The sprint discussion thread

> 2535457281597668;11281:
> > 2533274886529017;11279:
> > > 2625759425619671;11270:
> > > I think that FOV is technically a separate issue.
> >
> >
> > It isn’t a separate issue. It’s exactly the reason as to why Halo 3 feels so slow, despite the BMS being no less than Halo 2’s in anything but the strafe department. There’s a reason people praise Halo: CE’s splitscreen FoV. :stuck_out_tongue:
>
>
> Ya, people who lack knowledge always undervalue the affect FOV has on perceived player speed.
>
> Just boot up MCC and play HCE, h2 and h3 and then play them all on splitscreen. The FOV changes make the games feel very different in terms of movement speed even though the actual movement speed never changes.

It’s not about “people who lack knowledge,” wt-yoink- is even wrong with you? FOV is a just a totally separate issue than sprint- I even went into some depth about FOV but I just wanted to keep this on topic. Just because I don’t agree that altering FOV is a good substitute for sprint has literally nothing to do with lacking knowledge, smh kid (What is with all the weak handed jabs from some of you anti sprinters anyway??)… It simply means that I disagree that with the suggestion that somehow changing FOV will make it acceptable to drop sprint. I gave reasons why that was as well and stated that while altering FOV may be a good IF it benefits Halo, there’s no reason why sprint needs to be dropped if FOV is changed in any way.

Here’s why I think that altering FOV is technically a separate issue…

Issue 1) Should sprint be changed in the next Halo? (On topic)

Issue 2) Should FOV be changed in the next Halo? (Not on topic)

I get that the FOV discussion can loosely be tied into the sprint discussion I just think that if they change FOV at all that doesn’t mean that sprint should be dropped. As stated, I think that FOV should be altered if it helps enhance gameplay however that’s separate than discussing whether sprint should remain. The time to figure out if FOV should be changed should also be during the development cycle, not after the game releases.

> 2625759425619671;11270:
> It’s not about “people who lack knowledge,” wt-yoink- is even wrong with you? FOV is a just a totally separate issue than sprint- I even went into some depth about FOV but I just wanted to keep this on topic. Just because I don’t agree that altering FOV is a good substitute for sprint has literally nothing to do with lacking knowledge, smh kid (What is with all the weak handed jabs from some of you anti sprinters anyway??)… It simply means that I disagree that with the suggestion that somehow changing FOV will make it acceptable to drop sprint. I gave reasons why that was as well and stated that while altering FOV may be a good IF it benefits Halo, there’s no reason why sprint needs to be dropped if FOV is changed in any way.

It wouldn’t be an “if” scenario. An upped FoV does nothing but help the game, and more importantly, the player. And an upped FoV would be one step closer to not needing sprint, at all. Furthermore, saying someone lacks knowledge isn’t in and of itself, a jab. Don’t take that personally, and read the sentence fully, rather than getting defensive over a small piece of it. He said a lack of knowledge results in an undervalue of the true effects of a game’s FoV. Not that people who lack knowledge are idiots, bad, etc.

> 2533274886529017;11285:
> > 2625759425619671;11270:
> > It’s not about “people who lack knowledge,” wt-yoink- is even wrong with you? FOV is a just a totally separate issue than sprint- I even went into some depth about FOV but I just wanted to keep this on topic. Just because I don’t agree that altering FOV is a good substitute for sprint has literally nothing to do with lacking knowledge, smh kid (What is with all the weak handed jabs from some of you anti sprinters anyway??)… It simply means that I disagree that with the suggestion that somehow changing FOV will make it acceptable to drop sprint. I gave reasons why that was as well and stated that while altering FOV may be a good IF it benefits Halo, there’s no reason why sprint needs to be dropped if FOV is changed in any way.
>
>
> It wouldn’t be an “if” scenario. An upped FoV does nothing but help the game, and more importantly, the player. And an upped FoV would be one step closer to not needing sprint, at all. Furthermore, saying someone lacks knowledge isn’t in and of itself, a jab. Don’t take that personally, and read the sentence fully, rather than getting defensive over a small piece of it. He said a lack of knowledge results in an undervalue of the true effects of a game’s FoV. Not that people who lack knowledge are idiots, bad, etc.

Omg don’t even- opening up an argument with “people who lack knowledge always…” is a jab anyway you want to look at that statement. You just disagree with that because you’re very antisprint (in an “All or nothing” way) so it makes sense for you that someone who disagrees would “lack knowledge,” but that statement was indeed a jab, any way you want to try to cut the cake now.

Bottom line is that when people disagree with you it does not mean that they just “lack knowledge,” nor is that even remotely appropriate to say about someone when formulating a counter argument like that. It’s an attempt to discredit the person versus their point, which has often been the case with some anti sprinters in this thread.

Altering FOV simply has nothing to do with whether or not sprint should stay so I couldn’t disagree more with you on that point either.

> 2625759425619671;11270:
> Omg don’t even- opening up an argument with “people who lack knowledge always…” is a jab anyway you want to look at that statement. You just disagree with that because you’re antisprint so it makes sense for you that someone who disagrees would “lack knowledge,” but that statement was indeed a jab, any way you want to try to cut the cake now. Altering FOV simply has nothing to do with whether or not sprint should stay so I couldn’t disagree more with you there.

You can look at it as a jab all you want, but if you boil it down to its entire base meaning rather than a small (sometimes) out of context snippet of the comment, it’s far from it. Has nothing to do with my viewpoint on anti-sprint. Bar that point, you can disagree, but again, it shows a lack of understanding for what a wider FoV does for player perception. Take some time and talk to hardcore PC players about FoV. Or talk to hardcore CE players, given they’re closer to what we speak of (I know a few if you need references).

Who cares about physics? Master Chief can run forever now

> 2625759425619671;11286:
> > 2533274886529017;11285:
> > > 2625759425619671;11270:
> > > It’s not about “people who lack knowledge,” wt-yoink- is even wrong with you? FOV is a just a totally separate issue than sprint- I even went into some depth about FOV but I just wanted to keep this on topic. Just because I don’t agree that altering FOV is a good substitute for sprint has literally nothing to do with lacking knowledge, smh kid (What is with all the weak handed jabs from some of you anti sprinters anyway??)… It simply means that I disagree that with the suggestion that somehow changing FOV will make it acceptable to drop sprint. I gave reasons why that was as well and stated that while altering FOV may be a good IF it benefits Halo, there’s no reason why sprint needs to be dropped if FOV is changed in any way.
> >
> >
> > It wouldn’t be an “if” scenario. An upped FoV does nothing but help the game, and more importantly, the player. And an upped FoV would be one step closer to not needing sprint, at all. Furthermore, saying someone lacks knowledge isn’t in and of itself, a jab. Don’t take that personally, and read the sentence fully, rather than getting defensive over a small piece of it. He said a lack of knowledge results in an undervalue of the true effects of a game’s FoV. Not that people who lack knowledge are idiots, bad, etc.
>
>
> Omg don’t even- opening up an argument with “people who lack knowledge always…” is a jab anyway you want to look at that statement. You just disagree with that because you’re antisprint so it makes sense for you that someone who disagrees would “lack knowledge,” but that statement was indeed a jab, any way you want to try to cut the cake now. Bottom line is people that disagree with you does not mean that they just “lack knowledge.”
>
> Altering FOV simply has nothing to do with whether or not sprint should stay so I couldn’t disagree more with you there.

Sonic didn’t even say anything about the relationship between sprint and FOV. He just said people undervalue the affect of FOV. Which is true.

> 2533274886529017;11287:
> > 2625759425619671;11270:
> > Omg don’t even- opening up an argument with “people who lack knowledge always…” is a jab anyway you want to look at that statement. You just disagree with that because you’re antisprint so it makes sense for you that someone who disagrees would “lack knowledge,” but that statement was indeed a jab, any way you want to try to cut the cake now. Altering FOV simply has nothing to do with whether or not sprint should stay so I couldn’t disagree more with you there.
>
>
> You can look at it as a jab all you want, but if you boil it down to its entire base meaning rather than a small (sometimes) out of context snippet of the comment, it’s far from it. Has nothing to do with my viewpoint on anti-sprint. Bar that point, you can disagree, but again, it shows a lack of understanding for what a wider FoV does for player perception. Take some time and talk to hardcore PC players about FoV. Or talk to hardcore CE players, given they’re closer to what we speak of (I know a few if you need references).

Yeah well you seem to disagree on me on just about everything I say in this thread… Even when I posted evidence to support that plasma pistols can kill people in game to counter a point when someone said that “you can’t get kills with plasma pistols,” as a way for them to try to counter the lore element of why sprint should stay… You kept on and kept on arguing against that long after that person conceded and basically said “yeah my fault maybe plasma pistol kills weren’t the best example.” Pretty sure that person would have been a lot more heated if I tried to just open with “you lack knowledge…” versus just posting evidence that plasma pistols can actually kill people in game. They didn’t have an issue with me for that because what I did was counter the point, not try to discredit the person.

-I linked my own service record with 270 plasma pistol kills which you tried to write off as “oh well a Voids Tear doesn’t count…” There are multiple problems with that to include:
a) you have no idea if those kills even came via the Voids Tear and
b) the Voids Tear is still a plasma pistol anyway so even if all 270 of my plasma pistol kills did come via the Voids Tear it’s still a plasma pistol regardless… So that would still clearly demonstrate the fact that Spartans can get kills with this weapon in lore and in gameplay. And
c) I also posted a link to a game mode called Paintball in Halo 4 where all kills in that mode came via the plasma pistol (There wasn’t even a Voids Tear in Halo 4). And
d) Plasma Pistol kills were actually a commendation in Halo 4 (not to mention that the [completion of all weapon commendations](http://not to mention that the completion of all weapon commendations gave the player a highly coveted exclusive armor as well.) gave the player perhaps the most highly coveted exclusive armor in Halo 4 – The armor was: Protector Drift, which was highly sought after and very unique).

My point with all is you’ll literally argue with anything and everything that I say in this thread, no matter what. All I was trying to say is that you can get kills with plasma pistols and you kept on arguing about it well after I posted multiple sources to prove that the plasma pistol can kill people; not to mention the fact that the original person that said it recanted it way before you took that as far as you did.

Either way you can’t open a counter argument with “You lack knowledge because you always…” without sending a jab with that statement. Especially when my original point they tried to counter with that statement showed that I do have knowledge about FOV in Halo. I can only assume you’re disagreeing with the obvious fact that that’s a jab because you’ve disagreed with just about everything that I have said in this thread up to this point.

> 2625759425619671;11270:
> Yeah well you seem to disagree on me on just about everything I say in this thread… Pretty sure that person would have been a lot more heated if I tried to just open with “you lack knowledge…”
>
> -I linked my own service record with 270 plasma pistol kills which you tried to write off as “oh well a Voids Tear doesn’t count…” Which a) you have no idea if those kills even came via the Voids Tear and b) a Voids Tear is still a plasma pistol anyway so even if all 270 of my plasma pistol kills did come via the Voids Tear it’s still a plasma pistol anyway so it still supports Spartans getting kills with this weapon in lore. And c) I also posted a link to a game mode called Paintball in Halo 4 where ALL kills in that mode came via the plasma pistol. And d) Plasma Pistol kills were actually a commendation in Halo 4.
>
> My point with all that is that you literally argue with every single thing that I say in this thread, no matter what. All I was trying to say is that you can get kills with plasma pistols and you kept on arguing about it well after I posted multiple sources to prove that the plasma pistol can kill people; not to mention the fact that the original person that said it recanted it way before you took that as far as you did.
>
> Either way you can’t open a counter argument with “You lack knowledge because you always…” without sending a jab with that statement. Especially when my original point showed that I have knowledge about FOV in Halo. I can only assume you’re disagreeing that that’s a jab because you’ve always disagreed with everything that I’ve said in this thread.

But the thing is, he opened the argument saying “people who lack knowledge”, but then there’s an entire sentence’s worth of context going “always undervalue the affect FOV has on perceived player speed.”. It has nothing to do with how the sentence starts specifically, but how he carried it on, and thus, ended it. Again, context. Context that doesn’t make it an insult, but a valid statement. But w/e, I’m not here to teach English comprehension.

Anyhow, yes, I disagree with you, however, as a dip off topic (However brief), a OHKO Plasma Pistol gametype, and the Plasma Pistol commendation aren’t justification as to the killing potential of the weapon in general. It doesn’t matter if “all the kills came via the Plasma Pistol”, because it’s a OHKO, and “all the kills” could’ve come from any weapon in the sandbox. Boltshot, Storm Rifle, Lightrifle, Carbine, etc. A whacky gametype with funky killing properties isn’t lore justification, because things operate entirely differently in the lore, given the Plasma Pistol’s an entirely differing beast in the novels, having melted a Spartan’s chestplate with an overcharged bolt, unlike what it does in game. However, with that, the only reason I voided (Ha) the Void’s Tear is because the weapon is entirely different than the base Plasma Pistol. It fires a black hole. When I refer to getting kills with the weapon, I mean from the base weapon and legitimately using its projectiles to slay opponents, not just charge shooting black holes at them.

The entire point is, here, you’re undervaluing FoV immensely if you think it’s a differing beast than player movement at any speed.

Halo: CE FoV Difference

> 2535431579839420;11288:
> Who cares about physics? Master Chief can run forever now

shhh grownups are talking

> 2533274886529017;11291:
> > 2625759425619671;11270:
> >
>
>
> 1) Anyhow, yes, I disagree with you, however, as a dip off topic (However brief), a OHKO Plasma Pistol gametype, and the Plasma Pistol commendation aren’t justification as to the killing potential of the weapon in general. It doesn’t matter if “all the kills came via the Plasma Pistol”, because it’s a OHKO, and “all the kills” could’ve come from any weapon in the sandbox. Boltshot, Storm Rifle, Lightrifle, Carbine, etc. A whacky gametype with funky killing properties isn’t lore justification, because things operate entirely differently in the lore, given the Plasma Pistol’s an entirely differing beast in the novels, having melted a Spartan’s chestplate with an overcharged bolt, unlike what it does in game. However, with that, the only reason I voided (Ha) the Void’s Tear is because the weapon is entirely different than the base Plasma Pistol. It fires a black hole. When I refer to getting kills with the weapon, I mean from the base weapon and legitimately using its projectiles to slay opponents, not just charge shooting black holes at them.
>
> The entire point is, here, you’re undervaluing FoV immensely if you think it’s a differing beast than player movement at any speed.

  1. How can you still try to argue about whether or not you can get kills with a plasma pistol?? All I said is that not only can you get kills in Halo, you had to get kills with the plasma pistol in Halo 4 to complete the Plasma Pistol Weapon commendation in order to attain the game’s best piece of armor for Weapon Mastery… And Plasma Pistol Commendation completion wasn’t accomplished via a couple lucky kills with the PP; nor was it done with the then nonexistent Voids Tear… It was done through patience, skill, and perseverance. And this was hard to do, as evidenced by multiple threads such as this one where people shared tips on how to get/increase plasma pistol kills in Halo 4.

It wasn’t just a few kills required with the plasma pistol either… You had to get 940 kills with the plasma pistol in order to complete that weapon commendation in Halo 4. Bottom line is that plasma pistol kills can happen, do happen, and have been happening in Halo games for a long time; even well before the Voids Tear came along in Halo 5. So Spartans in lore getting kills with plasma pistols does line up with the ability to get kills with the plasma pistol in the Halo games.

  1. I think that potentially altering BMS is a separate issue than potentially altering FOV… Aside from those actually being two separate aspects of the game; 343i can potentially alter FOV and keep sprint in Halo… It’s not enough of a reason to suggest that altering a separate aspect of the game is justification to remove sprint IMO.

[deleted]

> 2535464451695009;11294:
> > 2625759425619671;11290:
> > > 2533274886529017;11287:
> > > > 2625759425619671;11270:
> > > > Omg don’t even- opening up an argument with “people who lack knowledge always…” is a jab anyway you want to look at that statement. You just disagree with that because you’re antisprint so it makes sense for you that someone who disagrees would “lack knowledge,” but that statement was indeed a jab, any way you want to try to cut the cake now. Altering FOV simply has nothing to do with whether or not sprint should stay so I couldn’t disagree more with you there.
> > >
> > >
> > > You can look at it as a jab all you want, but if you boil it down to its entire base meaning rather than a small (sometimes) out of context snippet of the comment, it’s far from it. Has nothing to do with my viewpoint on anti-sprint. Bar that point, you can disagree, but again, it shows a lack of understanding for what a wider FoV does for player perception. Take some time and talk to hardcore PC players about FoV. Or talk to hardcore CE players, given they’re closer to what we speak of (I know a few if you need references).
> >
> >
> > Yeah well you seem to disagree on me on just about everything I say in this thread… Even when I posted evidence to support that plasma pistols can kill people in game to counter a point when someone said that “you can’t get kills with plasma pistols,” as a way for them to try to counter the lore element of why sprint should stay… You kept on and kept on arguing against that long after that person conceded and basically said “yeah my fault maybe plasma pistol kills weren’t the best example.” Pretty sure that person would have been a lot more heated if I tried to just open with “you lack knowledge…” versus just posting evidence that plasma pistols can actually kill people in game. They didn’t have an issue with me for that because what I did was counter the point, not try to discredit the person.
> >
> > Either way you can’t open a counter argument with “You lack knowledge because you always…” without sending a jab with that statement. Especially when my original point they tried to counter with that statement showed that I do have knowledge about FOV in Halo. I can only assume you’re disagreeing with the obvious fact that that’s a jab because you’ve disagreed with just about everything that I have said in this thread up to this point.
>
>
> 1) If you want to have a legitimate debate and argument with someone, you better throw your feelings and emotions out of the door. Even when you think you’re winning, you can’t build up pride, or else it’ll turn into arrogance and destroy most of your arguments. What you percieved as an insult was taken out of context and interpreted completely wrong.
>
> 2) You also twisted their words, when they specifically said “people who lack” and not “you lack.”

  1. What do you know about having a legitimate debate with someone?? Who would even think that a counter argument to a well thought out point on a subject could ever start with “you lack knowledge because you always…”?

  2. Their counter argument was directed to me and based off of my original point on FOV. There wasn’t any twisting of words there, albeit I could have chosen to quote them this way, “[you] lack knowledge because [you] always…” but not using brackets hardly constitutes the twisting of that person’s words because the intent was the same. I chose not to use brackets because they clutter the quote and distract the reader from what was said. I even linked their original post so your comment about “twisting,” words simply isn’t justified.

[deleted]

FOV is a much better way to increase the feeling of speed as opposed to sprint.

Sprint is honestly the worst way to go about it that I can even think of seeing as it only increases the player’s speed while he is moving forwards and not shooting. Even then due to the maps having to be stretched it may not even really be doing that. I boggles the mind that people actually defend this mechanic. It doesn’t fit into halo at all and ever since it’s inclusion halo MP has been a ghost town.

> 2535464451695009;11296:
> > 2625759425619671;11295:
> > > 2535464451695009;11294:
> > > > 2625759425619671;11290:
> > > > > 2533274886529017;11287:
> > > > > > 2625759425619671;11270:
> > > > > > Omg don’t even- opening up an argument with “people who lack knowledge always…” is a jab anyway you want to look at that statement. You just disagree with that because you’re antisprint so it makes sense for you that someone who disagrees would “lack knowledge,” but that statement was indeed a jab, any way you want to try to cut the cake now. Altering FOV simply has nothing to do with whether or not sprint should stay so I couldn’t disagree more with you there.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can look at it as a jab all you want, but if you boil it down to its entire base meaning rather than a small (sometimes) out of context snippet of the comment, it’s far from it. Has nothing to do with my viewpoint on anti-sprint. Bar that point, you can disagree, but again, it shows a lack of understanding for what a wider FoV does for player perception. Take some time and talk to hardcore PC players about FoV. Or talk to hardcore CE players, given they’re closer to what we speak of (I know a few if you need references).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah well you seem to disagree on me on just about everything I say in this thread… Even when I posted evidence to support that plasma pistols can kill people in game to counter a point when someone said that “you can’t get kills with plasma pistols,” as a way for them to try to counter the lore element of why sprint should stay… You kept on and kept on arguing against that long after that person conceded and basically said “yeah my fault maybe plasma pistol kills weren’t the best example.” Pretty sure that person would have been a lot more heated if I tried to just open with “you lack knowledge…” versus just posting evidence that plasma pistols can actually kill people in game. They didn’t have an issue with me for that because what I did was counter the point, not try to discredit the person.
> > > >
> > > > Either way you can’t open a counter argument with “You lack knowledge because you always…” without sending a jab with that statement. Especially when my original point they tried to counter with that statement showed that I do have knowledge about FOV in Halo. I can only assume you’re disagreeing with the obvious fact that that’s a jab because you’ve disagreed with just about everything that I have said in this thread up to this point.
>
>
> You’re letting your emotions get in the way again. What they said (“people who lack knowledge always underestimate”) wasn’t directed at you.

There’s nothing “emotion[al],” about the problem with that… The problem is that opening up a counter argument with “you lack knowledge because you always…” is that the person was attempting to discredit me instead of my points about FOV. That’s not an effective (or constructive) method of debating. The fact that it was also a jab was just a secondary problem anyway… Jabs can happen in debates, sure- but not as a way to open up a counter argument like that.

> 2625759425619671;11298:
> > 2535464451695009;11296:
> > > 2625759425619671;11295:
> > > > 2535464451695009;11294:
> > > > > 2625759425619671;11290:
> > > > > > 2533274886529017;11287:
> > > > > > > 2625759425619671;11270:
> > > > > > > Omg don’t even- opening up an argument with “people who lack knowledge always…” is a jab anyway you want to look at that statement. You just disagree with that because you’re antisprint so it makes sense for you that someone who disagrees would “lack knowledge,” but that statement was indeed a jab, any way you want to try to cut the cake now. Altering FOV simply has nothing to do with whether or not sprint should stay so I couldn’t disagree more with you there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can look at it as a jab all you want, but if you boil it down to its entire base meaning rather than a small (sometimes) out of context snippet of the comment, it’s far from it. Has nothing to do with my viewpoint on anti-sprint. Bar that point, you can disagree, but again, it shows a lack of understanding for what a wider FoV does for player perception. Take some time and talk to hardcore PC players about FoV. Or talk to hardcore CE players, given they’re closer to what we speak of (I know a few if you need references).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah well you seem to disagree on me on just about everything I say in this thread… Even when I posted evidence to support that plasma pistols can kill people in game to counter a point when someone said that “you can’t get kills with plasma pistols,” as a way for them to try to counter the lore element of why sprint should stay… You kept on and kept on arguing against that long after that person conceded and basically said “yeah my fault maybe plasma pistol kills weren’t the best example.” Pretty sure that person would have been a lot more heated if I tried to just open with “you lack knowledge…” versus just posting evidence that plasma pistols can actually kill people in game. They didn’t have an issue with me for that because what I did was counter the point, not try to discredit the person.
> > > > >
> > > > > Either way you can’t open a counter argument with “You lack knowledge because you always…” without sending a jab with that statement. Especially when my original point they tried to counter with that statement showed that I do have knowledge about FOV in Halo. I can only assume you’re disagreeing with the obvious fact that that’s a jab because you’ve disagreed with just about everything that I have said in this thread up to this point.
> >
> >
> > You’re letting your emotions get in the way again. What they said (“people who lack knowledge always underestimate”) wasn’t directed at you.
>
>
> There’s nothing “emotion[al],” about the problem with that… The problem is that opening up a counter argument with “you lack knowledge because you always…” is that the person was attempting to discredit me instead of my points about FOV. That’s not an effective (or constructive) method of debating

It wasn’t a counter. It wasn’t even directed at you. I didn’t even quote you. It was just a general comment I threw out there after someone else’s post about FOV.

Generally speaking people who don’t have a great understanding of game design do underestimate the effects of FOV.

> 2625759425619671;11270:
> 2) I think that potentially altering BMS is a separate issue than potentially altering FOV… Aside from those actually being two separate aspects of the game; 343i can potentially alter FOV and keep sprint in Halo… It’s not enough of a reason to suggest that altering a separate aspect of the game is justification to remove sprint IMO.

They can alter FoV and keep sprint despite how it’s unneeded, redundant, and damaging, sure. Or they could go the CE splitscreen way, give us a wide FoV on top of a good BMS and give you one of the most satisfying movement sets available. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deleted]

> 2533274886529017;11300:
> > 2625759425619671;11270:
> > 2) I think that potentially altering BMS is a separate issue than potentially altering FOV… Aside from those actually being two separate aspects of the game; 343i can potentially alter FOV and keep sprint in Halo… It’s not enough of a reason to suggest that altering a separate aspect of the game is justification to remove sprint IMO.
>
>
> They can alter FoV and keep sprint despite how it’s unneeded, redundant, and damaging, sure. Or they could go the CE splitscreen way, give us a wide FoV on top of a good BMS and give you one of the most satisfying movement sets available. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Sure that’s a logical opinion for you to make but FOV is so loosely tied to sprint that rationale you have for dropping sprint doesn’t make sense in that statement (Not to mention that the FOV-anti sprint opinion you shared has already been said and repeated multiple times in this thread by anti sprinters). My point is that multiple pro sprinters disagree- especially since potentially altering FOV doesn’t have to mean removing sprint. I don’t agree that it’s “unneeded, redundant, and damaging,” nor do a lot of gamers that want to keep sprint. That train of thought is only shared by anti sprinters, but it’s no more than opinions about sprint- the fact that you think that sprint is, “unneeded, redundant, and damaging,” doesn’t correlate to potentially altering FOV; especially since FOV can be altered without doing anything to sprint.

> 2625759425619671;11270:
> Sure that’s a logical opinion to make but the point has already been said and repeated multiple times in this thread. My point is that multiple pro sprinters disagree- especially since potentially altering FOV doesn’t have to mean removing sprint. I don’t agree that it’s “unneeded, redundant, and damaging,” nor do a lot of gamers that want to keep sprint. That train of thought is only shared by anti sprinters, but it’s no more than opinions about sprint- the fact that you think that sprint is, “unneeded, redundant, and damaging,” doesn’t correlate to potentially altering FOV; especially since FOV can be altered without doing anything to sprint.

It’s not an opinion and any attempt to pass it off (Bar the legitimate opinion of “most satisfying movement set”) as such is just wrong. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ There are many facts about sprint and its effects, and they’re not opinions, no matter how much you try and say they are. How it effects the game isn’t related to FoV (Never said it was, vice versa with FoV to sprint), but that doesn’t change that it is those points and a bit more, and that an FoV change would make sprint’s presence only less “needed”, quotes needed, given it was never needed in the first place.