The sprint discussion thread

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> > > > > > > > > > You know what’d be great? If we forgot about this thread, and it just - blew away
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> > > > > > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
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> > > > > > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > > > > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > > > > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > > > > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> > > > > > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> > > > > > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> > > > > > The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.
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> > > > > Sorry, I don’t follow.
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> > > > Let’s say there are 100k people who regularly play H5. Even if 90% of those people like sprint it doesn’t really matter because there are millions upon millions upon millions of potential halo players out there who’s preferences are largely unknown.
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> > > A poll was conducted closer to launch when more people were playing. The results were overwhelmingly pro-sprint.
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> > It doesn’t matter. 40k, 100k, 250, 500, makes little difference. The franchise is in rapid decline and the opinions of the minority that are happy with what’s going isn’t going to help you figure out why or how to fix it.
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> That doesn’t make sense. Maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying or have never taken a statistics class, not sure.

Of course it makes sense. You’re just clouded by confirmation bias.

A poll conducted that captures the opinions of Halo players who still play is not going to capture the opinions of players who are no longer playing. The later group is much larger than the former.

I don’t know if you follow football. But consider this analogy. If you polled people just in Indiana on who the greatest QB of all time is, the poll would probably see Peyton Manning winning in a landslide. However, if you poll the entirety of the US, Peyton Manning would probably place in the 3rd to 5th spot. The poll in Indiana is bias because most people there are colts fans. You’re not capturing the opinions of the other franchises’ fans.

The sprint poll 343 conducted would capture people who are still deeply invested in Halo. Most of THOSE people like how the recent games played. That does not mean that those results would extrapolate out if you started to capture the opinions of people who have lost interest in Halo.

Polls in general are stupid in this this argument, a poll at waypoint, beyond, reddit, wherever simply isnt and will never be representative of the entire online Halo community and certainly not the entire fanbase which have purchased the games and various media throughout the years, all we know for certain is that Halos popularity has shrunk considerably since H3 for a multitude of reasons.

I prey 343 comes to their senses in H6, and lets us shoot and throw grenades while sprinting.

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> Polls in general are stupid in this this argument, a poll at waypoint, beyond, reddit, wherever simply isnt and will never be representative of the entire online Halo community and certainly not the entire fanbase which have purchased the games and various media throughout the years, all we know for certain is that Halos popularity has shrunk considerably since H3 for a multitude of reasons.

I agree. Those are just internet polls and are not scientific.
There was one poll conducted by 343 (not a waypoint forum poll) that had a very large sample base. I’m not sure of the amount but you can look it up. It checked out. Unlike the others there was nothing to suggest it was unscientific. Unless you are prone to conspiracy theories.

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> I prey 343 comes to their senses in H6, and lets us shoot and throw grenades while sprinting.

That wouldn’t really solve anything.

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> > > > > > > > > > > You know what’d be great? If we forgot about this thread, and it just - blew away
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > > > > > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > > > > > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > > > > > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> > > > > > > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> > > > > > > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> > > > > > > The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.
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> > > > > > Sorry, I don’t follow.
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> > > > > Let’s say there are 100k people who regularly play H5. Even if 90% of those people like sprint it doesn’t really matter because there are millions upon millions upon millions of potential halo players out there who’s preferences are largely unknown.
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> > > > A poll was conducted closer to launch when more people were playing. The results were overwhelmingly pro-sprint.
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> > > It doesn’t matter. 40k, 100k, 250, 500, makes little difference. The franchise is in rapid decline and the opinions of the minority that are happy with what’s going isn’t going to help you figure out why or how to fix it.
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> > That doesn’t make sense. Maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying or have never taken a statistics class, not sure.
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> Of course it makes sense. You’re just clouded by confirmation bias.
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> A poll conducted that captures the opinions of Halo players who still play is not going to capture the opinions of players who are no longer playing. The later group is much larger than the former.
>
> I don’t know if you follow football. But consider this analogy. If you polled people just in Indiana on who the greatest QB of all time is, the poll would probably see Peyton Manning winning in a landslide. However, if you poll the entirety of the US, Peyton Manning would probably place in the 3rd to 5th spot. The poll in Indiana is bias because most people there are colts fans. You’re not capturing the opinions of the other franchises’ fans.
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> The sprint poll 343 conducted would capture people who are still deeply invested in Halo. Most of THOSE people like how the recent games played. That does not mean that those results would extrapolate out if you started to capture the opinions of people who have lost interest in Halo.

No. This is wrong.
This is exactly what I’m talking about. Just because the number of players has changed doesn’t mean percentages change. And your football analogy is just… It doesn’t work for this.
So, a lot of people are commenting on flawed polling and in the process they are showing they really don’t understand polling or statistics. The Dunning–Kruger effect is in full swing here.

Oh, and confirmation bias? That was a pretty sudden accusation. Can you site examples of this from me or is it just an argument tactic? I mean, I like sprint, sure (hated–absolutely loathed it in Halo 4), but the truth is I’d be playing the hell out of this game if it didn’t have sprint. Just like the 5 halo games that didn’t have sprint before it.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > You know what’d be great? If we forgot about this thread, and it just - blew away
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > > > > > > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > > > > > > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > > > > > > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> > > > > > > > The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, I don’t follow.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let’s say there are 100k people who regularly play H5. Even if 90% of those people like sprint it doesn’t really matter because there are millions upon millions upon millions of potential halo players out there who’s preferences are largely unknown.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A poll was conducted closer to launch when more people were playing. The results were overwhelmingly pro-sprint.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It doesn’t matter. 40k, 100k, 250, 500, makes little difference. The franchise is in rapid decline and the opinions of the minority that are happy with what’s going isn’t going to help you figure out why or how to fix it.
> > >
> > >
> > > That doesn’t make sense. Maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying or have never taken a statistics class, not sure.
> >
> >
> > Of course it makes sense. You’re just clouded by confirmation bias.
> >
> > A poll conducted that captures the opinions of Halo players who still play is not going to capture the opinions of players who are no longer playing. The later group is much larger than the former.
> >
> > I don’t know if you follow football. But consider this analogy. If you polled people just in Indiana on who the greatest QB of all time is, the poll would probably see Peyton Manning winning in a landslide. However, if you poll the entirety of the US, Peyton Manning would probably place in the 3rd to 5th spot. The poll in Indiana is bias because most people there are colts fans. You’re not capturing the opinions of the other franchises’ fans.
> >
> > The sprint poll 343 conducted would capture people who are still deeply invested in Halo. Most of THOSE people like how the recent games played. That does not mean that those results would extrapolate out if you started to capture the opinions of people who have lost interest in Halo.
>
>
> No. This is wrong.
> This is exactly what I’m talking about. Just because the number of players has changed doesn’t mean percentages change. And your football analogy is just… It doesn’t work for this.
> So, a lot of people are commenting on flawed polling and in the process they are showing they really don’t understand polling or statistics. The Dunning–Kruger effect is in full swing here.
>
> Oh, and confirmation bias? That was a pretty sudden accusation. Can you site examples of this from me or is it just an argument tactic? I mean, I like sprint, sure, but the truth is I’d be playing the hell out of this game if it didn’t have sprint. Just like the 5 halo games that didn’t have sprint before it.

Instead of just telling people they are wrong and insulting them why don’t you explain it.

Please explain how a poll conducted on Halo Waypoint, a website that people who are no longer invested in halo do not visit somehow captured the opinions of people who are no longer invested in Halo.

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> That wouldn’t really solve anything.

It solves not being able to shoot and throw grenades while I run…

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what’d be great? If we forgot about this thread, and it just - blew away
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > > > > > > > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > > > > > > > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > > > > > > > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> > > > > > > > > The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, I don’t follow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let’s say there are 100k people who regularly play H5. Even if 90% of those people like sprint it doesn’t really matter because there are millions upon millions upon millions of potential halo players out there who’s preferences are largely unknown.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A poll was conducted closer to launch when more people were playing. The results were overwhelmingly pro-sprint.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn’t matter. 40k, 100k, 250, 500, makes little difference. The franchise is in rapid decline and the opinions of the minority that are happy with what’s going isn’t going to help you figure out why or how to fix it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That doesn’t make sense. Maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying or have never taken a statistics class, not sure.
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course it makes sense. You’re just clouded by confirmation bias.
> > >
> > > A poll conducted that captures the opinions of Halo players who still play is not going to capture the opinions of players who are no longer playing. The later group is much larger than the former.
> > >
> > > I don’t know if you follow football. But consider this analogy. If you polled people just in Indiana on who the greatest QB of all time is, the poll would probably see Peyton Manning winning in a landslide. However, if you poll the entirety of the US, Peyton Manning would probably place in the 3rd to 5th spot. The poll in Indiana is bias because most people there are colts fans. You’re not capturing the opinions of the other franchises’ fans.
> > >
> > > The sprint poll 343 conducted would capture people who are still deeply invested in Halo. Most of THOSE people like how the recent games played. That does not mean that those results would extrapolate out if you started to capture the opinions of people who have lost interest in Halo.
> >
> >
> > No. This is wrong.
> > This is exactly what I’m talking about. Just because the number of players has changed doesn’t mean percentages change. And your football analogy is just… It doesn’t work for this.
> > So, a lot of people are commenting on flawed polling and in the process they are showing they really don’t understand polling or statistics. The Dunning–Kruger effect is in full swing here.
> >
> > Oh, and confirmation bias? That was a pretty sudden accusation. Can you site examples of this from me or is it just an argument tactic? I mean, I like sprint, sure, but the truth is I’d be playing the hell out of this game if it didn’t have sprint. Just like the 5 halo games that didn’t have sprint before it.
>
>
> Instead of just telling people they are wrong and insulting them why don’t you explain it.
>
> Please explain how a poll conducted on Halo Waypoint, a website that people who are no longer invested in halo do not visit somehow captured the opinions of people who are no longer invested in Halo.

facepalm
I’ve explained it to the best of my abilities (or rather, as much as I’d care to) to people refusing to understand. And I wasn’t talking about a poll on waypoint.
Sorry if you felt insulted. That wasn’t my intention.

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> > That wouldn’t really solve anything.
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> It solves not being able to shoot and throw grenades while I run…

…which you’ve always been able to do

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > > > > > > > > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > > > > > > > > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> > > > > > > > > > The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.
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> > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don’t follow.
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> > > > > > > > Let’s say there are 100k people who regularly play H5. Even if 90% of those people like sprint it doesn’t really matter because there are millions upon millions upon millions of potential halo players out there who’s preferences are largely unknown.
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> > > > > > > A poll was conducted closer to launch when more people were playing. The results were overwhelmingly pro-sprint.
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> > > > > > It doesn’t matter. 40k, 100k, 250, 500, makes little difference. The franchise is in rapid decline and the opinions of the minority that are happy with what’s going isn’t going to help you figure out why or how to fix it.
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> > > > > That doesn’t make sense. Maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying or have never taken a statistics class, not sure.
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> > > > Of course it makes sense. You’re just clouded by confirmation bias.
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> > > > A poll conducted that captures the opinions of Halo players who still play is not going to capture the opinions of players who are no longer playing. The later group is much larger than the former.
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> > > > I don’t know if you follow football. But consider this analogy. If you polled people just in Indiana on who the greatest QB of all time is, the poll would probably see Peyton Manning winning in a landslide. However, if you poll the entirety of the US, Peyton Manning would probably place in the 3rd to 5th spot. The poll in Indiana is bias because most people there are colts fans. You’re not capturing the opinions of the other franchises’ fans.
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> > > > The sprint poll 343 conducted would capture people who are still deeply invested in Halo. Most of THOSE people like how the recent games played. That does not mean that those results would extrapolate out if you started to capture the opinions of people who have lost interest in Halo.
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> > > No. This is wrong.
> > > This is exactly what I’m talking about. Just because the number of players has changed doesn’t mean percentages change. And your football analogy is just… It doesn’t work for this.
> > > So, a lot of people are commenting on flawed polling and in the process they are showing they really don’t understand polling or statistics. The Dunning–Kruger effect is in full swing here.
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> > > Oh, and confirmation bias? That was a pretty sudden accusation. Can you site examples of this from me or is it just an argument tactic? I mean, I like sprint, sure, but the truth is I’d be playing the hell out of this game if it didn’t have sprint. Just like the 5 halo games that didn’t have sprint before it.
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> > Instead of just telling people they are wrong and insulting them why don’t you explain it.
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> > Please explain how a poll conducted on Halo Waypoint, a website that people who are no longer invested in halo do not visit somehow captured the opinions of people who are no longer invested in Halo.
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> facepalm
> I’ve explained it to the best of my abilities (or rather, as much as I’d care to) to people refusing to understand. And I wasn’t talking about a poll on waypoint.
> Sorry if you felt insulted. That wasn’t my intention.

You really haven’t tried to explain it at all. Atleast to me.

Not even for one second have you justified your assumption that the percentages of that poll would stay the same as people with differing backgrounds and opinions were brought in.

If you went to a Justin Beibert concert and polled the audience asking them whether or not he was a great artist, you may get 89% saying yes and 11% no. Those percentages are probably not going to hold true outside of that venue.

An 89% in favour of sprint result on the website that fans of H5 flock to may not hold true outside of that venue.

Either way, it doesn’t matter though because the alternative to sprint would be an unknown and people will almost always vote against the unknown.

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> > Polls in general are stupid in this this argument, a poll at waypoint, beyond, reddit, wherever simply isnt and will never be representative of the entire online Halo community and certainly not the entire fanbase which have purchased the games and various media throughout the years, all we know for certain is that Halos popularity has shrunk considerably since H3 for a multitude of reasons.
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> I agree. Those are just internet polls and are not scientific.
> There was one poll conducted by 343 (not a waypoint forum poll) that has a very large sample base. I’m not sure of the amount but you can look it up. It checked out. Unlike the others there was nothing to suggest it was unscientific. Unless you are prone to conspiracy theories.

But still not a large sample base to be worth any real merit, I honestly wish people would leave polls out of this discussion all together, they confirm nothing but ones own bias.

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> > > > I prey 343 comes to their senses in H6, and lets us shoot and throw grenades while sprinting.
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> > > That wouldn’t really solve anything.
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> > It solves not being able to shoot and throw grenades while I run…
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> …which you’ve always been able to do

No, I’ve only been able to go at a walking pace. I need 2 different paces of shooting and running to be more effective.

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> > > > That wouldn’t really solve anything.
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> . I need 2 different paces of shooting and running to be more effective.

What does that even mean?

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> No, I’ve only been able to go at a walking pace. I need 2 different paces of shooting and running to be more effective.

Your misconception is that Spartans aren’t always running. In Halo 1-3 the base movement speed was running, and they could still shoot, throw nades, etc.

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> If he was shooting at you then you aren’t full shield after the combat. You have to wait for your shield to recharge before you sprint. That’s a break in the flow.
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> If he wasn’t shooting at you then in order to have an example of seemless Halo 5 combat you engaged 3 combatants who weren’t looking at you.

Yes, waiting for your shields to recharge sucks but it’s part of the game, it’s a factor you have to consider on the battlefield. It’s not a break in the flow though. A break in the flow means your playing experience was interrupted. So if you say that your game experience is ruined while waiting on a shield recharge, that’s the same as saying that your game experience is ruined when enemies shoot at you.

So yeah if the enemies saw you at some point and damaged you then you’d have to hide for a few seconds, but that’s not even related to flow.

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> > > Polls in general are stupid in this this argument, a poll at waypoint, beyond, reddit, wherever simply isnt and will never be representative of the entire online Halo community and certainly not the entire fanbase which have purchased the games and various media throughout the years, all we know for certain is that Halos popularity has shrunk considerably since H3 for a multitude of reasons.
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> > I agree. Those are just internet polls and are not scientific.
> > There was one poll conducted by 343 (not a waypoint forum poll) that has a very large sample base. I’m not sure of the amount but you can look it up. It checked out. Unlike the others there was nothing to suggest it was unscientific. Unless you are prone to conspiracy theories.
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> But still not a large sample base to be worth any real merit, I honestly wish people would leave polls out of this discussion all together, they confirm nothing but ones own bias.

It was, I remember checking at the time. Sorry I can’t tell you what that number was. It was a while ago.
Also, saying a poll confirms one’s own bias is like saying one would only refute a poll because it doesn’t align with their personal opinion.

Debating about the polls is silly. No matter the result of them, they don’t matter. This is a creative medium.

Success in creative mediums is often attained by subverting expectations and giving people something they didn’t expect to love but end up loving.

“Anti sprinters” are convinced replacing sprint with high BMS will do this and no data exists that can disprove this theory.

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> Debating about the polls is silly. No matter the result of them, they don’t matter. This is a creative medium.
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> Success in creative mediums is often attained by subverting expectations and giving people something they didn’t expect to love but end up loving.
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> “Anti sprinters” are convinced replacing sprint with high BMS will do this and no data exists that can disprove this theory.

Equally along those lines no data exists that can prove such a theory… This being the creative medium that it is, all we can do is discuss the issue with fellow fans that are not all like-minded regarding sprint. Personally, I think I’ve heard and seen many points supporting why one high BMS will definitely not replace sprint and would make Halo worse… Anti sprinters would tell you different, but I do agree insofar that no one should be here with the intention to “disprove,” “dismantle,” and/or “destroy,” opinions from our fellow fans about this.

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> > Debating about the polls is silly. No matter the result of them, they don’t matter. This is a creative medium.
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> > Success in creative mediums is often attained by subverting expectations and giving people something they didn’t expect to love but end up loving.
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> > “Anti sprinters” are convinced replacing sprint with high BMS will do this and no data exists that can disprove this theory.
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> I think I’ve heard and seen many points supporting why one high BMS will definitely not replace sprint and would make Halo worse

Where? I’ve read a lot of this thread and I’ve yet to see any convincing points along that line.