The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> Those arguments being larger maps, having to put a gun down, and cat and mouse gameplay. The problem with these three arguments is that they have existed in games before sprint, and therefore, to 343i or anyone with any actual say in the franchise, these problems are not related to sprint.
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Weapons down were “a problem before sprint”? What?
Of course you can have issues like that without sprint, they are issues on their own due to problems in other aspects of the game design. However, and a big however, that doesn’t mean sprint isn’t more fuel on the fire.

You do realise that the existense of sprint in Halo does not exempt anyone from your “burden of proof” phrase? Its existence is not proof of any claim other than “Sprint is in Halo”.

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I think that theres already so much stuff your spartan can do taking our sprint would just make it weird. Honestly you’re a genetically augmented super soldier, you should be able to run for…ever.

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I don’t understand why people hate sprint so much. Without sprint halo was so slow (not saying other halo games are bad).

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> I don’t understand why people hate sprint so much. Without sprint halo was so slow (not saying other halo games are bad).

That’s a placebo caused by a constricted FoV, not the movement speed being slow, given older movement speeds were the same as what sprint is now.

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> I think that theres already so much stuff your spartan can do taking our sprint would just make it weird. Honestly you’re a genetically augmented super soldier, you should be able to run for…ever.

Immersion isn’t justification for inclusion, given the side effects of said mechanic’s inclusion.

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Your fancy words don’t make a case.

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No, it’s not the fancy words, it’s the basis of his argument and the logic and facts behind it that make a case

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> Your fancy words don’t make a case.

I mean, they entirely do. Your immersion in game is an opinion. An opinion cannot be used as justification (or reason) for inclusion (bringing it in) because sprint has much more of an effect on the game than just immersion. It changes map design, pacing, flow, the skillgap. You can like it, but to base your reasoning on being a super soldier isn’t good enough. It’s good as a subjective point, depending on the conversation, but not as an objective “it should stay” reason.

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Hey don’t you give her that… There’s nothing “fancy,” about her words in that post. There’s nothing you could ever say or do that would change her stance on sprint so you’re best not to engage.

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> Hey don’t you give her that… There’s nothing “fancy,” about her words at all

You’re right. Now try and find a way to debate those words properly.

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Find a way to “debate,” with you about sprint?? I would like to do that; unfortunately that hasn’t been possible- based upon the way you have argued about sprint with me in this thread.

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> Find a way to “debate,” with you about sprint?? Not possible, I’d have better luck trying to debate with a brick wall.

I didn’t say you needed to debate with me, specifically, did I?

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I love how he’s referring you to a brick wall, when he himself avoided tons of questions he couldn’t give an answer to throughout this thread.

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Oh I’ve answered tons and tons of questions.

But there’s a difference between restraining myself from engaging in an illogical heated argument about sprint with someone trying to use reverse logic (sometimes no logic) versus discussing the points in this debate logically. Most of the time the points have already been discussed and debated back and forth then someone just tries to pull it back up to argue about it again.

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> But there’s a difference between restraining myself from engaging in an illogical heated argument about sprint with someone trying to use reverse logic (sometimes no logic) versus discussing the points in this debate logically.

You mean illogical arguments like AAs being picked up in campaign and PP kills in a specific game type that uses PPs as the only weapon with a 1sk to prove your points?

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> You mean illogical arguments like AAs being picked up in campaign and PP kills in a specific game type that uses PPs as the only weapon with a 1sk to prove your points?

It was stated that AA’s were not pickups in Reach. Nothing about MP was stated. I posted an image of AA pickups from Halo Reach to show that there were AA pickups in Reach… Couldn’t possibly be any more logical than that.

It was stated that PP’s could not be used to get kills in Halo. I posted multiple sources to definitely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that PP’s can be used to get kills in Halo… Couldn’t possibly be any more logical than that.

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> It was stated that PP’s could not be used to get kills in Halo. I posted multiple sources to definitely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that PP’s can be used to get kills in Halo… Couldn’t possibly be any more logical than that.

thats my BAE -Yoink!-. go SIIN.

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I prefer the sprint, slide and thrusts. It adds more unpredictable movements to the game, making some strafe variations pretty hard to predict.
Keep it and stop being so salty about it.

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So in the last 100 or so pages of debate where Sin has pretty much took it upon himself to champion the pro sprint cause fending off (successfully/unseuccessfully?) multiple attacks from anti sprinters, I think we can all agree no one is changing anyones opinion anytime soon

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So recently @FightingChances asked me to provide examples as to how sprint has helped me in Halo.

> How has sprint helped you and your friends win or lose? Just give me straight up response. Examples or whatever, not links to posts.

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> I don’t think you understood what I’m asking. How has it helped you means “Did you win because you used sprint to do something spectacular?”

A few minutes ago I closed out such a game in a Doubles match (thanks to sprint) with under a minute to go when we were down 22-24.

As time was ticking away towards an otherwise certain defeat I utilized sprint (along with 2 shots remaining in my sniper rifle) to help chase down and eliminate the enemy team.

For the sake of brevity in the clip, I cut out the first kill that I got which made it 23-24 which is where this short 30 second clip picks up. If I didn’t have sprint to help me chase down and eliminate this camping enemy team they could have easily sat back and drained the time out in this match.

Summary: Just watch how sprint helps: make this game feel so much closer and suspenseful, increase the tension in the situation, and lead to a much more exciting finish to the outcome of the game (Compared to if I was just walking).

I went back through and found some additional “bonus clips” (below) that I’ve made in the past to demonstrate how sprint helps make each play happen and how sprint benefits gameplay in Halo. What better way to talk about how sprint helps in Halo than to just show you guys in some highlights!! So grab some popcorn, sit back on the couch, and enjoy!! :wink:

Bonus clip #1: No matter how much you practice your 4-shot, you’ll never beat this one-shot

Summary: I used sprint in order to quickly make an all-out dash to recover my fallen sniper rifle before it would have been either a) taken by somebody else or b) just disappeared on the despawn timer (Either case would have been much more likely than recovering this important power weapon if I would have had to have tried to walk back to retrieve my weapon without sprint. Plus- I probably would have needed to get into an engagement just to get it back). Instead I was able to run back, snag the sniper, and pop this enemy with a quick snap shot in order to help hang on to a narrow lead in this match.

Bonus clip #2: Responding to the call

Summary: At about 5:02 left in the game one of my teammates who was a long ways away from me called for help. Thanks to sprint I was able to get there quickly and respond to his call outs in order to deliver the play that sealed our victory in this match.

Bonus clip #3: Assault on the Warthog

Summary: I used sprint to dash into position in order to surprise the enemy team and take this Warthog down (with a little Ring Around The Rosie action going on). This came late in the game and helped us seal the victory in this BTB match.

Bonus clip #4: Getting off to a hot start on Molten

Summary: During an Arena match on Doubles I effectively utilized sprint to blitz the enemy spawn location at the onset of this match on Doubles, then proceed to made a dash for the sniper rifle which helped the team get off to a massive lead early during this match.

Bonus clip #5: Get off my hill, bruh…

Summary: Sprint enabled me to close down on this enemy and make this cool-looking assassination quickly in order to make the play happen before they even had a chance to react.

Bonus clip #6: <em>Killionaire (plus one) with the Sniper Rifle</em>.

Summary: Picked up this Nornfang 'Naire when playing Warzone on Skirmish at Darkstar. This shows that it’s more challenging and fun to try and hit enemies that are both walking and sprinting (As opposed to if they had just one constant BMS which would have made this play much less suspenseful)

Bonus clip #7: <em>No-scope FTW on Doubles</em>

You’ll have to forgive the hype (and language) in this clip. This was the match where I hit Onyx in Doubles last season so I was pretty excited for the win.Summary: I took advantage of the enemy’s incorrect usage of sprint when they charged me near the end of this game by sealing the deal with the one timer snipe. This is a good example of how sprint helps add another element of skill to the game and can be used both offensively and defensively.

Bonus clip #8: Gotchyer back teammate!!

Summary: Sprint enabled me to respond to my teammates call out quicker and more effectively during this play as I used it to help me get into position before dropping down on the enemy team with the double kill.

Bonus clip #9: Beat that Knight with a stick…

Summary: Sprint is useful when combined with the additional speed that the Gravity Hammer has to offer (as evident in this clip). In this particular play I was able to dash past all the other enemies with sprint in order to focus solely on taking out the Mythic boss to win the match. Another point supporting sprint helping here is that the timer on this final round was about to expire (I was barely able to finish off this boss with under a minute to spare thanks to sprint)

Bonus clip #10: Rapid succession

Summary: Sprint helped me get into the perfect position in order to make these rapid head shots which helped the team push the enemy back early on during this game.

Bonus clip #11: Two quick snapshots to the face

Summary: Nothing too special about this play; however I posted it to demonstrate how sprint can help close the gap between enemies faster in order to build up better kill steaks more frequently (Such as the double kill in this clip which was made possible because of sprint)

Bonus clip #12: Is there NO ONE else?!

Summary: While it’s not captured during this 30-second XBL highlight clip; sprint helped set this play up. I utilized sprint in order to dash past the AIs in Noctus and run straight into the core room where this snapshot overkill took place. My teammates were able to follow in after me and core the enemy team FTW right behind the hole that I opened up with this play.

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