The sprint discussion thread

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> > > > > Welp…he can maybe run…or maybe hit something with a charge I’m still deciding.
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> > > > So you’re going to use Halo Lore as the basis for why we should be able to sprint? I guess we should be able to grab missiles and toss them back since that was done in the books also.
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> > > > I’m so tired of this over used argument… that and the old argument of “Well if you hate sprinting you should just not sprint”.
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> > > > Here JoelWelsh1998Hunterkiller040SORZUSZANEWatch this
> > > > Sprint in Halo is an illusion and CAN NOT be Defended! (Please Read The Description) - YouTube
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> > > Don’t you find it bizarre that this is the only community I know of that has a thread of over 2000+ comments that argue over a game mechanic that lets you run faster. Talk about pathetic, sprint is a tool that when used correctly is a benefit and when used incorrectly is a drawback. As for the youtube vid you linked *slow clap. I cant believe that this guy just wasted 10 minutes of oxygen -Yoinking!- like a little girl about a game mechanic that makes you run a little faster.
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> > Err you miss the point entirely. It changes the map design and whole feel of the game. Games work without it, halo did. It’s not halo anymore. No more tight small maps with intricate skill jumps. No more hard punish if you get caught in the open, no more skill based shortcuts, like narrows where players found jumps to get from top mid to man cannon. Now we have huuuuuge maps with a million corridors and escape routes. Its all been changed to accommodate sprint, to the point where it only looks like halo, a cheap plastic one at that. In terms of feel its nothing like halo. All you will do is post a response that does’nt answer what I brought up, if you bother at all. There was no need to change the game it was FINE. 343 tried to make it like other games no one wanted that so we all quit. Now it has sprint and 30,000 players woohoo its down to 10 percent of the players who would be on regular in 3.
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> Uhh didn’t all the older halo games have huge maps? Sidewinder, Blood Gulch etc. Consider this please. Now look the whole basis around this sprint argument is that it has influenced map design, ok i’m inclined to agree slightly. However the idea that the influence of sprint has caused maps to be larger than before is in my opinion untrue. Cause we have always had big maps and also small maps, now though we can just get to one side of the map faster than before.
> In my original post to you I wasn’t attempting to answer the issues you brought up because I don’t see an issue I frankly could care less if we had sprint or didn’t have sprint, bear in mind this, I knew someone who hadn’t played halo before and we set up a LAN in college to play halo CE and the first thing he said when playing the game is that he wished he had sprint cause to him it felt way too slow, now that’s a point worth noting I think.
> And finally to address the issue you bring up at the end of your post. Look it isn’t 2007 anymore, times have changed for better or for worse depends on your perspective, however the idea that the decrease in player population is a result of Sprint alone is not the case at all.

Those maps are big team maps bro smh. What I’m saying is even the 4v4 maps are now big. Its irreverent. If you want sprint play a different game, we have had our game taken. No it isn just sprint the whole game is nothing like halo. We want HALO it can never be halo with sprint it changes it far too much. The game is just bad now, hadly anyone likes it. We will never get what we want anyway, quake fans got a new classic quake. So maybe its best if halo dies for 10 years and comes back classic.

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> > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> What a great post. I always told people that sprint can not be blamed alone…
> I’m sure the bad story and microtransactions did a lot more to hurt populations. Btw are you pro-sprint? Just wondering.

No. A lot of people on here assume I am though, I quite enjoy both, and find that both have their benefits and disadvantages. I will defend both (which is why some see me as pro-sprint, because if you dare to oppose a single BMS with any point, you must be in love with sprint). My favorite Halo multiplayers are Halo 2A (no sprint) and Reach (only one AA has sprint). And campaigns are Halo 2 (No Sprint) and Halo 3 (Also No Sprint).

But anyways, yes, there are many more contributing factors to hurting the pop from Reach until now. Reach’s overall percieved low quality map design, the general lackluster recieval of Halo 4’s multiplayer, the problems with MCC, the fact that the gaming scene has changed drastically since '07, the fact that up till recently the PS4 outsold the Xbox One, etc, etc, etc.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> > > > > > > > > > > We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
> > > > > > > > > > > My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation
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> > > > > > > > > > Seems weird that having the scope reintroduced would all of a sudden be a bad thing after previous games with it had performed well. Regardless, if those things did have detrimental effects on the game then people would be discussing it. They don’t, so they aren’t. Sprint does, so they are.
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> > > > > > > > > *previous game. Before reintroduction only Halo 1 had it.
> > > > > > > > > But again, point stands that there is no factual evidence that Sprint is the sole or main reason for Halo’s decline
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> > > > > > > > You go on and believe otherwise then. We’ll be here looking at the common denominators throughout the games and determine the reason ourselves as it pertains to this topic.
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> > > > > > > Hey the two halos without a scoped magnum had the best player retention and one was the best selling Halo. Sure seems like a good common denominator to look at. Maybe they should bring back the Halo 2 magnum. :slight_smile:
> > > > > > > And this thread is the sprint discussion thread, so it’d be off topic to look at all the reasons the newer halos haven’t been as successful. We can discuss that in another thread if you like. :slight_smile:
> > > > > > > But for this one, lets stick to the effects that sprint has on the game and not make any completely speculative claims that sprint is the main or sole reason for Halo’s decline.
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> > > > > > Like I said, if the magnum scope had a huge negative effect, people would be talking about it. First you look at the common denominators and then narrow it down from there by looking into the likelihood of each and why. That’s where the critical thinking part comes in (it’s a very important part).
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> > > > > > If someone wants to say sprint is the reason for Halos decline, this is an appropriate place to do so.
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> > > > > But again, it would only lead to your personal opinion or theory, no matter how much critical thinking you put into it. There is no way to make a factual or definitive claim, on this thread or otherwise, that sprint stands as the reason for Halo’s decline. If someone wants to say they feel like sprint is the reason for Halo’s decline, good for them, and this is the right place to do that. But they still shouldn’t go making definitive claims that it is. Like the original poster I responded to did.
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> > > > And if people have different theories, they’ll bring them up. Maybe one day a huge magnum scope theory will pop up and gain traction.
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> > > > So far though, this seems to be the one that has the most support and that doesn’t happen for no reason.
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> > > The reason is people don’t like sprint so they blame it for the downfall of Halo. It’s like a doomsday prepper blaming the whales for the impending apocalypse.
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> > > I don’t like sprint either. It doesn’t need to exist for Halo to be immersive, a lack of sprint isn’t anymore unrealistic compared to a jumping 360 turn airborn snapshot with a sniper rifle, making the pace of gameplay seem faster while traversing deadzones in a map can be done in other ways, FPS games do not require it’s inclusion to function/provide engaging gameplay and it comes with additional baggage responsible for changing other aspects of the game. I’m not going to sit here and make another ridiculous “X is ruining/killed Halo” thread or statement though. Why? Simple, I don’t know it to be true, it’s difficult to prove and, even if it was true, odds are Halo player counts dropping isn’t a result of a single issue.
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> > > Oh… that and it’s another distraction. Much like pages debating whether you truly can kill other players with a plasma pistol, who hurt the feelings of who, what does and doesn’t add to skill gap and various other nonsense likely comprising a good 70 % of this 600+ page thread.
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> > This. This is all so true. I joined the forums to talk about something I love. Halo. But most of the threads are these ridiculous arguments
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> No, we don’t like it because this one mechanic completely changes the overall experiences. We want to play Halo, a unique and special game that was different from all the other shooters on the market. It was simple, again, that’s one of the reasons that made it special. There are lots of different valid arguments against sprint, but to me, this is the main reason I think sprint should go away from the game.
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> For the second guy I quoted, forums have always been a place where people argue. I’m thinking Halo’s subreddit might be a better place, but also that have a bunch of people arguing.

That first guy wasnt saying that people dont like sprint because it caused halos downfall, he says they dont like sprint so they blame it for halos downfall. He even goes on to say he doesnt like sprint.

It’s not that I am opposed to discussion, or back and forth, or even overall arguing for that matter. It is the overall demeanor that many tend to have on here. I have been part of other forums with intense back and forth, but they tended, for the most part, to be generally more respectable and considering of other’s opinions and points than here. It seems like everyone assumes most people are on their side here, that they are undeniably right, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

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> > This. This is all so true. I joined the forums to talk about something I love. Halo. But most of the threads are these ridiculous arguments
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> Then again, these forums would be pretty boring to me without these ridiculous arguments. Not that I endorse the dismissive attitude many people bring with them, but the idea of debating over the merits of different game design choices has always been quite appealing to me, but to each their own. The great thing about forums though is the fact that you can completely ignore the threads you’re not interested in, and affect your experience that way.

That is what most bugs me, is the dismissive attitude that people bring with them. Its not the debate or argument necessarily. It is how it is carried out that frustrates me.

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> > > > > > > Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> > > > > > We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
> > > > > > My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation
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> > > > > Seems weird that having the scope reintroduced would all of a sudden be a bad thing after previous games with it had performed well. Regardless, if those things did have detrimental effects on the game then people would be discussing it. They don’t, so they aren’t. Sprint does, so they are.
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> > > > *previous game. Before reintroduction only Halo 1 had it.
> > > > But again, point stands that there is no factual evidence that Sprint is the sole or main reason for Halo’s decline
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> > > You go on and believe otherwise then. We’ll be here looking at the common denominators throughout the games and determine the reason ourselves as it pertains to this topic.
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> > Hey the two halos without a scoped magnum had the best player retention and one was the best selling Halo. Sure seems like a good common denominator to look at. Maybe they should bring back the Halo 2 magnum. :slight_smile:
> > And this thread is the sprint discussion thread, so it’d be off topic to look at all the reasons the newer halos haven’t been as successful. We can discuss that in another thread if you like. :slight_smile:
> > But for this one, lets stick to the effects that sprint has on the game and not make any completely speculative claims that sprint is the main or sole reason for Halo’s decline.
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> Bro your like a climate change deniar. You would rather defend it because you like it, rather than concede the truth. The community will never be big until it goes back. Do you think fans of any hardcore mp game would accept changes this big? Nope they would boycott it, which is what what we are doing. The game isn’t halo anymore why don’t you understand that, NOT HALO. I know I’m going to add roller skates and jetpacks to basketball, its only another movement option, its still basketball! Cue everybody stopping watching. Then people like you will say, people also stopped watching x y and z happened, so you have no proof its the skates or jetpacks ignoring the obvious truth.

Lol, no. You are just assuming you are undeniably right. First off, yes I like sprint, but I prefer older Halos. (but not because they dont have sprint, for a variety of other reasons). Your hypothetical basketball situation doesnt work here, as you can only speculate that people would actually stop watching, as well as how it is completely unrealistic. You know what would also probably get people to stop watching basketball? Making it a rule that no one is allowed to run. But again, that is ridiculous and doesnt work in this situation. And neither does your small samlple size of people you play with. Most people I played Halo with continued to play through Reach and 4, and most who dont play now dont play because they are on PS4 rather than Xbox. Does that mean that the PS4 is Halo’s downfall rather than sprint? NO! My group of people I play with is also an extremely small sample size. Not representative of the entire Halo community,

And your last post about thrusters, ground pound, spartan charge, and AA is also only representative of your opinion and that of your friends. I have seen many people on this forum and elsewhere who really love thrusters, and ground pound, but dislike sprint. I have seen people who like Reach’s armor abilities, but dislike that sprint became a permanent, non AA mechanic. I could come up with more,

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> > > > So you’re going to use Halo Lore as the basis for why we should be able to sprint? I guess we should be able to grab missiles and toss them back since that was done in the books also.
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> > > > I’m so tired of this over used argument… that and the old argument of “Well if you hate sprinting you should just not sprint”.
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> > > > Here JoelWelsh1998Hunterkiller040SORZUSZANEWatch this
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I cant not believe you took a joke into a discussion on whether they look like they’re running or not…that…is…so…pathetically…FUNNY. I mean seriously, thats kinda lame.

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> > > > > So you’re going to use Halo Lore as the basis for why we should be able to sprint? I guess we should be able to grab missiles and toss them back since that was done in the books also.
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> > > > > I’m so tired of this over used argument… that and the old argument of “Well if you hate sprinting you should just not sprint”.
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> > > > Dude it’s a joke…It’s funny to think of a super soldier who can’t even run…
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Ok man… if you paid any attention you’d be able to see that I was responding to Sparatan 117. Not you.

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The Moderators have asked us to keep all topics of Sprint, exclusively in here. We’ll just have to reference it any time we want to bring up topics of discussion.

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None of those things fundementally changed gameplay and map design.

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Either way. Its still speculation. There’s no hard evidence of sprint being the cause of Halo’s decline

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> > > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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No. But it’s outright ignorant to believe that it isn’t part of the reason.

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There’s no evidence saying it isn’t.

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> Either way. Its still speculation. There’s no hard evidence of sprint being the cause of Halo’s decline

It’s not speculation as to if whether or not it was the cause. Just how much of a cause it was in comparison to all the other alienating features brought in on top of it.

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You’re point? That doesn’t make it the cause.

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For all we know it could be incrediblyminiscule. And there is No proof that any of the added ‘alienating’ features have been the causeeither. There is no hard evidence that AA caused a huge decline, that loadouts did, that the DMR did, that the PS4 did, etc, etc, etc. Its simplestatistics. We cannot make a definitive statement in this regard because we don’t know the stats.

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> > > > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > > > Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> > > > None of those things fundementally changed gameplay and map design.
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> > > Either way. Its still speculation. There’s no hard evidence of sprint being the cause of Halo’s decline
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> > > Either way. Its still speculation. There’s no hard evidence of sprint being the cause of Halo’s decline
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> > It’s not speculation as to if whether or not it was the cause. Just how much of a cause it was in comparison to all the other alienating features brought in on top of it.
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> For all we know it could be incrediblyminiscule. And there is proof that any if the features have been the causeeither. There is no hard evidence that AA caused a huge decline, that loadouts did, that the DMR did, that the PS4 did, etc, etc, etc. Its simplestatistics. We cannot make a definitive statement in this regard because we don’t know the stats.

In my opinion it is a huge part of the issue. That’s why we’re here debating.

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> For all we know it could be incrediblyminiscule. And there is No proof that any of the added ‘alienating’ features have been the causeeither. There is no hard evidence that AA caused a huge decline, that loadouts did, that the DMR did, that the PS4 did, etc, etc, etc. Its simplestatistics. We cannot make a definitive statement in this regard because we don’t know the stats.

Out of all of those… How would the DMR be alienating. Sprint is, AAs are, Loadouts are. That makes sense… But the DMR doesn’t. I’d entirely argue you can say that sprint was a cause for it, but saying it’s the entire cause is misguided.

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> > > > I’m not actually suggesting that 125%-150% of BMS is not controllable. I’m suggesting that controlling one BMS from 0-150% of the default BMS for walking in Halo is what’s uncontrollable. That’s why it’s so much better and more consistent for gameplay purposes to walk at a normal pace of 0-100% of BMS using that handy, dandy analog stick… And only pressing that sweet sprint button to go faster when it’s actually needed; depending on the situation.
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> > > Who’d go for the latter?
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As long as it’s Halo without sprint. I’ll admit that Halo 5’s gameplay functions the best since Halo 3 imo. However, sprint is only serving to over complicate Halo.

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> > For all we know it could be incrediblyminiscule. And there is No proof that any of the added ‘alienating’ features have been the causeeither. There is no hard evidence that AA caused a huge decline, that loadouts did, that the DMR did, that the PS4 did, etc, etc, etc. Its simplestatistics. We cannot make a definitive statement in this regard because we don’t know the stats.
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Yes to alienation from sprint, aa and loadouts. Those don’t work well, but I could see how dmr does as well, simply because of it’s effective range in the arena setting. Also, no one ever said the dmr has to be placed on the map either. It goes both ways.Mainly sprint just needs to go away tho! :wink:

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Hey you never know. And I legitimately had someone message me the other day saying they hated the DMR’sninclusion in Halo Reach.

You can argue I suppose that sprint was a cause. But that’s about it. As there are some players we know of who have dropped Halo because of sprint. You can’t know how significant that number is, or how major of a cause sprint it. Simply that it is a cause. I could say the same thing about the DMR. Or the exit of Bungie, not the performance of 343, just the exit of Bungie, the inclusion of radar, the removal of loadouts after Halo 4… Etc

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> > > > > > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > > > > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > > Either way. Its still speculation. There’s no hard evidence of sprint being the cause of Halo’s decline
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> > > > Either way. Its still speculation. There’s no hard evidence of sprint being the cause of Halo’s decline
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> > > It’s not speculation as to if whether or not it was the cause. Just how much of a cause it was in comparison to all the other alienating features brought in on top of it.
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> > For all we know it could be incrediblyminiscule. And there is proof that any if the features have been the causeeither. There is no hard evidence that AA caused a huge decline, that loadouts did, that the DMR did, that the PS4 did, etc, etc, etc. Its simplestatistics. We cannot make a definitive statement in this regard because we don’t know the stats.
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> In my opinion it is a huge part of the issue. That’s why we’re here debating.

Thank you! You are more than welcome to have that as your opinion. I don’t have a problem with that. But when you make definitive statements such as ‘sprint is the cause For halos loss of popularity’ rather than ‘I think, I’m pretty sure, in my opinion, sprint is the cause for halos drop off’.