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> > I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
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> Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
“No, you need long play time in order to discuss it here.”
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> > > I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
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> > Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
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> “No, you need long play time in order to discuss it here.”
“You don’t have 6 years of Halo played and didn’t participate in G4G and MLG tournies during the prime years of 2007? Get out.” Kappa.
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> > > Has anyone from either side actually ever put up some worthwhile analytical evidence or data backing up this “stretched/not stretched” map theory ? i see it trumpeted often but to me its always peddled across as some smoking gun evidence despite no one having any evidence to back it up at all.
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> > If you go to my file share, I did some runthroughs of maps from halo 3 and halo 2 that have been remade in Halo 4 and 5 and recorded it, as those maps are the easiest to compare the “stretched/not stretched” idea. I will try to find the post I made about it… but that is all I’ve seen. I found that in most cases, the map hasnt been stretched and sprint legitimately speeds up the time you traverse the map.
> >
> > Here it is!
> >
> > My Halo 5 Video File Share.
> >
> > My Halo MCC File Share
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> midship has clearly been stretched and theres no denying it.
Did I say that it hasnt? If you went to my links, you wouldve found that I confirm midship has been stretched.
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> > > > I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
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> > > Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
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> >
> > “No, you need long play time in order to discuss it here.”
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> “You don’t have 6 years of Halo played and didn’t participate in G4G and MLG tournies during the prime years of 2007? -Yoink-.” Kappa.
The funny thing is I wasn’t a Halo player during Halo CE ~ Halo 4 time and I never had someone telling me “go play more Halo to understand it.” The even more funny thing is most people treat me as one of veterans from years ago and calling me nostalgic Bungie fanboy.
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> > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > >
> > > Of course it is an option.
> > > Sprint is only a mechanic that’s subject to any decision the developers make of it.
> > > Just like:
> > > -Custom global loadouts
> > > -Bloom
> > > -Armor Abilities
> > > -Dual Wielding
> > > -Grenade Indicators
> > > -Flinch
> > > -Personal Ordnance
> >
> >
> > You are ok, but if Halo 6 has not sprint, 343i must remake the entire gameplay, and that means a big change once again, like Halo 4,
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> They should have just stuck with what was already good and never tried to change Halo.
The mistake of 343i is copy to the most popular FPS (COD) thinking that attract more public but did not work and now they suffer the consequences
i agree with your point of view
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You said,
> > > > > > “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I said my problem with you in the first sentence on my reply to that here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re “worthless,” to you if they’re pro sprint.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you.
> > > > > > You do the same thing every time in this thread:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow, that was a mouthful. It really is like when you read other people’s posts you just drift in and out constantly, not seeming to know what people are talking about and just coming to your own conclusion. It’s fascinating.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, I’ll ask: how does sprint benefit the gameplay. Are you even willing to try and explain or are you just in “complain mode” right now? I’m trying to get this topic back on track and you’re just going on and on about other stuff.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I quoted you directly so get off of it already. You’re just a jerk to people in this thread, plain and simple… You’ve been misquoting people, discrediting people, and telling people not to post since you brought yourself to this thread. If anything you shouldn’t post here because you can’t bring yourself to do so respectfully.
> > >
> > >
> > > So you’re not gonna discuss sprints effect on the game and/or why it’s for the better? Interesting. Very interesting indeed.
> >
> >
> > He has a point. Youre not credible in any way shape or form because of how you conduct yourself.
>
>
> I conduct myself fine. There was no constant stream of complaints in this 10k post topic until he got here and starting whining because he can’t read polls.
I don’t know what thread youve been reading, but this one certainly has never been civil. Even long before Sin got here…
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> Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
Agreed but almost no time played at all doesn’t equal any knowledge in the first place to stand on regarding in-game mechanics. I’m not trying to downplay newcomers to the franchise, I’m just respectfully recommending that they play the game a little bit first.
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Just saw this post… But you know remade maps aren’t made to the exact dimensions of developer made maps, be it horizontally or vertically, right? There’s a ton of room for error, which makes that “point” entirely moot.
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>
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> Just saw this post… But you know remade maps aren’t made to the exact dimensions of developer made maps, be it horizontally or vertically, right? There’s a ton of room for error, which makes that “point” entirely moot.
No it doesnt. If anything, if that is your argument it SHOULD confirm your idea that maps have been stretched when they havent. If remade maps in Halo 5 or Halo 4 truly are stretched, then they should show it. But they dont. If anything, aside from truth, they are smaller.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
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> > > > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
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> > > > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well thanks for the compliment, I suppose… But I normally would never speak to someone like that because most people have a sense of respect for others. It takes a really special kind of person to bring that out of me, I guess because even if I disagree with someone I feel they ought to be able to discuss. As such I doubt that I’ll ever have any future in that profession. 
> > >
> > > Zr0fear just hit a wall that they couldn’t tap-dance out of this time… And in the end of the day, it’s hard to defend being a jerk to people. It can be done if it’s warranted I suppose, but you can’t really justify telling someone that their opinion is worthless no matter who you are. Especially when zr0fear is going to reference opinions from polls to try justify their own stance.
> > >
> > > I’ll debate sprint with anti-sprinters when they do so respectfully (like for realzies, is that too much to ask for??) And I actually have debated this issue in this thread with a lot of people and I’ve been learning a lot about why anti-sprinters want it removed. It’s been eye-opening for me in a lot of ways, but I still want sprint to stay.
> > >
> > > And even though I do feel that this thread itself was kept alive by a few anti sprinters way after it arguably should have died- I’m actually glad to have partaken in the discussion to learn a little more about why some people don’t like sprint, and more importantly to discuss potential “solutions,” or really just ideas from fellow fans regarding how 343i could address this issue in the next Halo installment. Some anti sprinters don’t want to compromise- to those few it’s “all or nothing,” which is perpetuating the problem itself (and really doing a disservice to themselves in the end of the day because that inability to compromise is not going to get anyone anywhere).
> >
> >
> > Hey man, can you please discuss sprint instead of needlessly argueing things irrelevant to the thread? You’re sorta derailing the thread.
>
>
> Interesting… Post #2 (your very first post on Waypoint being earlier today in this thread) for a Recruit - Iron that has barely played Halo (on that account) urging me to stay on topic in a thread they just got to… Quite interesting… If you actually are brand new to Halo, first of all welcome to the forums!! You should start out by paying a visit to the Roll Call forums to introduce yourself. I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
>
> Either way I’ve been on topic- I’ve offered multiple reasons why sprint should stay. I’ve also listened to anti-sprinters and respectfully debated this issue with them. That post you quoted was me describing why it’s going to be imperative for anti sprinters and sprinters to be able to come to some common ground in order to make this issue constructive. That’s about as on-topic as it can get.
1 - “Just got to” as in lurking long enough to see you disagree with this thread’s existence, yet spam irrelevant complaints towards others while failing
to refute multiple argument they made references sprint. Also long enough to see explanations of why sprint is poor for gameplay, such as altered map design, altered aim assist/bullet magnetism, and shortening skill gap through less punishment of poor plays and other stuff. Rank isn’t a good indications anything, so I suggest you don’t assume anything based solely off of it.
2 - You directly stated in the post that you refused to discuss sprint - the topic this thread is about - because you thought they were being disrespectful. And you failed to discuss sprint’s impact on gameplay, once again, in this latest post. I find that more interesting than how much time it says I’ve played on this account. The most sprint I’ve seen you discuss until your last few posts revolved around a misunderstanding of previous sprint polls that were quickly and easily explained.
I enjoy seeing Sprint-related discussion to see just how big an impact it has, and you’re making that difficult. Anyway, hopefully 343 has taken note of some of the better points made in this thread. There’s been some careful looks at the gameplay, which should certainly take precedence over lore MP.
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> > Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
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> “No, you need long play time in order to discuss it here.”
That’s not what I said at all- you’re misquoting me by paraphrasing me incorrectly
Once more, is a respectful discussion too much to ask for???
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> Agreed but almost no time played at all doesn’t equal any knowledge in the first place to stand on regarding in-game mechanics. I’m not trying to downplay newcomers to the franchise, I’m just respectfully recommending that they play the game first (or stick to using one account in the event that’s what they’re actually doing)… Usually people that haven’t played Halo yet won’t immediately take to the forums to tell users to stay on topic in a thread with their first or second post ever regarding in-game mechanics.
I haven’t played the original CE in well over 5 years, but that doesn’t stop me from knowing almost everything about how it works, solely from others teaching me about it, be it by text, or videos of LAN tournaments. It’s very possible to have an educated opinion or knowledge base without actually playing the game. It’s not common, but you shouldn’t really tell someone they need to play the game to understand it more when they may very well understand it, but just not play it.
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> > > Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
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> > “No, you need long play time in order to discuss it here.”
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> That’s not what I said at all- you’re obnoxiously misquoting me by paraphrasing me incorrectly (plus Exuberant only took out a small excerpt from my post again…)
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> Once more, is a respectful discussion too much to ask for???
I wasn’t pretending to be like you.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
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> > > > > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
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> > > > > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
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> > > > > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
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> > > > > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
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> > > > > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
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> > > > > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
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> > > > Well thanks for the compliment, I suppose… But I normally would never speak to someone like that because most people have a sense of respect for others. It takes a really special kind of person to bring that out of me, I guess because even if I disagree with someone I feel they ought to be able to discuss. As such I doubt that I’ll ever have any future in that profession.
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> > > > Zr0fear just hit a wall that they couldn’t tap-dance out of this time… And in the end of the day, it’s hard to defend being a jerk to people. It can be done if it’s warranted I suppose, but you can’t really justify telling someone that their opinion is worthless no matter who you are. Especially when zr0fear is going to reference opinions from polls to try justify their own stance.
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> > > > I’ll debate sprint with anti-sprinters when they do so respectfully (like for realzies, is that too much to ask for??) And I actually have debated this issue in this thread with a lot of people and I’ve been learning a lot about why anti-sprinters want it removed. It’s been eye-opening for me in a lot of ways, but I still want sprint to stay.
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> > > > And even though I do feel that this thread itself was kept alive by a few anti sprinters way after it arguably should have died- I’m actually glad to have partaken in the discussion to learn a little more about why some people don’t like sprint, and more importantly to discuss potential “solutions,” or really just ideas from fellow fans regarding how 343i could address this issue in the next Halo installment. Some anti sprinters don’t want to compromise- to those few it’s “all or nothing,” which is perpetuating the problem itself (and really doing a disservice to themselves in the end of the day because that inability to compromise is not going to get anyone anywhere).
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> > > Hey man, can you please discuss sprint instead of needlessly argueing things irrelevant to the thread? You’re sorta derailing the thread.
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> > If you actually are brand new to Halo, first of all welcome to the forums!! You should start out by paying a visit to the Roll Call forums to introduce yourself. I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
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> > Either way I’ve been on topic- I’ve offered multiple reasons why sprint should stay. I’ve also listened to anti-sprinters and respectfully debated this issue with them. That post you quoted was me describing why it’s going to be imperative for anti sprinters and sprinters to be able to come to some common ground in order to make this issue constructive. That’s about as on-topic as it can get.
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> 1 - “Just got to” as in lurking long enough to see you disagree with this thread’s existence, yet spam irrelevant complaints towards others while failing
> to refute multiple argument they made references sprint. Also long enough to see explanations of why sprint is poor for gameplay, such as altered map design, altered aim assist/bullet magnetism, and shortening skill gap through less punishment of poor plays and other stuff. Rank isn’t a good indications anything, so I suggest you don’t assume anything based solely off of it.
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> 2 - You directly stated in the post that you refused to discuss sprint - the topic this thread is about - because you thought they were being disrespectful. And you failed to discuss sprint’s impact on gameplay, once again, in this latest post. I find that more interesting than how much time it says I’ve played on this account. The most sprint I’ve seen you discuss until your last few posts revolved around a misunderstanding of previous sprint polls that were quickly and easily explained.
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> I enjoy seeing Sprint-related discussion to see just how big an impact it has, and you’re making that difficult. Anyway, hopefully 343 has taken note of some of the better points made in this thread. There’s been some careful looks at the gameplay, which should certainly take precedence over lore MP.
Have you have a chance to make your way to the Roll Call forums yet?
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> > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > Then why did shooters ditch it after (or was it in?) the 90’s? Are you too young to know a world without sprint in shooters?
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> > I played wolfestein 3D, the first FPS, i played Doom too, who is young?
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> Great, then answer my first question. Sprint wasn’t created in 2007.
the point is, no sprint= small, close, metrical and complex level design (wolfestein, Doom, Quake). Sprint= big, open, asymmetric and simple level design (Half life, Nuke dukem, Perfect dark) and yeah, the sprint was not created in 2007
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> > > > > I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
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> > > > Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
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> > That’s not what I said at all- you’re obnoxiously misquoting me by paraphrasing me incorrectly (plus Exuberant only took out a small excerpt from my post again…)
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> > Once more, is a respectful discussion too much to ask for???
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I didn’t accuse you of pretending to be like me I asked you to stop quoting me incorrectly.
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> > > > > > I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
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> > > > > Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
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> > > That’s not what I said at all- you’re obnoxiously misquoting me by paraphrasing me incorrectly (plus Exuberant only took out a small excerpt from my post again…)
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> I didn’t accuse of pretending to be like me I asked you to stop quoting me incorrectly.
I never intended to quote you. No offense to you. I was mimicking the general people who tell others like this. I read your post before posting that comment.
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> > > > > > > I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
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> > > > > > Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
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> > > > That’s not what I said at all- you’re obnoxiously misquoting me by paraphrasing me incorrectly (plus Exuberant only took out a small excerpt from my post again…)
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> I never intended to quote you. No offense to you. I was mimicking the general people who tell others like this. I read your post before posting that comment.
Fair enough - I’m just asking people in general to stop misquoting me… It’s getting out of hand and I wouldn’t do that to other people. There are a couple others here that choose to try and twist words around versus engaging in a proactive and respectful discussion about sprint like we’re supposed to be doing in this thread… I like sprint and want it to stay, for all the reasons that I’ve mentioned in this thread yet I’m still objective enough to listen to people who don’t like sprint. I just ask that we respect one another while we debate.
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> > > > > > > > I also respectfully recommend playing a little bit of Halo before you engage in a thread regarding one of it’s gameplay mechanics.
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> > > > > > > Time played doesn’t equal knowledge attained. Something I cannot stress enough.
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> > > > > That’s not what I said at all- you’re obnoxiously misquoting me by paraphrasing me incorrectly (plus Exuberant only took out a small excerpt from my post again…)
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> No it doesnt. If anything, if that is your argument it SHOULD confirm your idea that maps have been stretched when they havent. If remade maps in Halo 5 or Halo 4 truly are stretched, then they should show it. But they dont. If anything, aside from truth, they are smaller.
So, you agree, but also downplay it. I don’t think you’ve also responded to my other comments listing off about 10 different maps in regards to non-sprint and sprint Halos and their differences in scaling. But even AT that, Truth and Haven/Mercy both show geometric changes due to sprint/abilities. But it isn’t just limited to remade maps. It’s just very easy to show it with remade maps, especially when they come from the developers themselves. Denying it alone does nothing. You can’t just say “they’re smaller”, because there’s legitimate proof embedded in how the game’s designed that shows otherwise. Stuff I’ve listed and can prove definitely, like gaps in maps that you can’t make without sprint/abilities. Or ledges you can’t get to without sprinting+jumping+clambering.