The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > > > > No sprint makes me almost as depressed as not being the author of this topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I don’t want to see sprint removed either… But at the same time I feel we have to respect OP’s right to say how they feel about sprint too. I do personally feel this thread has been unnaturally kept alive and propelled by some of the anti-sprinters who came after OP, but at least the monitors helped re-shape this into a neutral topic.
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> > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was dead for a week or 2, and then SOMEONE had to revive it. I am glad the title is more neutral now though.
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> > > > > > > > > I did just reread the OP’s post though and it makes NO sense. No sprint in campaign!? That is the one place where sprint makes the most sense and is the most useful for EVERYONE involved. If I had a dime for every time I wished I had sprint on the Ark, the Covenant, Halo, the Library, and ESPECIALLY Mombasa streets, (I think you get the point) I’d be a rich man.
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> > > > > > > > It was never dead, it just wasn’t pinned, there are quite a few more things going on on this site then just a few pinned threads.
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> > > > > > > It wasn’t even in the 1st page of topics on the Halo 5 forum…thats pretty dead of you ask me.
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> > > > > > So because someone didn’t post in the topic for 20 minutes, that means it’s dead? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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> > > > > Nope, I had repeatedly checked for a while and it consistently wasn’t in the first page of topics. Not just once or twice. For any other thread that wouldve meant certain death. But for some reason, this one just had to be consitently revived.
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> > > > You realize the zr0fear is one of the key perpetrators that keep this thread going? He probably just lost his phone for a bit or something when this thread fell off the first page.
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> > > By that notion, so are you.
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> > I have occasionally responded and often feel baited back in by provactice comments from people like you. The main thing that I haven’t appreciated has been the exaggerating going on and over inflation of the issue by anti-sprinters- perpetually keeping this thread going has just been a part of the problem IMO.
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> > You told me twice that “middle grounds satisfy no one,” indicating you’ll never compromise so why would you even try to debate with anyone here about sprint in the first place?
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> > You tried to use your “OG Moniker status,” or whatever you call your experience on older Halos to completely discount somebody who said they liked sprint… Then just a few posts later you come back to get on me for citing my experience in the game to describe the effect that I personally have seen sprint have- you tried to use it both to mock me for playing that much (when you’re not that far behind me) and to throw it in my face that I shouldn’t cite my experience in the game in this debate right after you did so in an overtly rude fashion.
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> > Furthermore you can even go back to the very creation of this thread where I urged people NOT to partake in this thread because the title was completely bias (and wrong IMO but thankfully at least the monitors have surprised me by recently fixing the title to make it neutral)… I reminded people that this issue had been beaten to death many times in the past and the same old arguments were coming back up… Arguments that lead to a toxic environment which has once again been broached at multiple points during this threads lifespan. I’ve also not responded for weeks at a time and just hung back and seen anti-sprinters refuse to let this thread go quietly into the night again and again.
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> > So no, I haven’t perpetuated this thread in the manner that anti-sprinters have done. To add to that, I did just concede that there has been SOME good back and forth discussion going on in here which was honestly more than I expected, to say the least.
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> > The worst thing I think I’ve seen from you, from zr0fear, from jinxed, and other anti-sprinters that I will call you out on is when you’ve told me and other pro sprinters that our opinions are “worthless,” “useless,” “wrong,” “don’t matter,” etc etc. That’s nonsense and I won’t sit back and let you tell anyone that without stepping in to check you.
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> What I did do was call YOU on not responding to points I made against sprint and brushed past it by bringing up something else in an effort to say that I have no place in the debate because I used the same moniker you placed on yourself before I even joined the debate.
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> …All three of these, and variations of these are ways of deflecting argument…

You need to really let this go already as I have never deflected or avoided you.

Only other difference between us on this is that I understand that this is a forum- I’m not feeling as high and mighty about myself to assume that everything I say must be responded to. I understand you didn’t want to respond to me on several things, particularly when you can’t respond to things relating to compromises because this is something you wholly and self-admittedly refuse to do on this subject.

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> > > > > > > > No sprint makes me almost as depressed as not being the author of this topic.
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> > > > > > > Yeah, I don’t want to see sprint removed either… But at the same time I feel we have to respect OP’s right to say how they feel about sprint too. I do personally feel this thread has been unnaturally kept alive and propelled by some of the anti-sprinters who came after OP, but at least the monitors helped re-shape this into a neutral topic.
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> > > > > > Yeah, it was dead for a week or 2, and then SOMEONE had to revive it. I am glad the title is more neutral now though.
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> > > > > > I did just reread the OP’s post though and it makes NO sense. No sprint in campaign!? That is the one place where sprint makes the most sense and is the most useful for EVERYONE involved. If I had a dime for every time I wished I had sprint on the Ark, the Covenant, Halo, the Library, and ESPECIALLY Mombasa streets, (I think you get the point) I’d be a rich man.
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> > > > > It was never dead, it just wasn’t pinned, there are quite a few more things going on on this site then just a few pinned threads.
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> > > > It wasn’t even in the 1st page of topics on the Halo 5 forum…thats pretty dead of you ask me.
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> > > So because someone didn’t post in the topic for 20 minutes, that means it’s dead? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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> > Nope, I had repeatedly checked for a while and it consistently wasn’t in the first page of topics. Not just once or twice. For any other thread that wouldve meant certain death. But for some reason, this one just had to be consitently revived.
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> You realize the zr0fear is one of the key perpetrators that keep this thread going? He probably just lost his phone for a bit or something when this thread fell off the first page. Anti sprinters won’t let this thread die- they want to gain exposure.
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> What they’re doing by perpetually keeping this thread going is attention-seeking. Not in the “look at me, look at me,” and hog the family photo sense, but they want to gain exposure. They know the sprint discussion isn’t a popular one, so they play off a thread that used to have a click bait title and engage in aggressive debates with any people who say anything remotely positive about sprint… That provocative behavior has certainly helped them increase exposure to the otherwise largely ignored issue about sprint. It’s this over inflation of the issue that bothers people IMO.

It’s good when ignored issues are exposed.

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> > Do these people who parrot nonsense like “Halo would die if they removed sprint” and “its become standard in modern FPS” not realise CS:GO the most popular FPS in the world does not have sprint and has largely remained the same gane for years ? Not every game needs to conform to the COD model or “evolve” to be popular or stay that way, that isnt what made Halo the massive franchise its is today and it isnt what will assure its survival for years to come.
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> Cs:go is completely different to halo in every aspect. It would be like comparing Assassin’s creed to Elder Scrolls. Sure, they’re both Rpg’s, but that’s like it and the fact how you get to kill people and collect stuff. Now as far as I know, Cs:go is WAY more tactical as (I think) it’s one life. Also, you wouldn’t expect a swat force to go sprinting around now, would you? But you would expect that in a war simulation where there’s tonnes of places to show off their abilities and out flank their opponents.
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> So to everyone, stop bringing up the fact that Cs:go has no sprint. Halo and Cs:go have next to nothing in common at all apart from how they’re both fps’

Using your logic I could say Halo is nothing like CoD so that means Halo shouldn’t have sprint.

The point remains that sprint isn’t necessary for a shooter to be fun and/or popular. CS:go is just one of a few examples.

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> > > > > > > > > No sprint makes me almost as depressed as not being the author of this topic.
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> > > > > > > > Yeah, I don’t want to see sprint removed either… But at the same time I feel we have to respect OP’s right to say how they feel about sprint too. I do personally feel this thread has been unnaturally kept alive and propelled by some of the anti-sprinters who came after OP, but at least the monitors helped re-shape this into a neutral topic.
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> > > > > > > Yeah, it was dead for a week or 2, and then SOMEONE had to revive it. I am glad the title is more neutral now though.
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> > > > > > > I did just reread the OP’s post though and it makes NO sense. No sprint in campaign!? That is the one place where sprint makes the most sense and is the most useful for EVERYONE involved. If I had a dime for every time I wished I had sprint on the Ark, the Covenant, Halo, the Library, and ESPECIALLY Mombasa streets, (I think you get the point) I’d be a rich man.
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> > > > > > It was never dead, it just wasn’t pinned, there are quite a few more things going on on this site then just a few pinned threads.
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> > > > > It wasn’t even in the 1st page of topics on the Halo 5 forum…thats pretty dead of you ask me.
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> > > > So because someone didn’t post in the topic for 20 minutes, that means it’s dead? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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> > > Nope, I had repeatedly checked for a while and it consistently wasn’t in the first page of topics. Not just once or twice. For any other thread that wouldve meant certain death. But for some reason, this one just had to be consitently revived.
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> > You realize the zr0fear is one of the key perpetrators that keep this thread going? He probably just lost his phone for a bit or something when this thread fell off the first page. Anti sprinters won’t let this thread die- they want to gain exposure.
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> > What they’re doing by perpetually keeping this thread going is attention-seeking. Not in the “look at me, look at me,” and hog the family photo sense, but they want to gain exposure. They know the sprint discussion isn’t a popular one, so they play off a thread that used to have a click bait title and engage in aggressive debates with any people who say anything remotely positive about sprint… That provocative behavior has certainly helped them increase exposure to the otherwise largely ignored issue about sprint. It’s this over inflation of the issue that bothers people IMO.
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> It’s good when ignored issues are exposed.

Not when they challenge what people think they know. It’s a scary thought.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > No sprint makes me almost as depressed as not being the author of this topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I don’t want to see sprint removed either… But at the same time I feel we have to respect OP’s right to say how they feel about sprint too. I do personally feel this thread has been unnaturally kept alive and propelled by some of the anti-sprinters who came after OP, but at least the monitors helped re-shape this into a neutral topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was dead for a week or 2, and then SOMEONE had to revive it. I am glad the title is more neutral now though.
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> > > > > > > > > > I did just reread the OP’s post though and it makes NO sense. No sprint in campaign!? That is the one place where sprint makes the most sense and is the most useful for EVERYONE involved. If I had a dime for every time I wished I had sprint on the Ark, the Covenant, Halo, the Library, and ESPECIALLY Mombasa streets, (I think you get the point) I’d be a rich man.
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> > > > > > > > > It was never dead, it just wasn’t pinned, there are quite a few more things going on on this site then just a few pinned threads.
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> > > > > > > > It wasn’t even in the 1st page of topics on the Halo 5 forum…thats pretty dead of you ask me.
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> > > > > > > So because someone didn’t post in the topic for 20 minutes, that means it’s dead? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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> > > > > > Nope, I had repeatedly checked for a while and it consistently wasn’t in the first page of topics. Not just once or twice. For any other thread that wouldve meant certain death. But for some reason, this one just had to be consitently revived.
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> > > > > You realize the zr0fear is one of the key perpetrators that keep this thread going? He probably just lost his phone for a bit or something when this thread fell off the first page.
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> > > > By that notion, so are you.
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> > > I have occasionally responded and often feel baited back in by provactice comments from people like you. The main thing that I haven’t appreciated has been the exaggerating going on and over inflation of the issue by anti-sprinters- perpetually keeping this thread going has just been a part of the problem IMO.
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> > > You told me twice that “middle grounds satisfy no one,” indicating you’ll never compromise so why would you even try to debate with anyone here about sprint in the first place?
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> > > You tried to use your “OG Moniker status,” or whatever you call your experience on older Halos to completely discount somebody who said they liked sprint… Then just a few posts later you come back to get on me for citing my experience in the game to describe the effect that I personally have seen sprint have- you tried to use it both to mock me for playing that much (when you’re not that far behind me) and to throw it in my face that I shouldn’t cite my experience in the game in this debate right after you did so in an overtly rude fashion.
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> > > Furthermore you can even go back to the very creation of this thread where I urged people NOT to partake in this thread because the title was completely bias (and wrong IMO but thankfully at least the monitors have surprised me by recently fixing the title to make it neutral)… I reminded people that this issue had been beaten to death many times in the past and the same old arguments were coming back up… Arguments that lead to a toxic environment which has once again been broached at multiple points during this threads lifespan. I’ve also not responded for weeks at a time and just hung back and seen anti-sprinters refuse to let this thread go quietly into the night again and again.
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> > > So no, I haven’t perpetuated this thread in the manner that anti-sprinters have done. To add to that, I did just concede that there has been SOME good back and forth discussion going on in here which was honestly more than I expected, to say the least.
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> > > The worst thing I think I’ve seen from you, from zr0fear, from jinxed, and other anti-sprinters that I will call you out on is when you’ve told me and other pro sprinters that our opinions are “worthless,” “useless,” “wrong,” “don’t matter,” etc etc. That’s nonsense and I won’t sit back and let you tell anyone that without stepping in to check you.
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> > What I did do was call YOU on not responding to points I made against sprint and brushed past it by bringing up something else in an effort to say that I have no place in the debate because I used the same moniker you placed on yourself before I even joined the debate.
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> > …All three of these, and variations of these are ways of deflecting argument…
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> You need to really let this go already I never deflected or avoided you. I’ve met your aggressive and provocative arguments head on as you’ve continuously thrown them at me. I never saw your post because you posted it before I came back to this thread so no matter how high and mighty you feel about yourself regarding what you said in general to people in that post- that post isn’t something that everyone else has to go back, dig up, and respond to. You didn’t say it to me anyway so you cannot accuse me of “avoiding,” or “deflecting,” something that you didn’t even say to me in the first place. If anything you’re the one who hasn’t responded to me on multiple points- many of which I actually did say directly to you… Only other difference between us on this is that I understand that this is a forum- I’m not feeling as high and mighty about myself to assume that everything I say must be responded to. I understand you didn’t want to respond to me on several things, particularly when you can’t respond to things relating to compromises because this is something you wholly and self-admitedly refuse to do on this subject.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/the-sprint-discussion-thread/65b90d3b-03bd-48fa-ae0d-5427f4fbe512/posts?page=489#post9778 Not once did you acknowledge this post. And I didn’t respond to other conversations because you backed out of this one.

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> As this thread has reached 10,000 posts, there is no better time to make it clear that this is the official sprint thread where all sprint related discussion shall be directed, and give the title an accompanying face lift.
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> Original OP:
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> > Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> > arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> > Thoughts? :3

Without sprint the campaign takes 3x longer it’s like halo without master cheif ow wait ring a bell halo 5 only 2 missions to play as cheif and why call it halo any more there was no halo rings the past 2 games and halo reach was understandable why they didn’t have any in that game

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> > > Do these people who parrot nonsense like “Halo would die if they removed sprint” and “its become standard in modern FPS” not realise CS:GO the most popular FPS in the world does not have sprint and has largely remained the same gane for years ? Not every game needs to conform to the COD model or “evolve” to be popular or stay that way, that isnt what made Halo the massive franchise its is today and it isnt what will assure its survival for years to come.
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> > Cs:go is completely different to halo in every aspect. It would be like comparing Assassin’s creed to Elder Scrolls. Sure, they’re both Rpg’s, but that’s like it and the fact how you get to kill people and collect stuff. Now as far as I know, Cs:go is WAY more tactical as (I think) it’s one life. Also, you wouldn’t expect a swat force to go sprinting around now, would you? But you would expect that in a war simulation where there’s tonnes of places to show off their abilities and out flank their opponents.
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> > So to everyone, stop bringing up the fact that Cs:go has no sprint. Halo and Cs:go have next to nothing in common at all apart from how they’re both fps’
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> Using your logic I could say Halo is nothing like CoD so that means Halo shouldn’t have sprint.
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> The point remains that sprint isn’t necessary for a shooter to be fun and/or popular. CS:go is just one of a few examples.

Yes, halo isn’t anything like CoD but what I’m getting at is that people keep on saying “Cs:go is god like and has no sprint” when they are completely different from each other.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > No sprint makes me almost as depressed as not being the author of this topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I don’t want to see sprint removed either… But at the same time I feel we have to respect OP’s right to say how they feel about sprint too. I do personally feel this thread has been unnaturally kept alive and propelled by some of the anti-sprinters who came after OP, but at least the monitors helped re-shape this into a neutral topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was dead for a week or 2, and then SOMEONE had to revive it. I am glad the title is more neutral now though.
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> > > > > > > > > > I did just reread the OP’s post though and it makes NO sense. No sprint in campaign!? That is the one place where sprint makes the most sense and is the most useful for EVERYONE involved. If I had a dime for every time I wished I had sprint on the Ark, the Covenant, Halo, the Library, and ESPECIALLY Mombasa streets, (I think you get the point) I’d be a rich man.
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> > > > > > > > > It was never dead, it just wasn’t pinned, there are quite a few more things going on on this site then just a few pinned threads.
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> > > > > > > > It wasn’t even in the 1st page of topics on the Halo 5 forum…thats pretty dead of you ask me.
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> > > > > > > So because someone didn’t post in the topic for 20 minutes, that means it’s dead? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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> > > > > > Nope, I had repeatedly checked for a while and it consistently wasn’t in the first page of topics. Not just once or twice. For any other thread that wouldve meant certain death. But for some reason, this one just had to be consitently revived.
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> > > > > It sounds like you don’t understand how the topic list works. It’s ordered based on most recent posts. This topic was always pretty active. Just because it’s not there that doesn’t mean it’s been weeks since people posted, it just mean other topics were posted in more recently. You’re probably thinking of the previous sprint thread which did have times where it went long stretches without being posted in.
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> > > > I full well understand how they work. I know what thread im talking about. With how consistently this was out if the most popular threads, and out of the most recent in the Halo 5 forum, it woukdve spelled death for any other topic
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> > > Being out of the most popular list also doesn’t mean it went weeks without a post. I think you’re definitely thinking of the previous thread, that didn’t happen with this one. Either that or you just don’t understand how the system works.
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> > > I mean, if it happened as much as you said, then it should be easy to find times in this thread where there were no posts for multiple days or over a week. Just show me.
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> > Did I say that it went days without a post? Or weeks? Nope. Does a thread have to be u posted on for a long time to be pretty much dead? Not necessarily. I know what thread im talking about. I know what thread this is. What im saying is that with how consistently it was out of the 1st page of halo 5 most recent posts, and how long I was completely out of the most popular threads, it woukdve died completely if it were any other thread.
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> > Its not that no one was posting. It’s that not many, which is why it was consistently for a couple weeks out of the most recent post on halo 5. Consistently, not constantly, there’s a difference in wording.
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> Ah, I see now. I guess that means this is an important issue if it can withstand the test of time.

Lol. Some people just are really passionate about it. Byw, I haven’t ignored your other response, im just waiting till I get back home to my computer

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sprint is a part of halo its in the lore its everywhere we just now have the option to slow down or speed up

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > No sprint makes me almost as depressed as not being the author of this topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I don’t want to see sprint removed either… But at the same time I feel we have to respect OP’s right to say how they feel about sprint too. I do personally feel this thread has been unnaturally kept alive and propelled by some of the anti-sprinters who came after OP, but at least the monitors helped re-shape this into a neutral topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was dead for a week or 2, and then SOMEONE had to revive it. I am glad the title is more neutral now though.
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> > > > > > > > > > > I did just reread the OP’s post though and it makes NO sense. No sprint in campaign!? That is the one place where sprint makes the most sense and is the most useful for EVERYONE involved. If I had a dime for every time I wished I had sprint on the Ark, the Covenant, Halo, the Library, and ESPECIALLY Mombasa streets, (I think you get the point) I’d be a rich man.
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> > > > > > > > > > It was never dead, it just wasn’t pinned, there are quite a few more things going on on this site then just a few pinned threads.
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> > > > > > > > > It wasn’t even in the 1st page of topics on the Halo 5 forum…thats pretty dead of you ask me.
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> > > > > > > > So because someone didn’t post in the topic for 20 minutes, that means it’s dead? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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> > > > > > > Nope, I had repeatedly checked for a while and it consistently wasn’t in the first page of topics. Not just once or twice. For any other thread that wouldve meant certain death. But for some reason, this one just had to be consitently revived.
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> > > > > > You realize the zr0fear is one of the key perpetrators that keep this thread going? He probably just lost his phone for a bit or something when this thread fell off the first page.
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> > > > > By that notion, so are you.
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> > > >
> > > > I have occasionally responded and often feel baited back in by provactice comments from people like you. The main thing that I haven’t appreciated has been the exaggerating going on and over inflation of the issue by anti-sprinters- perpetually keeping this thread going has just been a part of the problem IMO.
> > > >
> > > > You told me twice that “middle grounds satisfy no one,” indicating you’ll never compromise so why would you even try to debate with anyone here about sprint in the first place?
> > > >
> > > > You tried to use your “OG Moniker status,” or whatever you call your experience on older Halos to completely discount somebody who said they liked sprint… Then just a few posts later you come back to get on me for citing my experience in the game to describe the effect that I personally have seen sprint have- you tried to use it both to mock me for playing that much (when you’re not that far behind me) and to throw it in my face that I shouldn’t cite my experience in the game in this debate right after you did so in an overtly rude fashion.
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore you can even go back to the very creation of this thread where I urged people NOT to partake in this thread because the title was completely bias (and wrong IMO but thankfully at least the monitors have surprised me by recently fixing the title to make it neutral)… I reminded people that this issue had been beaten to death many times in the past and the same old arguments were coming back up… Arguments that lead to a toxic environment which has once again been broached at multiple points during this threads lifespan. I’ve also not responded for weeks at a time and just hung back and seen anti-sprinters refuse to let this thread go quietly into the night again and again.
> > > >
> > > > So no, I haven’t perpetuated this thread in the manner that anti-sprinters have done. To add to that, I did just concede that there has been SOME good back and forth discussion going on in here which was honestly more than I expected, to say the least.
> > > >
> > > > The worst thing I think I’ve seen from you, from zr0fear, from jinxed, and other anti-sprinters that I will call you out on is when you’ve told me and other pro sprinters that our opinions are “worthless,” “useless,” “wrong,” “don’t matter,” etc etc. That’s nonsense and I won’t sit back and let you tell anyone that without stepping in to check you.
> > >
> > >
> > > What I did do was call YOU on not responding to points I made against sprint and brushed past it by bringing up something else in an effort to say that I have no place in the debate because I used the same moniker you placed on yourself before I even joined the debate.
> > >
> > > …All three of these, and variations of these are ways of deflecting argument…
> >
> >
> > You need to really let this go already I never deflected or avoided you. I’ve met your aggressive and provocative arguments head on as you’ve continuously thrown them at me. I never saw your post because you posted it before I came back to this thread so no matter how high and mighty you feel about yourself regarding what you said in general to people in that post- that post isn’t something that everyone else has to go back, dig up, and respond to. You didn’t say it to me anyway so you cannot accuse me of “avoiding,” or “deflecting,” something that you didn’t even say to me in the first place. If anything you’re the one who hasn’t responded to me on multiple points- many of which I actually did say directly to you… Only other difference between us on this is that I understand that this is a forum- I’m not feeling as high and mighty about myself to assume that everything I say must be responded to. I understand you didn’t want to respond to me on several things, particularly when you can’t respond to things relating to compromises because this is something you wholly and self-admitedly refuse to do on this subject.
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> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/the-sprint-discussion-thread/65b90d3b-03bd-48fa-ae0d-5427f4fbe512/posts?page=489#post9778 Not once did you acknowledge this post. And I didn’t respond to other conversations because you backed out of this one.

Omg you really expect someone to respond to your points when you open it up with, “middle ground satisfies no one. There specific enough for you?” That was the second or third time you said that to me, and btw thanks just pasting all that out instead of hyperlinking it.

Smh, you’ve got a lot to learn about trying to legitimately debate with people… Either way I have addressed those things in the past in this thread so I didn’t really need to repeat myself to someone who refuses to compromise on the issue. Not to mention the fact that you had just discounted another person for liking sprint because they weren’t as “OG,” as you. You’re not debating you’re just trying to pull people into heated arguments.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No sprint makes me almost as depressed as not being the author of this topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I don’t want to see sprint removed either… But at the same time I feel we have to respect OP’s right to say how they feel about sprint too. I do personally feel this thread has been unnaturally kept alive and propelled by some of the anti-sprinters who came after OP, but at least the monitors helped re-shape this into a neutral topic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was dead for a week or 2, and then SOMEONE had to revive it. I am glad the title is more neutral now though.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > I did just reread the OP’s post though and it makes NO sense. No sprint in campaign!? That is the one place where sprint makes the most sense and is the most useful for EVERYONE involved. If I had a dime for every time I wished I had sprint on the Ark, the Covenant, Halo, the Library, and ESPECIALLY Mombasa streets, (I think you get the point) I’d be a rich man.
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> > > > > > > > > > > It was never dead, it just wasn’t pinned, there are quite a few more things going on on this site then just a few pinned threads.
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> > > > > > > > > > It wasn’t even in the 1st page of topics on the Halo 5 forum…thats pretty dead of you ask me.
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> > > > > > > > > So because someone didn’t post in the topic for 20 minutes, that means it’s dead? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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> > > > > > > > Nope, I had repeatedly checked for a while and it consistently wasn’t in the first page of topics. Not just once or twice. For any other thread that wouldve meant certain death. But for some reason, this one just had to be consitently revived.
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> > > > > > > You realize the zr0fear is one of the key perpetrators that keep this thread going? He probably just lost his phone for a bit or something when this thread fell off the first page.
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> > > > > > By that notion, so are you.
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> > > > >
> > > > > I have occasionally responded and often feel baited back in by provactice comments from people like you. The main thing that I haven’t appreciated has been the exaggerating going on and over inflation of the issue by anti-sprinters- perpetually keeping this thread going has just been a part of the problem IMO.
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> > > > > You told me twice that “middle grounds satisfy no one,” indicating you’ll never compromise so why would you even try to debate with anyone here about sprint in the first place?
> > > > >
> > > > > You tried to use your “OG Moniker status,” or whatever you call your experience on older Halos to completely discount somebody who said they liked sprint… Then just a few posts later you come back to get on me for citing my experience in the game to describe the effect that I personally have seen sprint have- you tried to use it both to mock me for playing that much (when you’re not that far behind me) and to throw it in my face that I shouldn’t cite my experience in the game in this debate right after you did so in an overtly rude fashion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Furthermore you can even go back to the very creation of this thread where I urged people NOT to partake in this thread because the title was completely bias (and wrong IMO but thankfully at least the monitors have surprised me by recently fixing the title to make it neutral)… I reminded people that this issue had been beaten to death many times in the past and the same old arguments were coming back up… Arguments that lead to a toxic environment which has once again been broached at multiple points during this threads lifespan. I’ve also not responded for weeks at a time and just hung back and seen anti-sprinters refuse to let this thread go quietly into the night again and again.
> > > > >
> > > > > So no, I haven’t perpetuated this thread in the manner that anti-sprinters have done. To add to that, I did just concede that there has been SOME good back and forth discussion going on in here which was honestly more than I expected, to say the least.
> > > > >
> > > > > The worst thing I think I’ve seen from you, from zr0fear, from jinxed, and other anti-sprinters that I will call you out on is when you’ve told me and other pro sprinters that our opinions are “worthless,” “useless,” “wrong,” “don’t matter,” etc etc. That’s nonsense and I won’t sit back and let you tell anyone that without stepping in to check you.
> > > >
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> > > > What I did do was call YOU on not responding to points I made against sprint and brushed past it by bringing up something else in an effort to say that I have no place in the debate because I used the same moniker you placed on yourself before I even joined the debate.
> > > >
> > > > …All three of these, and variations of these are ways of deflecting argument…
> > >
> > >
> > > You need to really let this go already I never deflected or avoided you. I’ve met your aggressive and provocative arguments head on as you’ve continuously thrown them at me. I never saw your post because you posted it before I came back to this thread so no matter how high and mighty you feel about yourself regarding what you said in general to people in that post- that post isn’t something that everyone else has to go back, dig up, and respond to. You didn’t say it to me anyway so you cannot accuse me of “avoiding,” or “deflecting,” something that you didn’t even say to me in the first place. If anything you’re the one who hasn’t responded to me on multiple points- many of which I actually did say directly to you… Only other difference between us on this is that I understand that this is a forum- I’m not feeling as high and mighty about myself to assume that everything I say must be responded to. I understand you didn’t want to respond to me on several things, particularly when you can’t respond to things relating to compromises because this is something you wholly and self-admitedly refuse to do on this subject.
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> > https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/the-sprint-discussion-thread/65b90d3b-03bd-48fa-ae0d-5427f4fbe512/posts?page=489#post9778 Not once did you acknowledge this post. And I didn’t respond to other conversations because you backed out of this one.
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> Omg you really expect someone to respond to your points when you open it up with, “middle ground satisfies no one. There specific enough for you?” That was the second or third time you said that to me, and btw thanks for hyperlinking that- real nice play there just pasting all that out.
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> Smh you’ve got a lot to learn about trying to legitimately debate with people… Either way I’ve addressed those things in the past in this thread so I didn’t really need to repeat myself to someone who refuses to compromise on the issue. Someone who had just discounted another user who said they like sprint because they weren’t as “OG,” as you.

Sprint hurts Halo gameplay, this is indisputable.

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Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option

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> > > > Do these people who parrot nonsense like “Halo would die if they removed sprint” and “its become standard in modern FPS” not realise CS:GO the most popular FPS in the world does not have sprint and has largely remained the same gane for years ? Not every game needs to conform to the COD model or “evolve” to be popular or stay that way, that isnt what made Halo the massive franchise its is today and it isnt what will assure its survival for years to come.
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> > > Cs:go is completely different to halo in every aspect. It would be like comparing Assassin’s creed to Elder Scrolls. Sure, they’re both Rpg’s, but that’s like it and the fact how you get to kill people and collect stuff. Now as far as I know, Cs:go is WAY more tactical as (I think) it’s one life. Also, you wouldn’t expect a swat force to go sprinting around now, would you? But you would expect that in a war simulation where there’s tonnes of places to show off their abilities and out flank their opponents.
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> > > So to everyone, stop bringing up the fact that Cs:go has no sprint. Halo and Cs:go have next to nothing in common at all apart from how they’re both fps’
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> > Using your logic I could say Halo is nothing like CoD so that means Halo shouldn’t have sprint.
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> > The point remains that sprint isn’t necessary for a shooter to be fun and/or popular. CS:go is just one of a few examples.
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> Yes, halo isn’t anything like CoD but what I’m getting at is that people keep on saying “Cs:go is god like and has no sprint” when they are completely different from each other.

The point they are making is that sprint isn’t necessary for what people claim it’s necessary for. We are never the ones that say out of nowhere, “[insert game] doesn’t have sprint and people love it”. It’s always in response to people making ignorant claims that sprint is somehow necessary for shooters today.

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That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.

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Of course it is an option.
Sprint is only a mechanic that’s subject to any decision the developers make of it.
Just like:
-Custom global loadouts
-Bloom
-Armor Abilities
-Dual Wielding
-Grenade Indicators
-Flinch
-Personal Ordnance

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> Sprint is an evolution in any game, remove it is not an option

Then why did shooters ditch it after (or was it in?) the 90’s? Are you too young to know a world without sprint in shooters?

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> That’s a good question- my theory is that most of the anti sprinters think they’d play better without sprint so they want it removed to cater to their play style so they can chase people easier.

500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
What a mystery.

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> 500 pages in, over 10 000 posts, and you have a theory about it, when there are posts about why it’s disliked, and have been since its inclusion in Reach.
> What a mystery.

Sin can’t wrap his head around how a poll with more than two answers works. You shouldn’t expect him to be able to understand in depth explanations of sprints effects on the game.

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> > As this thread has reached 10,000 posts, there is no better time to make it clear that this is the official sprint thread where all sprint related discussion shall be directed, and give the title an accompanying face lift.
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> > Original OP:
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> > > Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> > > arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> > > Thoughts? :3
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> Remove sprint the game was better off without it same with armor abilites. All they did was tarnished the gameplay and 343 had to take so much time to try to balance them out. Well first off waste of time that could be spent doing other stuff and second off if it has to be adjusted so much to “work” then don’t even bother putting it in its not worth it just to be like cod. Why don’t we follow in CS:GO footsteps ( the most competitive FPS out) instead of cod the non competitive fps that people think is competitive.

Here’s the thing, it’s not that Halo 1-3 was only competitive It was FUN too!

The majority think Reach wasn’t competitive ( minus near the end where some Pro players like ogre2, help create a competitive MLG playlist) Halo 4 wasn’t anywhere near competitive. Both games you can argue were sorta… kinda fun though…I guess lol

Majority think Halo 5 is pretty competitive, some would say too much and you could argue is sort of fun.

The majority of people feel Halo 1-3 we both fun and competitive (I’m in agreement here)

Again this is what the majority think on all of the Halo games. It’s not right or wrong. You can think whatever you want.

I’m glad 343i made Halo 5 more competitive, as I feel a competitive game leads too fun… butt you have to have that balance and many people feel Halo 5 doesn’t have. Is this just because of Sprint? No, oh course not but one could argue it contributes to it. To this day the majority of people feel Halo 3 was the most competitive and fun Halo out of all them and it didn’t have Sprint. Is that a coincidence?.. again, one could definitely argue it’s not.

Halo 6 needs to be competitive, it’s a MUST!! but it also needs to be FUN!! for people who maybe aren’t as competitive nor care to be. Again, Halo 3 seemed to of done this the best with clear social and ranked modes and Forge which at the time you could say was almost revolutionary that you could do stuff like this on consoles.

Should the Sprint animation be in Halo 6? Personally I don’t think it NEEDS to be no. There is ZERO proof out there that says a Halo game without Sprint would sell poorly, people wouldn’t like it and so forth. Just wanted to reintegrate that there is ZERO proof of that and that is a fact.

Again, what Halo 6 needs to be is competitive and fun (and to sell well of course lol) if that involves a Sprint animation fine, if it doesn’t fine. That is what people should care about the most.

Off-topic slightly but I do feel is relevant , I feel like ADS style zooming hurts Halo more in a way then if Sprint is in or isn’t. Halo old zoom look made it pretty unique to Halo. The look, feel, everything. Where Sprint isn’t unique at all. In a way, taking away anything that makes a game stand out is worse then adding something that makes it feel generic.

Honesty, right now if I HAD to get rid of 1 thing from the HALO Series as it stands today (so how Halo 5 is) it would be the ADS style animation and the buffs that come with it. Second would be sprint for me.

If I could add one thing it would be interactive environments like how H2A MP maps had.

I’m not a sprint hater, but it’s really hard to argue that the Sprint animation needs to be in Halo. Until MS make a GOOD Halo game similar to Halo 1-3, there is no evidence that says it wouldn’t do extremely well. I’m willing to bet most if not all the PRO Sprint players out there would still buy it.