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> > So, based on this thread, I’m supposed to believe that one mechanic is entirely at fault for the feel of this game and as to why its population is so low. I guess it wasn’t the lack of forge at launch? I guess it wasn’t the lack of popular game modes at launch? It definitely wasn’t the lack of a social playlist. I most certainly wasn’t the lackluster campaign. It absolutely wasn’t the lack of map verity and the glossy art style that accompanied it. Nope, the reason Halo 5 didn’t feel like Halo was definitely due to sprint.
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> > You know what though, I’m willing to bet that if Halo 3 had sprint the game would have played the same. The maps sizes are just fine and don’t NEED to be elongated to accompany a mechanic like sprint. That has got to be one of the worst arguements aganist sprint out there right now. The sole reason for maps to be that size nowadays is to make them feel bigger, that’s it.
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> Here’s what you need to add.
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> H2 and H3 were only popular because they didn’t have sprint. It wasn’t because H2 literally had no completion when it came out, (look at my service record. I was around back then. I was around and played a lot of H2), and a whole group of people certainly never started a web site dedicated to saying how terrible H2 was and how it was an obomination of HCE. H3 wasn’t popular because it ride the coat tails of H2 and carried over its fan base. I highly doubt either of the 2 were popular because of their campaigns. Honestly, who even plays the campaign of a video game…PPFFTT!
H2 was an abomination of CE Goddammit!
An abomination I grew to enjoy 
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> > > So, based on this thread, I’m supposed to believe that one mechanic is entirely at fault for the feel of this game and as to why its population is so low. I guess it wasn’t the lack of forge at launch? I guess it wasn’t the lack of popular game modes at launch? It definitely wasn’t the lack of a social playlist. I most certainly wasn’t the lackluster campaign. It absolutely wasn’t the lack of map verity and the glossy art style that accompanied it. Nope, the reason Halo 5 didn’t feel like Halo was definitely due to sprint.
> > >
> > > You know what though, I’m willing to bet that if Halo 3 had sprint the game would have played the same. The maps sizes are just fine and don’t NEED to be elongated to accompany a mechanic like sprint. That has got to be one of the worst arguements aganist sprint out there right now. The sole reason for maps to be that size nowadays is to make them feel bigger, that’s it.
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> > Here’s what you need to add.
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> > H2 and H3 were only popular because they didn’t have sprint. It wasn’t because H2 literally had no completion when it came out, (look at my service record. I was around back then. I was around and played a lot of H2), and a whole group of people certainly never started a web site dedicated to saying how terrible H2 was and how it was an obomination of HCE. H3 wasn’t popular because it rode the coat tails of H2 and carried over its fan base. H3 wasn’t popular because it’s competition still hadn’t got a solid foothold. I highly doubt either of the 2 were popular because of their campaigns. Honestly, who even plays the campaign of a video game…PPFFTT!
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> Cant tell if youre serious or not.
Haha.
Sarcasm.
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> > > > Why is this thread getting so much popular? its just Sprint there might be some gameplay changes but they don’t really change Halo.
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> > > Thank you, I really can’t fathom why this topic has been such a hot ussue, but I do understand where some people are coming from. I feel the anti sprinters may be stuck in the past, though.
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> > Of course they’re stuck in the past. Their responses and arguments are dripping with nostalgia.
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> How do you figure? I don’t personally have an issue with any of the Spartan Abilities other than sprint. The others work pretty well. This is not even about H5 vs older Halo games. It’s about me playing H5 and then me playing newer games like Overwatch and Doom and h5 feeling slow and archaic. In those games you can move sideways, diagonally, backwards and forwards quickly. In h5 you’re a tank unless you sprint and then you can only move forwards and you can not longer shoot. Get rid of sprint and open up movement. Sprint is holding the franchise back in the past.
You probably shouldn’t waste time on Dabears. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him make pro-sprint argument. He just comes in and whines about people with different opinions. I seem to recall him even saying at one point that he loves sprint and just doesn’t care bout any negative effects people say it has, so he’s not open to an actual debate.
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> > > > So, based on this thread, I’m supposed to believe that one mechanic is entirely at fault for the feel of this game and as to why its population is so low. I guess it wasn’t the lack of forge at launch? I guess it wasn’t the lack of popular game modes at launch? It definitely wasn’t the lack of a social playlist. I most certainly wasn’t the lackluster campaign. It absolutely wasn’t the lack of map verity and the glossy art style that accompanied it. Nope, the reason Halo 5 didn’t feel like Halo was definitely due to sprint.
> > > >
> > > > You know what though, I’m willing to bet that if Halo 3 had sprint the game would have played the same. The maps sizes are just fine and don’t NEED to be elongated to accompany a mechanic like sprint. That has got to be one of the worst arguements aganist sprint out there right now. The sole reason for maps to be that size nowadays is to make them feel bigger, that’s it.
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> > >
> > > Here’s what you need to add.
> > >
> > > H2 and H3 were only popular because they didn’t have sprint. It wasn’t because H2 literally had no completion when it came out, (look at my service record. I was around back then. I was around and played a lot of H2), and a whole group of people certainly never started a web site dedicated to saying how terrible H2 was and how it was an obomination of HCE. H3 wasn’t popular because it rode the coat tails of H2 and carried over its fan base. H3 wasn’t popular because it’s competition still hadn’t got a solid foothold. I highly doubt either of the 2 were popular because of their campaigns. Honestly, who even plays the campaign of a video game…PPFFTT!
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> > Cant tell if youre serious or not.
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> Haha.
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> Sarcasm.
Lol. Damn good at it too.
When can people accept that if Halo is to improve, it has to evolve - give it a break and just play the game, if you think a single game mechanic is capable of ruining the entire game, get a grip, all modern fps’ have sprint, its basically expected by the players
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> all modern fps’ have sprint, its basically expected by the players
That’s not true at all.
2 of the top 3 most populated FPS games do not have sprint.
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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> Thoughts? :3
I have to say, I love playing H1-3 campaigns (been doing some MCC achievements) without sprint. I love the pacing of the campaigns, and it also makes things like finding a mongoose valuable too.
In Halo 4, which is a nice campaign, I just find myself sprinting through everything. Way less strategy of mobility and weapon / vehicle selection.
Probably a personal preference, but I like campaign without sprint.
MM I like H4-H5 pacing better now days for BTB, still prefer H1-3 pacing better for 4v4 modes.
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> When can people accept that if Halo is to improve, it has to evolve - give it a break and just play the game, if you think a single game mechanic is capable of ruining the entire game, get a grip, all modern fps’ have sprint, its basically expected by the players
> When something evolves, it develops different traits than the others of it’s kind. That way all of it’s kind can’t be wiped out by a single change, because they’re all different. That’s evolution. It’s even reflected in modern day humans and Neanderthals and how only one of them went extinct. Halo is doing the opposite of evolution. Just like when Modern Warfare was released, it thrived and evolved, not by doing the same as another of it’s kind that was at the top of the food chain (Halo), but by evolving into something different than everything else.
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> Halo is not evolving.
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> > > > > Why is this thread getting so much popular? its just Sprint there might be some gameplay changes but they don’t really change Halo.
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> > > > Thank you, I really can’t fathom why this topic has been such a hot ussue, but I do understand where some people are coming from. I feel the anti sprinters may be stuck in the past, though.
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> > > Of course they’re stuck in the past. Their responses and arguments are dripping with nostalgia.
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> > How do you figure? I don’t personally have an issue with any of the Spartan Abilities other than sprint. The others work pretty well. This is not even about H5 vs older Halo games. It’s about me playing H5 and then me playing newer games like Overwatch and Doom and h5 feeling slow and archaic. In those games you can move sideways, diagonally, backwards and forwards quickly. In h5 you’re a tank unless you sprint and then you can only move forwards and you can not longer shoot. Get rid of sprint and open up movement. Sprint is holding the franchise back in the past.
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> You probably shouldn’t waste time on Dabears. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him make pro-sprint argument. He just comes in and whines about people with different opinions. I seem to recall him even saying at one point that he loves sprint and just doesn’t care bout any negative effects people say it has, so he’s not open to an actual debate.
Not whining about different opinions. I’m expressing my disgust with people who seem to think they’re more enlightened than everyone else and present their opinions as facts. And yes, I did say something along those lines. Because after the 37th sprint thread I got tired of seeing the same opinions of why you all think sprint is this awful game breaking feature.
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343 will still screw it up and if it fails to bring back all the hardcore players that left all you will have is a bunch of pissed off 8 year olds that cant handle a real halo game
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> > > > > > Why is this thread getting so much popular? its just Sprint there might be some gameplay changes but they don’t really change Halo.
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> > > > > Thank you, I really can’t fathom why this topic has been such a hot ussue, but I do understand where some people are coming from. I feel the anti sprinters may be stuck in the past, though.
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> > > > Of course they’re stuck in the past. Their responses and arguments are dripping with nostalgia.
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> > > How do you figure? I don’t personally have an issue with any of the Spartan Abilities other than sprint. The others work pretty well. This is not even about H5 vs older Halo games. It’s about me playing H5 and then me playing newer games like Overwatch and Doom and h5 feeling slow and archaic. In those games you can move sideways, diagonally, backwards and forwards quickly. In h5 you’re a tank unless you sprint and then you can only move forwards and you can not longer shoot. Get rid of sprint and open up movement. Sprint is holding the franchise back in the past.
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> > You probably shouldn’t waste time on Dabears. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him make pro-sprint argument. He just comes in and whines about people with different opinions. I seem to recall him even saying at one point that he loves sprint and just doesn’t care bout any negative effects people say it has, so he’s not open to an actual debate.
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> Not whining about different opinions. I’m expressing my disgust with people who seem to think they’re more enlightened than everyone else and present their opinions as facts. And yes, I did say something along those lines. Because after the 37th sprint thread I got tired of seeing the same opinions of why you all think sprint is this awful game breaking feature.
Well make a decent post that doesn’t contain the word “nostalgia” and actually engage in a real discussion of the merits of the mechanic. You will have a much more enjoyable discussion that way.
The only person I see here dismissing others and presenting their opinions as facts is you.
Best idea I’ve seen on this thread is a sprintless playlist.
Imagine playing warzone without sprint, no thank you. Leave it in btb and campaign as well. Perhaps infection because i like the balance to human vs zombie as it is. Halo 5 infection is right.
Team arena without sprint but slightly increased base movement speed, we will see if countless players will come out of the woodwork and start playing halo again.
I really dont don’t care about sprint. I’m just tired of the discussion. I think the assumption that a sprintless halo 6 will sell like halo 3 and have a 250000 player count for over a year to be farfetched in the least.
But if I’m wrong, honestly I wouldn’t be happier. It’s worth a gamble. Include a sprintless playlist upon release and see where the population takes the game.
So instead of having a playlist for the no sprint crybabies you’re suggesting we have a game with no sprint and custom games to allow sprint? That’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.
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> 343 will still screw it up and if it fails to bring back all the hardcore players that left all you will have is a bunch of pissed off 8 year olds that cant handle a real halo game
By pissed off 8 year olds you mean Call of duty players?
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> > > > How is this still at the top of the list.
> > > > You guys are so salty. Maybe what will make Halo, Halo again is taking off your nostalgia glasses and realizing it’s not 2001 anymore.
> > > > Harsh? Yes, but true.
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> > > Ya you’re right.
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> > > Ima go back to playing the two most popular FPS on earth now. CS GO and overwatch. Both don’t have sprint. Man, Im so glad it’s 2001.
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> > I just feel like you all forget that 343 is owned by Microsoft and Microsoft only cares about money. It doesn’t give a crap about any one of you, and sprint was money for them.
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> > You’re putting all your eggs into one basket. There are 30 reasons why Halo isn’t Halo, and most of them are truly caused by your inability to take off your nostalgia glasses. This isn’t 2001, things change. Technology develops, systems update. The companies feel the need to stay relevant with the others in its genre, and thus changes will occur.
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> Agreed. People refuse to accept the idea that things like an expanded market for FPS games and games in general mean that Halo isn’t the top dog anymore and they seek to blame something else. The franchise has to add features, some of them basic mechanics in the genre now, in order to stay relevant. Halo 4 is what happens when you go too far, Halo 5 is what happens when you get it just right.
Which is why Halo 3 had no problem competing with those modern games, and the addition of those “basic mechanics, in order to stay relevant” directly correlates to the decline of the series? And Halo 5 is getting it “just right,” despite having the worst unit sales of any mainline Halo entry and a population comparable to Halo 4 at this point in its lifespan? Sure, dude. You might have a point if Halo was on the decline before they added all this garbage, but that is not the case. It was at its peak popularity, they added these mechanics “to stay relevant” and it immediately started on the downhill slide to irrelevancy. This was not a response to a problem. This CREATED the problem.
This faulty logic is simply not borne out by reality. It has NEVER been a successful strategy to simply copy the most popular thing at the time. And Halo is one of many, many examples. Not one game that compromised its formula to incorporate the mechanics and skill gap compression of Call of Duty has seen an increase in popularity. It is always the opposite. And the reason is obvious to anyone who isn’t engaging in contorted mental gymnastics to rationalize this blatantly incompetent approach to development: Call of Duty players keep playing Call of Duty and the people who liked THIS game don’t want it to play like Call of Duty.
Honestly, I don’t understand why people think this way. Making your IP less unique by copying popular games does not make it relevant. It makes it look derivative and blend in with the crowd. Which is exactly what Halo has been doing recently. It just looks like another generic sci-fi “modern” fps and people lose interest. When a game has a unique style, you are not going to attract more people by trying to make it look, play, and sound like everything else.
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> > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> > It doesn’t solve the problem because it IS STILL THERE. Take it away. Now.
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> Wow, really great argument. Totally sold me! You are a visionary in the art of formulating a well-drawn topic of discussion.
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> Provide some constructive material rather than stating “Take it away. Now.”
What does sprint ruin? It’s hardly an advantage. you can use it to do skill jumps/slides now. That’s about all I use it for. Other than that it only keeps your shield low and makes it so that you are unable to shoot.
Removing sprint wont make halo halo again. Removing sprint will make halo halo Year:2000 version again. Go play Halo CE if you don’t like or aren’t good enough to keep up with sprint.
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> > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> > > It doesn’t solve the problem because it IS STILL THERE. Take it away. Now.
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> > Wow, really great argument. Totally sold me! You are a visionary in the art of formulating a well-drawn topic of discussion.
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> > Provide some constructive material rather than stating “Take it away. Now.”
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> What does sprint ruin?
Seperate movement from combat. Alters map design.
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> Removing sprint wont make halo halo again. Removing sprint will make halo halo Year:2000 version again. Go play Halo CE if you don’t like or aren’t good enough to keep up with sprint.
2 of the top 3 fps games right now do not use sprint. What does 2000 have to do with it? This is 2016.
Sprint is archaic.
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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign
Stop speaking on behalf of EVERYONE, I mean seriously, there is nothing more idiotic than statements like this.
Not everyone shares your view.