The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > Josh did make his original explanation on TeamBeyond (which we’ve also already discussed here). Needless to say, you need only look at the following couple pages after that to see people completely destroy his reasoning.
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> > > > > > > Nope, that article was actually cited from http://news.softpedia.com and I’ve never seen it discussed in this thread and I’ve been following the thread since it was created. Maybe you have discussed Josh Holmes’ pro sprint views, but he probably just expressed them in multiple different places to different people because he felt that strongly about advocating for sprint in Halo. I haven’t seen anyone “completely destroy,” anything as you’re suggesting- I’ve seen people challenge some of his points… I’ve also seen people present follow on questions, which cleeearly to most subjective people is quite clear that it’s impossible for Josh to field follow on questions after the fact. Could he have gotten further into the weeds on some of the pro-sprint views he expressed? Sure he could have, on a couple of things that we discussed and agreed upon here in the thread. That hardly constitutes anyone justifying that they “destroy[ed any of] his reasoning”
> > > > > > > If anyone wants to see what he’s referencing here’s a quick link to where it was brought up and discussed in this thread.
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> > > > > > Zr0Fear is correct in where the article came from. The article you reference simply quotes and paraphrases his post on team beyond. But that aside, like Josh says there, they have to take into account a lot more people than just those on team beyond, or even us here on waypoint. And like you have said before, whether people agree or believe it or not, Microsoft has hard data they have collect from HCF, alpha and beta tests, and the like, and they don’t have to share every snippet of it.
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> > > > > The most interesting data 343 ever shared was how people found the “very traditional” test game they made “a lot of fun” and just decided to scrap it anyway. Pretty much confirming 343 actively seeks out what’s fun and does the opposite.
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> > > > Your opinion on both those fronts
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> > > Plus the facts I stated. I know some of you like to ignore those sometimes.
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> > As you like to ignore facts on the other side. And no, both of those statements are in fact opinion. It is your opinion that that is the most interesting data released. It is your opinion that what 343 has done is not fun
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> Plus the facts that I stated.
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> Also I didn’t say what 343 has done is not fun in that post. Just another example of poor reading comprehension. Are you and Sin just the same person because - and I’m not kidding - out of the more than 10k posts in this thread (of which I have participated in most of), there has been no one who consistantly misunderstood very simple explanations like you two have… and you both happened to pop up during the same time frame.

I assure you, 100% that I am but one person…

I don’t necessarily feel that I misunderstood all of your explanations (albeit I’m not perfect- I may have incidentally missed a few things like the link in your previous reply). I think you maybe are mislabeling your issue here- your simple explanations are often your opinions. Which are fine and dandy in this world that is the Waypoint forums, however you must understand that there is indeed a difference between someone “misunderstanding very simple explanations,” and simple disagreeing with you. I try to be respectful and on-topic when I explain my disagreements with you on your stance regarding sprint.

The only source of any issues you and I have had revolve around basic respect… And I get it, the point has been beaten for you at this point. Thing is, I just want to debate this with an open mind. I think everything should be entitled to have and formulate their own opinion on sprint and its effects on Halo. You and I have disagreed regarding this point which is an issue to me. It’s not that I misunderstand you, I think I’ve come to understand you much better as the thread goes on as a matter of fact.

But once more, I’ve told you before that I do not have any smurf, duplicate, or alternate accounts on Waypoint. I swear by whatever it is you need to me swear by that THAT would never ever be me. I don’t believe in hiding behind a fake identity to try to bolster ones’ point- that much would be cowardice to me… Even if someone did it to like their own posts, its still dishonest… If nothing else you’ll see that much for proof- I have plenty of posts go by that do not get any likes. I don’t know much about people who use smurfs, but I know rountinely liking themselves in posts is sure to be part of the “self love,” aspect required to feel the need to hide behind multiple identities in the first place. Got a couple people in my Spartan Company who do use multiple accounts- not here, but on XBL… And the concept seems to fit, there’s a certain satisfaction they have been switching identities like that… Maybe it’s for a clean slate on stats, maybe it’s to lose a bad rep- those are reasons I’ve witness for such behavior… But me, I personally like the tag that I have. I take satisfaction in taking whatever proverbial “high-road,” is associated by not hiding behind smurfs to try and insult or bait people… Or reaffirm myself for my own benefit- whatever it is that drives people to do it that’s just not me I can promise you that.

I’d be happy to play with you any time to prove it over XBL. I’ve also recently befriended Lorient Avandi (would be happy to share the message traffic on that too if you require further proof) and we should be playing soon over XBL so one person can’t play at the same time on Halo 5…

I mean, there are more pro-sprinters out there willing to defend the position than just us… Is that why you make that assumption? Either way I will admit that it’s somewhat flattering in a strange way (just knowing that Lorient Avandi shares my position to the extent you’d go that far on such an accusation)

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Josh did make his original explanation on TeamBeyond (which we’ve also already discussed here). Needless to say, you need only look at the following couple pages after that to see people completely destroy his reasoning.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Nope, that article was actually cited from http://news.softpedia.com and I’ve never seen it discussed in this thread and I’ve been following the thread since it was created. Maybe you have discussed Josh Holmes’ pro sprint views, but he probably just expressed them in multiple different places to different people because he felt that strongly about advocating for sprint in Halo. I haven’t seen anyone “completely destroy,” anything as you’re suggesting- I’ve seen people challenge some of his points… I’ve also seen people present follow on questions, which cleeearly to most subjective people is quite clear that it’s impossible for Josh to field follow on questions after the fact. Could he have gotten further into the weeds on some of the pro-sprint views he expressed? Sure he could have, on a couple of things that we discussed and agreed upon here in the thread. That hardly constitutes anyone justifying that they “destroy[ed any of] his reasoning”
> > > > > > > > > > > If anyone wants to see what he’s referencing here’s a quick link to where it was brought up and discussed in this thread.
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> > > > > > > > > > Zr0Fear is correct in where the article came from. The article you reference simply quotes and paraphrases his post on team beyond. But that aside, like Josh says there, they have to take into account a lot more people than just those on team beyond, or even us here on waypoint. And like you have said before, whether people agree or believe it or not, Microsoft has hard data they have collect from HCF, alpha and beta tests, and the like, and they don’t have to share every snippet of it.
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> > > > > > > > > The most interesting data 343 ever shared was how people found the “very traditional” test game they made “a lot of fun” and just decided to scrap it anyway. Pretty much confirming 343 actively seeks out what’s fun and does the opposite.
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> > > > > > > > Your opinion on both those fronts
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> > > > > > > Plus the facts I stated. I know some of you like to ignore those sometimes.
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> > > > > > As you like to ignore facts on the other side. And no, both of those statements are in fact opinion. It is your opinion that that is the most interesting data released. It is your opinion that what 343 has done is not fun
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> > > > > Plus the facts that I stated.
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> > > > > Also I didn’t say what 343 has done is not fun in that post. Just another example of poor reading comprehension. Are you and Sin just the same person because - and I’m not kidding - out of the more than 10k posts in this thread (of which I have participated in most of), there has been no one who consistantly misunderstood very simple explanations like you two have… and you both happened to pop up during the same time frame.
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> > > > Lol, if I have poor reading comprehension, maybe you should just explain yourself more clearly.
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> > > > And no need to repeat yourself on your so called ‘facts’. That statement has almost nothing to do with the prior post.
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> > > No, you see, you two are the first to have these problems (at least, when it comes to people actually debating the topic at hand). 10k posts and generally no problems understanding what I’m saying. You guys come along (though admittedly, Sin is far worse than you with this) and all of a sudden there’s a problem? I don’t think so.
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> > What are you even getting at
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> I’m saying that even though you both get mad at things some people are saying about sprint or how it works, you usually either seem to respond with a misunderstanding of what they say (in most case, it’s of something very easy to understand) or spin what they say in a way that looks almost as if you’re just looking for a reason to complain. I’m telling you that given how this has yet to really happen in this thread (again, amongst people actually debating, not people that stop by purely to complain), that this is your problem, not ours. I know I’m not the only one that has said this over the last 30 pages, so perhaps you should work to fix the problem on your end and stop assuming it’s on ours. You’re sounding like a crazy person that is convinced he’s the only sane one. Same goes for Sin, who seems like a serial complainer with a blatant disregard for facts he’s unaware.

Here we go again with the same arguments. And you and exuberant are the only ones whove had this problem. The 2 most negative and bullheaded people on this thread

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> > > > > Wrong, you need two movement speeds to add variation.
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> > > > 1. Why?
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> > > > 2. You don’t need sprint to accomplish this.
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> > > Changes encounters.
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> > So does strafing, jumping, crouching, nades, and your own map movement creativity. Sprint doesn’t add anything of significance to encounters.
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> Yea but I like this way of doing it better, in addition to all of those other ways you mentioned. It also changes when I know someone saw me around a corner and I can vary my speed so I don’t pop out exactly when they are expecting.

I’m not sure if you were aware, but the Xbox controller has, and has always had, analogue sticks. You can move at varying speeds by partially deflecting the stick in the desired direction. Or, you can go a different direction. Or, you can STOP moving. None of which require you to lower your weapon and swing your arms to go fast like Sanic.

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> > > > > > Wrong, you need two movement speeds to add variation.
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> > > > > 1. Why?
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> > > > > 2. You don’t need sprint to accomplish this.
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> > > > Changes encounters.
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> > > So does strafing, jumping, crouching, nades, and your own map movement creativity. Sprint doesn’t add anything of significance to encounters.
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> > Yea but I like this way of doing it better, in addition to all of those other ways you mentioned. It also changes when I know someone saw me around a corner and I can vary my speed so I don’t pop out exactly when they are expecting.
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> I’m not sure if you were aware, but the Xbox controller has, and has always had, analogue sticks. You can move at varying speeds by partially deflecting the stick in the desired direction. Or, you can go a different direction. Or, you can STOP moving. None of which require you to lower your weapon and swing your arms to go fast like Sanic.

Not enough difference. I don’t ever want to stop moving during a battle.

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> I assure you, 100% that I am but one person…
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> I don’t necessarily feel that I misunderstood all of your explanations (albeit I’m not perfect- I may have incidentally missed a few things like the link in your previous reply). I think you maybe are mislabeling your issue here- your simple explanations are often your opinions. Which are fine and dandy in this world that is the Waypoint forums, however you must understand that there is indeed a difference between someone “misunderstanding very simple explanations,” and simple disagreeing with you. I try to be respectful and on-topic when I explain my disagreements with you on your stance regarding sprint.
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> The only source of any issues you and I have had revolve around basic respect… And I get it, the point has been beaten for you at this point. Thing is, I just want to debate this with an open mind. I think everything should be entitled to have and formulate their own opinion on sprint and its effects on Halo. You and I have disagreed regarding this point which is an issue to me. It’s not that I misunderstand you, I think I’ve come to understand you much better as the thread goes on as a matter of fact.
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> But once more, I’ve told you before that I do not have any smurf, duplicate, alternate accounts on Waypoint. I swear by whatever it is you need to me swear by that THAT would never ever be me. I don’t believe in hiding behind a fake identity to try to bolster ones’ point- that much would be cowardice to me… Even if someone did it to like their own posts, its still dishonest… If nothing else you’ll see that much for proof- I have plenty of posts go by that do not get any likes. I don’t know much about people who use smurfs, but I know rountinely liking themselves in posts is sure to be part of the “self love,” aspect required to feel the need to hide behind multiple identities in the first place. Got a couple people in my Spartan Company who do use multiple accounts- not here, but on XBL… And the concept seems to fit, there’s a certain satisfaction they have been switching identities like that… Maybe it’s for a clean slate on stats, maybe it’s to lose a bad rep- those are reasons I’ve witness for such behavior… But me, I personally like the tag that I have. I take satisfaction in taking whatever proverbial “high-road,” is associated by not hiding behind smurfs to try and insult or bait people… Or reaffirm myself for my own benefit- whatever it is that drives people to do it that’s just not me I can promise you that.
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> I’d be happy to play with you any time to prove it over XBL. I’ve also recently befriended Lorient Avandi (would be happy to share the message traffic on that too if you require further proof) and we should be playing soon over XBL so one person can’t play at the same time on Halo 5…
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> I mean, there are more pro-sprinters out there willing to defend the position than just us… Is that why you make that assumption? Either way I will admit that it’s somewhat flattering in a strange way (just knowing that Lorient Avandi shares my position to the extent you say they do)

I wasn’t seriously suggesting you’re both the same person, I was just making a point.

Regarding the bolded: right there, you just proved my point. I never said I that people aren’t entitled to their opinions to sprint or it’s place in the game. You just took what I said and tried to make it mean something else, which is what I’m saying you do all the time, whether it’s intentional or not.

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> > > > 1. Why?
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> > > > 2. You don’t need sprint to accomplish this.
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> > > Changes encounters.
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> > So does strafing, jumping, crouching, nades, and your own map movement creativity. Sprint doesn’t add anything of significance to encounters.
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> Yea but I like this way of doing it better, in addition to all of those other ways you mentioned. It also changes when I know someone saw me around a corner and I can vary my speed so I don’t pop out exactly when they are expecting.

Sprinting around a corner doesn’t really add variability though. If anything it’s like saying “Hey here I am, shoot me!” because you CANNOT shoot back before taking a good amount of damage. This is the mentality of someone who is a rampant spartan charge user, and yes I do it too because it’s easy and hardly punishes you. You may say, “Well I sprint then jump so I get a long flight path” or something to make it look deep and thoughtful, but in actuality you never needed sprint to do this in the first place since all you would have needed to do without sprint is time the jump well. Now, this is not the major issue with sprint, and while yes I am of the mindset it doesn’t add to the encounters, I would rather sprint be removed for other reasons not somehow it changes encounters in mid-fight, which it DOESN’T.

I know this attempt at changing a situation is a bad one because your shield do NOT recharge while sprinting. So if someone shoots you and you keep sprinting, if they chase and you try to turn around and jump at them, you will lose the majority of encounters. You may be saying “Yeah, but how does it work without sprint? How do I turn and surprise people?” I’m glad you asked Jimmy. In older Halo games you could navigate the maps at full speed, backwards (like a real super soldier :open_mouth: ). This meant you could turn and put damage into an opponent that was following, you could throw nades, you could do any number of different manuvers other than, sprint > jump or sprint > jump > thruster, OR my favorite sprint > RKO OUTTA NOWHERE (spartan charge). Again this isn’t a major issue with sprint, but in the grad mix of things it does not significantly add to encounters, it simply enables players to escape from bad situations easier.

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> > > > > > 1. Why?
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> > > > > > 2. You don’t need sprint to accomplish this.
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> > > > > Changes encounters.
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> > > > So does strafing, jumping, crouching, nades, and your own map movement creativity. Sprint doesn’t add anything of significance to encounters.
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> > > Yea but I like this way of doing it better, in addition to all of those other ways you mentioned. It also changes when I know someone saw me around a corner and I can vary my speed so I don’t pop out exactly when they are expecting.
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> > I’m not sure if you were aware, but the Xbox controller has, and has always had, analogue sticks. You can move at varying speeds by partially deflecting the stick in the desired direction. Or, you can go a different direction. Or, you can STOP moving. None of which require you to lower your weapon and swing your arms to go fast like Sanic.
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> Not enough difference. I don’t ever want to stop moving during a battle.

You would rather stop shooting and move slightly faster (compared to the base movement speed that was reduced to make room for sprint). Makes sense. /s

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> > I assure you, 100% that I am but one person…
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> > I don’t necessarily feel that I misunderstood all of your explanations (albeit I’m not perfect- I may have incidentally missed a few things like the link in your previous reply). I think you maybe are mislabeling your issue here- your simple explanations are often your opinions. Which are fine and dandy in this world that is the Waypoint forums, however you must understand that there is indeed a difference between someone “misunderstanding very simple explanations,” and simple disagreeing with you. I try to be respectful and on-topic when I explain my disagreements with you on your stance regarding sprint.
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> > The only source of any issues you and I have had revolve around basic respect… And I get it, the point has been beaten for you at this point. Thing is, I just want to debate this with an open mind. I think everything should be entitled to have and formulate their own opinion on sprint and its effects on Halo. You and I have disagreed regarding this point which is an issue to me. It’s not that I misunderstand you, I think I’ve come to understand you much better as the thread goes on as a matter of fact.
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> > But once more, I’ve told you before that I do not have any smurf, duplicate, alternate accounts on Waypoint. I swear by whatever it is you need to me swear by that THAT would never ever be me. I don’t believe in hiding behind a fake identity to try to bolster ones’ point- that much would be cowardice to me… Even if someone did it to like their own posts, its still dishonest… If nothing else you’ll see that much for proof- I have plenty of posts go by that do not get any likes. I don’t know much about people who use smurfs, but I know rountinely liking themselves in posts is sure to be part of the “self love,” aspect required to feel the need to hide behind multiple identities in the first place. Got a couple people in my Spartan Company who do use multiple accounts- not here, but on XBL… And the concept seems to fit, there’s a certain satisfaction they have been switching identities like that… Maybe it’s for a clean slate on stats, maybe it’s to lose a bad rep- those are reasons I’ve witness for such behavior… But me, I personally like the tag that I have. I take satisfaction in taking whatever proverbial “high-road,” is associated by not hiding behind smurfs to try and insult or bait people… Or reaffirm myself for my own benefit- whatever it is that drives people to do it that’s just not me I can promise you that.
> >
> > I’d be happy to play with you any time to prove it over XBL. I’ve also recently befriended Lorient Avandi (would be happy to share the message traffic on that too if you require further proof) and we should be playing soon over XBL so one person can’t play at the same time on Halo 5…
> >
> > I mean, there are more pro-sprinters out there willing to defend the position than just us… Is that why you make that assumption? Either way I will admit that it’s somewhat flattering in a strange way (just knowing that Lorient Avandi shares my position to the extent you say they do)
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> I wasn’t seriously suggesting you’re both the same person, I was just making a point.
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> Regarding the bolded: right there, you just proved my point. I never said I that people aren’t entitled to their opinions to sprint or it’s place in the game. You just took what I said and tried to make it mean something else, which is what I’m saying you do all the time, whether it’s intentional or not.

Okay well, I guess I missed your point… GG, you got me. Not really on-topic in regards to sprint if you ask me so I must’ve have [my sprint goggles](https://goo.gl/images/UNGmQI https://goo.gl/images/WbmUP6) on to have missed that… But I’m willing to see the lighter side of things I know we have have gotten a little heated during our discussions, but honestly straight up, all I want to be able to debate this issue. If you want the same, we should have any problems.

That said, I have a short memory. You did say people shouldn’t post here the other day if they don’t provide an explanation. Look, I’m not asking you to compromise anything on your stance on sprint- I doubt you will and it’s fine if you feel that way. However can you compromise on how we debate this? For one, anyone should be allowed to post here- I’m not going to run off anyone who says “I don’t like sprint,” any more than you should if someone says, “I like sprint”. Point is that it’s not really incumbent upon any of us to tell people they can or cannot post here. No issues with asking people to explain but if they don’t explain it doesn’t mean they have to leave the thread or that their opinion on sprint should be written off as worthless. Just basic things- and despite what you may think about me it’s never been about “oh you have to respect my feelings when you debate with me,” it’s more like, “look man you ain’t gonna be telling me and others we can’t post or that our opinions are worthless.” It feels counter productive to me because it comes off as trying to chase people out the thread who disagree with you and “stuff the ballot,” so to speak to try and make it appear more people don’t like sprint than actually do. I dunno if that’s what you actually mean to do, but either way it’s about basic respect, not necessary respect in general or hurt feelings.

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> didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.

Thank you. I saw the no sprinting idea and the only thing that popped in my head was that everything would slow down. No sprinting wouldn’t be competitive, it would move strategic options. Plus, game odes where your usually down to the wire on time would suffer from this. Instead of everyone sprinting to the objective in a rush, everyone would just be casually walking there, time being wasted from this speed reduction.

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> > > I assure you, 100% that I am but one person…
> > >
> > > I don’t necessarily feel that I misunderstood all of your explanations (albeit I’m not perfect- I may have incidentally missed a few things like the link in your previous reply). I think you maybe are mislabeling your issue here- your simple explanations are often your opinions. Which are fine and dandy in this world that is the Waypoint forums, however you must understand that there is indeed a difference between someone “misunderstanding very simple explanations,” and simple disagreeing with you. I try to be respectful and on-topic when I explain my disagreements with you on your stance regarding sprint.
> > >
> > > The only source of any issues you and I have had revolve around basic respect… And I get it, the point has been beaten for you at this point. Thing is, I just want to debate this with an open mind. I think everything should be entitled to have and formulate their own opinion on sprint and its effects on Halo. You and I have disagreed regarding this point which is an issue to me. It’s not that I misunderstand you, I think I’ve come to understand you much better as the thread goes on as a matter of fact.
> > >
> > > But once more, I’ve told you before that I do not have any smurf, duplicate, alternate accounts on Waypoint. I swear by whatever it is you need to me swear by that THAT would never ever be me. I don’t believe in hiding behind a fake identity to try to bolster ones’ point- that much would be cowardice to me… Even if someone did it to like their own posts, its still dishonest… If nothing else you’ll see that much for proof- I have plenty of posts go by that do not get any likes. I don’t know much about people who use smurfs, but I know rountinely liking themselves in posts is sure to be part of the “self love,” aspect required to feel the need to hide behind multiple identities in the first place. Got a couple people in my Spartan Company who do use multiple accounts- not here, but on XBL… And the concept seems to fit, there’s a certain satisfaction they have been switching identities like that… Maybe it’s for a clean slate on stats, maybe it’s to lose a bad rep- those are reasons I’ve witness for such behavior… But me, I personally like the tag that I have. I take satisfaction in taking whatever proverbial “high-road,” is associated by not hiding behind smurfs to try and insult or bait people… Or reaffirm myself for my own benefit- whatever it is that drives people to do it that’s just not me I can promise you that.
> > >
> > > I’d be happy to play with you any time to prove it over XBL. I’ve also recently befriended Lorient Avandi (would be happy to share the message traffic on that too if you require further proof) and we should be playing soon over XBL so one person can’t play at the same time on Halo 5…
> > >
> > > I mean, there are more pro-sprinters out there willing to defend the position than just us… Is that why you make that assumption? Either way I will admit that it’s somewhat flattering in a strange way (just knowing that Lorient Avandi shares my position to the extent you say they do)
> >
> >
> > I wasn’t seriously suggesting you’re both the same person, I was just making a point.
> >
> > Regarding the bolded: right there, you just proved my point. I never said I that people aren’t entitled to their opinions to sprint or it’s place in the game. You just took what I said and tried to make it mean something else, which is what I’m saying you do all the time, whether it’s intentional or not.
>
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> Okay well, I guess I missed your point… GG, you got me. Not really on-topic in regards to sprint if you ask me… But I’m willing to see the lighter side of things I know we have have gotten a little heated during our discussions, but honestly straight up, all I want to be able to debate this issue. If you want the same, we should have any problems.
>
> That said, I have a short memory. You did say people shouldn’t post here the other day if they don’t provide an explanation. Look, I’m not asking you to compromise anything on your stance on sprint- I doubt you will and it’s fine if you feel that way. However can you compromise on how we debate this? For one, anyone should be allowed to post here- I’m not going to run off anyone who says “I don’t like sprint,” any more than you should if someone says, “I like sprint”. Point is that it’s not really incumbent upon any of us to tell people they can or cannot post here. No issues with asking people to explain but if they don’t explain it doesn’t mean they have to leave the thread or that their opinion on sprint should be written off as worthless. Just basic things- and despite what you may think about me it’s never been about “oh you have to respect my feelings when you debate with me,” it’s more like, “look man you ain’t gonna be telling me and others we can’t post or that our opinions are worthless.” It feels counter productive to me because it comes off as trying to chase people out the thread who disagree with you and “stuff the ballot,” so to speak to try and make it appear more people don’t like sprint than actually do. I dunno if that’s what you actually mean to do, but either way it’s about basic respect, not necessary respect in general or hurt feelings.

I know what I said and it’s not what you said I said, nor did it imply what you keep saying I said.

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> > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> Thank you. I saw the no sprinting idea and the only thing that popped in my head was that everything would slow down. No sprinting wouldn’t be competitive, it would move strategic options. Plus, game odes where your usually down to the wire on time would suffer from this. Instead of everyone sprinting to the objective in a rush, everyone would just be casually walking there, time being wasted from this speed reduction.

It wouldn’t slow anything down Link.

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> > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> Thank you. I saw the no sprinting idea and the only thing that popped in my head was that everything would slow down. No sprinting wouldn’t be competitive, it would move strategic options. Plus, game odes where your usually down to the wire on time would suffer from this. Instead of everyone sprinting to the objective in a rush, everyone would just be casually walking there, time being wasted from this speed reduction.

You know that in a game where you don’t have sprint, the base movement speed’s the same relative speed that sprint would be, and the maps are made around that singular speed, so you aren’t moving slower?

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> > > > I assure you, 100% that I am but one person…
> > > >
> > > > I don’t necessarily feel that I misunderstood all of your explanations (albeit I’m not perfect- I may have incidentally missed a few things like the link in your previous reply). I think you maybe are mislabeling your issue here- your simple explanations are often your opinions. Which are fine and dandy in this world that is the Waypoint forums, however you must understand that there is indeed a difference between someone “misunderstanding very simple explanations,” and simple disagreeing with you. I try to be respectful and on-topic when I explain my disagreements with you on your stance regarding sprint.
> > > >
> > > > The only source of any issues you and I have had revolve around basic respect… And I get it, the point has been beaten for you at this point. Thing is, I just want to debate this with an open mind. I think everything should be entitled to have and formulate their own opinion on sprint and its effects on Halo. You and I have disagreed regarding this point which is an issue to me. It’s not that I misunderstand you, I think I’ve come to understand you much better as the thread goes on as a matter of fact.
> > > >
> > > > But once more, I’ve told you before that I do not have any smurf, duplicate, alternate accounts on Waypoint. I swear by whatever it is you need to me swear by that THAT would never ever be me. I don’t believe in hiding behind a fake identity to try to bolster ones’ point- that much would be cowardice to me… Even if someone did it to like their own posts, its still dishonest… If nothing else you’ll see that much for proof- I have plenty of posts go by that do not get any likes. I don’t know much about people who use smurfs, but I know rountinely liking themselves in posts is sure to be part of the “self love,” aspect required to feel the need to hide behind multiple identities in the first place. Got a couple people in my Spartan Company who do use multiple accounts- not here, but on XBL… And the concept seems to fit, there’s a certain satisfaction they have been switching identities like that… Maybe it’s for a clean slate on stats, maybe it’s to lose a bad rep- those are reasons I’ve witness for such behavior… But me, I personally like the tag that I have. I take satisfaction in taking whatever proverbial “high-road,” is associated by not hiding behind smurfs to try and insult or bait people… Or reaffirm myself for my own benefit- whatever it is that drives people to do it that’s just not me I can promise you that.
> > > >
> > > > I’d be happy to play with you any time to prove it over XBL. I’ve also recently befriended Lorient Avandi (would be happy to share the message traffic on that too if you require further proof) and we should be playing soon over XBL so one person can’t play at the same time on Halo 5…
> > > >
> > > > I mean, there are more pro-sprinters out there willing to defend the position than just us… Is that why you make that assumption? Either way I will admit that it’s somewhat flattering in a strange way (just knowing that Lorient Avandi shares my position to the extent you say they do)
> > >
> > >
> > > I wasn’t seriously suggesting you’re both the same person, I was just making a point.
> > >
> > > Regarding the bolded: right there, you just proved my point. I never said I that people aren’t entitled to their opinions to sprint or it’s place in the game. You just took what I said and tried to make it mean something else, which is what I’m saying you do all the time, whether it’s intentional or not.
> >
> >
> > Okay well, I guess I missed your point… GG, you got me. Not really on-topic in regards to sprint if you ask me… But I’m willing to see the lighter side of things I know we have have gotten a little heated during our discussions, but honestly straight up, all I want to be able to debate this issue. If you want the same, we should have any problems.
> >
> > That said, I have a short memory. You did say people shouldn’t post here the other day if they don’t provide an explanation. Look, I’m not asking you to compromise anything on your stance on sprint- I doubt you will and it’s fine if you feel that way. However can you compromise on how we debate this? For one, anyone should be allowed to post here- I’m not going to run off anyone who says “I don’t like sprint,” any more than you should if someone says, “I like sprint”. Point is that it’s not really incumbent upon any of us to tell people they can or cannot post here. No issues with asking people to explain but if they don’t explain it doesn’t mean they have to leave the thread or that their opinion on sprint should be written off as worthless. Just basic things- and despite what you may think about me it’s never been about “oh you have to respect my feelings when you debate with me,” it’s more like, “look man you ain’t gonna be telling me and others we can’t post or that our opinions are worthless.” It feels counter productive to me because it comes off as trying to chase people out the thread who disagree with you and “stuff the ballot,” so to speak to try and make it appear more people don’t like sprint than actually do. I dunno if that’s what you actually mean to do, but either way it’s about basic respect, not necessary respect in general or hurt feelings.
>
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> I know what I said and it’s not what you said I said, nor did it imply what you keep saying I said.

Fine… Then can I just say “my mistake,” to you at this point? What happened then is not that big of a deal - it’s about where this discussion is going. In the future can we just respectfully debate with opposing sides? (Respect in the sense of basic respect- IE anyone should be able to post their sprint opinions with or without explanation). You want to ask someone to explain their position? Of course, just like any other thread ask them to explain- don’t misunderstand what I’m asking for. I’m not suggesting that anyone needs to be all “touchy-feely,” about it- be firm in your stance on sprint whatever you want to say to me for instance- let’s discuss if it’s for the betterment of this topic regarding sprint. I know we’ve gotten into some heated debates because we’re both passionate Halo fans that just want two slightly different things in the next Halo game- I’m not saying this to make you change your stance or “soften up,” either. Whatever was said doesn’t matter- it’s about the future of this constructive debate on sprint.

I mean, that can’t be asking for too much right?? Surely I would have no issue continuing to debate with you- as I told you before you’ve helped me learn some stuff about why my fellow fans want to remove sprint. That has to mean something right there.

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> > > > > I assure you, 100% that I am but one person…
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t necessarily feel that I misunderstood all of your explanations (albeit I’m not perfect- I may have incidentally missed a few things like the link in your previous reply). I think you maybe are mislabeling your issue here- your simple explanations are often your opinions. Which are fine and dandy in this world that is the Waypoint forums, however you must understand that there is indeed a difference between someone “misunderstanding very simple explanations,” and simple disagreeing with you. I try to be respectful and on-topic when I explain my disagreements with you on your stance regarding sprint.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only source of any issues you and I have had revolve around basic respect… And I get it, the point has been beaten for you at this point. Thing is, I just want to debate this with an open mind. I think everything should be entitled to have and formulate their own opinion on sprint and its effects on Halo. You and I have disagreed regarding this point which is an issue to me. It’s not that I misunderstand you, I think I’ve come to understand you much better as the thread goes on as a matter of fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > But once more, I’ve told you before that I do not have any smurf, duplicate, alternate accounts on Waypoint. I swear by whatever it is you need to me swear by that THAT would never ever be me. I don’t believe in hiding behind a fake identity to try to bolster ones’ point- that much would be cowardice to me… Even if someone did it to like their own posts, its still dishonest… If nothing else you’ll see that much for proof- I have plenty of posts go by that do not get any likes. I don’t know much about people who use smurfs, but I know rountinely liking themselves in posts is sure to be part of the “self love,” aspect required to feel the need to hide behind multiple identities in the first place. Got a couple people in my Spartan Company who do use multiple accounts- not here, but on XBL… And the concept seems to fit, there’s a certain satisfaction they have been switching identities like that… Maybe it’s for a clean slate on stats, maybe it’s to lose a bad rep- those are reasons I’ve witness for such behavior… But me, I personally like the tag that I have. I take satisfaction in taking whatever proverbial “high-road,” is associated by not hiding behind smurfs to try and insult or bait people… Or reaffirm myself for my own benefit- whatever it is that drives people to do it that’s just not me I can promise you that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’d be happy to play with you any time to prove it over XBL. I’ve also recently befriended Lorient Avandi (would be happy to share the message traffic on that too if you require further proof) and we should be playing soon over XBL so one person can’t play at the same time on Halo 5…
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean, there are more pro-sprinters out there willing to defend the position than just us… Is that why you make that assumption? Either way I will admit that it’s somewhat flattering in a strange way (just knowing that Lorient Avandi shares my position to the extent you say they do)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wasn’t seriously suggesting you’re both the same person, I was just making a point.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the bolded: right there, you just proved my point. I never said I that people aren’t entitled to their opinions to sprint or it’s place in the game. You just took what I said and tried to make it mean something else, which is what I’m saying you do all the time, whether it’s intentional or not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay well, I guess I missed your point… GG, you got me. Not really on-topic in regards to sprint if you ask me… But I’m willing to see the lighter side of things I know we have have gotten a little heated during our discussions, but honestly straight up, all I want to be able to debate this issue. If you want the same, we should have any problems.
> > >
> > > That said, I have a short memory. You did say people shouldn’t post here the other day if they don’t provide an explanation. Look, I’m not asking you to compromise anything on your stance on sprint- I doubt you will and it’s fine if you feel that way. However can you compromise on how we debate this? For one, anyone should be allowed to post here- I’m not going to run off anyone who says “I don’t like sprint,” any more than you should if someone says, “I like sprint”. Point is that it’s not really incumbent upon any of us to tell people they can or cannot post here. No issues with asking people to explain but if they don’t explain it doesn’t mean they have to leave the thread or that their opinion on sprint should be written off as worthless. Just basic things- and despite what you may think about me it’s never been about “oh you have to respect my feelings when you debate with me,” it’s more like, “look man you ain’t gonna be telling me and others we can’t post or that our opinions are worthless.” It feels counter productive to me because it comes off as trying to chase people out the thread who disagree with you and “stuff the ballot,” so to speak to try and make it appear more people don’t like sprint than actually do. I dunno if that’s what you actually mean to do, but either way it’s about basic respect, not necessary respect in general or hurt feelings.
> >
> >
> > I know what I said and it’s not what you said I said, nor did it imply what you keep saying I said.
>
>
> Fine… Then can I just say “my mistake,” to you at this point? What happened then is not that big of a deal - it’s about where this discussion is going. In the future can we just respectfully debate with opposing sides? (Respect in the sense of basic respect- IE anyone should be able to post their sprint opinions with or without explanation)
>
> I mean, that can’t be asking for too much right?? Surely I would have no issue continuing to debate with you- as I told you before you’ve helped me learn some stuff about why my fellow fans want to remove sprint. That has to mean something right there

Sure, you can say “my mistake” in regards to every time you did that. But unless it’s something you’re doing intentionally, it’s just gonna keep happening, which is the main reason I stopped arguing with you. I don’t want to have to repeatedly tell you (sometimes multiple tiems in a single post), “that’s not what I said”, so unless I see some indication that won’t happen I don’t intend on having a back and forth with you.

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> > > Sure, you can say “my mistake” in regards to every time you did that. But unless it’s something you’re doing intentionally, it’s just gonna keep happening, which is the main reason I stopped arguing with you. I don’t want to have to repeatedly tell you (sometimes multiple tiems in a single post), “that’s not what I said”, so unless I see some indication that won’t happen I don’t intend on having a back and forth with you.

Hey now, didn’t you just post a link to an article supporting your stance that I told you that I found interesting and even eye-opening? I’m still reading through it now- I have no intention for anything to “keep happening,” with you regarding the past. My interest in being here in the first place and contributing to this thread has always been the same- to debate sprint by discussing my opinions with fellow Halo fans.

And if there’s anything that I say or have said that you misunderstood just tell me- I’ll be glad to take the time to clarify whether it be here- or in a PM should it be too repetitive to even be on topic here in this sprint debate thread. Also, I’m pretty sure that’s the first time that I’ve told you “my mistake,” which was over the past few threads because I figured since we’re discussing the issue things were looking up regarding being able to constructively debate sprint with you and in turn contribute more things of value to the sprint discussion.

To that end, I have also suggested ways that 343i could try to collect and assess feedback from the fans regarding sprint… If 343i says the majority of fans want sprint to be removed for instance, I’m going to respect that decision even though I’d personally rather keep sprint. That wouldn’t be my stance if I hadn’t been in this thread discovering why fellow fans like you and Exuberant legitimately want to remove it. I would have just been shocked and appalled but now I know that there are people out there with their own views and reasons for preferring to remove sprint.

I just want to be as clear as possible - this isn’t a plea deal or a cop out or anything like that- You still firmly want sprint removed… I get it. I still want sprint to stay. However discussing our views on the matter has been productive either way and would be exponentially more productive if we just went about it the right way. And by all means, if I misunderstand something you say then call me on it and let’s just get it clarified if that’s the case so we can discuss the issue of sprint.

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Cans we have war zone turbo NOOWWWW?!*******

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> > > > > > > > > > Sprint in halo simply is not necessary. It is as basic a concept as that.
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> > > > > > > > > True, but there are benefits to it. There isn’t an inheretly right answer. It’s not a black and white issue. True it doesn’t NEED to be in the game, but it also doesn’t NEED to leave.
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> > > > > > > > False, there isn’t a correct answer. Sprint in halo is like changing the rules of basketball so you don’t have to dribble. It is game changing. Sprint should not be in halo, specifically competitive “arena” halo, simple as that. For more casual/experimental modes, sure, put it in there why not. But on the core competitive side of the game, sprint has no place.
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> > > > > > > I believe this is closer to the truth than a lot of other arguments TBH. People can bicker over the differences it makes in the game play all day long if they want and get into the most tedious details possible… but that’s basically doing the job the devs have already done anyway… it’s dissecting the effects it has on the game.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s true that there isn’t a correct answer, but using the effects it has as bickering points is moot. The bottom line isn’t whether the game does or does not NEED it. What it all boils down to is whether people like the effects it has, to the point that they won’t play the game if it isn’t there or vice versa.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Personally, I don’t like sprint and I don’t need to offer a single explanation of what effects it has on the game at all, in order to say I don’t want it, or to justify why I feel that way.
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> > > > > > Exactly. Especially since most people have their preformed opinion or stance, providing reasons will do nothing to change anyones mind and will only serve to start arguments.
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> > > > >
> > > > > I am sorry but you guys are wrong. It as a simple matter of defining the problem, and then using logic and quantitative variables in order to come to the logical and objective conclusion. What people enjoy can be an opinion. However, what is objectively better or worse for competitive gameplay is often a matter of objective fact.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I’ve never played a single video game to objectively quantify what is better or worse about any singular aspect of it. I’m there to enjoy it, not dissect it. Objectively better or worse for gameplay does not specifically quantify the amount of enjoyment one gets from it.
> > >
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> > > You simply did not understand what I said… if you are only trying to enjoy the game on a causal level, then do not advocate for spirit and just ask for it to be in custom matches and other casual game types. Thanks
> >
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> > Let it be known that you were the one to bring up the word casual. And even if professional level players who were good at the game and were competitive got less enjoyment from it? Most competitive/professionals I know are good because they enjoy what they’re doing first and foremost and wanting to be competitve/professional comes later. Very few people compete in events they don’t enjoy to begin with. Casual and competitive aren’t as night and day different from each other as some people would like them to appear in order to make a point. You talk as if casual and enjoyment go together, yet competitive and enjoyment cannot. It doesn’t work that way. Welcome.
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> No Comp and Enjoyment can, but Comp and “casual” inherently can’t. Welcome.

Thank you for proving my point. Enjoyment comes first and since you even agree that “Comp and Enjoyment can” then there are most certainly “Comp” gamers who dislike sprint just as there are casuals who like it. That, by its very nature, puts us all in the same boat regardless of pro or anti… no matter how hard you try to push those who dislike it into a dinghy labeled “do not advocate for spirit and just ask for it to be in custom matches and other casual game types.” Not. Happening. There are a myriad of reasons that comp and casual “inherently can’t” and sprint is only a drop in that bucket.

BTW, maybe it’s you who misunderstood what I said… I never said I liked sprint… I said the opposite. Pretty sure that’s not “advocating” for sprint.

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> Yeah I was about to say that… I mean, it’s an interesting read nonetheless and insightful as it somewhat sheds a bit of light onto 343’s decision-making process… But it leaves way for interpretation- especially regarding how “traditional,” it may or may not have been. That article makes no reference to sprint at all; although whatever build they were using may have excluded sprint, we can’t say for sure either way based upon that read (The previous Halo title included sprint before Halo 4)… Also the author paraphrases multiple times which isn’t the best method of accurate reporting on their part; however it’s still a pretty good read as it’s still an entertaining writing style nonetheless.

“Very traditional” was the quote used.

Since Reach only included sprint as an AA and the original trilogy (and even ODST) didn’t use any sort of sprint or equipment, it’s a safe assumption or educated guess that “very traditional” would be somehwere in the ball park of the original trilogy. Hence, no sprint, no AAs, probably no equipment and maybe not dual wielding.

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> Yeah, I believe UEG ShadowAngel said it best regarding this issue… There’s not going to be any end-all, be-all slam dunk here to win either way. Anti-sprinters should know that, I know pro sprinters seem to accept that. This thread is about debating the issue, but it doesn’t have to be a black and white, “My side has to beat yours,” affair either.
>
> I’m hoping to continue to learn more about anti-sprinters’ ideas for the next Halo and to hear about more potential compromises to the issue of Sprint. It’s going to take a little bit of compromising on either side- at the very least for the sake of a constructive discussion. It doesn’t mean anti-sprinters have to budge in their stance or anything, but they will have to open-minded enough to hear out pro-sprinters and not try to write off every opinion about why sprint is good for Halo (And vice versa - same goes for pro sprinters)

Well the issue here is that you have one group that doesn’t want sprint and all associated effects and one group that does, You either please one, or the other. I personally started off wanting sprint in Halo 4 and clamber in Halo 5, but both games have helped prove to me why they aren’t good for the gameplay. These abilities DO change the game. For me sprint not only puts off anti-sprinters but also all casual non-fps players, The extra abilities are extra barriers to learning the gameplay.

And like I said, you either include it, make Halo more “modern” and exclude one group, or exclude it and exclude those who enjoy this kind of gameplay. It’s either that or you make both classic and modern Halo games.

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I feel like at the crux of this issue is two preferences. People who want tradeoffs in movement and those who do not.

Seeing as halo was founded on the idea of movement without tradeoffs( strafing/jumping without penalties to accuracy), one of those preferences seems to fit halo and one does not.

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> I feel like at the crux of this issue is two preferences. People who want tradeoffs in movement and those who do not.
>
> Seeing as halo was founded on the idea of movement without tradeoffs( strafing/jumping without penalties to accuracy), one of those preferences seems to fit halo and one does not.

I personally am not very affected by the trade off. After playing others games with the no shoot while sprinting thing, you kinda get used to preparing for the battle before it happens. Personally, not being able to shoot while sprinting has made me better.