans can’t run)
But yeah it wouldn’t be slow as maps would be built around one player movement speed and the game wouldn’t have sprint.

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> > > > I’m alright with sprint being in the game, but not at the cost of a sluggish movement speed like we have now. If it is one or the other, I would much rather have a faster base movement speed instead, because as of now, it’s way too slow.
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> > > It isn’t slow. The maps are designed around no sprint anyway so moving at that speed makes sense for gameplay and lore.
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> > Sure it is, when I am going at a normal pace it’s akin to going through mud. CE and Halo 2 were noticeably faster-paced, and it made both games more enjoyable.
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> > The maps are designed with sprint in mind, the maps would be very flawed if they didn’t design their maps and not take into account player movement - both base movement and sprint. The maps would be broken if they didn’t.
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> > Gameplay supercedes lore in a video game, so designing the gameplay solely around lore is a foolish direction to take.
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> I agree gameplay>lore. I was just saying it makes sense for Spartans not to run on no sprint maps because people always say stuff like"it doesn’t make sense that spartans can’t run)
> But yeah it wouldn’t be slow as maps would be built around one player movement speed and the game wouldn’t have sprint.

I see, I misunderstood you then regarding your view on the relationship between lore and gameplay. My mistake.

As far as the second point goes, if the base player speed is faster then the map design will be just fine, assuming they take it into account. Like I said, Halo: CE and Halo 2 felt faster paced and only had one speed, and many of those maps are considered classics. They aren’t considered flawed or broken by the community and speed was never a complaint.

It really just comes down to personal preference.

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> Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.

nice statistics here.

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> > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> nice statistics here.

The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.

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> > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > nice statistics here.
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> The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.

Halo 6 will probably have original halo gameplay. How do you what halo 6 will have?

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> > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > nice statistics here.
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> > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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> Halo 6 will probably have original halo gameplay. How do you what halo 6 will have?

A halo game with the original gameplay will satisfy more fans than one with abilities. 343 haven’t actually brought in any new fans the people that say they prefer Sprint are the minority who just got used to it. Most people that buy or used to buy Halo obviously prefer the original gameplay

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> > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > nice statistics here.
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> The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.

Putting aside that you present this number without any information on as to where it comes from, as well as that (provided its origin is at all legitimate) it likely represents the amount of players playing simultaneously at some given time of day, and not the total number of players interested in the game, it’s pretty naive to believe that this is any sort of “proof”, or even reasonable evidence, of the belief that most people would prefer classic Halo. Your problem is that you’re too fixated on your own agenda to be able to objectively consider why Halo is not doing as well as it used to.

The first problem here is that we don’t actually know Halo is doing. In reality, even if we had accurate information on the number of players playing Halo 5 at any given time, that hardly tells only part of the story. The momentary player count doesn’t give us much useful information. It tells us how many players are playing at any given moment, but it doesn’t tell how many people still play actively, as it’s highly dependent not only on the total number of players playing the game, but also how many hours a day each player plays. This is important, because a player playing one hour each day instead of two translates into a decrease in the average amount of momentary players, but not in the total number of players playing the game. For this reason, to have a fuller picture on the population, one would need the number of users who log in, say, within the span of a week, to get some sense of the number of players still playing the game.

But suppose anyway that we see a decrease in the momentary player counts. What does it actually tell us? It tells that people, on the average, are spending more time doing things other than playing the game. That is the only information it gives to us. Most importantly, it does not tell us why. It does not tell us what those other things are that people are rather doing than playing the game. What’s more, it most certainly doesn’t tell us why are people doing other things rather than playing the game. It only tells us that people are doing other things than playing the game, more than they used to. And the important thing to realize is that this can happen for any number of reasons.

One possibility is that people generally have less time to play than they used to, for whatever societal reasons, though this is rather far fetched as there aren’t any obvious reasons in sight why this would’ve happened in the last few years. Another possibility very close to this, though, is that the gaming audience has matured, i.e., the age of the average gamer has went up, and as adults have less free time than children, this would be observed has games having lower populations. This means, by the way, that such a trend would be seen across all games, not just Halo, which can’t be ruled out because we don’t have data available from other games.

A possibility slightly closer to Halo is that more competition has sprung up. This people often dismiss, citing the fact that when Halo 3 was popular, other games also existed. However, this argument doesn’t really change the fact that the number of games released each year in every sector, whether it be high budget triple-A games or small indie games, has increased, and people have more options to play than they used to. This would naturally divide players’ attentions between numerous games and hence cut their playtimes in any single game. Another possibility that is highly related to this is that rather than Halo having decreased in quality, other games may have simply caught up. That is to say, people aren’t any less interested in Halo than they used to be, but there are just other games that are even more interesting than Halo. Related to this, in turn, is franchise fatigue. Nothing lasts forever is how it is, and rather than people liking Halo less because it changed, it might be that they like Halo less because they are simply “bored” of it.

Another potential effect having to do with the long history of Halo is the possibility that people’s tastes have changed. It’s rather clear that if you take a look at what kinds of shooters are offered today are significantly different compared what was offered fifteen years ago. The popularity of shooters where everyone starts the same has gone down, and almost all popular shooters are highly class-based. Even Counter Strike, which holds the crown of the shooter that has been popular the longest, could be argued to have survived in the modern market partially exactly because it has elements of class based gameplay in it, allowing players to choose what weapons the spawn with. This is all in contrast to arena shooters which have practically faded to oblivion.

Then, finally, is the possibility that Halo has changed in a direction players didn’t like. You know all about this, so I probably don’t need to explain. However, there really is no more evidence supporting this possibility than any of the others. Rather, you prefer it because it fits your agenda as it allows you to imagine that the masses are on your side which, you imagine, makes it easier to convince everyone that your way is the right way. But the reality is that you’re just guessing as much as anyone else as to why Halo might have become less popular over the years. So, regardless of what you want to believe, the facts aren’t really anymore on your side than they are on anyone else’s.

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> > This discussion started to not actually talk about sprint… But, hey. I will still state my opinion. With all the armor mods, I actually do think sprint should be removed(Upgarded Thrusters, mostly, but some others). I mean, you shouldn’t be able to sprint and recharge shields… just no! You make so you have to stop sprinting to recharge shields, but then… you add something so you can sprint and recharge.
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> In halo 5 your shields dont recharge if your sprint, im not sure which halo your talking about.

I’m talking about Warzone using Upgraded Thrusters… It lets you sprint while recharging.

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> > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > nice statistics here.
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> > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
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> Putting aside that you present this number without any information on as to where it comes from, as well as that (provided its origin is at all legitimate) it likely represents the amount of players playing simultaneously at some given time of day, and not the total number of players interested in the game, it’s pretty naive to believe that this is any sort of “proof”, or even reasonable evidence, of the belief that most people would prefer classic Halo. Your problem is that you’re too fixated on your own agenda to be able to objectively consider why Halo is not doing as well as it used to.
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> The first problem here is that we don’t actually know Halo is doing. In reality, even if we had accurate information on the number of players playing Halo 5 at any given time, that hardly tells only part of the story. The momentary player count doesn’t give us much useful information. It tells us how many players are playing at any given moment, but it doesn’t tell how many people still play actively, as it’s highly dependent not only on the total number of players playing the game, but also how many hours a day each player plays. This is important, because a player playing one hour each day instead of two translates into a decrease in the average amount of momentary players, but not in the total number of players playing the game. For this reason, to have a fuller picture on the population, one would need the number of users who log in, say, within the span of a week, to get some sense of the number of players still playing the game.
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> But suppose anyway that we see a decrease in the momentary player counts. What does it actually tell us? It tells that people, on the average, are spending more time doing things other than playing the game. That is the only information it gives to us. Most importantly, it does not tell us why. It does not tell us what those other things are that people are rather doing than playing the game. What’s more, it most certainly doesn’t tell us why are people doing other things rather than playing the game. It only tells us that people are doing other things than playing the game, more than they used to. And the important thing to realize is that this can happen for any number of reasons.
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> One possibility is that people generally have less time to play than they used to, for whatever societal reasons, though this is rather far fetched as there aren’t any obvious reasons in sight why this would’ve happened in the last few years. Another possibility very close to this, though, is that the gaming audience has matured, i.e., the age of the average gamer has went up, and as adults have less free time than children, this would be observed has games having lower populations. This means, by the way, that such a trend would be seen across all games, not just Halo, which can’t be ruled out because we don’t have data available from other games.
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> A possibility slightly closer to Halo is that more competition has sprung up. This people often dismiss, citing the fact that when Halo 3 was popular, other games also existed. However, this argument doesn’t really change the fact that the number of games released each year in every sector, whether it be high budget triple-A games or small indie games, has increased, and people have more options to play than they used to. This would naturally divide players’ attentions between numerous games and hence cut their playtimes in any single game. Another possibility that is highly related to this is that rather than Halo having decreased in quality, other games may have simply caught up. That is to say, people aren’t any less interested in Halo than they used to be, but there are just other games that are even more interesting than Halo. Related to this, in turn, is franchise fatigue. Nothing lasts forever is how it is, and rather than people liking Halo less because it changed, it might be that they like Halo less because they are simply “bored” of it.
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> Another potential effect having to do with the long history of Halo is the possibility that people’s tastes have changed. It’s rather clear that if you take a look at what kinds of shooters are offered today are significantly different compared what was offered fifteen years ago. The popularity of shooters where everyone starts the same has gone down, and almost all popular shooters are highly class-based. Even Counter Strike, which holds the crown of the shooter that has been popular the longest, could be argued to have survived in the modern market partially exactly because it has elements of class based gameplay in it, allowing players to choose what weapons the spawn with. This is all in contrast to arena shooters which have practically faded to oblivion.
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> Then, finally, is the possibility that Halo has changed in a direction players didn’t like. You know all about this, so I probably don’t need to explain. However, there really is no more evidence supporting this possibility than any of the others. Rather, you prefer it because it fits your agenda as it allows you to imagine that the masses are on your side which, you imagine, makes it easier to convince everyone that your way is the right way. But the reality is that you’re just guessing as much as anyone else as to why Halo might have become less popular over the years. So, regardless of what you want to believe, the facts aren’t really anymore on your side than they are on anyone else’s.

  1. Not reading
  2. You haven’t played Halo 5

Stop wasting your time

Sprint is fine. I like the way things are.

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> > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> Stop wasting your time

Why? He raises good points, there’s nothing concrete enough that shows “why” in specific people don’t play halo anymore as much as they used to. Nothing wrong with your beliefs in it, I believe it as well cuz 343 are incompetent, but simply saying “x amount play and clearly no one likes it” has no support to it, plus I’d Rather go off halos declining sales more than a guess at the population that 343 has been vague off of as at least it’s a comparable number to the previous games.

i would read as again, it’s a good point many, make assumptions they know in specific why or how x happens when it’s really just a speculated guess since there’s nothing to back it, it goes for anything that doesn’t have a bases to it. Plus I myself would get pissed putting up that much text only to be blown off with “you haven’t played h5”. What is the point of that? You don’t need to play a game to understand everything and there have been people in this thread making the best points who haven’t played or played almost to no time on the game. That comment is just as bad as “you have 18 days of time played so clearly you actually DO like the game” that people like to put out for those in disappointment of halo 5. That’s if you’re invalidating him just cause he has t played.

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> > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > nice statistics here.
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> > 1. Not reading
> > 2. You haven’t played Halo 5
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> > Stop wasting your time
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> Why? He raises good points, there’s nothing concrete enough that shows “why” in specific people don’t play halo anymore as much as they used to. Nothing wrong with your beliefs in it, I believe it as well cuz 343 are incompetent, but simply saying “x amount play and clearly no one likes it” has no support to it, plus I’d Rather go off halos declining sales more than a guess at the population that 343 has been vague off of as at least it’s a comparable number to the previous games.
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> i would read as again, it’s a good point many, make assumptions they know in specific why or how x happens when it’s really just a speculated guess since there’s nothing to back it, it goes for anything that doesn’t have a bases to it. Plus I myself would get pissed putting up that much text only to be blown off with “you haven’t played h5”. What is the point of that? You don’t need to play a game to understand everything and there have been people in this thread making the best points who haven’t played or played almost to no time on the game. That comment is just as bad as “you have 18 days of time played so clearly you actually DO like the game” that people like to put out for those in disappointment of halo 5. That’s if you’re invalidating him just cause he has t played.

I don’t want to read like 10 paragraphs and it doesn’t matter If he made good pints. More people played the older games over the new so clearly more fans would be accepting of a Halo with original gameplay

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> > > The support on this thread really is great though. Sprint strongly needs to go and hopefully continuing pressure will acheive it like with loadouts
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> > 652x pages of discussion certainly points to it being a hugely contentious issue for Halo…
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> > I’d respect 343 immensely if they simply came out and said we tried implementing sprint in Halo and it hasn’t worked more than constant attempts to “evolve”…
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> I would disrespect 343 a little less if they took part in the sprint discussion. Not to hate on them, but seriously, I very rarely see them interacting with the community on these forums.

So much this. I go on steam or Reddit. Games like Subnautica, Ark Survival, Titanfall 2 all have devs regularly talking with and updating the community. I barely see 343 devs or anyone anywhere and when I do see them it really feels like they’re only checking a box.

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> > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > nice statistics here.
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> > > 1. Not reading
> > > 2. You haven’t played Halo 5
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> > > Stop wasting your time
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> > Why? He raises good points, there’s nothing concrete enough that shows “why” in specific people don’t play halo anymore as much as they used to. Nothing wrong with your beliefs in it, I believe it as well cuz 343 are incompetent, but simply saying “x amount play and clearly no one likes it” has no support to it, plus I’d Rather go off halos declining sales more than a guess at the population that 343 has been vague off of as at least it’s a comparable number to the previous games.
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> > i would read as again, it’s a good point many, make assumptions they know in specific why or how x happens when it’s really just a speculated guess since there’s nothing to back it, it goes for anything that doesn’t have a bases to it. Plus I myself would get pissed putting up that much text only to be blown off with “you haven’t played h5”. What is the point of that? You don’t need to play a game to understand everything and there have been people in this thread making the best points who haven’t played or played almost to no time on the game. That comment is just as bad as “you have 18 days of time played so clearly you actually DO like the game” that people like to put out for those in disappointment of halo 5. That’s if you’re invalidating him just cause he has t played.
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> I don’t want to read like 10 paragraphs and it doesn’t matter If he made good pints. More people played the older games over the new so clearly more fans would be accepting of a Halo with original gameplay

Oh, but it’s hardly a long post if it didn’t even hit the character limit. You should totally read my seven page long analysis on the population history of Halo. :wink:

Anyway, had you read my previous post, you’d know why your second sentence isn’t necessarily true. And, you know, this is a forum. People write stuff, so you need to read stuff if you want to have a proper discussion. Of course, if you’re just here to spread your gospel, you’re free to do so. That just doesn’t create a very interesting discussion.

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> > > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > > nice statistics here.
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> > > > 1. Not reading
> > > > 2. You haven’t played Halo 5
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> > > > Stop wasting your time
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> > > Why? He raises good points, there’s nothing concrete enough that shows “why” in specific people don’t play halo anymore as much as they used to. Nothing wrong with your beliefs in it, I believe it as well cuz 343 are incompetent, but simply saying “x amount play and clearly no one likes it” has no support to it, plus I’d Rather go off halos declining sales more than a guess at the population that 343 has been vague off of as at least it’s a comparable number to the previous games.
> > >
> > > i would read as again, it’s a good point many, make assumptions they know in specific why or how x happens when it’s really just a speculated guess since there’s nothing to back it, it goes for anything that doesn’t have a bases to it. Plus I myself would get pissed putting up that much text only to be blown off with “you haven’t played h5”. What is the point of that? You don’t need to play a game to understand everything and there have been people in this thread making the best points who haven’t played or played almost to no time on the game. That comment is just as bad as “you have 18 days of time played so clearly you actually DO like the game” that people like to put out for those in disappointment of halo 5. That’s if you’re invalidating him just cause he has t played.
> >
> > I don’t want to read like 10 paragraphs and it doesn’t matter If he made good pints. More people played the older games over the new so clearly more fans would be accepting of a Halo with original gameplay
>
> Oh, but it’s hardly a long post if it didn’t even hit the character limit. You should totally read my seven page long analysis on the population history of Halo. :wink:
>
> Anyway, had you read my previous post, you’d know why your second sentence isn’t necessarily true. And, you know, this is a forum. People write stuff, so you need to read stuff if you want to have a proper discussion. Of course, if you’re just here to spread your gospel, you’re free to do so. That just doesn’t create a very interesting discussion.

Not reading 700 paragraphs. No one will read 700 paragraphs. But the population is trash because the game is trash people don’t play trash games. Gameplay is one of the reasons why it’s trash.

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> > > > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
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> > > > > > > > nice statistics here.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Not reading
> > > > > 2. You haven’t played Halo 5
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop wasting your time
> > > >
> > > > Why? He raises good points, there’s nothing concrete enough that shows “why” in specific people don’t play halo anymore as much as they used to. Nothing wrong with your beliefs in it, I believe it as well cuz 343 are incompetent, but simply saying “x amount play and clearly no one likes it” has no support to it, plus I’d Rather go off halos declining sales more than a guess at the population that 343 has been vague off of as at least it’s a comparable number to the previous games.
> > > >
> > > > i would read as again, it’s a good point many, make assumptions they know in specific why or how x happens when it’s really just a speculated guess since there’s nothing to back it, it goes for anything that doesn’t have a bases to it. Plus I myself would get pissed putting up that much text only to be blown off with “you haven’t played h5”. What is the point of that? You don’t need to play a game to understand everything and there have been people in this thread making the best points who haven’t played or played almost to no time on the game. That comment is just as bad as “you have 18 days of time played so clearly you actually DO like the game” that people like to put out for those in disappointment of halo 5. That’s if you’re invalidating him just cause he has t played.
> > >
> > > I don’t want to read like 10 paragraphs and it doesn’t matter If he made good pints. More people played the older games over the new so clearly more fans would be accepting of a Halo with original gameplay
> >
> > Oh, but it’s hardly a long post if it didn’t even hit the character limit. You should totally read my seven page long analysis on the population history of Halo. :wink:
> >
> > Anyway, had you read my previous post, you’d know why your second sentence isn’t necessarily true. And, you know, this is a forum. People write stuff, so you need to read stuff if you want to have a proper discussion. Of course, if you’re just here to spread your gospel, you’re free to do so. That just doesn’t create a very interesting discussion.
>
> Not reading 700 paragraphs. No one will read 700 paragraphs. But the population is trash because the game is trash people don’t play trash games. Gameplay is one of the reasons why it’s trash.

You implicitly assume here that people in general share your sentiment that the game is “trash”, as you say. However, again referring to my post you refuse to read, the evidence supporting this assumption is shaky at best as I doubt you have performed a detailed survey on the players who bought Halo 5, asking what they think of the game.

On a slightly unrelated note: you should try a book sometimes. They can be quite exciting if you manage to pick one that interests you. They’re also great excercise for feeling more comfortable with reading longer pieces of text.

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> 2. You haven’t played Halo 5
>
> Stop wasting your time

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> Not reading 700 paragraphs. No one will read 700 paragraphs. But the population is trash because the game is trash people don’t play trash games. Gameplay is one of the reasons why it’s trash.

If you don’t read replys to your posts, you void every right to partake in this conversation.
Don’t get me wrong. I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion. But that’s not the point.
This is a discussion forum. Not a soapbox. If you want to spout your opinion without anybody challenging it, open a blog or a YouTube channel. That seems to be what everybody does nowadays anyways.

Btw, reported for stat-flaming.

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> > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
> >
> > nice statistics here.
>
> The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.

Where’s the proof that says this?

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> > > > > > > > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > > > > > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > nice statistics here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Not reading
> > > > > > 2. You haven’t played Halo 5
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stop wasting your time
> > > > >
> > > > > Why? He raises good points, there’s nothing concrete enough that shows “why” in specific people don’t play halo anymore as much as they used to. Nothing wrong with your beliefs in it, I believe it as well cuz 343 are incompetent, but simply saying “x amount play and clearly no one likes it” has no support to it, plus I’d Rather go off halos declining sales more than a guess at the population that 343 has been vague off of as at least it’s a comparable number to the previous games.
> > > > >
> > > > > i would read as again, it’s a good point many, make assumptions they know in specific why or how x happens when it’s really just a speculated guess since there’s nothing to back it, it goes for anything that doesn’t have a bases to it. Plus I myself would get pissed putting up that much text only to be blown off with “you haven’t played h5”. What is the point of that? You don’t need to play a game to understand everything and there have been people in this thread making the best points who haven’t played or played almost to no time on the game. That comment is just as bad as “you have 18 days of time played so clearly you actually DO like the game” that people like to put out for those in disappointment of halo 5. That’s if you’re invalidating him just cause he has t played.
> > > >
> > > > I don’t want to read like 10 paragraphs and it doesn’t matter If he made good pints. More people played the older games over the new so clearly more fans would be accepting of a Halo with original gameplay
> > >
> > > Oh, but it’s hardly a long post if it didn’t even hit the character limit. You should totally read my seven page long analysis on the population history of Halo. :wink:
> > >
> > > Anyway, had you read my previous post, you’d know why your second sentence isn’t necessarily true. And, you know, this is a forum. People write stuff, so you need to read stuff if you want to have a proper discussion. Of course, if you’re just here to spread your gospel, you’re free to do so. That just doesn’t create a very interesting discussion.
> >
> > Not reading 700 paragraphs. No one will read 700 paragraphs. But the population is trash because the game is trash people don’t play trash games. Gameplay is one of the reasons why it’s trash.
>
> You implicitly assume here that people in general share your sentiment that the game is “trash”, as you say. However, again referring to my post you refuse to read, the evidence supporting this assumption is shaky at best as I doubt you have performed a detailed survey on the players who bought Halo 5, asking what they think of the game.
>
> On a slightly unrelated note: you should try a book sometimes. They can be quite exciting if you manage to pick one that interests you. They’re also great excercise for feeling more comfortable with reading longer pieces of text.

I don’t read anything you say here because you haven’t played Halo 5.
They lost half their fan base and the population is like 15k. I don’t need surveys to prove anything we all know the game is a failure. Microsoft will probably force 343 to do a more traditional Halo to appeall to the old fans because there hardly is in any new fans.
All Microsoft care about is money and they’ll do whatever they can to make more money.

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> > > > Halo 6 will probably have original Halo gameplay. Most people that bought Halo 5 dislike the direction and have probably little interest in a game that builds off it. (Population proves this.And people always bash on 343 and halo 5)
> > > > There are still about half of the remaining fans base (which is very small) that are in favor of no sprint Halo aka real Halo lmao. most fans that prefer sprint are old fans that will accept a Halo game with the original gameplay. I believe that they say they prefer sprint because they are used it as it’s been here since Halo 4 and as an ability for Reach. 343 didn’t really bring in any new fans for Halo 4 and 5 so they are still a small portion of the current fan base that probably dislike the old Halo’s. I belive 343 should make a spin off game with Halo 5’s gameplay to satisfy the small 5% new Halo fans.
> > >
> > > nice statistics here.
> >
> > The game as like 15k population clearly no one likes playing The game.
>
> Where’s the proof that says this?

Most played list. The game is doing very bad.