The sprint discussion thread

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
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> > > > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
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> > > > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
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> > > > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
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> > > > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
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> > > > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
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> > > > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
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> > > > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
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> > > > > My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
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> > > > > My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
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> > > > > And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
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> > > > > “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
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> > > > > I said my problem with you in the first sentence on my reply to that here:
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> > > > > “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
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> > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
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> > > > > What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re “worthless,” to you if they’re pro sprint.”
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> > > > > I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you.
> > > > > You do the same thing every time in this thread:
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> > > > > -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
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> > > > > -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
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> > So you’re not gonna discuss sprints effect on the game and/or why it’s for the better? Interesting. Very interesting indeed.
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> Absolutely. As long as we can be respectful about it, I have no issues discussing my opinions regarding sprint’s effects on the game. You have to understand that my opinions aren’t here to be chewed up, undervalued, and spit out.
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> I’ll start by briefly touching on issues that I’ve already discussed in this thread.
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> 1) Immersion.
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> Now I understand a lot of the counter arguments to this, but you also have to be subjective on this. I totally love the sense of immersion… I prefer to “feel,” like a Spartan when I make decisions in combat situations, including the desire to run like hell when I need to. And no, that’s not to say I want to run away all the time or think people need to be empowered to, “escape punishment,” which is how someone tried to write this off earlier in the thread. There are multiple reasons why I prefer this immersion- first and foremost I want to break the monotony of slugging around maps- particularly larger ones, at one pace. So for those who have countered that increasing one BMS is the answer, I disagree. I want bigger maps, but I don’t want to feel punished for going on foot like in Halo 3’s BTB maps. My god, sometimes I’d just want to leave game on the MCC just for getting stuck with certain H3 BTB maps in matchmaking (though I’m not an advocate for quitting so I’d just tough through the boredom of putzing along through maps like Sandtrap and Avalanche)… This was particularly bothersome when all the vehicles were always gobbled up right in the beginning of maps- like people would literally betray others to get to a vehicle to avoid having to walk. If only people could have sprinted in those maps then this wouldn’t have been an issue at all and it would have felt like a more immersive experience versus “Why the -expletive- do I have to trot around these giant maps like this?? Isn’t a Spartan supposed to be a super soldier???”

I had a whole essay written out for this, accidentally went back, and thought I lost it. Refreshed after I posted this and saw it was there. Kept this as it was shorter.

Sprint is not the solution for getting around BTB. Man cannons, teleporters, and faster spawning vehicles is your answer. Lowering competitive integrity is not the answer for an easier solution. Blame the slowest Halo ever and the bad map designers.

Spartans can also kick, wall jump, throw things, and lie down. Immersion is a pointless argument as it literally has no grounds besides being a human. If sprint makes it in, why can’t these things?

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Here you go. I think I fixed it.

@SiN SHOOT2KILL

This info was from a stat tracker on Team Beyond, H5 is not doing as well as you think. HCS is a child compared to H3’s MLG dominance.

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> 2) Lore.
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> This has been met with FIERCE resistance from anti sprinters and I do understand that. I’m not suggesting that developers should make changes on the basis of lore. But thing is anti sprinters are neglecting the fact that sprint is already in Halo- and has been for the past three Halos (Reach, 4, & 5). So at this point the change would be to actually remove sprint… Therefore this is more or less a tertiary bonus to me that Halo games have inadvertently evolved to become like Spartans in lore. I very much doubt that any of the Bungie dev’s sitting in an overcrowded testing room in Seattle argued to implement sprint on the basis of lore… Yet here sprint is, nonetheless and the evolution of sprint ingraining itself into Halo over the next two installments just naturally fits in with lore.
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> 3) Predictive combat.
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> Being able to predict combat, while a skill in and about itself in 1, 2, and 3, makes the game’s combat engagements less unique and therefore more boring overtime reducing replay-ability. Same goes for racing the enemy team to power weapons and equipment- sprint adds a little more RNG into the game to allow for more unique engagements when you meet up with the enemy. For instance if I know where you’ll spawn that information won’t benefit me as much if I don’t know how quickly you’ll be maneuvering from your spawn around the map… This all serves to makes the combat less predictable and more exciting thanks to sprint.
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> 4) Sprint should be in FPS’.
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> Yeah, go ahead… Rip this one up if you want to. I’m serving you this on a silver platter since I realize that it’s just my own opinion. I recognize that anti-sprinters have brought up a few other FPS titles still around that don’t have sprint. Those are few and far between if you ask me and I certainly don’t play them. I play Halo. Before Halo I used to play Marathon, Duke, & later GoldenEye. My only big fault with those FPS titles was the lack of sprint. It was boring to me! Particularly in those larger campaign levels on GoldenEye when I was racing to beat the clock… I’ll never forget how boring it was to slowly transition from one side of the Dam alllllll the waaay to the other end of that Dam on the very first level of GoldenEye. I just wanted to move faster- I may have even self-discovered the c-button trick to move just a tiny bit faster on that game which was just a tiny bit more bearable than walking around at such a slow pace. Halo was the same way for me during the CE, 2, and 3 days… I just wanted to have the option to sprint to transition across maps faster.

*continued…*2) How is this a point? Because 343i writes books showing what Spartans can do, so they should do it in games? They also die from Plasma Pistols, why is that not in the game? This is not a point.

  1. I’ll bet you almost every competitive player IN THE WORLD will tell you predictability is key in a competitive game. H4 had flinch, AA’s, and sprint. Reach had Bloom, and AA’s. Those games were random. Does that make them competitive? Predictability is the point of a comp shooter, knowing what is happening through communication and awareness is how you stay ahead, and that shows true skill. Luck should almost never be a factor in a comp game.
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> @SiN SHOOT2KILL
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> This info was from a stat tracker on Team Beyond, H5 is not doing as well as you think. HCS is a child compared to H3’s MLG dominance.

Don’t think that link works.

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Should be fixed now.

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Nope

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Really?
Is this better?

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> > This has been met with FIERCE resistance from anti sprinters and I do understand that. I’m not suggesting that developers should make changes on the basis of lore. But thing is anti sprinters are neglecting the fact that sprint is already in Halo- and has been for the past three Halos (Reach, 4, & 5). So at this point the change would be to actually remove sprint… Therefore this is more or less a tertiary bonus to me that Halo games have inadvertently evolved to become like Spartans in lore. I very much doubt that any of the Bungie dev’s sitting in an overcrowded testing room in Seattle argued to implement sprint on the basis of lore… Yet here sprint is, nonetheless and the evolution of sprint ingraining itself into Halo over the next two installments just naturally fits in with lore.
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> > Being able to predict combat, while a skill in and about itself in 1, 2, and 3, makes the game’s combat engagements less unique and therefore more boring overtime reducing replay-ability. Same goes for racing the enemy team to power weapons and equipment- sprint adds a little more RNG into the game to allow for more unique engagements when you meet up with the enemy. For instance if I know where you’ll spawn that information won’t benefit me as much if I don’t know how quickly you’ll be maneuvering from your spawn around the map… This all serves to makes the combat less predictable and more exciting thanks to sprint.
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> *continued…*2) How is this a point? Because 343i writes books showing what Spartans can do, so they should do it in games? They also die from Plasma Pistols, why is that not in the game? This is not a point.
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> 3) I’ll bet you almost every competitive player IN THE WORLD will tell you predictability is key in a competitive game. H4 had flinch, AA’s, and sprint. Reach had Bloom, and AA’s. Those games were random. Does that make them competitive? Predictability is the point of a comp shooter, knowing what is happening through communication and awareness is how you stay ahead, and that shows true skill. Luck should almost never be a factor in a comp game.

Let me say that these are some of the points that I made a while ago and there has already been some discussion on these since the time you quoted them… And you chose to respond to 2/7 of those original points which is fine, I suppose though I don’t know why you slid point #4 in if you weren’t going to discuss it…

  1. You actually can die from plasma pistols in the Halo games. I have 270 Plasma pistol kills in Warzone in Halo 5. Plasma pistol kills were even a commendation in Halo 4. Plus my point was that sprint inadvertently supports lore. I’m not arguing to change the game to suit lore, just observing that sprint (an existing game mechanic) already supports lore so changing the game to take that away would be a step back away from lore. This isn’t a point to claim that everything in game should be changed to suit lore- I’m not suggesting anything should be changed to suit lore. This point was simply that I appreciate the fact that sprint supports lore. Lore depicts Spartans that can sprint when they have to depending on the situation they’re facing… As such the point still stands whether you agree with it is another story.

  2. You can still someone predict where people are going to run to from their spawns with sprint… My point is that sprint is marginally less predicable then trying to time how long it takes for the opponent to run from spawn to another location on the map. Point is that the slightly reduced amount of predictable increased RNG to a slight extent which is good for combat.

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That’s good.

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> > > > > > > > YOU stated that a 10% increase solved the problem of H3’s BMS yet in the next breath say sprint would have done it despite the next Halo game which had sprint got dropped by MLG and the competetive scene has been struggling ever since. You may or may not be trolling but ill say this you are inconsitent and contradict yourself far too often for your opinions to be taken seriously, which funnily enough is exactly whats happening.
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> > > > > > > The HCS community has been enormously successful in Halo 5, there’s no evidence to support that Halo has been “struggling ever since,” in the competitive scene. There’s nothing contradictory in what I said- Halo 5 has sprint and the competitive community did not have to tweak the default settings to make the game even work in the competitive scene (like they did in Halo 3 when they had one BMS). There’s nothing inconsistent or contradictory about suggesting that the same issues that happened last time Halo had one BMS would just repeat themselves if Halo went back to one BMS.
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> > > > > MLG Dallas had a huge prize pool back in 2006 ($100,000 to the first place team). What’s your point?
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> > > > > Part of the reason that there is an increase in the prize pool is a attributed to the increase in popularity in the game itself; which means that sprint and all- Halo is increasing in popularity in the competitive scene. Another part of the reason is that 343i has been innovative enough to figure out a way to use in-game micro-transactions to help fund the HCS prize pools. Regardless as to how you feel about the micro-transactions, the point remains that the success that 343i accrued from people playing Halo 5 went directly into funding their HCS tournament prize pools.
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> > > > > Either way the “why,” behind the reason that Halo 5 has been successful in the competitive scene isn’t the issue. The issue is that MIGGY483 tried to assert that, “the competetive scene has been struggling ever since,” which is completely untrue! Halo 5 has been successful in the competitive scene with sprint and all.
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> Im going to start reporting his posts.

Are you serious right now? I’ve already reported your last two quotes insulting me and I’m going to report this one too. You asked me to stop quoting you just to turn around and quote me right back again to flame me further. You’re trolling worse than anyone I’ve ever seen on these threads. Ever.

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You do realize 100,000 is still in the thousands right? That was the max for all of H5 combined during HWC 2016.

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> 2) Wrong… You actually can die from plasma pistols in the Halo games. I have 270 Plasma pistol kills in Warzone in Halo 5. Plasma pistol kills were even a commendation in Halo 4.

You must think a Void’s Tear kill counts. Yunno, the Plasma Pistol that hauls you into a black hole and continuously damages you, while being super easy to use. He’s talking about a regular Plasma Pistol. Default. Just plasma rounds. No black holes, no infinite holding charge. And so what if they were a commendation in Halo 4? You know what was also a commendation in Halo 4? Pulse Grenades. I don’t get how that justifies/proves your point.

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> > > This has been met with FIERCE resistance from anti sprinters and I do understand that. I’m not suggesting that developers should make changes on the basis of lore. But thing is anti sprinters are neglecting the fact that sprint is already in Halo- and has been for the past three Halos (Reach, 4, & 5). So at this point the change would be to actually remove sprint… Therefore this is more or less a tertiary bonus to me that Halo games have inadvertently evolved to become like Spartans in lore. I very much doubt that any of the Bungie dev’s sitting in an overcrowded testing room in Seattle argued to implement sprint on the basis of lore… Yet here sprint is, nonetheless and the evolution of sprint ingraining itself into Halo over the next two installments just naturally fits in with lore.
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> > > Being able to predict combat, while a skill in and about itself in 1, 2, and 3, makes the game’s combat engagements less unique and therefore more boring overtime reducing replay-ability. Same goes for racing the enemy team to power weapons and equipment- sprint adds a little more RNG into the game to allow for more unique engagements when you meet up with the enemy. For instance if I know where you’ll spawn that information won’t benefit me as much if I don’t know how quickly you’ll be maneuvering from your spawn around the map… This all serves to makes the combat less predictable and more exciting thanks to sprint.
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> > *continued…*2) How is this a point? Because 343i writes books showing what Spartans can do, so they should do it in games? They also die from Plasma Pistols, why is that not in the game? This is not a point.
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> > 3) I’ll bet you almost every competitive player IN THE WORLD will tell you predictability is key in a competitive game. H4 had flinch, AA’s, and sprint. Reach had Bloom, and AA’s. Those games were random. Does that make them competitive? Predictability is the point of a comp shooter, knowing what is happening through communication and awareness is how you stay ahead, and that shows true skill. Luck should almost never be a factor in a comp game.
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> Let me say that these are some of the points that I made a while ago and there has already been some discussion on these since the time you quoted them… And you chose to respond to 2/7 of those original points which is fine, I suppose though I don’t know why you slid point #4 in if you weren’t going to discuss it…
>
> 2) Wrong… You actually can die from plasma pistols in the Halo games. I have 270 Plasma pistol kills in Warzone in Halo 5. Plasma pistol kills were even a commendation in Halo 4. Plus my point was that sprint inadvertently supports lore. I’m not arguing to change the game to suit lore, just observing that sprint (an existing game mechanic) already support lore so changing the game to take that away would be a step back away from lore. This isn’t a point to claim that everything in game should be changed to suit lore- I’m not suggesting anything should be changed to suit lore. This point was simply that I appreciate the fact that sprint supports lore. Lore depicts Spartans that can sprint when they have to depending on the situation they’re facing… As such the point still stands whether you agree with it is another story.
>
> 3) You can still someone predict where people are going to run to from their spawns with sprint… My point is that sprint is marginally less predicable then trying to time how long it takes for the opponent to run from spawn to another location on the map. Point is that the slightly reduced amount of predictable increased RNG to a slight extent which is good for combat.

Sorry, I just saw your post and wasn’t sure if anyone had talked about them. I didn’t know there were 7, however. I also responded to your first point.

I see what you mean now. My point was that it doesn’t matter what the lore states, whatever the writers want is the lore. Plasma Pistol damage is also very power in the books, yet they are one of the weakest weapons in the game with their damage. The plasma burns through the armor. This isn’t even a point to keep sprint tbh.

Not at all. In a comp game RNG is the opposite of what you want. RNG does not reward skill, it’s completely random. Sprint makes movement slightly less predictable as you have to now deal with multiple speeds and 4 other people. There’s a reason why Quake is incredibly skillful and demanding, and it’s ALL about predictability.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You said,
> > > > > > “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I said my problem with you in the first sentence on my reply to that here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re “worthless,” to you if they’re pro sprint.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you.
> > > > > > You do the same thing every time in this thread:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ,
> >
> >
> > Absolutely. As long as we can be respectful about it, I have no issues discussing my opinions regarding sprint’s effects on the game. You have to understand that my opinions aren’t here to be chewed up, undervalued, and spit out.
> >
> > I’ll start by briefly touching on issues that I’ve already discussed in this thread.
> >
> > 1) Immersion.
> >
> > Now I understand a lot of the counter arguments to this, but you also have to be subjective on this. I totally love the sense of immersion… I prefer to “feel,” like a Spartan when I make decisions in combat situations, including the desire to run like hell when I need to. And no, that’s not to say I want to run away all the time or think people need to be empowered to, “escape punishment,” which is how someone tried to write this off earlier in the thread. There are multiple reasons why I prefer this immersion- first and foremost I want to break the monotony of slugging around maps- particularly larger ones, at one pace. So for those who have countered that increasing one BMS is the answer, I disagree. I want bigger maps, but I don’t want to feel punished for going on foot like in Halo 3’s BTB maps. My god, sometimes I’d just want to leave game on the MCC just for getting stuck with certain H3 BTB maps in matchmaking (though I’m not an advocate for quitting so I’d just tough through the boredom of putzing along through maps like Sandtrap and Avalanche)… This was particularly bothersome when all the vehicles were always gobbled up right in the beginning of maps- like people would literally betray others to get to a vehicle to avoid having to walk. If only people could have sprinted in those maps then this wouldn’t have been an issue at all and it would have felt like a more immersive experience versus “Why the -expletive- do I have to trot around these giant maps like this?? Isn’t a Spartan supposed to be a super soldier???”
>
>
> I had a whole essay written out for this, accidentally went back, and thought I lost it. Refreshed after I posted this and saw it was there. Kept this as it was shorter.
> —
> Sprint is not the solution for getting around BTB. Man cannons, teleporters, and faster spawning vehicles is your answer. Lowering competitive integrity is not the answer for an easier solution. Blame the slowest Halo ever and the bad map designers.
>
> Spartans can also kick, wall jump, throw things, and lie down. Immersion is a pointless argument as it literally has no grounds besides being a human. If sprint makes it in, why can’t these things?

I’ve already explained why man canons, teleporters, and vehicles are not the answer; as they did not work in Halo 3. Ill link that counter when I find it.

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This is why we don’t take pro-sprinters seriously, SiN SHOOT2KILL.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You said,
> > > > > > > “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I said my problem with you in the first sentence on my reply to that here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re “worthless,” to you if they’re pro sprint.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you.
> > > > > > > You do the same thing every time in this thread:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ,
> > >
> > >
> > > Absolutely. As long as we can be respectful about it, I have no issues discussing my opinions regarding sprint’s effects on the game. You have to understand that my opinions aren’t here to be chewed up, undervalued, and spit out.
> > >
> > > I’ll start by briefly touching on issues that I’ve already discussed in this thread.
> >
> >
> > I had a whole essay written out for this, accidentally went back, and thought I lost it. Refreshed after I posted this and saw it was there. Kept this as it was shorter.
> > —
> > Sprint is not the solution for getting around BTB. Man cannons, teleporters, and faster spawning vehicles is your answer. Lowering competitive integrity is not the answer for an easier solution. Blame the slowest Halo ever and the bad map designers.
> >
> > Spartans can also kick, wall jump, throw things, and lie down. Immersion is a pointless argument as it literally has no grounds besides being a human. If sprint makes it in, why can’t these things?
>
>
> I’ve already explained why man canons, teleporters, and vehicles are not the answer; as they did not work in Halo 3. Ill link that counter when I find it.

H3 was the slowest game in the series, no sprint does not mean H3 speeds. Once you got out of those things in H3 you’re back to going at a snails pace. That’s why most anti-sprinters want CE speeds with a FOV of either 90 or 100. That’s as fast as sprint speeds.

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> > 2) Wrong… You actually can die from plasma pistols in the Halo games. I have 270 Plasma pistol kills in Warzone in Halo 5. Plasma pistol kills were even a commendation in Halo 4.
>
>
> You must think a Void’s Tear kill counts. Yunno, the Plasma Pistol that hauls you into a black hole and continuously damages you, while being super easy to use. He’s talking about a regular Plasma Pistol. Default. Just plasma rounds. No black holes, no infinite holding charge. And so what if they were a commendation in Halo 4? You know what was also a commendation in Halo 4? Pulse Grenades. I don’t get how that justifies/proves your point.

All I said is that you can die from plasma pistols in Halo and linked proof of it. You could get kills with plasma pistols in multiple ways beyond just the Voids Tear. There was no Voids Tear in Halo 4 either and you still had to complete the Plasma Pistol kill commendation for Weapon Mastery. There was even an entire game mode in matchmaking with only plasma pistols called Paintball.