The sprint discussion thread

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> > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
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> > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > What a mystery.
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> > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
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> > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
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> > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
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> > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
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> > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
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> No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.

You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you whatsoever…

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> > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
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> > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
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> > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
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> > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
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> > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
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> > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
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> You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…

I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?

You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
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> > > > >
> > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
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> > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > >
> > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > >
> > >
> > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> >
> >
> > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
>
>
> I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
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> You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.

My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.

My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that end- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.

And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.

You said,
“If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”

I clearly articulated my problem with that to you in the first sentence of my reply to that here:

"No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.

And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.

What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re, ‘worthless,’ to you if they’re pro sprint."

I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully or something to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you… Well that’s what you try to do anyway, but thankfully you’re actually powerless and inept to try to enforce your position on that. You’re furthermore a complete hypocrite in your own stance when you reference polls that boil down to people’s opinions on sprint.

You do the same thing every time in this thread:

-First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread

-Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew up their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.

You have no right, rhyme, or reason to stand upon to tell ANYONE not to post in any of these threads… Even if someone was off-topic and you felt inclined to try to take it upon yourself to conduct self-policing of the threads that’s also not allowed on Waypoint.

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> > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
>
>
> Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.

Not really, the map are about the same size. Besides, It’s not like you auto-sprint, if you dont wanna sprint, DONT SPRINT! But please remove Spartan Charge and Ground Pound.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > >
> > >
> > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> >
> >
> > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> >
> > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
>
>
> My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
>
> My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
>
> And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
>
> You said,
> “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
>
> I said my problem with you in the first sentence on my reply to that here:
>
> “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
>
> And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
>
> What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re “worthless,” to you if they’re pro sprint.”
>
> I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you.
> You do the same thing every time in this thread:
>
> -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
>
> -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.

Wow, that was a mouthful. It really is like when you read other people’s posts you just drift in and out constantly, not seeming to know what people are talking about and just coming to your own conclusion. It’s fascinating.

Again, I’ll ask: how does sprint benefit the gameplay? Are you even willing to try and explain or are you just in “complain mode” right now? I’m trying to get this topic back on track and you’re just going on and on about other stuff.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > >
> > >
> > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> >
> >
> > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> >
> > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
>
>
> My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
>
> My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that end- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
>
> And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
>
> You said,
> “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
>
> I clearly articulated my problem with that to you in the first sentence of my reply to that here:
>
> “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
>
> And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
>
> What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re, ‘worthless,’ to you if they’re pro sprint.”
>
> I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully or something to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you… Well that’s what you try to do anyway, but thankfully you’re actually powerless to try to enforce your position on that.
>
> You do the same thing every time in this thread:
>
> -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
>
> -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
>
> You have no right, rhyme, or reason to stand upon to tell ANYONE not to post in any of these threads… Even if someone was off-topic and you felt inclined to try to take it upon yourself to conduct self-policing of the threads that’s also not allowed on Waypoint.

…Damn. Welp. Wow. (well spoken, you should pursue a career as a professional roaster.)

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id go as far as saying there should be another tier of sprint added making you run even faster and take even more time to return to normal tactical speed

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > >
> > >
> > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > >
> > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
> >
> >
> > My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
> >
> > My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
> >
> > And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
> >
> > You said,
> > “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
> >
> > I said my problem with you in the first sentence on my reply to that here:
> >
> > “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> >
> > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> >
> > What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re “worthless,” to you if they’re pro sprint.”
> >
> > I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you.
> > You do the same thing every time in this thread:
> >
> > -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
> >
> > -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
>
>
> Wow, that was a mouthful. It really is like when you read other people’s posts you just drift in and out constantly, not seeming to know what people are talking about and just coming to your own conclusion. It’s fascinating.
>
> Again, I’ll ask: how does sprint benefit the gameplay. Are you even willing to try and explain or are you just in “complain mode” right now? I’m trying to get this topic back on track and you’re just going on and on about other stuff.

I quoted you directly so get off of it already. You’re just a jerk to people in this thread, plain and simple… You’ve been misquoting people, discrediting people, and telling people not to post since you brought yourself to this thread. If anything you shouldn’t post here because you can’t bring yourself to do so respectfully.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > > >
> > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
> > >
> > >
> > > My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
> > >
> > > My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
> > >
> > > And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
> > >
> > > You said,
> > > “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
> > >
> > > I said my problem with you in the first sentence on my reply to that here:
> > >
> > > “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > >
> > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > >
> > > What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re “worthless,” to you if they’re pro sprint.”
> > >
> > > I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you.
> > > You do the same thing every time in this thread:
> > >
> > > -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
> > >
> > > -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
> >
> >
> > Wow, that was a mouthful. It really is like when you read other people’s posts you just drift in and out constantly, not seeming to know what people are talking about and just coming to your own conclusion. It’s fascinating.
> >
> > Again, I’ll ask: how does sprint benefit the gameplay. Are you even willing to try and explain or are you just in “complain mode” right now? I’m trying to get this topic back on track and you’re just going on and on about other stuff.
>
>
> I quoted you directly so get off of it already. You’re just a jerk to people in this thread, plain and simple… You’ve been misquoting people, discrediting people, and telling people not to post since you brought yourself to this thread. If anything you shouldn’t post here because you can’t bring yourself to do so respectfully.

So you’re not gonna discuss sprints effect on the game and/or why it’s for the better? Interesting. Very interesting indeed.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > >
> > >
> > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > >
> > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
> >
> >
> > My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
> >
> > My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that end- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
> >
> > And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
> >
> > You said,
> > “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
> >
> > I clearly articulated my problem with that to you in the first sentence of my reply to that here:
> >
> > “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> >
> > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> >
> > What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re, ‘worthless,’ to you if they’re pro sprint.”
> >
> > I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully or something to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you… Well that’s what you try to do anyway, but thankfully you’re actually powerless to try to enforce your position on that.
> >
> > You do the same thing every time in this thread:
> >
> > -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
> >
> > -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
> >
> > You have no right, rhyme, or reason to stand upon to tell ANYONE not to post in any of these threads… Even if someone was off-topic and you felt inclined to try to take it upon yourself to conduct self-policing of the threads that’s also not allowed on Waypoint.
>
>
> …Damn. Welp. Wow. (well spoken, you should pursue a career as a professional roaster.)

Well thanks for the compliment, I suppose… But I normally would never speak to someone like that because most people have a sense of respect for others. It takes a really special kind of person to bring that out of me, I guess because even if I disagree with someone I feel they ought to be able to discuss. As such I doubt that I’ll ever have any future in that profession. :stuck_out_tongue:

Zr0fear just hit a wall that they couldn’t tap-dance out of this time… And in the end of the day, it’s hard to defend being a jerk to people. It can be done if it’s warranted I suppose, but you can’t really justify telling someone that their opinion is worthless no matter who you are. Especially when zr0fear is going to reference opinions from polls to try justify their own stance.

I’ll debate sprint with anti-sprinters when they do so respectfully (like for realzies, is that too much to ask for??) And I actually have debated this issue in this thread with a lot of people and I’ve been learning a lot about why anti-sprinters want it removed. It’s been eye-opening for me in a lot of ways, but I still want sprint to stay.

And even though I do feel that this thread itself was kept alive by a few anti sprinters way after it arguably should have died- I’m actually glad to have partaken in the discussion to learn a little more about why some people don’t like sprint, and more importantly to discuss potential “solutions,” or really just ideas from fellow fans regarding how 343i could address this issue in the next Halo installment. Some anti sprinters don’t want to compromise- to those few it’s “all or nothing,” which is perpetuating the problem itself (and really doing a disservice to themselves in the end of the day because that inability to compromise is not going to get anyone anywhere).

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> Not really, the map are about the same size. Besides, It’s not like you auto-sprint, if you dont wanna sprint, DONT SPRINT! But please remove Spartan Charge and Ground Pound.

They are not the same size. Maps legitimately need to be stretched out for sprint to “work”, and this is something you can see with ease in Halo 5, compared to prior Halos. And it’s not as easy as “don’t sprint” when you’re punished for not doing so in gameplay, since many jumps and distances require you to use it or die/falter. For example, bottom mid on Truth. If you’re caught in the bottom, and don’t use sprint to escape, you may as well just say goodbye and put your controller down until you respawn. Or the gap from top mid on Riptide, to the ledge near Beam Rifle’s spawn. You can’t make the leap without sprint (or thrust) by just vanilla jumping. It’s too wide due to the map’s elongated nature. The argument of “just don’t sprint” doesn’t work.

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> > > > > > Mfw people are using lore and narrative as an attempt to argue for gameplay mechanics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sprint’s negatives have been known for years, from the widening of maps and shrinking verticality, the slower pace of combat due to having a fast speed at which you can’t engage and a slow speed where you can fight, and the lack of zoning now that you gotta pray you know how fast somebody is moving.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have yet to see anything sprint has positively added to Halo that was not already present previously.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, people that are pro sprint usually either feel the way they do because of misconceptions or think sprint allows for certain things that no sprint wouldn’t allow (even though that’s usually false).
> > > > >
> > > > > At best sprint is unnecessary and at worst it completely ruins with the gameplay.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whatever you say man…whatever you say…
> > >
> > >
> > > Have anything of substance to say to suggest I’m wrong? I feel like if you did, you would have said so.
> >
> >
> > Look at my post at about halfway up the page.
> >
> > The map size is arguable, as you have to look at the map size on average. Every halo game has had giant ‘smaller maps’ as well as normal small maps.
> >
> > It legitimately adds an element of strategy. When to use it and not, or to crouch.
> >
> > it legitimately allows fr quicker reengagement.
> >
> > I can go on, I like the Halo games with sprint, I like the ones without sprint. The ones without sprint are some of my favorite (Halo 2A is my favorite halo multiplayer, Halo reach. (not everyone one has sprint) is my 2nd favorite.)
> >
> > I and many other can see both sides. To say that sprint has no positives is silly, but so is to say it is completely necessary.
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> Maps in non-sprint games were always sized appropriately for the amount of players the map was made for. There were no giant strictly 4v4 maps.
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> It doesn’t actually allow for more strategy, as it restricts you.
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> It also doesn’t increase the frequency of engagements because of the maps being bigger. More on all of that and why that matters is explained here.

Ok, well, lets get into this I guess. But Im not sure how worth it it will be. Probably not at all.

First of all, most of us on here speak from experience. But I notice you do not, you are mostly speaking from assumption. You havent even touched Halo 5, except for the beta. You barely played Halo 4 or Reach. Heck, there are plenty of pro-sprinters on here that have more playtime in Halo 3 than you do. Sin Shoot2kill, for example. He has tons more playtime in Halo 2 and Halo 3 than even you do, and he has played plenty of Reach, 4, and 5, and MCC. Something that cant be said about you.

In terms of maps, in each Halo game, there have been plenty of maps that are varying in size. Damnation for example, in CE, is as big or bigger than most 4-4 maps in Halo 4 and 5. Same with Hang em High/Tombstone. Even Rat Race is fairly sized for a 4v4. Colossus is bigger than almost any Halo 4, 5, or Reach 4v4 map. Construct is fairly large, same with orbital, You also have several maps in each game that have dual functions as BTB maps and 4v4 maps, such as Standoff, Hang Em High, and Complex. And we don’t even need to get into BTB, because the average size of BTB has not gotten ANY bigger with sprint. Not at all. Heck, many of the BTB maps in Halo 5 are smaller than many in Halo 1,2, and 3. Also, many of the maps in 1-Reach have a lot of dead space resulting from the lack of sprint. It isnt time effective to stay in certain parts of the map because of how long it takes to get to other parts. Most of the areas of the map in 4 and 5 are utilized on the other hand.

In terms of strategy, YES. Sprint adds an additional/different level of strategy not present in the original trilogy. You have to account for the fact that some people may be moving at different speeds than you. You have 3 different movement speeds to account for: sprint, walk, and crouch-walk. You are vulnerable when you sprint, but you can save time/potentially escape an unfavorable situation. There is definitely a risk-reward there. And in Halo 5 you have to account for shields not recharging when you sprint. Im not sure you even understand what the term ‘strategy’ means if you dont think sprint adds an additional level of strategy. It gives you options. Im not discounting that you didnt have strategy without sprint, it was just inherently different.

Again, I already went into the maps, which you have absolutely nothing to go off of as proof. The average map size has not changed With sprint.

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> They are not the same size. Maps legitimately need to be stretched out for sprint to “work”, and this is something you can see with ease in Halo 5, compared to prior Halos. And it’s not as easy as “don’t sprint” when you’re punished for not doing so in gameplay, since many jumps and distances require you to use it or die/falter. For example, bottom mid on Truth. If you’re caught in the bottom, and don’t use sprint to escape, you may as well just say goodbye and put your controller down until you respawn. Or the gap from top mid on Riptide, to the ledge near Beam Rifle’s spawn. You can’t make the leap without sprint (or thrust) by just vanilla jumping. It’s too wide due to the map’s elongated nature. The argument of “just don’t sprint” doesn’t work.

Yes they are on average the same size. This stretched-out idea is garbage. There may not be as many ‘tiny’ maps such as warlock or the original midship. But overall, the average size of the maps is the same. And BTB maps are more than likely on average smaller

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Garbage how? Tis how game design works, and again, it can be depicted with the newer maps that come out such as Truth to Midship. You know why there aren’t as many tiny maps? Because of sprint. The notion that they’re the same size is false.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
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> > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > > > > > Whatever you say, man. Your poll reading skills - or lack thereof - aren’t hurting me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
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> > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > > >
> > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
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> Well thanks for the compliment, I suppose… But I normally would never speak to someone like that because most people have a sense of respect for others. It takes a really special kind of person to bring that out of me, I guess because even if I disagree with someone I feel they ought to be able to discuss. As such I doubt that I’ll ever have any future in that profession. :stuck_out_tongue:
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> Zr0fear just hit a wall that they couldn’t tap-dance out of this time… And in the end of the day, it’s hard to defend being a jerk to people. It can be done if it’s warranted I suppose, but you can’t really justify telling someone that their opinion is worthless no matter who you are. Especially when zr0fear is going to reference opinions from polls to try justify their own stance.
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> I’ll debate sprint with anti-sprinters when they do so respectfully (like for realzies, is that too much to ask for??) And I actually have debated this issue in this thread with a lot of people and I’ve been learning a lot about why anti-sprinters want it removed. It’s been eye-opening for me in a lot of ways, but I still want sprint to stay.
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> And even though I do feel that this thread itself was kept alive by a few anti sprinters way after it arguably should have died- I’m actually glad to have partaken in the discussion to learn a little more about why some people don’t like sprint, and more importantly to discuss potential “solutions,” or really just ideas from fellow fans regarding how 343i could address this issue in the next Halo installment. Some anti sprinters don’t want to compromise- to those few it’s “all or nothing,” which is perpetuating the problem itself (and really doing a disservice to themselves in the end of the day because that inability to compromise is not going to get anyone anywhere).

Hey man, can you please discuss sprint instead of needlessly argueing things irrelevant to the thread? You’re sorta derailing the thread.

Anyway, on a more relevant note, I do too think Sprint should be removed. I think its impact on map design is one of its biggest offences. I feel like there hasn’t been a really, truly iconic map in the Halo series since Halo 3, and I do quite miss the old style. Couldn’t really get into Halo 4 or 5 too much.

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> Garbage how? Tis how game design works, and again, it can be depicted with the newer maps that come out such as Truth to Midship. You know why there aren’t as many tiny maps? Because of sprint. The notion that they’re the same size is false.

I said ON AVERAGE. Read my post below your last one. Yes, tiny maps dont work quite as well, but on average, most 4v4 maps are the same size. I listed off several maps, and can list off more, from the original trilogy that are 4v4 that are BIGGER than Halo 4 and 5 4V4 maps. And like I said, with BTB maps, the stretched out idea is garbage because it is simply not true. The notion that all maps are now stretched because of sprint is false. Im not sure you really understand how game design works if you think all maps in multiplayer games must be stretched out to accomodate sprint.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do so many of you hate sprinting
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a mystery.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You know what I find most eye-opening about that poll?? It just asked players if they wanted to keep flinch/sprint… That’s it- yet it’s important enough for you to cite it. Point is that you told me and others that our pro sprint opinions are worthless if we don’t explain ourselves yet no one who voted in those polls that mean so much to you now had to explain themselves. Once again those opinions matter to you because they support your opinion- opinions that don’t support your own never seem to matter to you- such as all the polls that sprint did win in these forums
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option
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> > > > > > > > > > You need to stop discounting pro sprinters who just want to give their opinion about sprint- especially if you’re going to keep referencing polls that were taken regarding players opinions on sprint.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just learn to read polls man. That’s on you, I can’t help you there. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
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> > > > > > > > No you can’t defend yourself here you have NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No right? I just did, look at that. You’re free to not post to btw. This topic seems to be bothering you, so maybe it’s for the best.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You telling someone not to post because their opinions are worthless is like a fake bully with no real power trying to tell people they can’t walk on a sidewalk. You have no basis to say something like that in the first place and people don’t have to and shouldn’t listen to you in the first place…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn’t say that, so what’s the problem again?
> > > > >
> > > > > You wanna tell me how sprint benefits the game? You don’t even need to read any polls, just use your own words. Or maybe you already did and it was just lost in a sea posts complaining about something else. Either way, try giving your thoughts or linking to where you did.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My problem was clear and you’re trying to deflect again.
> > > >
> > > > My problem. is you telling people they “shouldn’t post,” or equally to that- when you say that their opinions are “worthless,” and you try to drive people out of this thread if they don’t agree with your anti sprint opinion.
> > > >
> > > > And I just told you that so maybe you should try reading this time.
> > > >
> > > > You said,
> > > > “If they want to make some claim about why sprint is better or why no sprint is worse, then they should back it up. If they don’t like that, then they shouldn’t post.”
> > > >
> > > > I said my problem with you in the first sentence on my reply to that here:
> > > >
> > > > “No you can’t defend yourself here or deflect anything this time- you have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell someone they shouldn’t post.
> > > >
> > > > And you know perfectly well why I’m bringing up the polls - you want to use polls to defend your anti sprint opinion but NO ONE in those polls you use now were required to back up their opinions on sprint. Under your logic you shouldn’t ever reference a poll again because they don’t have to back up their opinions to vote in those polls.
> > > >
> > > > What it actually boils down to is that you want another way to try to discredit anyone who is pro sprint, but that’s not the point. The point is that you’re being a pure hypocrite by citing polls about sprint when those are just opinions in the first place and then flipping around here and trying to tell people not to post their opinions because they’re “worthless,” to you if they’re pro sprint.”
> > > >
> > > > I was succinct and to the point in describing how you’re trying to act like a cyber bully to people in this thread by running them out simply if they disagree with you.
> > > > You do the same thing every time in this thread:
> > > >
> > > > -First you demand explanation for pro sprint opinions otherwise you tell those people their opinions are worthless and then you try to run them out of the thread
> > > >
> > > > -Otherwise if they do engage with you you’ll just try to chew ups their opinions and if they don’t change their minds about sprint then you’ll just try to run them out of the thread anyway.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, that was a mouthful. It really is like when you read other people’s posts you just drift in and out constantly, not seeming to know what people are talking about and just coming to your own conclusion. It’s fascinating.
> > >
> > > Again, I’ll ask: how does sprint benefit the gameplay. Are you even willing to try and explain or are you just in “complain mode” right now? I’m trying to get this topic back on track and you’re just going on and on about other stuff.
> >
> >
> > I quoted you directly so get off of it already. You’re just a jerk to people in this thread, plain and simple… You’ve been misquoting people, discrediting people, and telling people not to post since you brought yourself to this thread. If anything you shouldn’t post here because you can’t bring yourself to do so respectfully.
>
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> So you’re not gonna discuss sprints effect on the game and/or why it’s for the better? Interesting. Very interesting indeed.

He has a point. Youre not credible in any way shape or form because of how you conduct yourself.

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Has anyone from either side actually ever put up some worthwhile analytical evidence or data backing up this “stretched/not stretched” map theory ? i see it trumpeted often but to me its always peddled across as some smoking gun evidence despite no one having any evidence to back it up at all.

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> > > > > > > > Mfw people are using lore and narrative as an attempt to argue for gameplay mechanics
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> > > > > > > > Sprint’s negatives have been known for years, from the widening of maps and shrinking verticality, the slower pace of combat due to having a fast speed at which you can’t engage and a slow speed where you can fight, and the lack of zoning now that you gotta pray you know how fast somebody is moving.
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> > > > > > > > I have yet to see anything sprint has positively added to Halo that was not already present previously.
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> > > > > > > Yeah, people that are pro sprint usually either feel the way they do because of misconceptions or think sprint allows for certain things that no sprint wouldn’t allow (even though that’s usually false).
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> > > > > > > At best sprint is unnecessary and at worst it completely ruins with the gameplay.
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> > > > > > Whatever you say man…whatever you say…
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> > > > > So his opinions don’t matter?
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> > > > Im not the one who is disregarding others opinions. That’s what I was referring to his disregard and looking down upon others opinions. The fact that he inferred that there is no reasonable argument for sprint. There are reasonable arguments on both sides
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> > >
> > > I know, but let’s not just pull the old “yep, I’m ignoring you” card.
> > >
> > > We need to find out what both sides are thinking, even the hatefull parts and try to fix everyones problems. I don’t agree with the hate, but there’s a reason people feel that way.
> > >
> > > Now if he dosn’t listen to your side, then I can see why you would go against him like that.
> > >
> > > Just an fyi, I haven’t read through this whole argument so I’m not completely sure what opinions are being stated. If you could fill me in that would be appreciated.
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> > im in class right now, but I will try to give you an overview later
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> Cool

So basically the argument is whether or not sprint should stay in halo.

Those who dislike sprint argue that:

  • Due to sprint, map design has gotten worse because maps have to be designed to accomodate sprint

  • Sprint has messed up the so called ‘golden triangle’ of halo, i.e. melee, shoot, grenades

  • Sprint has messed up the flow of the game, and while it is intended to speed it up, it in fact slows the game down

  • The argument that ‘just dont use sprint’ is invalid because it puts you at a disadvantage

  • The argument that spartans can sprint is invalid because spartans should be able to sprint with their gun up

  • rather than adding sprint they should just increase the Base Movement Speed
    Those who like sprint argue that

  • It speeds up the game

  • The game has evolved naturally in course with the way other FPS games are evolving

  • It makes you feel like a spartan

  • It is realistic

  • It adds strategy

  • It betters the flow of the gameThose are some of the basic arguments. (keep in mind, those are not necessarily MY views, just views I have seen commonly expressed on this thread)