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> There’s no way I can read all these, I kind of wish this thread would go away. Some like it, some don’t, I get it. It’s part of the game, deal with it.
No, we won’t just “deal” with it. We want Halo to play like Halo again. Removing sprint would be a great first step. It’s part of the game now, but it doesn’t have to be in future titles.
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> Sprinting makes things easier
The point is that sprinting doesn’t belong in Halo.
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> Sprint helps players get across the map alot quicker even though it gives the enemy an advantage to detect were you are ,
> but it can help and compromise you and many ways finally it give it more of an realistic atmosphere with human muscles.
Except that maps are stretched out now in comparison to older Halo maps. You could say sprinting in Halo 5 and 4 is the equivalent of the BSM in Halo 2 or Halo 3.
Even still, we shouldn’t rewrite the Halo formula just for the sake of getting around easier.
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> > > > Let’s be honest, with the current state of Halo sprint is the least thing people want to get removed or even modified.
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> > > Thats what I`m saying. But the over-vocal minority just continually whines about a game mechanic which actually increases skill gap.
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> > > Let me state this once again for you incredibly dense people.
> > > MORE MOVEMENT POSSIBILITIES AND DECISION MAKING INCREASES THE SKILL GAP. PERIOD.
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> > > I wish these people were as motivated to tack the real issues such as radar, splinter nades, spartan charge, map design, hitboxes, bullet magnetism, the list goes on.
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> > The thing about saying things is that just because you say them that doesn’t make it true. That’s not how words work.
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> No, the fact that if you are sprinting at the wrong time or place and you die because of it does. I keep giving reasons why sprint does increase skill gap and all you guys can do is yell
> “NUH UH, YOU ARE WRONG!!”
No it causes cheap kills, even in pro matches people just get shot first and die. You can’t predict every time when not to sprint and then you get punished for moving, also the maps in this game suck making it easy to get around corners to drop nades and recharge. In old halos the maps require more skill to traverse, strafing and ghandi hopping was higher level. You have already been explained to that when someone sprints you can’t pursue at the same speed and shoot. This sucks, that wasn’t the gameplay of halo. It basically cod but you can’t take a bunch of shots while you run away. It’s busted and makesee the game turgid. The game has less players than months old single player games. No one likes it, like 7000 pexpel where watching official MS tournaments on twitch this month. That is pathEric, competitively no one gives a -Yoink-, the only reason there are pros is because ms put up big prize funds. They don’t have any 3rd party tournaments like other esports of today.
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> > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > You couldn’t of said it any better. That’s why I stick to older Halo titles like 2 and 3 because the fundamentals of those games are perfect. Sprint implemented into Halo doesn’t feel or play like Halo anymore. Please bring back the golden-triangle 343i 
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> It’s not even that it doesn’t feel like Halo. It just doesn’t feel good.
Very good well said posts. I don’t like when people who were poopooing in their nappies in 2004/7 era saying negative stuff about this forum. Ms studios, 343!!! Look at gears of war 4, this is how to make a game, respect the tradition and tell a story. Not to clone other shooters and throw a story which would not be good enough for a indie game.
Halo now not even close to be a good game, playing older Halos on MCC? They are all rubbish on mcc they are tweaked pc games with changed parameters, 360 versions are The definite versions even on lower res/30frame.
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> > > THE ALL NEW SPACE MARINE SUPER SOLDIER. CAPABLE OF DESTROYING COVENANT FLEETS ALL BY THEMSELVES. AND ARE SMARTER FASTER AND STRONGER THEN ANY OTHER MARINE.
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> > > So ummm, whats his abilities…
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> > > Welp…he can maybe run…or maybe hit something with a charge I’m still deciding.
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> > So you’re going to use Halo Lore as the basis for why we should be able to sprint? I guess we should be able to grab missiles and toss them back since that was done in the books also.
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> > I’m so tired of this over used argument… that and the old argument of “Well if you hate sprinting you should just not sprint”.
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> > Here JoelWelsh1998Hunterkiller040SORZUSZANEWatch this
> > Sprint in Halo is an illusion and CAN NOT be Defended! (Please Read The Description) - YouTube
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> Dude it’s a joke…It’s funny to think of a super soldier who can’t even run…
When in halo are you not running? If you’re holding the stick forward on the controller, you’re running.
The only reason I don’t like sprint is because how you can’t recharge your shields when running unless you have upgraded thrusters
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> > > > Let’s be honest, with the current state of Halo sprint is the least thing people want to get removed or even modified.
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> > > Let’s start with gameplay issues first and move onto everything else after that. Gameplay’s what’s most important, which makes the matter of sprint individually more important than most other issues.
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> > anyways how does sprint damage Halo? I haven’t seen anybody stop playing because they just don’t like sprint, that’s stupid, is just another movement option to go faster from one place to another, and don’t tell the excuse that it modifies the map design, because it doesn’t, take for example Halo online, it had classic maps that worked perfectly with sprint, also reach had a very good and fun map design in my opinion, I’ve played cuztoms on Halo 5 diabling sprint and they work perfectly, they just feel more slow paced, also if everyone care so much of the gameplay issues why has anyone argue about the terrible respawn system and timer in WZFF, as well as some glitches in both Arena and WZ maps where everyone starts to cheat, but it isn’t the case, you don’t do constructive argues for gameplay issues, you just want to complain about sprint and I don’t know the -Yoink- why.
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> You should take note of what I told Precision about how just saying things doesn’t make them true.
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> What I will do is ask what do you like about sprint?
that it at least doesn’t damage the game reputation like the req/microtransaction system, bad map design, lack of content, mediocre campaign etc does, think how would you market the game so it looks popular and is much better now, telling “the game is now totally complete at it’s launch and the DLC are for completely new content, the story is deep and dramatic, the maps are now diverse and unique, every game feature works correctly, the loved classic artstyle is back, and ther full customization too” or you’ll tell “it has one less movement option which actually is vital for other movement option, so they’re 2 movement options removed from the game” which sounds better??? the only thing sprint does is making the game more fast paced, while other issues are completely destroying the gameplay, that’s why I not like, but approve it, I really don’t care that much about sprint, but removing it would be a huge step back for the gameplay, the effort of the workers to fit it to the game to just be thrown away by the community.
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> Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> > > > So ummm, whats his abilities…
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> > > > Welp…he can maybe run…or maybe hit something with a charge I’m still deciding.
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> > > So you’re going to use Halo Lore as the basis for why we should be able to sprint? I guess we should be able to grab missiles and toss them back since that was done in the books also.
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> > > I’m so tired of this over used argument… that and the old argument of “Well if you hate sprinting you should just not sprint”.
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> > > Here JoelWelsh1998Hunterkiller040SORZUSZANEWatch this
> > > Sprint in Halo is an illusion and CAN NOT be Defended! (Please Read The Description) - YouTube
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> > Dude it’s a joke…It’s funny to think of a super soldier who can’t even run…
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> When in halo are you not running? If you’re holding the stick forward on the controller, you’re running.
If you watch the character movements for Spartans in Halo 3, they usually don’t look like they’re running. Mire like a jog.
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> > > > > Let’s be honest, with the current state of Halo sprint is the least thing people want to get removed or even modified.
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> > > > Let’s start with gameplay issues first and move onto everything else after that. Gameplay’s what’s most important, which makes the matter of sprint individually more important than most other issues.
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> > > anyways how does sprint damage Halo? I haven’t seen anybody stop playing because they just don’t like sprint, that’s stupid, is just another movement option to go faster from one place to another, and don’t tell the excuse that it modifies the map design, because it doesn’t, take for example Halo online, it had classic maps that worked perfectly with sprint, also reach had a very good and fun map design in my opinion, I’ve played cuztoms on Halo 5 diabling sprint and they work perfectly, they just feel more slow paced, also if everyone care so much of the gameplay issues why has anyone argue about the terrible respawn system and timer in WZFF, as well as some glitches in both Arena and WZ maps where everyone starts to cheat, but it isn’t the case, you don’t do constructive argues for gameplay issues, you just want to complain about sprint and I don’t know the -Yoink- why.
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> > You should take note of what I told Precision about how just saying things doesn’t make them true.
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> > What I will do is ask what do you like about sprint?
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> that it at least doesn’t damage the game reputation like the req/microtransaction system, bad map design, lack of content, mediocre campaign etc does, think how would you market the game so it looks popular and is much better now, telling “the game is now totally complete at it’s launch and the DLC are for completely new content, the story is deep and dramatic, the maps are now diverse and unique, every game feature works correctly, the loved classic artstyle is back, and ther full customization too” or you’ll tell “it has one less movement option which actually is vital for other movement option, so they’re 2 movement options removed from the game” which sounds better??? the only thing sprint does is making the game more fast paced, while other issues are completely destroying the gameplay, that’s why I not like, but approve it, I really don’t care that much about sprint, but removing it would be a huge step back for the gameplay, the effort of the workers to fit it to the game to just be thrown away by the community.
So with the exception of the bolded, you only told me why you don’t dislike it. So for the bolded, not only is that not true, but even if it were, why is sprint better for making the game faster paced than either increasing the BMS or widening the FoV? The pro-sprint argument of “sprint doesn’t hurt the game” is really more of an argument not to include it since at best that means it’s an unnecessary waste of time and resources.
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> > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation, as statistics-wise, the argument has no factual basis.
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> > > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> > Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
> My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation
Seems weird that having the scope reintroduced would all of a sudden be a bad thing after previous games with it had performed well. Regardless, if those things did have detrimental effects on the game then people would be discussing it. They don’t, so they aren’t. Sprint does, so they are.
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> > > > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > > Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> > > Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> > We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
> > My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation
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> Seems weird that having the scope reintroduced would all of a sudden be a bad thing after previous games with it had performed well. Regardless, if those things did have detrimental effects on the game then people would be discussing it. They don’t, so they aren’t. Sprint does, so they are.
*previous game. Before reintroduction only Halo 1 had it. We can even argue that the Halo games without it have been overall better received, and Halo 3, which lacked it, was the best selling Halo.
But again, point stands that there is no factual evidence that Sprint is the sole or main reason for Halo’s decline
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> > > > > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > > > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > > > Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> > > > Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> > > We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
> > > My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation
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> > Seems weird that having the scope reintroduced would all of a sudden be a bad thing after previous games with it had performed well. Regardless, if those things did have detrimental effects on the game then people would be discussing it. They don’t, so they aren’t. Sprint does, so they are.
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> *previous game. Before reintroduction only Halo 1 had it.
> But again, point stands that there is no factual evidence that Sprint is the sole or main reason for Halo’s decline
You go on and believe otherwise then. We’ll be here looking at the common denominators throughout the games and determine the reason ourselves as it pertains to this topic.
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> > > > > > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > > > > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > > > > Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> > > > > Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> > > > We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
> > > > My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation
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> > > Seems weird that having the scope reintroduced would all of a sudden be a bad thing after previous games with it had performed well. Regardless, if those things did have detrimental effects on the game then people would be discussing it. They don’t, so they aren’t. Sprint does, so they are.
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> > *previous game. Before reintroduction only Halo 1 had it.
> > But again, point stands that there is no factual evidence that Sprint is the sole or main reason for Halo’s decline
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> You go on and believe otherwise then. We’ll be here looking at the common denominators throughout the games and determine the reason ourselves as it pertains to this topic.
Hey the two halos without a scoped magnum had the best player retention and one was the best selling Halo. Sure seems like a good common denominator to look at. Maybe they should bring back the Halo 2 magnum. 
And this thread is the sprint discussion thread, so it’d be off topic to look at all the reasons the newer halos haven’t been as successful. We can discuss that in another thread if you like.
But for this one, lets stick to the effects that sprint has on the game and not make any completely speculative claims that sprint is the main or sole reason for Halo’s decline.
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> > > > > > > > Sprint killed Halo. Absolutely killed it. Game cannot hold a population at all ever since sprint was introduced. It just doesn’t fit and it fundamentally alters the game.
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> > > > > > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > > > > > Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> > > > > > Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> > > > > We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
> > > > > My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation
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> > > > Seems weird that having the scope reintroduced would all of a sudden be a bad thing after previous games with it had performed well. Regardless, if those things did have detrimental effects on the game then people would be discussing it. They don’t, so they aren’t. Sprint does, so they are.
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> > > *previous game. Before reintroduction only Halo 1 had it.
> > > But again, point stands that there is no factual evidence that Sprint is the sole or main reason for Halo’s decline
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> > You go on and believe otherwise then. We’ll be here looking at the common denominators throughout the games and determine the reason ourselves as it pertains to this topic.
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> Hey the two halos without a scoped magnum had the best player retention and one was the best selling Halo. Sure seems like a good common denominator to look at. Maybe they should bring back the Halo 2 magnum.
> And this thread is the sprint discussion thread, so it’d be off topic to look at all the reasons the newer halos haven’t been as successful. We can discuss that in another thread if you like.
> But for this one, lets stick to the effects that sprint has on the game and not make any completely speculative claims that sprint is the main or sole reason for Halo’s decline.
Like I said, if the magnum scope had a huge negative effect, people would be talking about it. First you look at the common denominators and then narrow it down from there by looking into the likelihood of each and why. That’s where the critical thinking part comes in (it’s a very important part).
If someone wants to say sprint is the reason for Halos decline, this is an appropriate place to do so.
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> > > > > > > > Game absolutely cannot hold a population since the elites changed design, since the DMR was introduced, since the magnum had a scope reintroduced, so are those reason’s for Halo’s fall as well?
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> > > > > > > > Just saying sprint is the reason is pure speculation.
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> > > > > > > Just curious, how do the elites design, the DMR, and a magnum scope fundamentally alter the game?
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> > > > > > We could argue the magnum scope does as you spawn with it in nearly every mode and always have. But in reality they don’t. And nearly this whole thread is about whether or not sprint does.
> > > > > > My reply was intended to convey that sprint being the only or main reason for halos decline is speculation
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> > > > > Seems weird that having the scope reintroduced would all of a sudden be a bad thing after previous games with it had performed well. Regardless, if those things did have detrimental effects on the game then people would be discussing it. They don’t, so they aren’t. Sprint does, so they are.
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> > > > *previous game. Before reintroduction only Halo 1 had it.
> > > > But again, point stands that there is no factual evidence that Sprint is the sole or main reason for Halo’s decline
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> > > You go on and believe otherwise then. We’ll be here looking at the common denominators throughout the games and determine the reason ourselves as it pertains to this topic.
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> > Hey the two halos without a scoped magnum had the best player retention and one was the best selling Halo. Sure seems like a good common denominator to look at. Maybe they should bring back the Halo 2 magnum.
> > And this thread is the sprint discussion thread, so it’d be off topic to look at all the reasons the newer halos haven’t been as successful. We can discuss that in another thread if you like.
> > But for this one, lets stick to the effects that sprint has on the game and not make any completely speculative claims that sprint is the main or sole reason for Halo’s decline.
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> Like I said, if the magnum scope had a huge negative effect, people would be talking about it. First you look at the common denominators and then narrow it down from there by looking into the likelihood of each and why. That’s where the critical thinking part comes in (it’s a very important part).
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> If someone wants to say sprint is the reason for Halos decline, this is an appropriate place to do so.
But again, it would only lead to your personal opinion or theory, no matter how much critical thinking you put into it. There is no way to make a factual or definitive claim, on this thread or otherwise, that sprint stands as the reason for Halo’s decline. If someone wants to say they feel like sprint is the reason for Halo’s decline, good for them, and this is the right place to do that. But they still shouldn’t go making definitive claims that it is. Like the original poster I responded to did.