The sprint discussion thread

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> > > > you must leave because they put him and remove haria that many people also get angry in many cinematics Master Chief ran and not do in the game he felt weird: /
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Locke must leave cause he brought sprint with him and removed the marines. The cinematics made ppl angry and scared Master Chief away. /s

Waypoint needs an update.

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> > > > > you must leave because they put him and remove haria that many people also get angry in many cinematics Master Chief ran and not do in the game he felt weird: /
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Aaahhh. Sentiments shared.

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> > > > > > you must leave because they put him and remove haria that many people also get angry in many cinematics Master Chief ran and not do in the game he felt weird: /
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> Aaahhh. Sentiments shared.

If I remember correctly, you can only post in English on Waypoint. Doesn’t help much. Some forums let you select a language. Correct me if I am wrong though.

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> > > > > > > you must leave because they put him and remove haria that many people also get angry in many cinematics Master Chief ran and not do in the game he felt weird: /
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> > > Locke must leave cause he brought sprint with him and removed the marines. The cinematics made ppl angry and scared Master Chief away. /s
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> > > Waypoint needs an update.
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> > Aaahhh. Sentiments shared.
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> If I remember correctly, you can only post in English on Waypoint. Doesn’t help much. Some forums let you select a language. Correct me if I am wrong though.

Oh. Nah, you can post in different languages, as long as you can type the characters. I have seen an all spanish post a while ago. Seriously random but exists.

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> > > > > > > > you must leave because they put him and remove haria that many people also get angry in many cinematics Master Chief ran and not do in the game he felt weird: /
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> > > > > Honestly this is some real word salad if I do say so myself. Tasty!
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> > > > Locke must leave cause he brought sprint with him and removed the marines. The cinematics made ppl angry and scared Master Chief away. /s
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> > > > Waypoint needs an update.
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> > > Aaahhh. Sentiments shared.
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> Oh. Nah, you can post in different languages, as long as you can type the characters. I have seen an all spanish post a while ago. Seriously random but exists.

I hope this was in jest, but in case it wasn’t, and as a general remainder, you’re only allowed to post in English.

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> > > > > > > > > you must leave because they put him and remove haria that many people also get angry in many cinematics Master Chief ran and not do in the game he felt weird: /
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> > > > > Locke must leave cause he brought sprint with him and removed the marines. The cinematics made ppl angry and scared Master Chief away. /s
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> > > > > Waypoint needs an update.
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> > > > Aaahhh. Sentiments shared.
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> > Oh. Nah, you can post in different languages, as long as you can type the characters. I have seen an all spanish post a while ago. Seriously random but exists.
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> I hope this was in jest, but in case it wasn’t, and as a general remainder, you’re only allowed to post in English.

Oh, no jest. I saw that post. Sorry, is too late for me to direct you to it (going to bed soon) but I remember it being on my thread of “How will you purchase halo 6?”.

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> > > > > Just hypothetical thought here but what if HCE was the first Halo on XBL and the pistol wasn’t OP, so that the roll of precision weapons never became so dominating, and then they introduced sprint. Would it of seen the same backlash we are still dealing with here.
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> > > > > I think sprint in H5G is well tuned risk vs reward, I just like charging in with a automatic sometimes and you can have a little sucess doing it unlike previous Halos.
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> > > > I don’t think that CE would have been as popular had it had sprint. However if H2/H3 had had sprint, then there would be very little backlash.
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> > > > I don’t think that the precision weapons were OP outside of H2.
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> > > There’s a reason sprint was cut from H2, and why it didn’t appear in H3.
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> > > Bungie didn’t even want it, they said it impacted pacing.
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> > Yeah, can we really trust Bungie’s judgement after Destiny, H3’s BR spread, rank caps to encourage “community goals”, the removal of visible skill rankings, and the addition of armor lock, jetpacks, and bloom in Reach?
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Halo 4 kinda sucked, MCC wasn’t done by 343, and Halo 5 is pretty great

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> > > > > > Just hypothetical thought here but what if HCE was the first Halo on XBL and the pistol wasn’t OP, so that the roll of precision weapons never became so dominating, and then they introduced sprint. Would it of seen the same backlash we are still dealing with here.
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> > > > > > I think sprint in H5G is well tuned risk vs reward, I just like charging in with a automatic sometimes and you can have a little sucess doing it unlike previous Halos.
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> > > > > I don’t think that CE would have been as popular had it had sprint. However if H2/H3 had had sprint, then there would be very little backlash.
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> > > > > I don’t think that the precision weapons were OP outside of H2.
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> > > > There’s a reason sprint was cut from H2, and why it didn’t appear in H3.
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> > > > Bungie didn’t even want it, they said it impacted pacing.
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> > > Yeah, can we really trust Bungie’s judgement after Destiny, H3’s BR spread, rank caps to encourage “community goals”, the removal of visible skill rankings, and the addition of armor lock, jetpacks, and bloom in Reach?
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How many of those working on the earlier Halos were present, or in a leading position for Halo: Reach and / or the latet Destiny?

Bungie is only the name of the company, the employees are the ones doing the developing.

Change somw heads in i343 and you’ll end up with a different Halo than what we have now, I’m certain.

Elesp, Justima and Naqser

The old trilogy and reach has it’s soul because of one guy(Marty O’Donnell) who was overwatching the entire production artistic wise, he was the head sound engineer and he was responsable for all the sound effects and he had a creative veto over everything also he composed the main themes and he also made sure that the music was perfectly fitting on each part of the game, also he was the director of all the countles dialogues(which came from fine actors, lot of bucks went down the drain but that was a golden drain, technically that createed the unbeatable Halo atmosphere) in the games which always included some sort of Hollywood humours.“I love when we winning!” I can see your feet!" :slight_smile: and 1000’s more funny lines.
What happened when 343 took over? They put a less creative musician and some less talented sound artist, and than put less money down the drain, I believe because they never understand the real Halo atmosphere, and they don’t share the same Love and Enthusiasm what Bungie’s developers and Marty O’Donnell had. They just have a deadline and they want to game to be popular,
They think “lets copy and paste all the others shooter on the markets which sells and act like a pro. Ok we don’t have to bother the old base we just need the new cod and bf crowd to come over for a few months.”
That the crow what buys the games bet sellls them after they finish it, and thats why the MP loosing population too quick.
About Halo 4 kinda sucked by Elesp.
Well after the failure of H5 being an acurate and genuine Halo, what the True Halo players can do is to go back to an earlier instalment. H4 still shares some values from the traditional Halo’s. Its still a good game a modern shooter, better multiplayer maps and more balanced.
Halo 4 is like Scarface in movies, when it come out they criticised it but still 1000’s of people playing it and few years after became a classic becouse they didn’t make any better since.

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> > > > > > Just hypothetical thought here but what if HCE was the first Halo on XBL and the pistol wasn’t OP, so that the roll of precision weapons never became so dominating, and then they introduced sprint. Would it of seen the same backlash we are still dealing with here.
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> > > > > I don’t think that CE would have been as popular had it had sprint. However if H2/H3 had had sprint, then there would be very little backlash.
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> > > > > I don’t think that the precision weapons were OP outside of H2.
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Halo 5 is pretty great is your opinion. Just like you are not trying to trust Bungie anymore, I and other people don’t trust 343. Our opinion is Halo 5 is pretty bad.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should be a loadlout like Halo Reach had so those who don’t want it, don’t have to use it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or one could simply not use sprint. Just because its an option doesn’t mean it MUST be used
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean that any issue I have with sprint goes away even though others are sprinting?
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> > > > > > > > > > > You’re telling me that sprinting is an option and I don’t have to use it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > So how does it exactly help if I stop sprinting?
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> > > > > > > > > > If you’ve played Halo since CE or even Halo 3, you know how to play without Sprint so apply it to playing Halo 5
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> > > > > > > > > So, my issues, whatever they may be, are solved, if I stop sprinting?
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> > > > > > > > > The time it takes to reach a location is the same as if I was sprinting?
> > > > > > > > > I can still pursue a sprinting player as efficiently?
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> > > > > > > > Oh so now you decide to list your issues? Kthnx
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> > > > > > > > Reaching a location isn’t a big deal, a good player can work with high ground or low ground.
> > > > > > > > A sprinting player will eventually come back anyway so why chase? You never chase.
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> > > > > > > Reaching a location is a huge deal, especially at a higher level, something you don’t play in as it looks you only play WZ.
> > > > > > > The first part makes no sense. Chasing is more of an issue with sprint because if someone runs, and it happens a lot, if you choose to clean up you wont be able to shot immediately.
> > > > > > > Good job dodging the question.
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> > > > > > > Hm, maybe if you don’t like rockets don’t pick it up? Oh, I know, don’t like OS? Don’t use it! That totally fixes the mechanic!
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> > > > > > It all depends on how a player thinks when it comes to playing a game. Higher level has nothing to do with it. I play a good mix of Arena and WZ, still rarely sprint and it makes no difference for me. Sprinting (to me) is good for nothing but rushing power weapons and chasing. I’m not dodging questions, just pointing things out.
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> > > > > > I don’t pick up power weapons very often because either A) Players get angry usually betray or horde them and B) Everyone always aims to pick it up so Ill be the one guy watching from afar picking off players fighting/waiting for the power weapons. Same goes for the OS.
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> > > > > > Again, just because its in the game doesn’t mean you have to use it. Halo Reach had loadouts for players to pick but I still rarely used them. Doesn’t change my gameplay experience but I’ve also been playing since CE so I know how to play Halo without all the armor abilities and sprint. My opinion is that 90%+ of the players fight to keep sprint in Halo because they have little to no experience playing Halo without all the abilities.
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> > > > > Sprinting is used to stop pushes, block spawns, push, close in, run the flag, get to the SH, stop the flag, etc.
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> > > > > You cannot do these things efficiently at a high level without sprint in Halo 5. The maps are made for sprint.
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> > > > > That doesn’t remove the effects from the game. Choosing not to sprint affects many, many different things in a game.
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> > > > > The reality is, and I don’t want to sound harsh, but high level play is like a completely different game when it comes to how people play. Being aggressive is a huge part of it, and being forced to sprint to move around restricts the player. Choosing not to sprint affects the team.
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> > > > Can you imagine how all the “older players” played Halo CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3 when they stopped pushes, blocked spawns, pushed, closed in, juggled the flag (you could never run the flag), got to the SH, stopped the flag, and all that other stuff? Players can very well still do all that as long as they act as team while doing so.
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> > > > You’re not sounding harsh but players can still be extremely aggressive while playing at a high level/professional level. If the player is a seasoned veteran as in has been around since Halo CE, Halo 2, and/or Halo 3, they can still play pretty darn well without Sprint. If you’re talking about a newer generation player (Halo 4 or Halo 5) then yes, choosing not to sprint would make the player go nuts. More than likely quit within 60 seconds rather than not being able to sprint
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> > > Being a veteran has nothing to do with skill, or the ability to deal with no sprint. I’m saying not sprinting in halo 5 puts you at a disadvantage. Plain and simple. That wasn’t a problem in CE-3 as the maps were built for a single BMW, not sprint speed.
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> > > You cannot play at a high level without being forced to sprint in halo 5. Fact. If you do, you hurt the team. I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
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> > It does has a factor with skill and no sprint. Halo CE came out in 2001 and Halo Reach came out in 2010, that nine years worth of playing Halo with no sprint. That gives veterans who stuck with Halo from the start, a nine year advantage to learn all the tricks, how to’s, and don’ts of playing Halo without sprint or any armor abilities. That’s pretty significant but doesn’t show because most of those players don’t play anymore.
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> > It’s not fact either. It’s all 100% based on the player. I placed in the Onyx rankings in several playlists when Halo 5 came out and hardly ever used Sprint. I don’t compete in Arena now because I don’t have the same team I played with all the time and because it’s not worth the energy. You can play at a high level if you and your team are experienced enough to do so. 95% of the time you’re not going to find players like that because the players who grew up with the older Halo’s don’t play anymore.
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> > I’m not misunderstanding but you need to be open to the idea. Even better, you should play someone who doesn’t use sprint and see how you fair
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> The gameplay is different. The weapons are different. The aiming is different. Being a veteran wont give you skill in this game, and it shouldn’t to begin with.
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> I can pull out many players on this very website who’ve played Halo longer than I have, and are Bronze-Plat players.
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> The preseason means nothing. They redid how the ranking works from then, as everyone was getting Onyx.
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> You seriously can’t play efficiently. Speed is a HUGE part for H5’s meta. Not being to efficiently move around puts you at a severe disadvantage.
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> The meta is different. If you think that if you’re a veteran that must mean you’re good, you’re wrong.

He does make sense but you just can’t open your mind enough to see that.

I never said that because I’m a veteran I’m good. I’m good because I’ve played hundreds and hundreds of hours since CE was released. I’ve had tremendously more experience playing Halo without all the perks we have now (spartan abilities and sprint) so I know how to play without relying on them. I’m not saying I’m this Godly player or that I’m a pro, I’m simply saying that I am a rare case who can still play pretty well without having to use sprint.

A player can play efficiently without sprint but it is all dependent on a players fighting style. ITS NOT FOR EVERYONE! I simply meant that a player who has been around before armor abilities and sprint, has some knowledge as to how to play without relying on sprint. 90%+ of the players in the Halo community today are from the newer generation. Halo without sprint is a foreign concept to them. I’m not wrong but I’m also saying that its not something every single player can do. It’d be extremely difficult to find a player who can still compete at a high level without using sprint by choice but there are players who can.

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> A player can play efficiently without sprint but it is all dependent on a players fighting style. ITS NOT FOR EVERYONE! I simply meant that a player who has been around before armor abilities and sprint, has some knowledge as to how to play without relying on sprint. 90%+ of the players in the Halo community today are from the newer generation. Halo without sprint is a foreign concept to them. I’m not wrong but I’m also saying that its not something every single player can do. It’d be extremely difficult to find a player who can still compete at a high level without using sprint by choice but there are players who can.

ignoring sprint might not make you suck instantly but if you don’t use sprint or the other movements abbilites there is no way you can play “efficiently”, it’s simply not possible…it’s like saying “Hey I can drive 100km as fast as possible efficiently by only using the cars first gear”…it’s true, you will arrive at you destination at some point but pretending it was “efficiently” is a bit of a stretch…
And after taking a quick looking at you stats, I really don’t think you’re playing Arena often or at a high level…doing good without sprint/SA’s in WZ or BtB is much easier then it is in 4v4 on maps that have been designed around sprint and against people who are giving ther best to win…

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> > A player can play efficiently without sprint but it is all dependent on a players fighting style. ITS NOT FOR EVERYONE! I simply meant that a player who has been around before armor abilities and sprint, has some knowledge as to how to play without relying on sprint. 90%+ of the players in the Halo community today are from the newer generation. Halo without sprint is a foreign concept to them. I’m not wrong but I’m also saying that its not something every single player can do. It’d be extremely difficult to find a player who can still compete at a high level without using sprint by choice but there are players who can.
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> And after taking a quick looking at you stats, I really don’t think you’re playing Arena often or at a high level…doing good without sprint/SA’s in WZ or BtB is much easier then it is in 4v4 on maps that have been designed around sprint and against people who are giving ther best to win…

You can play efficiently as long as you play smart. Not every game is a rush to control power weapons and force spawning. Again, every player is different and a majority of players aren’t going to do well if they try playing without sprint because that’s all they know. Most of the players in Halo 5 are newer generation so they have nothing or next to nothing in the way of experience of playing Halo without sprint and armor abilities.

I don’t play Arena much because its not fun for me. I enjoy playing BTB, Action Sack, and Warzone. Arena is a cut throat competitive place to play that I no longer have the patience to play. If I have my team that I’ve played with for the last 14 years then sure, we’ll go try playing Arena but otherwise, I stay away. I’m not that competitive anymore.

You can’t judge a player by his stats either. You’re looking at Halo 5 stats, try looking further back. My Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Reach, even Halo 4 stats. I can play at a high level when I choice too and when I have teammates I can rely on. Don’t stoop down and make this personal. This is just a discussion

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> > > > > People are always reluctant when it comes to change. People either like sprint or don’t. It’s here and you either accept it and learn to adapt or you don’t. Figure it out.
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> > > > > It has its place in the game, it can be rather gratifying when you do a sprint/boost/slide/jump and blast your opponent with the shotty.
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> > > > > Also, in CTF, if you time your sprint/flag grab/boost/throw you can really move the flag in a hurry.
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> > > > > There are plenty more examples of utilizing the feature. Like I said it has it’s place in the game. The real key is balance and understanding the differences when to use it and when not to use it.
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> > > > This guy, he gets it.
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> > > Agree with this 1000%
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> > This is one of the best posts I’ve seen in this massive thread.
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> Non of the anti-sprinters will respond to it.

Typical lmao

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> > > > > People are always reluctant when it comes to change. People either like sprint or don’t. It’s here and you either accept it and learn to adapt or you don’t. Figure it out.
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> > > > > It has its place in the game, it can be rather gratifying when you do a sprint/boost/slide/jump and blast your opponent with the shotty.
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> > > > > Also, in CTF, if you time your sprint/flag grab/boost/throw you can really move the flag in a hurry.
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> > > > > There are plenty more examples of utilizing the feature. Like I said it has it’s place in the game. The real key is balance and understanding the differences when to use it and when not to use it.
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> > > > This guy, he gets it.
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> > > Agree with this 1000%
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> Why, because it taught you something? I’ll dig up two other posts at some point that are much better, IMO.

Ok lol

THERE WAS S NO ANTISPRINTERS HERE!
We just writing in this topic to talk about the negative flaws of Halo 5, and because this topic is one of the fattest topic on halo waypoint we may hope a dev guy or decision maker look into it! There is no problem with sprinting the only problems is that its unlimited and low ttk, its not the halo what in reach or 4 and before someone throw poo on the old halos to protect 5 I tell them, there are more people play reach and 4 than h5.

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Make Halo great again and keep sprint

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> > > > > > People are always reluctant when it comes to change. People either like sprint or don’t. It’s here and you either accept it and learn to adapt or you don’t. Figure it out.
> > > > > > It has its place in the game, it can be rather gratifying when you do a sprint/boost/slide/jump and blast your opponent with the shotty.
> > > > > > Also, in CTF, if you time your sprint/flag grab/boost/throw you can really move the flag in a hurry.
> > > > > > There are plenty more examples of utilizing the feature. Like I said it has it’s place in the game. The real key is balance and understanding the differences when to use it and when not to use it.
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> > > > > This guy, he gets it.
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> > > > Agree with this 1000%
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I have yet to reply to one, and the other will be getting a second bump, because I think that it’s just that good.

Slide-jumps
Evade_

I also went through the Look Before You Leap series and picked out a bunch of clips that demonstrate the real depth of Halo 3’s movement system. I could find (EDIT: found) that too, if you like.

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> You can play efficiently as long as you play smart. Not every game is a rush to control power weapons and force spawning.

Are you talking about camping or what is this infamous playstyle that is not reliant on map movement, power weapons or spawn controll? Please enlighten me (I know that might sound sacastic but I’m actually curious)

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> Again, every player is different and a majority of players aren’t going to do well if they try playing without sprint because that’s all they know. Most of the players in Halo 5 are newer generation so they have nothing or next to nothing in the way of experience of playing Halo without sprint and armor abilities.

I’d agree that at this point, most players are probably part of generation CoD but just because one grew up with old Halos won’t reduce the impact sprint has on the game and it’s design.
I don’t remember pros like Ogre2 (beeing one of the successful Halo players since CE…) ignoring sprint because that was the way they learned to play the game back then or because he knows how not to sprint…

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> I don’t play Arena much because its not fun for me. I enjoy playing BTB, Action Sack, and Warzone. Arena is a cut throat competitive place to play that I no longer have the patience to play. If I have my team that I’ve played with for the last 14 years then sure, we’ll go try playing Arena but otherwise, I stay away. I’m not that competitive anymore.

And there is nothing wrong with that, I’m not overly competitive either and I’ve never been (never had that much time for gaming) but I enjoy the “competitive way” of playing Halo (-> 2v2/4v4, utility weapon, …) but since you’re a BtB/WZ/just–Yoink–around-gametaype guy (by now), beeing able to do good without sprint in those modes isn’t really saying much here since you’re playing those modes, that don’t suffer as much from sprint as 2v2/4v4 (comp. or “social”)
I wouldn’t even mind having sprint in those modes as a compromise between “old-school vs. post-Reach”

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> You can’t judge a player by his stats either. You’re looking at Halo 5 stats, try looking further back. My Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Reach, even Halo 4 stats. I can play at a high level when I choice too and when I have teammates I can rely on. Don’t stoop down and make this personal. This is just a discussion

relax a little, I’ve never made it personal nor did I try to judge you…all I did was try to get a better picture of you and you “preferences” , beeing in a discussion makes it even more important to have a good picture of the person “in front of you” so you can understand their arguments better.
And once again, I do think that you can do rather good without sprint, I myself did try to avoid it as well when I was still playing the game, but if you’re up against a equally good and equally coordinated team, playing H5 they way 343 designed it to be played, you will run into problems. That is not what I would call “efficiently” but maybe my translation for “efficiently” is just off…