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> Idgaf bout sprint keep or nah idc. I’m pissed though because the recent halos (4-5) are trash. They just aren’t like the originals which were insanely amazing to play, still playing campaigns over and over. Reach and ODST had thrilling campaigns but 4 and 5 just don’t have it. I hope that they in the future do something similar to reach or ODST like a marine game or possibly one on the covenant. Different than just the master chief over and over again. If we had a new game based on something that’s not really focused on in halo, a great soundtrack and pvp then I would kill for it. Y’all feel me?
I don’t like characters like Palmer and Locke, who basically have no respect for Chief who has saved the human race multiple times already. Either give us a solid campaign focused on Chief like Halo CE, or give us ODST 2. Maybe even a marine campaign.
You do that as much as you want, but it’s not relevant for the sprint discussion in any way. By “actual data” I mean data that actually gives solid evidence that there is a causal relation between the introduction of sprint and decrease in Halo’s popularity. Population data alone tells nothing about the reason the population has decreased.
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> > > > > > > You can’t win in an opinionated discussion like this. This thread is called, “The Sprint Discussion,” not the “Tryhard for Antisprint Diehards,” Thread. Winning or losing will be determined on whether or not sprint will be in Halo 6; which won’t be impacted by this debate- no matter how hard you want to be a tryhard in this thread and/or force your anti sprint opinions on people.
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> > > > If you enjoy sprint so much, then why are you in this feed everyday? I understand you are trying to defend it but shouldn’t you be enjoying Halo 5 right now then? When Halo 3 came out I played non-stop, watched funny machinimas, and enjoyed talking to people in in-game lobbies. I didn’t even touch a forum for years because of how good the game was but now I’m in the forums trying to fix Halo because it’s not fun anymore and things need to start changing back.
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> > > You said it right there- what I’ve been getting at. It’s because so many pro sprinters don’t even know this is an issue at all. It’s also because the outspoken minority (anti sprinters) have taken to this thread to try and over-inflate the issue and make it seem they’re the majority on an issue by attacking pro sprinters. But I am in this thread to take part in a neutral and (hopefully) productive discussion about sprint and to demonstrate that many Halo fans have a lot of good reasons for keeping sprint in Halo.
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> > I find it interesting how both sides like to call each other the minority. I understand that assuring yourself that you’re in the majority makes it easier to dismiss the other group, but could we please not? Obviously, popularity is a huge part of the discussion, but it’s just a dead-end because nobody has credible data to back themselves up that their side is the majority and not the other way around, but still everybody seems awfully confident about it (on both sides). At this point calling the other side the minority just seems like a jab with getting a reaction out of them as the only purpose.
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> > If you want to take part in a productive discussion, the attitude you present in this post is perhaps not the best one to take with you. And frankly, it’s not just you. There’s this thing that people do which is the constant need to subtly belittle the other side. But it’s just creates more bad blood between the two sides. It would be a lot nicer if we all just made our arguments for and against sprint and didn’t claim things about the other side unless we have actual data to back it up.
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> > Now, wish me luck that nobody links to that Reddit thread with the polls that have been discussed a billion times. Because that’s one of the side effects of calling people the minority. It brings back that discussion.
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> All i’m going by is population count from Halo 3 compared to Halo 5’s population count.
The moderator just specifically asked us not to do this. This thread isn’t about proving that one side is more right than the other which is what you’ve lost sight of- it’s about discussing sprint with fellow fans in this community.
Its hard to pin point it soley on sprint but I would say the main problem right now is simply 343, H4, MCC and H5 have all had a laundry list of problems and bad decisions in development and on release which is frankly unacceptable for a AAA title with the budget of Halo, its a joke.
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> Its hard to pin point it soley on sprint but I would say the main problem right now is simply 343, H4, MCC and H5 have all had a laundry list of problems and bad decisions in development and on release which is frankly unacceptable for a AAA title with the budget of Halo, its a joke.
Overall that’s a pretty good post & I can appreciate those sentiments… I also think the overall product was a bit underwhelming based on the enormous profit margins and the story (perhaps even the very quality of story telling itself) in the campaign basically took a nose dive in Halo 5.
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> Its hard to pin point it soley on sprint but I would say the main problem right now is simply 343, H4, MCC and H5 have all had a laundry list of problems and bad decisions in development and on release which is frankly unacceptable for a AAA title with the budget of Halo, its a joke.
This, this, so much this
To me it honestly feels like all other parts of development in H5 took a back seat to warzone and by proxy the microtransaction system that they could make money from
everything else feels rushed and unpolished in my opinion
everything from the underwhelming UI (still can’t sell multiple reqs wut?, took them how long to add in an actual carnage report?)
the underwhelming and unmemorable maps which is compounded by (again in my opinion) lazy remixes maps
to the art design (why is my Spartan wearing what looks like cheap pleather gloves?)
and I could go on and on
H5s problems are not limited to sprint and I don’t think anyone who wants to make a legitimate argument against H5 would say that sprint is the only problem
The sad thing thing is that i actually quite like Halo 5 and as much as I want sprintless Halo 6, right now i would simply much rather see a proper functioning game with the content worthy of a halo title, and yes my god the art design is simply awful, why it needed changing is beyond me
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> > Its hard to pin point it soley on sprint but I would say the main problem right now is simply 343, H4, MCC and H5 have all had a laundry list of problems and bad decisions in development and on release which is frankly unacceptable for a AAA title with the budget of Halo, its a joke.
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> Overall that’s a pretty good post & I can appreciate those sentiments… I also think the overall product was a bit underwhelming based on the enormous profit margins and the story (perhaps even the very quality of story telling itself) in the campaign basically took a nose dive in Halo 5.
Pure opinion and speculation on my part but the reason i think the story is so inconsistent and underwhelming is because I believe rather than retcon or push restart on the whole thing they are slowly trying to write themselves into a completely different direction to what was originally planned. H5 is the bridge to that.
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> > I really like Sprint. I think it adds to the experience and increases the fast paced feel that I love. I think 343 has balanced it perfectly with the no recharging shields while sprinting (and the additinal Spartan Charge is nice- but must be nerfed). Overall I am in the Pro Sprint Camp- but 343 needs to find a way to satisfy those who hate Sprint. Figure out why they hate it, and find a way to work around it.
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> Or just take it out because it’s pointless and serves no purpose.
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> If you love a fast-paced game, then why would you like sprint, when it objectively slows the pace down. If you’ve never played CE or H2, you should. The pace is infinitely faster than modern Halo. If you have played them and somehow think that they’re slower, then you’ve just nullifed your opinion.
As someone who has logged in over a year in playing time each in Halo CE and Halo 2, I can say with reasonable certainty that I have most likely played more than almost anyone. Certainly more campaign than almost anyone. And I disagree that it serves no purpose. There were several missions in both as well as multiplayer where I felt like I had to walk for hours to get anywhere. I dont see how Sprint slows a game, as it just leads to me getting from one area to another faster. If I need to fight, I stop Sprinting. As simple as that. And I dont see how a modern game with more movement options would be slower than the older games. Or how because I disagree with you, that means my opinion doesn’t count.
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> > > I really like Sprint. I think it adds to the experience and increases the fast paced feel that I love. I think 343 has balanced it perfectly with the no recharging shields while sprinting (and the additinal Spartan Charge is nice- but must be nerfed). Overall I am in the Pro Sprint Camp- but 343 needs to find a way to satisfy those who hate Sprint. Figure out why they hate it, and find a way to work around it.
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> > Or just take it out because it’s pointless and serves no purpose.
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> > If you love a fast-paced game, then why would you like sprint, when it objectively slows the pace down. If you’ve never played CE or H2, you should. The pace is infinitely faster than modern Halo. If you have played them and somehow think that they’re slower, then you’ve just nullifed your opinion.
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> As someone who has logged in over a year in playing time each in Halo CE and Halo 2, I can say with reasonable certainty that I have most likely played more than almost anyone. Certainly more campaign than almost anyone. And I disagree that it serves no purpose. There were several missions in both as well as multiplayer where I felt like I had to walk for hours to get anywhere. I dont see how Sprint slows a game, as it just leads to me getting from one area to another faster. If I need to fight, I stop Sprinting. As simple as that. And I dont see how a modern game with more movement options would be slower than the older games. Or how because I disagree with you, that means my opinion doesn’t count.
I agree with your pro sprint opinions as I really like sprint as well and think it should stay in Halo. I’ve made several similar points as to why sprint is beneficial to the gameplay in Halo (Among a sea of additional reasons to keep sprint as well… Josh Holmes [343i’s Executive Producer] has also advocated for sprint in Halo which you can read about here if you like)
Furthermore I see and feel for your concerns about the anti sprinter that countered you. But hey, don’t feel bad- it’s not even just you either. Anti sprinters have been trying to shut people down and “debunk,”/“destroy,” (their words not mine) people’s opinions if they’re pro sprint… Twisting your intended words in your opinion about sprint is not surprising to see but I sympathize with you regarding your annoyance on that. At least they haven’t escalated to trying to directly discredit you instead of your point and tell you that you can’t post here as of yet (or tell you that you “should be enjoying sprint on Halo 5 instead of posting here”); but if you keep defending sprint then you can feasibly expect to get that treatment as well.
It goes like this in this thread:
First anti sprinter diehards will try to sway you from your pro sprint stance…
When that doesn’t work they’ll escalate to try to aggressively “destroy,” your opinions (with their opinions as counters) and twist your words around in your reply…
When that doesn’t work they’ll escalate further to try to discredit you directly instead and even tell you that you can’t post here (They also seem to think that they can beat you down if you’re pro sprint by continually doing this)
Some anti sprinter diehards really want to try as hard as they possibly can to “win,” in this thread versus having a constructive debate with fellow Halo fans about sprint- which is what we should actually be doing here instead.
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> > > I really like Sprint. I think it adds to the experience and increases the fast paced feel that I love. I think 343 has balanced it perfectly with the no recharging shields while sprinting (and the additinal Spartan Charge is nice- but must be nerfed). Overall I am in the Pro Sprint Camp- but 343 needs to find a way to satisfy those who hate Sprint. Figure out why they hate it, and find a way to work around it.
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> >
> > Or just take it out because it’s pointless and serves no purpose.
> >
> > If you love a fast-paced game, then why would you like sprint, when it objectively slows the pace down. If you’ve never played CE or H2, you should. The pace is infinitely faster than modern Halo. If you have played them and somehow think that they’re slower, then you’ve just nullifed your opinion.
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> As someone who has logged in over a year in playing time each in Halo CE and Halo 2, I can say with reasonable certainty that I have most likely played more than almost anyone. Certainly more campaign than almost anyone. And I disagree that it serves no purpose. There were several missions in both as well as multiplayer where I felt like I had to walk for hours to get anywhere. I dont see how Sprint slows a game, as it just leads to me getting from one area to another faster. If I need to fight, I stop Sprinting. As simple as that. And I dont see how a modern game with more movement options would be slower than the older games. Or how because I disagree with you, that means my opinion doesn’t count.
Levels and maps are built around movement. It only takes you a long time to get places without sprinting because levels and maps were made larger precisely because you’re able to go faster. Not to mention in games without sprint, vehicles are intentionally plentiful for long stretches of space on certain levels.
I explained in this post (among others) why sprint in Halo slows the pace of the gameplay, if you’re interested.
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> > > I love the sprint feature, I have always enjoyed it since it became a thing
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> > Me too! Why else do you think that sprint should stay in Halo?
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> Why are you repeatedly bumping this thread? If this thread is dying, let it die. There’s not a lot more to discuss that hasn’t been spoken about in 600 pages.
You just bumped it with your reply to me so you’re adding to your own “issue,” by even doing that. If you genuinely felt you needed to tell me that you would have sent it in a PM. I was asking a fellow pro sprinter to expand on his reasons for loving sprint which is what anti sprinters always seem to ask people to do anyway. What @Scarso327 has to add to this sprint discussion could be potentially new and insightful so I asked them to share those opinions.
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> > > > I really like Sprint. I think it adds to the experience and increases the fast paced feel that I love. I think 343 has balanced it perfectly with the no recharging shields while sprinting (and the additinal Spartan Charge is nice- but must be nerfed). Overall I am in the Pro Sprint Camp- but 343 needs to find a way to satisfy those who hate Sprint. Figure out why they hate it, and find a way to work around it.
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> > > Or just take it out because it’s pointless and serves no purpose.
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> > > If you love a fast-paced game, then why would you like sprint, when it objectively slows the pace down. If you’ve never played CE or H2, you should. The pace is infinitely faster than modern Halo. If you have played them and somehow think that they’re slower, then you’ve just nullifed your opinion.
> >
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> > As someone who has logged in over a year in playing time each in Halo CE and Halo 2, I can say with reasonable certainty that I have most likely played more than almost anyone. Certainly more campaign than almost anyone. And I disagree that it serves no purpose. There were several missions in both as well as multiplayer where I felt like I had to walk for hours to get anywhere. I dont see how Sprint slows a game, as it just leads to me getting from one area to another faster. If I need to fight, I stop Sprinting. As simple as that. And I dont see how a modern game with more movement options would be slower than the older games. Or how because I disagree with you, that means my opinion doesn’t count.
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> I agree with your pro sprint opinions as I really like sprint as well and think it should stay in Halo. I’ve also made several similar points as to why sprint is beneficial to the gameplay in Halo (Among a sea of additional reasons to keep sprint as well… Josh Holmes [343i’s Executive Producer] has also advocated for sprint in Halo which you can read about here if you like)
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> Furthermore I see and feel for your concerns about the anti sprinter that countered you. But hey, don’t feel bad- it’s not even just you either. Anti sprinters have been trying to shut people down and “debunk,”/“destroy,” (their words not mine) people’s opinions if they’re pro sprint… Twisting your intended words in your opinion about sprint is not surprising to see but I sympathize with you regarding your annoyance on that. At least they haven’t escalated to trying to directly discredit you instead of your point and tell you that you can’t post here as of yet (or tell you that you “should be enjoying sprint on Halo 5 instead of posting here”); but if you keep defending sprint then you can feasibly expect to get that treatment as well.
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> It goes like this in this thread:
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> 1) First anti sprinter diehards will try to sway you in your pro sprint stance…
> 2) When that doesn’t work they’ll escalate to try to aggressively “destroy,” your opinions (with their opinions as counters) and twist your words around in your reply…
> 3) When that doesn’t work they’ll escalate further to try to discredit you directly instead and even tell you that you can’t post here.
> 4) When all else fails they’ll degrade themselves to just flame/flamebait you with fake accountsSome anti sprinter diehards really want to try as hard as they possibly can to “win,” in this thread versus having a constructive debate with fellow Halo fans about sprint- which is what we should actually be doing here instead.
<mark>This post has been edited by a moderator. Please refrain from making non-constructive posts.</mark>
*Original post. Click at your own discretion.
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> > > > > I really like Sprint. I think it adds to the experience and increases the fast paced feel that I love. I think 343 has balanced it perfectly with the no recharging shields while sprinting (and the additinal Spartan Charge is nice- but must be nerfed). Overall I am in the Pro Sprint Camp- but 343 needs to find a way to satisfy those who hate Sprint. Figure out why they hate it, and find a way to work around it.
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> > > > Or just take it out because it’s pointless and serves no purpose.
> > > > If you love a fast-paced game, then why would you like sprint, when it objectively slows the pace down. If you’ve never played CE or H2, you should. The pace is infinitely faster than modern Halo. If you have played them and somehow think that they’re slower, then you’ve just nullifed your opinion.
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> > > As someone who has logged in over a year in playing time each in Halo CE and Halo 2, I can say with reasonable certainty that I have most likely played more than almost anyone. Certainly more campaign than almost anyone. And I disagree that it serves no purpose. There were several missions in both as well as multiplayer where I felt like I had to walk for hours to get anywhere. I dont see how Sprint slows a game, as it just leads to me getting from one area to another faster. If I need to fight, I stop Sprinting. As simple as that. And I dont see how a modern game with more movement options would be slower than the older games. Or how because I disagree with you, that means my opinion doesn’t count.
> >
> >
> > I agree with your pro sprint opinions as I really like sprint as well and think it should stay in Halo. I’ve also made several similar points as to why sprint is beneficial to the gameplay in Halo (Among a sea of additional reasons to keep sprint as well… Josh Holmes [343i’s Executive Producer] has also advocated for sprint in Halo which you can read about here if you like)
> > Furthermore I see and feel for your concerns about the anti sprinter that countered you. But hey, don’t feel bad- it’s not even just you either. Anti sprinters have been trying to shut people down and “debunk,”/“destroy,” (their words not mine) people’s opinions if they’re pro sprint… Twisting your intended words in your opinion about sprint is not surprising to see but I sympathize with you regarding your annoyance on that. At least they haven’t escalated to trying to directly discredit you instead of your point and tell you that you can’t post here as of yet (or tell you that you “should be enjoying sprint on Halo 5 instead of posting here”); but if you keep defending sprint then you can feasibly expect to get that treatment as well.
> > It goes like this in this thread:
> > 1) First anti sprinter diehards will try to sway you in your pro sprint stance…
> > 2) When that doesn’t work they’ll escalate to try to aggressively “destroy,” your opinions (with their opinions as counters) and twist your words around in your reply…
> > 3) When that doesn’t work they’ll escalate further to try to discredit you directly instead and even tell you that you can’t post here.
> > 4) When all else fails they’ll degrade themselves to just flame/flamebait you with fake accounts.
> > Some anti sprinter diehards really want to try as hard as they possibly can to “win,” in this thread versus having a constructive debate with fellow Halo fans about sprint- which is what we should actually be doing here instead.
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> You don’t think this post is unfair? At all?
Actually (as I said in the previous post) I think it’s much more unfair to cower behind multiple accounts to flame/flamebait people in order to try and “win,” in this sprint discussion. Those observations that I pointed out in my previous post are just what I’ve seen hardcore anti sprint diehards do to me and to other pro sprinters in this thread… Thing is- a lot of pro sprinters don’t reply/engage in arguments so it doesn’t escalate as far as it has for the few of us who have taken the time and effort to debate the issue of sprint with them.
We are all fellow Halo fans here and are on an equal playing field in this discussion. We don’t have to agree about sprint but we should at least be able to have a respectful discussion about sprint with each other in this thread. It doesn’t matter at all who “wins,” in this thread- what we should instead be focusing on is discussing potential compromises (like this) so that Halo 6 can cater to as many fans as possible.