The sprint discussion thread

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> > > Deal with it. This Topic isn’t going the -Yoink- anywhere. With THIS many replies in this thread it is safe to claim that this discussion is undeniably necessary. There is not one other topic that has the attention this one has. That speaks volumes on the value of this debate.
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> > I think it’s just a way to contain this topic to a single thread in an attempt to mitigate forum clutter and no one at 343i has any plans to ever change sprint.
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> Not for Halo 5 perhaps but Halo 6 is still a possibility for the absense of sprint.
> Seeing as there’s circulating talk about some debate about wether or not to keep sprint during Halo 5’s development.
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> Unless of course you have sources backing the bolded part up, and that’s for Halo 6.

Nope, as I said I just think there are no plans to change sprint. But that applies to Halo 6 too. I think sprint will be there.

I have to admit however that having sprint as a customizable option is a good idea.

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> > > I think it’s just a way to contain this topic to a single thread in an attempt to mitigate forum clutter and no one at 343i has any plans to ever change sprint.
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> > Not for Halo 5 perhaps but Halo 6 is still a possibility for the absense of sprint.
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> > Unless of course you have sources backing the bolded part up, and that’s for Halo 6.
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> Nope, as I said I just think there are no plans to change sprint. But that applies to Halo 6 too. I think sprint will be there.

Pretty good assumption to me; after all sprint has been in the past 3 AAA Halo titles.

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> > > > > > > > Sin do you occupy the same universe as the rest of us.
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> > > > > > > > There have been many proposed solutions. H5 is as good as sprint gets. It sucks.
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> > > > > > > > Sprint CANNOT work with Halo, or you’re compromising zoning, engagements, and pacing.
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> > > > > > > > There is no in-between.
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> > > > Immersion/Lore –
> > > > Because in the LORE Linda was able to use a sniper to shoot and kill multiple banshee pilots with one shot a piece while hanging by one arm.
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> > > It was actually by her leg, upside down, if I’m not mistaken. She shot them [The pilots] through the holes located near the crease where the Banshee’s carapace folds downwards. Kinda funny that the Banshee actually had a weak spot like that in Reach. I feel so immersed because of the one time I saw someone get headshotted out of a Banshee like that on a video. Kapap.
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> > “Linda had the rope coiled about a boot and wrapped about one forearm. She held her sniper rifle in one arm” Halo: First Strike by Eric Nylund, page 322
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> You guys are just two of a kind huh? Almost like you’re the same person.
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> Either way this point (while interesting in and about itself) really has nothing to do with sprint. And @OG Nick, brush off all the dust you want to, your arguments are your own highly bias opinions towards sprint. You’ve argued with me like Umbra by getting really heated about your opinions and trying to assert them as fact. I have no intention of further perpetuating any of those heated arguments with someone like you that writes off Ben’s pro sprint opinion with, “Oh you like sprint well that’s just cause you’re not OG enough in Halo like me.” You’ve pretty much acted like a jerk to me and others who try to explain our pro sprint opinions so there’s point in even talking to you about it.
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> You need to understand something: you, Umbra, and zr0fear are just three people… Three people that may not like sprint but that doesn’t give you guys the right to shoot down your fellow fans who do like sprint for having our pro sprint opinions… Especially not by meeting opinions WITH opinions. If anything it means we can agree to disagree about sprint but for you to keep trying to argue about it and attempt to “destroy,” pro sprint opinions is non sense. If you could just let that go and instead try to understand why we want to keep sprint then maybe we could actually get somewhere here. But as it stands you just seem to want to get into shouting matches with pro sprinters as if “winning,” the discussion will give you some sort of sense of accomplishment or actually help you try to get sprint removed… Put things into perspective here, pro sprinters in this thread are your fellow Halo fans; not your enemy and not the ones who decided to put sprint into Halo in the first place. We just want sprint to stay for a variety of reasons which we continuously provide here in this thread.

I gave gameplay examples

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> > > > You know what’d be great? If we forgot about this thread, and it just - blew away
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> > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
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> > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.

The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.

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> > > > > You know what’d be great? If we forgot about this thread, and it just - blew away
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> > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
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> > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.

Sorry, I don’t follow.

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> > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
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> > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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Let’s say there are 100k people who regularly play H5. Even if 90% of those people like sprint it doesn’t really matter because there are millions upon millions upon millions of potential halo players out there who’s preferences are largely unknown.

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> > > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
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> > > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> > > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> > > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> > > The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.
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A poll was conducted closer to launch when more people were playing. The results were overwhelmingly pro-sprint.

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> > > > > > > > You know what’d be great? If we forgot about this thread, and it just - blew away
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> > > > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
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> > > > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> > > > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> > > > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> > > > The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.
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> > > Sorry, I don’t follow.
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> A poll was conducted closer to launch when more people were playing. The results were overwhelmingly pro-sprint.

It doesn’t matter. 40k, 100k, 250, 500, makes little difference. The franchise is in rapid decline and the opinions of the minority that are happy with what’s going isn’t going to help you figure out why or how to fix it.

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> > > > > > > > > As a Halo Veteran, i don’t mind the sprint. Halo has to evolve, ladies and gentlemen.
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> > > > > > > > So any and all change is automatically good?
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> > > > > > > Within reason.
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> > > > > > What reason was there to add sprint to Halo?
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> > > > > I meant, it can’t be something ridiculous, like loadouts. Lookin’ at you Halo 4. I think sprint is the meta for FPS right now, along with microtransactions. Halo needs to stay fresh. You don’t like sprint, assassinations? Ok. That’s fine. Don’t use it. The Halo Community used to be accepting of these kind of opinions. Lets try and keep it that way.
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> > > > Actually advanced movement is the “meta” for FPS right now, but you don’t see Battlefield going and making a game like COD or Titanfall. Just saying. Staying fresh when sprint has been in the game for 6 years. Such argument, much impressive, very FPS.
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> Chill out bud, its not my only argument. No need for assumptions here. I just simply meant Sprint has been a controversy since Reach, and IMO that’s when Halo started to change for better or worse.

actually halo has had a hard time trying to balance sprint with the rest of the game recently they took out shield recharge for sprinting, frankly I think if they keep that and reintroduce duel wielding. if you are running the person duel wielding will usually get the kill especially since it takes some time to sight in the weapons that way the Spartan abilities can stay we get duel wielding back and it partially balances out sprint. its a working idea if you have any ideas feel free to add them

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> How do you define “flow”? To me, “flow” in this context describes the ability of players to perform tasks without interruption. I get the impression that you’re using “flow” just as a superfluous synonym for “balance” here.
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> However, I must ask, why must there be drawbacks to sprinting? In previous Halo games we ran at maximum speed all the time and could fire our weapons. What problems did that system cause to the “balance of strategies and combat choices”? What do you even mean by “balance of strategies and combat choices”?

For me flow means the exact same thing to me as it does to you, but I suppose we just have different opinions on what are considered tasks. I get the impression most tasks for you revolve around killing your opponents, which is perfectly logical and I understand completely given the fact that the goal of multiplayer matches is to win which almost always means killing the enemy team. But for me, I also believe that sprinting serves another purpose entirely. Sprint will let you traverse the map faster than a player that chooses to have their gun up and ready to fire at all times. So flow is never interrupted because these differing tasks are always swapped between therefore providing an endless and continuous flow of “tasks.”

My definition of balance is that all aspects of the game have an advantage and a disadvantage. So in terms of sprinting vs shooting, I think sprinting is balanced because the advantage for sprint is maximizing your movement speed, allowing you to get behind cover as fast as possible to avoid death. The disadvantage is that you can’t fire your weapon while doing so, sacrificing your chance to kill your opponent, (not to mention that your shields don’t recharge). The advantage of shooting is that you have an opportunity to kill the enemy, while your disadvantage is that you cannot reach your maximum movement speed while firing therefore preventing you from keeping up with your fleeing enemy. In my opinion this provides for a balance of gameplay because players have the ability to choose which strategy’s advantages and disadvantages will give them the highest chance of survival.

> No, you see, originally you said “the ability to get from one place quicker if they need to”. Well, “quicker” than what? I guess this could refer to quicker than base speed, but if this is the case, why do you talk about this like it’s some special thing? Sure, at base speed you can get between places quicker than by crouch walking, but why would you crouch walk in the first place? Of course you crouch walk if you don’t want to be seen, but the fastest available speed is the default mode of transit here. The fastest available speed is always the default mode of transit. When you have sprint, it is the default mode of transit.
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> So, sure, in your example, player B would get to their goal faster than A, but why would A choose not to sprint if they want to get there fast? This is the problem with “it gets you to places faster”: it’s a trivial feature. Obviously running at maximum speed gets you to places faster than not running at maximum speed. This has always been the case in Halo. There’s nothing special with sprint here. It has always been possible.
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> So, because the “quicker than base speed” interpretation of “quicker” made no sense to me, I obviously assumed that you meant “quicker than in previous Halo games”. But there, the movement speed is irrelevant because maps can be arbitrarily scaled in such a way that it takes a specific time to get from point A to point B.

Yes, quicker than base speed is what I as referring to. And your reasoning behind how sprint is a trivial feature does actually make a lot of sense now that you’ve explained it. I can agree with you on that, you’ve convinced me. However my response to the first quote block still stands.

And I began my Halo experience with Halo Reach, so yeah I’m going to be biased on its inclusion in the game, but it’s apparent that you started Halo long before Reach so you’re biased in it’s exclusion. They’re simply two different opinions, and neither one is necessarily the ‘correct opinion.’ We might just have to agree to disagree because I don’t see either of our minds being changed anytime soon. And I just wanted to add thank you for keeping this civil and not banning me for speaking against the opinion of a Monitor :stuck_out_tongue:

Also, how do I break up the quotes like you did? This is the best I could do because I don’t know how to just quote part of a post.

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> > > > > > > > > People on the forums clamor for innovation and change, and then go spouting things like “no need to reinvent the wheel”. Which one is it?
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> > > > > > > > No one here can prove or substantiate that Halo could have maintained Halo 2/Halo 3 levels of popularity if it had stayed the same. Therefore, some reinvention was necessary.
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> > > Why would you go and drastically change things just because you cannot prove that things are not going to stay headed in a good direction? Especially when there is nothing pointing to it going poorly any time soon?
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> > > My job is going great. But I cannot prove that it will continue to go well forever. Does that mean I should go out and get a new job right now? No. I would wait until things start to go south(if and when they do).
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> > Halo 2 had better population retention than Halo 3. Thats not considered a poor trend?
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> Halo 3 also had more units sold. Then we see the units start to decline, with the population.
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> One of the reason Halo 5 has the best retention since Halo 3 is because it has sold the least number of units for a main Halo title since Halo CE.

Except 360 online era was much more accessible than the Xbox online era. But somehow the population charts show lower retention.

Well with all this back and forth over sprint I would just like to add after playing this game tonight I can honestly say I’m done with it, I’ve had my fun but I can’t continue to play and support this game when the servers are this broken and the game in general is this buggy, still we have issues that have been present from day one not resolved. I know sprint is a major cause for concern amongst the community but jesus I would be happy with a properly functioning game with a UI that doesn’t look like its still in the beta stage at its most basic and customisation that didn’t take 5 steps back from previous titles, I’m rambling and I’m going off topic but Halo to me has bigger problems than sprint right now.

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> > > > > > > > > > People on the forums clamor for innovation and change, and then go spouting things like “no need to reinvent the wheel”. Which one is it?
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> > > > > > > > > No one here can prove or substantiate that Halo could have maintained Halo 2/Halo 3 levels of popularity if it had stayed the same. Therefore, some reinvention was necessary.
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> > > > > > That doesn’t make any sense.
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> > > > > How so?
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> > > > Why would you go and drastically change things just because you cannot prove that things are not going to stay headed in a good direction? Especially when there is nothing pointing to it going poorly any time soon?
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> > > > My job is going great. But I cannot prove that it will continue to go well forever. Does that mean I should go out and get a new job right now? No. I would wait until things start to go south(if and when they do).
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> > > Halo 2 had better population retention than Halo 3. Thats not considered a poor trend?
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> > Halo 3 also had more units sold. Then we see the units start to decline, with the population.
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> Except 360 online era was much more accessible than the Xbox online era. But somehow the population charts show lower retention.

We already explained the reason. The lower retention stat was easily offset by higher overall sales and population. There was no cause for concern with h3.

Halos 1-3 you couldn’t sprint and we were fine with that, but games have evolved, and for a Spartan to not have the ability to sprint in these newer Halos such as 4 and 5 wouldn’t be keeping up with the Combat Evolved part. Armors are constantly upgrading, just look at Chief’s since the First halo. There has to be a point that sprinting is generic ability that not only Spartans should be able to do, but these new games that come out. We can say Halo stopped being Halo after Halo 3, but only if we aren’t open to some change towards a more advanced gaming experience, vs keeping the game the same, or nostalgia of the older games.

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> Halos 1-3 you couldn’t sprint and we were fine with that, but games have evolved, and for a Spartan to not have the ability to sprint in these newer Halos such as 4 and 5 wouldn’t be keeping up with the Combat Evolved part. Armors are constantly upgrading, just look at Chief’s since the First halo. There has to be a point that sprinting is generic ability that not only Spartans should be able to do, but these new games that come out. We can say Halo stopped being Halo after Halo 3, but only if we aren’t open to some change towards a more advanced gaming experience, vs keeping the game the same, or nostalgia of the older games.

That whole argument hinges on lore reasons (which are always a stupid reason for any sort of balancing decision) and that by chucking in a bunch of reverse engineered mechanics that are trendy right now is “progressive”

Oh an it also also relies on the assumption that choosing not use them makes your game “dated”, but thats like saying pokemon is dated because it uses a turn based combat system in stead of a real time combat system. It’s not dated, it’s not retro, it’s just a design choice that create a different experience than a real time combat system.

The same applies to a no sprint, no movement abilities Halo. It’s not dated, it’s not old, it’s a design choice based on how the game plays, in this case never seperating moving and shooting, which Halo 5 does in truckload. And avoiding seperating moving and shooting is a greatly underestimated tennent of Halo 1-3, it’s as much a part of the Halo Formula as guns, grenade melee

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> > > > > > > > You know what’d be great? If we forgot about this thread, and it just - blew away
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> > > > > > > This thread is a pillow for the 11%ers to scream into. Granted, they’ve been screaming into it for a year now, but it’s cheaper than therapy.
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> > > > > > Stop dismissing Anti-Sprinters as the bottom precentile. If Sprint wasn’t a big deal this thread would not be the massive back and forth that it has become. Understand that your stance is not the end all of this debate and If enough people don’t want to put up with the shotty movement of Halo 5 then they have every -Yoinking!- right to Assert their dismay until they’re catered to. Stop acting like an over irritated soccer Mom and Let Discussions run their course. Sprint’s affect on Map Flow is not Innocent. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise
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> > > > > Granted, it’s been a while since the poll, but it showed that 11% were completely against sprint. That’s not me making it up. If there has been a more scientific poll with an appropriately sized sample base I completely missed it. As far as thread size, how many unique users does it have? How many of them are anti-sprint? This is an echo chamber of like-minded people that’s been going on for a while now. Of course it’s big. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of things.
> > > > > You criticize me for asserting an opinion and then go on to state a couple of your own as absolute truths while lecturing me on not allowing a conversation to run it’s course. Do I need to explain why that is just silly/hypocritical?
> > > > > Plenty of people have eloquently explained why they disagree with sprint and it has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. Your response to me was anything but.
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> > > > > By the way, I feel for the 11%ers. I’ve said it since day one. I don’t think their opinion has any less merit than my own, I just think I’m fortunate enough to be in the majority on this one. And that’s what it all comes down to. I think most halo players these days just want to sprint. If 343 want’s to maximize profits (they’re a business, they are not our bros) then they have to cater to the majority. Some times that’s you, sometimes it’s someone else.
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> > > > > Anyway wasn’t trying to trigger you. I mean, I can see how that whole pillow comment can be construed as snide. I just try to be a little colorful when I post. Bored at work.
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> > > > The majority of people who currently play halo are the minority though. That’s the problem.
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> > > Sorry, I don’t follow.
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> > Let’s say there are 100k people who regularly play H5. Even if 90% of those people like sprint it doesn’t really matter because there are millions upon millions upon millions of potential halo players out there who’s preferences are largely unknown.
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> A poll was conducted closer to launch when more people were playing. The results were overwhelmingly pro-sprint.

What was that again?

Is Halo a Spartan simulator, or a competitive multiplayer game?

You want lore and immersion, the storytellers and campaign designers at 343i have you covered.

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> Well with all this back and forth over sprint I would just like to add after playing this game tonight I can honestly say I’m done with it, I’ve had my fun but I can’t continue to play and support this game when the servers are this broken and the game in general is this buggy, still we have issues that have been present from day one not resolved. I know sprint is a major cause for concern amongst the community but jesus I would be happy with a properly functioning game with a UI that doesn’t look like its still in the beta stage at its most basic and customisation that didn’t take 5 steps back from previous titles, I’m rambling and I’m going off topic but Halo to me has bigger problems than sprint right now.

HOLLA. People are starting to speak some -Yoinking!- sense here

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> Is Halo a Spartan simulator, or a competitive multiplayer game?
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> You want lore and immersion, the storytellers and campaign designers at 343i have you covered.

Immersion needs to be everywhere dude, need to get that memo in your head. (Sarcasm)