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> > > > > Complaining about something as insignificant as sprint… I really can’t tell if this is just a giant troll thread.
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> > > > How is it insignificant? It has changed the entire way Halo is played. In Halo 2 or 3 if you got caught with your pants down you were dead. Now you can sprint away. Sprint also led to the creation of the spartan charge which may as well be the armor lock of this game.
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> > > No… you still will almost always die if you are out of position. The ttk is quick and If you’re being shot you can’t sprint. I don’t think it being a little forgiving is a bad thing though as it encourages less campy play.
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Never? Not even Reach? See, in H5 if I see someone and start shooting at them, they can’t sprint away, but if they get behind cover, I can’t chase them. Does sprint never feel unfair to you?
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> > > > > > > > > Yes but they have no way to actually determine what other halo players outside these communities actually want. The voices of communities serve as the only direct source of fan feedback to the developer, and therefore, should be listened to. I wasn’t here during Halo 4, but they seem to have removed loadouts, perks and all that other COD stuff based on the opinions of the communities even if they were only a small subset of players. Why can’t sprint be the same?
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> > > > > > > Blizzard does that almost all the time, you don’t see their studio in chaos and shambles. In fact they are widely praised for being one of the best developers out there.The community knows whats best.
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> > > > > > Well, 343 is not Blizzard. 343 cares not for petty things like “fun” or “feedback”.
> > > > > > Blizzard mission statement: “Gameplay first; Commit to quality” (that’s their actual mission statement)
> > > > > > 343i mission statement: “Immersion, bro; Commit to quality immersion” (probably their actual mission statement)
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> > > > > This is 343’s theme song.
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> > > > Hmm, Activision/Blizzard have a 50$ season pass for CoD, sold 2 Destiny DLC for 20-30$, I also believe there was a season pass before those 2 releases. Not to mention every time they release a DLC now for Destiny, they bundle it with the game usually for 60$.
> > > > Think they are all in it for money, some just get more then others, or offer better deals varying how you look at it.
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> > > > > > > > The reason why sprint was added to halo was to make it more fast paced. Newer generations of gamers (me included) who didn’t grow up with halo are used to fast paced games such as battlefield, cod, and just about every other fps. It’s hard for a slow paced game like the older halos and even the newer ones to attract the gamers so they added sprint. To be honest I like sprint when I don’t have it I feel like a turtle with a gun. Sure you might not like it but your not everyone. 343 also has to appeal to the newer generations as well.
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> > > > > > > Flawed argument. That’s probably because you haven’t grown up with the older games, so sprint is all you know. Everyone and their mother says the new Doom game is one of the fastest paced games out now and it has no sprint. The masses don’t know what they want, they only think they know, that’s why it’s 343’s job to show you want you want. Making a fast paced game without sprint is insanely easy, but nobody - including the devs - cares to think for themselves.
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> > > > > > Been playing Halo since CE. I know what i want sprint is fine. Everyone thinks that by removing sprint that the glory days of halo 3 will come back. Halo 5 needs to more social in the arena side.
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> > > > > Doesn’t matter how long you’ve been playing or what you want, he misunderstood the purpose of sprint and how it effects the game and also how a lack of sprint effects the game. If you believe the same as him, it means you too misunderstand.
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> > > > I didn’t misunderstand anything, 343 has updated halo to be a faster pace game, you still need to go for power positions, you still need to get the power weapons and you need to be tactical in how you win. You haven’t even made any statements that say how sprint has effected Halo’s game play. And to state that the masses don’t know what they want is the most arrogant statement on this forum.
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> > > I’ve not said how sprint effects the gameplay? Perhaps you youshouldreadthethread. Yeah, click every word, and that’s just the few I could find in this very long thread. You can bet everything you have to say has likely been said already and been talked about by myself and many others (some of whom give better explanations than me).
> > > Perhaps, I should explain in more detail (that’s a single link) why the masses don’t know what they want. It can be arrogant, but it’s still right.
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> > So ive read them, pretty much what i got out of them was that because the maps are designed for two different speeds they are less efficient. Still doesnt explain how this effects gameplay, whether it negatively impacts on a persons fun, replay ability, tactics, power weapons, power positions. Ive also watched the Bungie multiplayer designers say how they have the 3 golden rules (1. melee, 2. Grenades, 3. Shooting ) again dual welding changed that rule and took away grenades/ melee. The important thing is that it was an option that you could pick up an extra weapon, its the same with sprinting you dont have to always run to ruin the 3 golden rules of halo.
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Sprint can limit the combat of the person playing but so did dual welding, and just because in halo 3 they started you with none dual weldable guns doesn’t mean they changed it. Sprinting changes the pace of the game, not so much the strategy or positioning. But i guess we are going to have to agree to disagree.
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> > > > > But these arguments against sprint are more than just opinions. There is actually tangible evidence that sprint negatively effects Halo’s gameplay.
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> > > > the opinion is that its negative. People point out some causal relationships and then opine.
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> > So please, feel free to post all the definitions you want. That doesnt really help you. Especially when you talk of “tangible evidence” then fall back on condescension and rhetoric. Winning a debate is not tangible evidence. A poll on waypoint is tangible, but not really evident of anything.
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Well, I can, especially in Reach. The balancing that 343i has done, and bullet magnetism, definitely makes it harder to pull off, but it’s happened to me in Halo 5. Even then, one time is too many. The lower TTK is probably the worst part about sprint being in Halo 5.
I think that the radar should just be expanded to be like it was in older Halo titles. I’m pretty sure that it was given such a short range for a reason.
They’re even more unfair with Spartan Charge. I remember winning plenty of 2 on 1 encounters in classic Halo, but in Halo 5, I’m lucky if I kill only one of them–unless I have a power weapon, or they aren’t as skilled as I am. Anyway, speaking of Spartan Charge, I remember somebody connecting even though I moved behind a crate on Summit. I received some damage, so I started retreating, and an opponent sprinted after me and didn’t collide with the corner of a crate when he Spartan Charged. How amazingly immersive, to have someone slide around the corner of a crate as though there were no friction, and then return to his original trajectory. 10/10 realism.
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> > > > In a debate each side has an argument based of their opinions. They both start out with an opinion, than use arguments that strengthen their opinions with facts, evidence, or scenarios. The side with the best arguments wins, so far, sprint negatively effecting Halo’s gameplay has been proven to be more true than sprint being okay for Halo’s gameplay.
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> > > I also call in question the debate. lets just assume that here on waypoint the majority opinion is against sprint. This in no way proves this is the majority opinion amongst halo fans, current halo players, or even potential halo players. There are far too many factors involved to make a determination.
> > > So please, feel free to post all the definitions you want. That doesnt really help you. Especially when you talk of “tangible evidence” then fall back on condescension and rhetoric. Winning a debate is not tangible evidence. A poll on waypoint is tangible, but not really evident of anything.
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> > Most people for sprint have no reasoning, it is just a blank opinion. People against it have valid reasoning to why it should be removed. This is evident throughout this post and many others. Poll on Waypoint have had a majority against it. Even polls on other platforms have more people against them. But keep trolling and thinking that you will win. Anti-sprint has won 200 pages ago, so why keep dragging out the inevitable.
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> thats just one poll that says otherwise. If you dont like sprint fair enough, but just realise that some people like sprint and dont think it changes some of the core things that made halo.
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> > > So please, feel free to post all the definitions you want. That doesnt really help you. Especially when you talk of “tangible evidence” then fall back on condescension and rhetoric. Winning a debate is not tangible evidence. A poll on waypoint is tangible, but not really evident of anything.
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> > Most people for sprint have no reasoning, it is just a blank opinion. People against it have valid reasoning to why it should be removed. This is evident throughout this post and many others. Poll on Waypoint have had a majority against it. Even polls on other platforms have more people against them. But keep trolling and thinking that you will win. Anti-sprint has won 200 pages ago, so why keep dragging out the inevitable.
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> thats just one poll that says otherwise. If you dont like sprint fair enough, but just realise that some people like sprint and dont think it changes some of the core things that made halo.
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And they removed it all the same, because it changed the gameplay too much. The same reason equally applies to sprint.
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To my understanding, the perfect TTKs are the same, but now the weapons have a lot more magnetism and unlimited range.
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> > > > > > Opinion- a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge
> > > > > > Argument- a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong
> > > > > > Debate- a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward
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> > > > > > I thought I would list the definitions of each word above, so you can understand the following sentences.
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> > > > > > In a debate each side has an argument based of their opinions. They both start out with an opinion, than use arguments that strengthen their opinions with facts, evidence, or scenarios. The side with the best arguments wins, so far, sprint negatively effecting Halo’s gameplay has been proven to be more true than sprint being okay for Halo’s gameplay.
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> > > > > maybe you should look up “proven.” Having a better argument doesnt make your viewpoint correct or factual.
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> > > > > I also call in question the debate. lets just assume that here on waypoint the majority opinion is against sprint. This in no way proves this is the majority opinion amongst halo fans, current halo players, or even potential halo players. There are far too many factors involved to make a determination.
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> > > > > So please, feel free to post all the definitions you want. That doesnt really help you. Especially when you talk of “tangible evidence” then fall back on condescension and rhetoric. Winning a debate is not tangible evidence. A poll on waypoint is tangible, but not really evident of anything.
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> > > > > nice try though.
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> > > > That is why we have argued past the point of who is for or against sprint and started listing out reasons to why sprint is bad or good. So far there has been more reason to remove sprint than keep it in based off of the posts in the 9000+ post thread.
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> > > > Most people for sprint have no reasoning, it is just a blank opinion. People against it have valid reasoning to why it should be removed. This is evident throughout this post and many others. Poll on Waypoint have had a majority against it. Even polls on other platforms have more people against them. But keep trolling and thinking that you will win. Anti-sprint has won 200 pages ago, so why keep dragging out the inevitable.
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> > > thats just one poll that says otherwise. If you dont like sprint fair enough, but just realise that some people like sprint and dont think it changes some of the core things that made halo.
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> > Let’s not get into the whole poll argument. There are a lot of people who play/played Halo who don’t get on Halo Waypoint.
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> > Classic Halo’s gameplay was what made it Halo. TTK has been lowered, shotguns have 4x range, etc.
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> > > > > > > > > > Yes but they have no way to actually determine what other halo players outside these communities actually want. The voices of communities serve as the only direct source of fan feedback to the developer, and therefore, should be listened to. I wasn’t here during Halo 4, but they seem to have removed loadouts, perks and all that other COD stuff based on the opinions of the communities even if they were only a small subset of players. Why can’t sprint be the same?
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> > > > > > > > > I don’t know, have they ever come out and specifically said they made the changes from Halo 4 to 5 based on community feedback? They usually don’t. We don’t really know anything about their internal decision making process, but I’d be surprised if any developer chose to be guided mostly by what the vocal part of their community says. If I were to bet, I’d say they have an array of things they consider when making design decisions from matchmaking data to ultimately how they feel about it.
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> > > > > > > > Blizzard does that almost all the time, you don’t see their studio in chaos and shambles. In fact they are widely praised for being one of the best developers out there.The community knows whats best.
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> > > > > > > Well, 343 is not Blizzard. 343 cares not for petty things like “fun” or “feedback”.
> > > > > > > Blizzard mission statement: “Gameplay first; Commit to quality” (that’s their actual mission statement)
> > > > > > > 343i mission statement: “Immersion, bro; Commit to quality immersion” (probably their actual mission statement)
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> > > > > > This is 343’s theme song.
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> > > > > Hmm, Activision/Blizzard have a 50$ season pass for CoD, sold 2 Destiny DLC for 20-30$, I also believe there was a season pass before those 2 releases. Not to mention every time they release a DLC now for Destiny, they bundle it with the game usually for 60$.
> > > > > Think they are all in it for money, some just get more then others, or offer better deals varying how you look at it.
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> > > > Ummmm…blizzard doesnt make COD or Destiny, so how is that relevant? Blizzard Entertainment is owned by Activision that doesnt meant they affiliate with all other games Activision publishes.
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> > > Link Activision Blizzard is the parent company. link 2 Sure Blizzard Entertainment and Activision still do there own things under their labels, but they merged together. They still can imply, thus Activision Blizzard.
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> Not to be pedantic, but Activision Blizzard is most definitely a company. It was formed by the merger of Activision and Vivendi Games (Blizzard’s parent company) in 2008, and then became independent of the wider Vivendi media group in 2013. Activision (the publisher) and Blizzard Entertainment (the developer) are both divisions of Activision Blizzard.
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There’s a difference between ownership and a contract, blizzard can break off from their deal with activision at any time once their contract is up, that isn’t ownership.
If MS & 343i sent out a Halo 6 sprint survey to every active Xbox gamer tag with the vote weighted so that Halo players would count 10X more it still would be a giant landslide pro sprint result.
Every anti-sprint statement can be discredited simply as “if it don’t play like Halo 2 &3 it ain’t Halo” which is 100% opinion.
How can’t this community see that Halo 3 was virtually in most regards Halo 2.5 and stagnating this franchise with another rehash of H2 isn’t acceceptable.
Removal of sprint will only be see as a week willed last act of desperation by the world wide gaming community and to use something of a sports quote “if coaches listen to the fans they’ll be sitting with them in the stands soon enough”.
Just look at Destiny’s bending over backwards to constantly nerf things in PvP even if it wrecks PvE which would be 343i balancing only for Arena and dumping trash on BTB & Warzone just to silence a small but loud and whiney group.
Frankly if 343i looses it’s freaking mind and does go sprintless I’d hope they have a emergency day one sprint patch when it doesn’t even move 50k in units sold in the first 72 hours of H6’s launch.
Let’s get a few things straight regarding this pointless Activision Blizzard discussion. Vivdendi Games owned Blizzard Entertainment, then Vivendi merged with Activision and they began using the name Activision Blizzard. Activision Blizzard is now the parent company of Blizzard Entertainment.
Those are all facts. Should you choose to argue these facts, please do it elsewhere as it’s not at all related to the topic at hand.
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> If MS & 343i sent out a Halo 6 sprint survey to every active Xbox gamer tag with the vote weighted so that Halo players would count 10X more it still would be a giant landslide pro sprint result.
> Every anti-sprint statement can be discredited simply as “if it don’t play like Halo 2 &3 it ain’t Halo” which is 100% opinion.
> How can’t this community see that Halo 3 was virtually in most regards Halo 2.5 and stagnating this franchise with another rehash of H2 isn’t acceceptable.
> Removal of sprint will only be see as a week willed last act of desperation by the world wide gaming community and to use something of a sports quote “if coaches listen to the fans they’ll be sitting with them in the stands soon enough”.
> Just look at Destiny’s bending over backwards to constantly nerf things in PvP even if it wrecks PvE which would be 343i balancing only for Arena and dumping trash on BTB & Warzone just to silence a small but loud and whiney group.
> Frankly if 343i looses it’s freaking mind and does go sprintless I’d hope they have a emergency day one sprint patch when it doesn’t even move 50k in units sold in the first 72 hours of H6’s launch.
Sorry, but the opinions of Halo fans (former and current) matter more than that of people who don’t like Halo, so your Halo 6 survey theory is irrelevant. Nor does it matter how other games balance their MP. You should apply for a job at 343 though, they seem share the same out of wack priorities and points of view as you.
You ready to explain why sprint benefits the gameplay yet? Maybe you already have, but it just got lost amount your many posts about why sprint is supposedly a non-issue.
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> If MS & 343i sent out a Halo 6 sprint survey to every active Xbox gamer tag with the vote weighted so that Halo players would count 10X more it still would be a giant landslide pro sprint result.
> Every anti-sprint statement can be discredited simply as “if it don’t play like Halo 2 &3 it ain’t Halo” which is 100% opinion.
> How can’t this community see that Halo 3 was virtually in most regards Halo 2.5 and stagnating this franchise with another rehash of H2 isn’t acceceptable.
> Removal of sprint will only be see as a week willed last act of desperation by the world wide gaming community and to use something of a sports quote “if coaches listen to the fans they’ll be sitting with them in the stands soon enough”.
> Just look at Destiny’s bending over backwards to constantly nerf things in PvP even if it wrecks PvE which would be 343i balancing only for Arena and dumping trash on BTB & Warzone just to silence a small but loud and whiney group.
> Frankly if 343i looses it’s freaking mind and does go sprintless I’d hope they have a emergency day one sprint patch when it doesn’t even move 50k in units sold in the first 72 hours of H6’s launch.
H2 didn’t stagnate off CE, h3 didn’t stagnate off h2, funny enough anything after has progressively decreased game by game. I personally don’t mind if you like sprint, cool. But I find it stupid that you’re over exaggerating a no sprint halo outright failing when we will never know untill it’s done. Why not give it a try?after all halos been continuously progressing downwards in sales, retention, popularity, ect ect.
What happens when, if a no sprint halo makes you eat your words? Or will you then just downplay it?
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> Unlimited sprint should be only applied in a situation like Call of Duty, where you need a constant velocity in order to chain wall runs. Halo 5 has one dinky slide, another thruster push, and a semi-thruster push in the Spartan Charge, there is not NEED for UNLIMITED sprint; LIMITED sprint should solve the problem here.
I disagree. Not everybody does this “dinky slide, another thruster push, and a semi-thruster push in the Sparange Charge” thing. Actually, if you get spotted by the enemy while you’re doing this, you probably will get killed. The key for sprintingredients issue is balance and know when it IS time to use it. Imagine that you’re sprinting and you run out of “sprinting power”, or whatever you want to call it, you use the “dinky slide, another thruster push, and a semi-thruster push in the Spartan Charge” but this just took 2 seconds or less, then you’ll have to walk while sprint recharges. See? Now you made the game slower.
I think it’s fine just the way it is, and I’ve seen the whole Halo evolution, so I didn’t start with the latest Halo. Sprint just made it faster not “less Halo”.
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> If MS & 343i sent out a Halo 6 sprint survey to every active Xbox gamer tag with the vote weighted so that Halo players would count 10X more it still would be a giant landslide pro sprint result.
> Every anti-sprint statement can be discredited simply as “if it don’t play like Halo 2 &3 it ain’t Halo” which is 100% opinion.
> How can’t this community see that Halo 3 was virtually in most regards Halo 2.5 and stagnating this franchise with another rehash of H2 isn’t acceceptable.
> Removal of sprint will only be see as a week willed last act of desperation by the world wide gaming community and to use something of a sports quote “if coaches listen to the fans they’ll be sitting with them in the stands soon enough”.
> Just look at Destiny’s bending over backwards to constantly nerf things in PvP even if it wrecks PvE which would be 343i balancing only for Arena and dumping trash on BTB & Warzone just to silence a small but loud and whiney group.
> Frankly if 343i looses it’s freaking mind and does go sprintless I’d hope they have a emergency day one sprint patch when it doesn’t even move 50k in units sold in the first 72 hours of H6’s launch.
Why were the games with major changes to gameplay failures population wise?
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> > If MS & 343i sent out a Halo 6 sprint survey to every active Xbox gamer tag with the vote weighted so that Halo players would count 10X more it still would be a giant landslide pro sprint result.
> > Every anti-sprint statement can be discredited simply as “if it don’t play like Halo 2 &3 it ain’t Halo” which is 100% opinion.
> > How can’t this community see that Halo 3 was virtually in most regards Halo 2.5 and stagnating this franchise with another rehash of H2 isn’t acceceptable.
> > Removal of sprint will only be see as a week willed last act of desperation by the world wide gaming community and to use something of a sports quote “if coaches listen to the fans they’ll be sitting with them in the stands soon enough”.
> > Just look at Destiny’s bending over backwards to constantly nerf things in PvP even if it wrecks PvE which would be 343i balancing only for Arena and dumping trash on BTB & Warzone just to silence a small but loud and whiney group.
> > Frankly if 343i looses it’s freaking mind and does go sprintless I’d hope they have a emergency day one sprint patch when it doesn’t even move 50k in units sold in the first 72 hours of H6’s launch.
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The sales have actually been decreasing for every game after Halo 3.
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> > > If MS & 343i sent out a Halo 6 sprint survey to every active Xbox gamer tag with the vote weighted so that Halo players would count 10X more it still would be a giant landslide pro sprint result.
> > > Every anti-sprint statement can be discredited simply as “if it don’t play like Halo 2 &3 it ain’t Halo” which is 100% opinion.
> > > How can’t this community see that Halo 3 was virtually in most regards Halo 2.5 and stagnating this franchise with another rehash of H2 isn’t acceceptable.
> > > Removal of sprint will only be see as a week willed last act of desperation by the world wide gaming community and to use something of a sports quote “if coaches listen to the fans they’ll be sitting with them in the stands soon enough”.
> > > Just look at Destiny’s bending over backwards to constantly nerf things in PvP even if it wrecks PvE which would be 343i balancing only for Arena and dumping trash on BTB & Warzone just to silence a small but loud and whiney group.
> > > Frankly if 343i looses it’s freaking mind and does go sprintless I’d hope they have a emergency day one sprint patch when it doesn’t even move 50k in units sold in the first 72 hours of H6’s launch.
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> > > > > > > I desagree, the sprint is something that I miss in other games, but when I saw firstly on Halo: Reach I felt very gratefull
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> > > > > > But these arguments against sprint are more than just opinions. There is actually tangible evidence that sprint negatively effects Halo’s gameplay.
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> > > > > the opinion is that its negative. People point out some causal relationships and then opine.
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> > > > Opinion- a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge
> > > > Argument- a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong
> > > > Debate- a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward
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> > > > In a debate each side has an argument based of their opinions. They both start out with an opinion, than use arguments that strengthen their opinions with facts, evidence, or scenarios. The side with the best arguments wins, so far, sprint negatively effecting Halo’s gameplay has been proven to be more true than sprint being okay for Halo’s gameplay.
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> > > maybe you should look up “proven.” Having a better argument doesnt make your viewpoint correct or factual.
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> > > I also call in question the debate. lets just assume that here on waypoint the majority opinion is against sprint. This in no way proves this is the majority opinion amongst halo fans, current halo players, or even potential halo players. There are far too many factors involved to make a determination.
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> > > So please, feel free to post all the definitions you want. That doesnt really help you. Especially when you talk of “tangible evidence” then fall back on condescension and rhetoric. Winning a debate is not tangible evidence. A poll on waypoint is tangible, but not really evident of anything.
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> > That is why we have argued past the point of who is for or against sprint and started listing out reasons to why sprint is bad or good. So far there has been more reason to remove sprint than keep it in based off of the posts in the 9000+ post thread.
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> > Most people for sprint have no reasoning, it is just a blank opinion. People against it have valid reasoning to why it should be removed. This is evident throughout this post and many others. Poll on Waypoint have had a majority against it. Even polls on other platforms have more people against them. But keep trolling and thinking that you will win. Anti-sprint has won 200 pages ago, so why keep dragging out the inevitable.
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> thats just one poll that says otherwise. If you dont like sprint fair enough, but just realise that some people like sprint and dont think it changes some of the core things that made halo.
Funny how the only polls that show people wanting sprint are after the sudden population drop after halo 4. Hmmm…