sprint makes sniping in the open a little harder
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> > > I like the sprint feature. It makes games more fast paced and exciting.
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> > Can you actually engage with a mechanical argument instead of regugitating the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews? It’s like I’m watching Halo Enthusiests Argue with an Automated Response system.
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> > “This Feature is Great and Fun because It is Great and Fun and we said so. Sleep Consume Obey.”
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> That’s notat all “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews,” nor does this person need to engage in an argument with you to claim that they like having sprint in Halo.
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> Pro sprinters have given tons and tons other reasons as to why sprint should remain in Halo; whether or not you disagree with those reasons is another issue. Plus anti sprinters have routinely cited polls in this thread; point is that those polls boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone white knight as hard as you. You seem to have a hard time letting people speak for themselves. If Legendsheep has something to say to anyone that’s responded to him, he’ll say it. He doesn’t need you to come in and act like his mommy. Same goes for anyone else you decide to defend.
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> > That’s not at all “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews,” nor does this person need to engage in an argument with you to claim that they like having sprint in Halo.
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> > Pro sprinters have given tons and tons other reasons as to why sprint should remain in Halo; whether or not you disagree with those reasons is another issue. Plus anti sprinters have routinely cited polls in this thread; point is that those polls boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote.
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> I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone white knight as hard as you. You seem to have a hard time letting people speak for themselves. If Legendsheep has something to say to anyone that’s responded to him, he’ll say it. He doesn’t need you to come in and act like his mommy. Same goes for anyone else you decide to defend.
It’s not about “white knight[ing],” anything- it’s about simply just letting people speak their minds about sprint within the sprint discussion thread without attacking them and making this thread appear to be ransacked with toxic posters.
That person was brand new to this thread and merely stated a) that they liked sprint and b) provided some reasoning as to why they liked sprint only to immediately get jumped on by an anti sprinter who tells them that their entire post was, “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews.” That doesn’t seem unfair to you at all? Especially since in his thread I’ve seen you yourself even reference polls on sprint which boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without anyone having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote.
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> > > > I like the sprint feature. It makes games more fast paced and exciting.
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> > > Can you actually engage with a mechanical argument instead of regugitating the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews? It’s like I’m watching Halo Enthusiests Argue with an Automated Response system.
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> > > “This Feature is Great and Fun because It is Great and Fun and we said so. Sleep Consume Obey.”
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> > That’s notat all “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews,” nor does this person need to engage in an argument with you to claim that they like having sprint in Halo.
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> > Pro sprinters have given tons and tons other reasons as to why sprint should remain in Halo; whether or not you disagree with those reasons is another issue. Plus anti sprinters have routinely cited polls in this thread; point is that those polls boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote.
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> I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone white knight as hard as you. You seem to have a hard time letting people speak for themselves. If Legendsheep has something to say to anyone that’s responded to him, he’ll say it. He doesn’t need you to come in and act like his mommy. Same goes for anyone else you decide to defend.
Nothing wrong with what he said. It is perfectly ok to defend someone on here. Whether they ask for it it not. He was more defending his right to say what he said without discussing it, than the actual material in the post…
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> > > That’s not at all “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews,” nor does this person need to engage in an argument with you to claim that they like having sprint in Halo.
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> > > Pro sprinters have given tons and tons other reasons as to why sprint should remain in Halo; whether or not you disagree with those reasons is another issue. Plus anti sprinters have routinely cited polls in this thread; point is that those polls boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote.
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> > I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone white knight as hard as you. You seem to have a hard time letting people speak for themselves. If Legendsheep has something to say to anyone that’s responded to him, he’ll say it. He doesn’t need you to come in and act like his mommy. Same goes for anyone else you decide to defend.
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> It’s not about “white knight[ing],” anything- it’s about simply just letting people speak their minds about sprint within the sprint discussion thread without attacking them and making this thread appear to be ransacked with toxic posters.
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> That person was brand new to this thread and merely stated a) that they liked sprint and b) provided some reasoning as to why they liked sprint only to immediately get jumped on by an anti sprinter who tells them that their entire post was, “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews.” That doesn’t seem unfair to you at all? Especially since in his thread I’ve seen you yourself even reference polls on sprint which boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without anyone having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote.
Or the fact that the same 5-10 arguments on both sides have been repeated hundreds of times throughout this thread
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> That’s not at all “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews,” nor does this person need to engage in an argument with you to claim that they like having sprint in Halo.
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> Pro sprinters have given tons and tons other reasons as to why sprint should remain in Halo; whether or not you disagree with those reasons is another issue. Plus anti sprinters have routinely cited polls in this thread; point is that those polls boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote. Responses like yours make it appear that anti sprinters are making a vain attempt to suppress peoples’ pro sprint views in this thread.
Could you please list those tons and tons of reasons because I haven’t seen any of them
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> > > Pro sprinters have given tons and tons other reasons as to why sprint should remain in Halo; whether or not you disagree with those reasons is another issue. Plus anti sprinters have routinely cited polls in this thread; point is that those polls boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote.
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> > I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone white knight as hard as you. You seem to have a hard time letting people speak for themselves. If Legendsheep has something to say to anyone that’s responded to him, he’ll say it. He doesn’t need you to come in and act like his mommy. Same goes for anyone else you decide to defend.
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> It’s not about “white knight[ing],” anything- it’s about simply just letting people speak their minds about sprint within the sprint discussion thread without attacking them and making this thread appear to be ransacked with toxic posters.
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> That person was brand new to this thread and merely stated a) that they liked sprint and b) provided some reasoning as to why they liked sprint only to immediately get jumped on by an anti sprinter who tells them that their entire post was, “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews.” That doesn’t seem unfair to you at all? Especially since in his thread I’ve seen you yourself even reference polls on sprint which boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without anyone having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote.
If Legendsheep has something to say in response to RedBlue, he’ll say it himself. This isn’t an anti-bullying seminar. If you don’t like what he said, then mark the post and the monitors will deal with it.
I’m still not sure why you’re continuing to bring up your inability to read polls. I thought that was put aside a while ago.
For my opinion sprint should stay in the game it is one of the important elements in the game or games.
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Which can be achieved using other methods as well,without sacrifices. #h5cankeepsprint,h6isthegoal
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> For my opinion sprint should stay in the game it is one of the important elements in the game or games.
Why is it so important?
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It makes the game more fast paced.
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> That was all a great post, but that part particularly jumped out at me. That’s the reason why sprint (and a number of other things 343 has tried over the years) will never work properly with Halo. 343 are applying logic and mechanics that go great with other types of shooters, but they’re still trying to make sure Halo resembles its previous entries in some fashion and that will never work for this series. Even Halo 4 didn’t go full CoD, it just went mostly CoD. They only way sprint will work is if they decide that Halo no longer needs to play like Halo anymore, which is fine with me because I’d rather have a good game that doesn’t play like Halo than a game that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t play like Halo.
It’s something people are to stubborn to understand tho. There’s more to that beyond post cause I didn’t move the entire piece (cause there would be some stuff that sensitive people wouldn’t like to see). People wonder why anti-sprint(I mean it’s not even just anti-sprint either,it’s people who dislike halos current direction in general) think halo is copying or bringing in a different audience due to a mechanic simply not fit for the current setup. They forget or don’t care for halos past identity in the process of advocating for these newer gimmicks and such. It’s also why I don’t think any of 343s game will even get a new audience cause they aren’t even consistent with their own formula. I understand that many view h4 and h5 as the same but if you really look into it they do differ quite a bit. My point is 343 don’t know what they want to do pretty much, I imagine h6 will be different than h5 (but still have some similarities) but we won’t know until it’s out or teased. I agree with what you and the beyond poster said. Certain things just won’t work for a game like halo.
Edit:and when you reference the old formula people then pull the lame “you just want another halo 1-3” saying.
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How.
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> > That’s not at all “the same Exact Crap that every Advocate Spews,” nor does this person need to engage in an argument with you to claim that they like having sprint in Halo.
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> > Pro sprinters have given tons and tons other reasons as to why sprint should remain in Halo; whether or not you disagree with those reasons is another issue. Plus anti sprinters have routinely cited polls in this thread; point is that those polls boiled down to nothing more than the participants stating, “Yes I like sprint,” or “No I don’t like it,” without having to debate anything; let alone engage in an argument about mechanics in order to vote. Responses like yours make it appear that anti sprinters are making a vain attempt to suppress peoples’ pro sprint views in this thread.
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I’ll help you. Majority of them pertain to BTB/WZ on getting around, and he harps on the slowest Halo (3) for having a slow BTB.
Add immersion, realism, and “tactics”, there you go.
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> Could you please list those tons and tons of reasons because I haven’t seen any of them
My original pro sprint points (which were greatly expanded upon and have since evolved due to this debate) were: Immersion, Lore, Predictive Combat, Player Expectations, Give the majority of fans what they want in Halo, and Past Precedence… I’ve also provided and discussed map examples as to why not having sprint was hurtful to gameplay in larger maps in Halo 3.
Those aren’t all the points that I’ve argued when advocating for keeping sprint in Halo but those are where I began in this thread. Also since you asked, I have cited several times that Josh Holmes (343i Executive Producer) has provided multiple reasons advocating for sprint in Halo and I’ve discussed his pro sprint opinions here in this thread. Those multiple points on sprint in no way boiled down to “This Feature is Great and Fun because It is Great and Fun and we said so. Sleep Consume Obey,” as xxxRedBlueGiG suggested that all pro sprint opinions have in this thread. And those were points made from 343i and from myself- From the very onset of this thread I’ve also been reading a number of other good reasons as to why people think sprint should stay in Halo (That one got 41 likes so that means that dozens of other people agreed with that person’s pro sprint opinions as well).
Whether or not you agree with those points is a separate issue than whether or not they were made at all. These points have been debated here back and forth between pro & anti sprinters at length so I’m not sure why you haven’t seen them either.
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What does that have to do with sprint?
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Clearly you are new to this thread. Go back a few pages so nobody has to repeat themselves about a game being fast paced and how you don’t need sprint to make a game fast paced.
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That is false.
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Uhhhhhh the problem with all of those “arguments” is that none of them are based on why the actual mechanic should stay and how sprint makes halo better other than “it makes me move faster”
there is no machanic/gameplay reason as to why sprint needs to be in halo
pleaee give us/cite us actual mechanic reasons as to why it improves halo
EDIT: I will go one step further and offer a proposition: an olive branch if you will that should in theory make everyone happy
eliminate sprint all together, then increase the FOV and boost base movement speed to say 100-115% and voila!!!
all the “positives” of sprint without all the negatives