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> > > Complaining about something as insignificant as sprint… I really can’t tell if this is just a giant troll thread.
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> > Not sure if this is a place for calling discussion troll.
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> There is no discussion. Just people telling you to read the thread to understand why sprint messes up halo. It’s 465 pages, come on.
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> The maps aren’t much bigger than past games that don’t have sprint. Sprinting to run from a fight barely works because it gets cancelled when shot early and your shield resets. So how has running slightly faster with your gun down totally changed and ruined this series? It makes no sense and has to be trolling. The main gameplay is 99% the same
lol, take your own advice and read some of this thread. I bet within the last 5 pages someone has posted or linked multiple essay size posts explaining in detail how sprint negatively impacts gameplay.
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> > > > > > > > Yes but they have no way to actually determine what other halo players outside these communities actually want. The voices of communities serve as the only direct source of fan feedback to the developer, and therefore, should be listened to. I wasn’t here during Halo 4, but they seem to have removed loadouts, perks and all that other COD stuff based on the opinions of the communities even if they were only a small subset of players. Why can’t sprint be the same?
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> > > > > > > I don’t know, have they ever come out and specifically said they made the changes from Halo 4 to 5 based on community feedback? They usually don’t. We don’t really know anything about their internal decision making process, but I’d be surprised if any developer chose to be guided mostly by what the vocal part of their community says. If I were to bet, I’d say they have an array of things they consider when making design decisions from matchmaking data to ultimately how they feel about it.
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> > > > > > Blizzard does that almost all the time, you don’t see their studio in chaos and shambles. In fact they are widely praised for being one of the best developers out there.The community knows whats best.
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> > > > > Well, 343 is not Blizzard. 343 cares not for petty things like “fun” or “feedback”.
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> > > > > Blizzard mission statement: “Gameplay first; Commit to quality” (that’s their actual mission statement)
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> > > > > 343i mission statement: “Immersion, bro; Commit to quality immersion” (probably their actual mission statement)
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> > > > This is 343’s theme song.
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> > > Hmm, Activision/Blizzard have a 50$ season pass for CoD, sold 2 Destiny DLC for 20-30$, I also believe there was a season pass before those 2 releases. Not to mention every time they release a DLC now for Destiny, they bundle it with the game usually for 60$.
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> > > Think they are all in it for money, some just get more then others, or offer better deals varying how you look at it.
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> > Ummmm…blizzard doesnt make COD or Destiny, so how is that relevant? Blizzard Entertainment is owned by Activision that doesnt meant they affiliate with all other games Activision publishes.
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> Link Activision Blizzard is the parent company. link 2 Sure Blizzard Entertainment and Activision still do there own things under their labels, but they merged together. They still can imply, thus Activision Blizzard.
Activision blizzard isn’t a company or even an official name for the partnership, just like bungie soft wasn’t the name of a real company, just a way of mentioning the devs and publisher together, that’s not a parent company relationship.
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> > > > Complaining about something as insignificant as sprint… I really can’t tell if this is just a giant troll thread.
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> > > Not sure if this is a place for calling discussion troll.
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> > There is no discussion. Just people telling you to read the thread to understand why sprint messes up halo. It’s 465 pages, come on.
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> > The maps aren’t much bigger than past games that don’t have sprint. Sprinting to run from a fight barely works because it gets cancelled when shot early and your shield resets. So how has running slightly faster with your gun down totally changed and ruined this series? It makes no sense and has to be trolling. The main gameplay is 99% the same
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> lol, take your own advice and read some of this thread. I bet within the last 5 pages someone has posted or linked multiple essay size posts explaining in detail how sprint negatively impacts gameplay.
I don’t know about 5 pages (possibly), but I definitely did it 12 pages ago. And those are just some of my own. That’s also not counting anything that was discussed in these last 12 pages.
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> > > > > Complaining about something as insignificant as sprint… I really can’t tell if this is just a giant troll thread.
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> > > > Not sure if this is a place for calling discussion troll.
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> > > There is no discussion. Just people telling you to read the thread to understand why sprint messes up halo. It’s 465 pages, come on.
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> > > The maps aren’t much bigger than past games that don’t have sprint. Sprinting to run from a fight barely works because it gets cancelled when shot early and your shield resets. So how has running slightly faster with your gun down totally changed and ruined this series? It makes no sense and has to be trolling. The main gameplay is 99% the same
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> > lol, take your own advice and read some of this thread. I bet within the last 5 pages someone has posted or linked multiple essay size posts explaining in detail how sprint negatively impacts gameplay.
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> I don’t know about 5 pages (possibly), but I definitely did it 12 pages ago. And those are just some of my own. That’s also not counting anything that was discussed in these last 12 pages.
Yea, I was going to specifically mention you but didn’t feel like looking for the exact spelling and caps of your name, I’ve seen several posts where you linked 5/6 things at once.
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> > > > > > Complaining about something as insignificant as sprint… I really can’t tell if this is just a giant troll thread.
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> > > > > Not sure if this is a place for calling discussion troll.
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> > > > There is no discussion. Just people telling you to read the thread to understand why sprint messes up halo. It’s 465 pages, come on.
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> > > > The maps aren’t much bigger than past games that don’t have sprint. Sprinting to run from a fight barely works because it gets cancelled when shot early and your shield resets. So how has running slightly faster with your gun down totally changed and ruined this series? It makes no sense and has to be trolling. The main gameplay is 99% the same
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> > > lol, take your own advice and read some of this thread. I bet within the last 5 pages someone has posted or linked multiple essay size posts explaining in detail how sprint negatively impacts gameplay.
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> > I don’t know about 5 pages (possibly), but I definitely did it 12 pages ago. And those are just some of my own. That’s also not counting anything that was discussed in these last 12 pages.
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> Yea, I was going to specifically mention you but didn’t feel like looking for the exact spelling and caps of your name, I’ve seen several posts where you linked 5/6 things at once.
Yeah, I decided to find a few of my past explanations just for moments like these. That way I’m not constantly having to repeat myself.
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> > Yeah I’m agreeing with you, it might make halo halo again but I like sprinting
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> Do you though? Or are you just used to it? What does sprint actually bring to Halo? Why did the first 3 Halo’s play so great without it?
I actually do btw and I am use to it and hated the fact I couldn’t sprint because I’d prefer to get to the weapons I need for me to win the match with my team and that’s your opinion along side many others and I personally think that halo 5 did better with the sprint WITHOUT armor abilities
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> Complaining about something as insignificant as sprint… I really can’t tell if this is just a giant troll thread.
How is it insignificant? It has changed the entire way Halo is played. In Halo 2 or 3 if you got caught with your pants down you were dead. Now you can sprint away. Sprint also led to the creation of the spartan charge which may as well be the armor lock of this game.
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> i like sprint and dont they do this with every halo game halo reach comes out their not satisfied halo 4 comes out they hate it then halo 5 comes out they hate it i think people just like hating
It’s unfortunate that people like hating but leave it to fans like us to love the game🖒
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> How is it insignificant? It has changed the entire way Halo is played. In Halo 2 or 3 if you got caught with your pants down you were dead. Now you can sprint away. Sprint also led to the creation of the spartan charge which may as well be the armor lock of this game.
TarheelsFan90 does have a good point but arguments about changes are destined to happen sometime
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> Complaining about something as insignificant as sprint… I really can’t tell if this is just a giant troll thread.
I’ll remember to say this if halo ever scraps sprint to those who then ask for sprint to come back. “Why you complaining about something so insignificant as a lack of sprint”?
theres then countless pages of detail and debate on here but nah, I’m sure it’s all just trolling.
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> > Players want their favorite game to have new features. Get new features and then complain that the game has changed. 1st world problems abound.
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> Who wanted sprint to be in the game? Thats right no one. Hell even after Halo 4, a majority of players from the three largest halo communities did not want sprint in Halo 5 and of course, 343 gives some bs excuse about players expecting to sprint and immersion to force it into the game.
Not that I mentioned sprint but OK. I’d hate to be playing maps of this size without sprint and I like the shoulder charge. Also, to say no one wanted sprint is just silly, quite a few wanted it, you are just one of those that didn’t. Chin up mate and try not to get too upset.
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> How is it insignificant? It has changed the entire way Halo is played. In Halo 2 or 3 if you got caught with your pants down you were dead. Now you can sprint away. Sprint also led to the creation of the spartan charge which may as well be the armor lock of this game.
No… you still will almost always die if you are out of position. The ttk is quick and If you’re being shot you can’t sprint. I don’t think it being a little forgiving is a bad thing though as it encourages less campy play.
Spartan charge is only bad because of the puny radar. If they kept it the same as the others you could see it coming and counter it. I’m sure it’d be considered a dumb move
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> > How is it insignificant? It has changed the entire way Halo is played. In Halo 2 or 3 if you got caught with your pants down you were dead. Now you can sprint away. Sprint also led to the creation of the spartan charge which may as well be the armor lock of this game.
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> No… you still will almost always die if you are out of position. The ttk is quick and If you’re being shot you can’t sprint. I don’t think it being a little forgiving is a bad thing though as it encourages less campy play.
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> Spartan charge is only bad because of the puny radar. If they kept it the same as the others you could see it coming and counter it. I’m sure it’d be considered a dumb move
I don’t think that anyone is talking about being out in the open when they refer to “poor positioning”. You can thrust, which would then enable you to sprint away. It happens to me often enough for it to be an annoyance. Yes, 343i tried to balance it, and they did an okay job, but it has still completely changed the gameplay. How does it “encourage less campy gameplay”? When I played CoD, there were campers EVERYWHERE.
Spartan Charge would be easier to counter with a better radar, sure, but what about gametype variants that don’t have radar enabled? It was put in to prevent double melees, which were a problem because of sprint. I mean, talk about an unfair 2 on 1 if one Spartan Charges and then the other lands a headshot. That sort of stuff never goes well in Halo 5, unless both opponents are far less skillful.
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> > > > I desagree, the sprint is something that I miss in other games, but when I saw firstly on Halo: Reach I felt very gratefull
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> > > But these arguments against sprint are more than just opinions. There is actually tangible evidence that sprint negatively effects Halo’s gameplay.
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> > the opinion is that its negative. People point out some causal relationships and then opine.
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> Opinion- a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge
> Argument- a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong
> Debate- a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward
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> I thought I would list the definitions of each word above, so you can understand the following sentences.
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> In a debate each side has an argument based of their opinions. They both start out with an opinion, than use arguments that strengthen their opinions with facts, evidence, or scenarios. The side with the best arguments wins, so far, sprint negatively effecting Halo’s gameplay has been proven to be more true than sprint being okay for Halo’s gameplay.
maybe you should look up “proven.” Having a better argument doesnt make your viewpoint correct or factual.
I also call in question the debate. lets just assume that here on waypoint the majority opinion is against sprint. This in no way proves this is the majority opinion amongst halo fans, current halo players, or even potential halo players. There are far too many factors involved to make a determination.
So please, feel free to post all the definitions you want. That doesnt really help you. Especially when you talk of “tangible evidence” then fall back on condescension and rhetoric. Winning a debate is not tangible evidence. A poll on waypoint is tangible, but not really evident of anything.
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> > > How is it insignificant? It has changed the entire way Halo is played. In Halo 2 or 3 if you got caught with your pants down you were dead. Now you can sprint away. Sprint also led to the creation of the spartan charge which may as well be the armor lock of this game.
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> > No… you still will almost always die if you are out of position. The ttk is quick and If you’re being shot you can’t sprint. I don’t think it being a little forgiving is a bad thing though as it encourages less campy play.
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> I don’t think that anyone is talking about being out in the open when they refer to “poor positioning”. You can thrust, which would then enable you to sprint away. It happens to me often enough for it to be an annoyance. Yes, 343i tried to balance it, and they did an okay job, but it has still completely changed the gameplay. How does it “encourage less campy gameplay”? When I played CoD, there were campers EVERYWHERE.
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> Spartan Charge would be easier to counter with a better radar, sure, but what about gametype variants that don’t have radar enabled? It was put in to prevent double melees, which were a problem because of sprint. I mean, talk about an unfair 2 on 1 if one Spartan Charges and then the other lands a headshot. That sort of stuff never goes well in Halo 5, unless both opponents are far less skillful.
I cant recall a time in any halo game with sprint where someone sprinted (or thrusted) away so that I felt I was cheated out of a kill.
but I’m all for a more effective radar. I can accept spartan charge, but I’ve never been ok with the radar. Sprinting should make you visible further out.
I think its funny that you talk about unfar 2v1… these are inherently “unfair.”
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> > > > Not sure if this is a place for calling discussion troll.
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> > > There is no discussion. Just people telling you to read the thread to understand why sprint messes up halo. It’s 465 pages, come on.
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> > > The maps aren’t much bigger than past games that don’t have sprint. Sprinting to run from a fight barely works because it gets cancelled when shot early and your shield resets. So how has running slightly faster with your gun down totally changed and ruined this series? It makes no sense and has to be trolling. The main gameplay is 99% the same
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> > lol, take your own advice and read some of this thread. I bet within the last 5 pages someone has posted or linked multiple essay size posts explaining in detail how sprint negatively impacts gameplay.
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> I don’t know about 5 pages (possibly), but I definitely did it 12 pages ago. And those are just some of my own. That’s also not counting anything that was discussed in these last 12 pages.
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your link takes me to another post that links to you complaining that pro-sprinters are uninformed and oblivious youngsters. Is that what you mean by detailing how sprint negatively impacts gameplay?
edit: i see that you have another batch of links in there. I missed those the first time…
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> > > > There is no discussion. Just people telling you to read the thread to understand why sprint messes up halo. It’s 465 pages, come on.
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> > > > The maps aren’t much bigger than past games that don’t have sprint. Sprinting to run from a fight barely works because it gets cancelled when shot early and your shield resets. So how has running slightly faster with your gun down totally changed and ruined this series? It makes no sense and has to be trolling. The main gameplay is 99% the same
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> > I don’t know about 5 pages (possibly), but I definitely did it 12 pages ago. And those are just some of my own. That’s also not counting anything that was discussed in these last 12 pages.
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> your link takes me to another post that links to you complaining that pro-sprinters are uninformed and oblivious youngsters. Is that what you mean by detailing how sprint negatively impacts gameplay?
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> > > > > I desagree, the sprint is something that I miss in other games, but when I saw firstly on Halo: Reach I felt very gratefull
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> > > > But these arguments against sprint are more than just opinions. There is actually tangible evidence that sprint negatively effects Halo’s gameplay.
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> > > the opinion is that its negative. People point out some causal relationships and then opine.
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> > Opinion- a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge
> > Argument- a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong
> > Debate- a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward
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> > I thought I would list the definitions of each word above, so you can understand the following sentences.
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> > In a debate each side has an argument based of their opinions. They both start out with an opinion, than use arguments that strengthen their opinions with facts, evidence, or scenarios. The side with the best arguments wins, so far, sprint negatively effecting Halo’s gameplay has been proven to be more true than sprint being okay for Halo’s gameplay.
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> maybe you should look up “proven.” Having a better argument doesnt make your viewpoint correct or factual.
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> I also call in question the debate. lets just assume that here on waypoint the majority opinion is against sprint. This in no way proves this is the majority opinion amongst halo fans, current halo players, or even potential halo players. There are far too many factors involved to make a determination.
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> So please, feel free to post all the definitions you want. That doesnt really help you. Especially when you talk of “tangible evidence” then fall back on condescension and rhetoric. Winning a debate is not tangible evidence. A poll on waypoint is tangible, but not really evident of anything.
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> nice try though.
That is why we have argued past the point of who is for or against sprint and started listing out reasons to why sprint is bad or good. So far there has been more reason to remove sprint than keep it in based off of the posts in the 9000+ post thread.
Most people for sprint have no reasoning, it is just a blank opinion. People against it have valid reasoning to why it should be removed. This is evident throughout this post and many others. Poll on Waypoint have had a majority against it. Even polls on other platforms have more people against them. But keep trolling and thinking that you will win. Anti-sprint has won 200 pages ago, so why keep dragging out the inevitable.
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> > Do you though? Or are you just used to it? What does sprint actually bring to Halo? Why did the first 3 Halo’s play so great without it?
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> I actually do btw and I am use to it and hated the fact I couldn’t sprint because I’d prefer to get to the weapons I need for me to win the match with my team and that’s your opinion along side many others and I personally think that halo 5 did better with the sprint WITHOUT armor abilities
So have you been playing the non-sprint halos without ever being able to get to any weapon at all?
-Did sprint suddenly allow you to get to weapons on the map? How were you unable to reach the weapons without sprint before?
-Did sprint suddenly pull your team mates with you when you go for a weapon? Your team never went there with you when you tried to go for a weapon?
If you’re trying to say that it’s a time related “issue”, you may want to consider map design.