The sprint discussion thread

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> > > When did you start playing Halo? Halo originally had no sprint, adding it was the change. Im not affraid of the change cause ive been through it. And the reason super soldier are putting their guns down is because that allows them to run faster. You dont see Usan Bolt having his arms in a gun position.
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> > I’ve played since CE, thank you very much.
> > So just because it already was like this in previous games makes it not a change? So removing dual wielding wasn’t a change either? Removing loadouts? Removing bloom?
> > As for the “run faster” thing, I have spent the last 50 pages or so disproving this statement. You can run equally as fast with your gun up as with yout gun down. Especially if you’re a genetically and cybernetically enhanced super soldier with a power armor which does all of the heavy-lifting and moving for you.
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> No you cant, have a look at the 100m sprints they are all using technique to run that fast it doesn’t matter if your a super soldier. So lets say that you could have your wish and sprint is removed what would that do for halo?

Yes you can. I did it myself.

If sprint were removed, map design would (hopefully) improve as they don’t need to be created for two entirely different speeds, weapon damage and TTK would return to a more balanced state where not every weapon is designed to shred through sprinting players at all distances, aim assist and bullet magnetism would be reduced, in general the gameplay would revolve more around shooting people than running away from them. One would think that this was the main goal for a first person shooter

Sprint is here to stay weather you like it or not
this isn’t 2007 anymore buddy

besides, you’re a spartan, wouldn’t be much of a solider if you can’t sprint

Even if they took sprint away
it wouldn’t make difference to halo population at all, and even if it did, it wouldn’t be long at all before people move on again

If you don’t like sprint, don’t use it, and if you see an enemy sprinting…well you know what to do

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> besides, you’re a spartan, wouldn’t be much of a solider if you can’t sprint

A super soldier is also able to shoot while sprinting.

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> > > > > > The reason why sprint was added to halo was to make it more fast paced. Newer generations of gamers (me included) who didn’t grow up with halo are used to fast paced games such as battlefield, cod, and just about every other fps. It’s hard for a slow paced game like the older halos and even the newer ones to attract the gamers so they added sprint. To be honest I like sprint when I don’t have it I feel like a turtle with a gun. Sure you might not like it but your not everyone. 343 also has to appeal to the newer generations as well.
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> > > > > Flawed argument. That’s probably because you haven’t grown up with the older games, so sprint is all you know. Everyone and their mother says the new Doom game is one of the fastest paced games out now and it has no sprint. The masses don’t know what they want, they only think they know, that’s why it’s 343’s job to show you want you want. Making a fast paced game without sprint is insanely easy, but nobody - including the devs - cares to think for themselves.
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> > And to state that the masses don’t know what they want is the most arrogant statement on this forum.
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> No it’s not arrogant, it is true.
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> I actually had a discussion relating to this subject two days ago with one of my older brothers, TV-series, or how you want to label them.
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> The jumping board was Deadpool, a movie so unlike most other mainstream superhero movies, which was a success. People only think they know what they want based on previous experiences.
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> Sopranos, who would have thought then that a series about a mafia boss who goes to see a psychologist would have become as huge as it did?
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> What about Breaking Bad and the premisis there?
> Game of Thrones?
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> Of course it’s a question about quality in production, but I do not recall “the masses” chanting for a cancer-ill-crystal--Yoink!--cooking-teacher series, or a boy who goes to magic school book series, a reality show where people are shipped to an island and then vote each other out, a series depicting the life of workers in an office.
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> Did the masses know they wanted that?
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> Heck, my mother, a somewhat religious do-no-harm person was really skeptical towards the Dexter series, seriel killer hunting down wrong-doers and slicing them up into small neat packages, “He can’t justify doing that, it’s not his decision to make, it’s no one’s decision”, wait, what’s that? You went from wanting him to get caught to being afraid he gets caught? You went from being reluctant to watching the next episode to wanting to know what happens next?

It is not true because only facts can be. You are presenting an opionion which is subjective. Facts are objective. I am sure you already knew this though.

And when it comes to Deadpool. Wrong. People got exactly what they wanted. Until this date Deadpool is probably, alongside Watchmen, the superhero movie that is the most true to it’s origin. That is what the masses wanted and that is what they got. The producers knew that they had to make it right. It’s all in the interviews and extra content.

So you see, don’t mistake opinions for facts. Thank you!

I just wanted to say…is this the largest thread to have ever existed on waypoint?

Hello humans. Just popping in to say that I’m surprised how big this thread has exploded… in just 3 months you’ve almost outgrown the elite thread that is 4 years old… I’m impressed…

On topic: If I haven’t shown this picture yet in this thread… might as well…

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> I just wanted to say…is this the largest thread to have ever existed on waypoint?

No actually, currently the elite thread is bigger. See it is the biggest running thread on the whole site. This thread is the second biggest. However just because they are the biggest running ones doesn’t mean they are the biggest ever. The second biggest thread ever is 2056 pages… and I have no idea how big the biggest was, I only know the names…

The biggest thread ever was called YO!, While the second biggest (2056 pages) was called YO-YO.

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> > I just wanted to say…is this the largest thread to have ever existed on waypoint?
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> No actually, currently the elite thread is bigger. See it is the biggest running thread on the whole site. This thread is the second biggest. However just because they are the biggest running ones doesn’t mean they are the biggest ever. The second biggest thread ever is 2056 pages… and I have no idea how big the biggest was, I only know the names…
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> The biggest thread ever was called YO!, While the second biggest (2056 pages) was called YO-YO.

That’s insane. Thanks for the info :slight_smile:

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> > > I just wanted to say…is this the largest thread to have ever existed on waypoint?
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> > No actually, currently the elite thread is bigger. See it is the biggest running thread on the whole site. This thread is the second biggest. However just because they are the biggest running ones doesn’t mean they are the biggest ever. The second biggest thread ever is 2056 pages… and I have no idea how big the biggest was, I only know the names…
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> > The biggest thread ever was called YO!, While the second biggest (2056 pages) was called YO-YO.
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> That’s insane. Thanks for the info :slight_smile:

Wait hold on I just found it!!! BEHOLD! THE BIGGEST THREAD EVER TO EXIST ON WAYPOINT

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> > > > I just wanted to say…is this the largest thread to have ever existed on waypoint?
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> > > No actually, currently the elite thread is bigger. See it is the biggest running thread on the whole site. This thread is the second biggest. However just because they are the biggest running ones doesn’t mean they are the biggest ever. The second biggest thread ever is 2056 pages… and I have no idea how big the biggest was, I only know the names…
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> > > The biggest thread ever was called YO!, While the second biggest (2056 pages) was called YO-YO.
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> > That’s insane. Thanks for the info :slight_smile:
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> Wait hold on I just found it!!! BEHOLD! THE BIGGEST THREAD EVER TO EXIST ON WAYPOINT

Holy Hell, nice job man I was just looking! That is HUGE!

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> > > > I just wanted to say…is this the largest thread to have ever existed on waypoint?
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> > > No actually, currently the elite thread is bigger. See it is the biggest running thread on the whole site. This thread is the second biggest. However just because they are the biggest running ones doesn’t mean they are the biggest ever. The second biggest thread ever is 2056 pages… and I have no idea how big the biggest was, I only know the names…
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> > > The biggest thread ever was called YO!, While the second biggest (2056 pages) was called YO-YO.
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> > That’s insane. Thanks for the info :slight_smile:
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> Wait hold on I just found it!!! BEHOLD! THE BIGGEST THREAD EVER TO EXIST ON WAYPOINT

And it started with “Cats. That is all.”…seriously??? LOL

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> That’s insane. Thanks for the info :slight_smile:

While we’re on the subject, bringing back elites is a ridiculous idea.

#trolling :slight_smile: LOL (don’t report me it’s funny)

I go with both opinions

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> I go with both opinions

:slight_smile: Same. Like most arguments in the forums, both sides generally have valid points.

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> > > When did you start playing Halo? Halo originally had no sprint, adding it was the change. Im not affraid of the change cause ive been through it. And the reason super soldier are putting their guns down is because that allows them to run faster. You dont see Usan Bolt having his arms in a gun position.
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> > I’ve played since CE, thank you very much.
> > So just because it already was like this in previous games makes it not a change? So removing dual wielding wasn’t a change either? Removing loadouts? Removing bloom?
> > As for the “run faster” thing, I have spent the last 50 pages or so disproving this statement. You can run equally as fast with your gun up as with yout gun down. Especially if you’re a genetically and cybernetically enhanced super soldier with a power armor which does all of the heavy-lifting and moving for you.
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> No you cant, have a look at the 100m sprints they are all using technique to run that fast it doesn’t matter if your a super soldier. So lets say that you could have your wish and sprint is removed what would that do for halo?

Ok first off, halo isn’t real… At all… to compare things in real life to halo is absolutely ridiculous!! It’s a video game!!! If you want to make the real life argument, then there are
CRAP LOAD of other things I can bring up as to why can’t we do this or that and so forth. So let’s leave the comparisons to real life out of it shall we? Ok, moving on…

So since it’s a VIDEO GAME, and NOT real life there is no reason why a genetically and cybernetically enhanced super soldier with a power armor can’t run and shoot at the same time I feel. Maybe he/she isn’t as accurate, who knows…but there is no reason why you shouldn’t be able too. I still feel the problem isn’t sprint, it’s the sprint ANIMATION people have an issue with I feel.

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> If you don’t like sprint, don’t use it, and if you see an enemy sprinting…well you know what to do

Not to be that guy, but you have zero proof that it wouldn’t make a difference. The last Halo game that didn’t have sprint is still the highest selling and most popular Halo. I’m not fully against the spirit or the sprint animation but I’m super tired of people saying that style of Halo (1-3) wouldn’t sell/ be popular or how Halo had to change to stay modern and so on… where are these people getting there proof and evidence from??? there isn’t any!! None!!! ZERO!!!

ONLY way you could prove now which people prefer would be to make a good halo game in the halo 1-3 style. See how well it does and go from there. That would settle a lot of these kind of topics.

I’ll just end with with these thoughts… everyone thought 2D style games we’re dead once 3D was invented but games like super Mario maker proved otherwise. Sega fans for YEARS have been telling Sega they want a 2D style Sonic the Hedgehog game like the original ones yet they still haven’t done it and the Sonic games since have been pretty bad sale wise and populaity. Then Along Came Sonic Generations which half of the game is like the old Sonic games and the other is in the new 3D style. Low and behold that Sonic game has sold better than the last who knows how many and been more popular (Half the game in your favorite style is better then nothing I guess) Also if you go on Sonic/Sega forms you’ll see that the majority of people’s favorite part of that game is the 2D style levels not the 3D. Then people go on to say I wish the whole game was 2D. I think it’s pretty clear that the majority of Sonic fans want 2D Style Sonic.

Point is just because something’s old In style doesn’t make it bad or not popular. On the contrary, it seems to be the other way around in a lot of situations.

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> > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
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> not true, the only time you NEED, to sprint, is if you are trying to break a wall in warzone. i have stopped sprinting completely and do just fine.
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> sprint should stay, spartan charge is what needs to leave.
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> not having sprint is not what made halo, halo. the BR, needler, floaty jumps, and spartans, made halo, halo. sprint alone does not make or break halo, the people who can’t get over it, are what breaks halo.

I’d much rather see complaints about spartan charge than complaints about sprinting

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> > > > When did you start playing Halo? Halo originally had no sprint, adding it was the change. Im not affraid of the change cause ive been through it. And the reason super soldier are putting their guns down is because that allows them to run faster. You dont see Usan Bolt having his arms in a gun position.
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> > > I’ve played since CE, thank you very much.
> > > So just because it already was like this in previous games makes it not a change? So removing dual wielding wasn’t a change either? Removing loadouts? Removing bloom?
> > > As for the “run faster” thing, I have spent the last 50 pages or so disproving this statement. You can run equally as fast with your gun up as with yout gun down. Especially if you’re a genetically and cybernetically enhanced super soldier with a power armor which does all of the heavy-lifting and moving for you.
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> > No you cant, have a look at the 100m sprints they are all using technique to run that fast it doesn’t matter if your a super soldier. So lets say that you could have your wish and sprint is removed what would that do for halo?
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> Ok first off, halo isn’t real… At all… to compare things in real life to halo is absolutely ridiculous!! It’s a video game!!! If you want to make the real life argument, then there are
> CRAP LOAD of other things I can bring up as to why can’t we do this or that and so forth. So let’s leave the comparisons to real life out of it shall we? Ok, moving on…
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> So since it’s a VIDEO GAME, and NOT real life there is no reason why a genetically and cybernetically enhanced super soldier with a power armor can’t run and shoot at the same time I feel. Maybe he/she isn’t as accurate, who knows…but there is no reason why you shouldn’t be able too. I still feel the problem isn’t sprint, it’s the sprint ANIMATION people have an issue with I feel.
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> > If you don’t like sprint, don’t use it, and if you see an enemy sprinting…well you know what to do
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> Not to be that guy, but you have zero proof that it wouldn’t make a difference. The last Halo game that didn’t have sprint is still the highest selling and most popular Halo. I’m not fully against the spirit or the sprint animation but I’m super tired of people saying that style of Halo (1-3) wouldn’t sell/ be popular or how Halo had to change to stay modern and so on… where are these people getting there proof and evidence from??? there isn’t any!! None!!! ZERO!!!
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> ONLY way you could prove now which people prefer would be to make a good halo game in the halo 1-3 style. See how well it does and go from there. That would settle a lot of these kind of topics.
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> I’ll just end with with these thoughts… everyone thought 2D style games we’re dead once 3D was invented but games like super Mario maker proved otherwise. Sega fans for YEARS have been telling Sega they want a 2D style Sonic the Hedgehog game like the original ones yet they still haven’t done it and the Sonic games since have been pretty bad sale wise and populaity. Then Along Came Sonic Generations which half of the game is like the old Sonic games and the other is in the new 3D style. Low and behold that Sonic game has sold better than the last who knows how many and been more popular (Half the game in your favorite style is better then nothing I guess) Also if you go on Sonic/Sega forms you’ll see that the majority of people’s favorite part of that game is the 2D style levels not the 3D. Then people go on to say I wish the whole game was 2D. I think it’s pretty clear that the majority of Sonic fans want 2D Style Sonic.
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> Point is just because something’s old In style doesn’t make it bad or not popular. On the contrary, it seems to be the other way around in a lot of situations.

Shh people cant handle logic & reason here :stuck_out_tongue:

On more serious note I hate seeing same arguements for Sprint over & over again, its based that gaems need to bae faster like sanic !!! Or #immersion.

I’d like some one to make actual arguement for Sprint that was based on how it makes Halo more unique from all the CoD clones with Sprint.

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> > > > > The reason why sprint was added to halo was to make it more fast paced. Newer generations of gamers (me included) who didn’t grow up with halo are used to fast paced games such as battlefield, cod, and just about every other fps. It’s hard for a slow paced game like the older halos and even the newer ones to attract the gamers so they added sprint. To be honest I like sprint when I don’t have it I feel like a turtle with a gun. Sure you might not like it but your not everyone. 343 also has to appeal to the newer generations as well.
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> > > > Flawed argument. That’s probably because you haven’t grown up with the older games, so sprint is all you know. Everyone and their mother says the new Doom game is one of the fastest paced games out now and it has no sprint. The masses don’t know what they want, they only think they know, that’s why it’s 343’s job to show you want you want. Making a fast paced game without sprint is insanely easy, but nobody - including the devs - cares to think for themselves.
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> I didn’t misunderstand anything, 343 has updated halo to be a faster pace game, you still need to go for power positions, you still need to get the power weapons and you need to be tactical in how you win. You haven’t even made any statements that say how sprint has effected Halo’s game play. And to state that the masses don’t know what they want is the most arrogant statement on this forum.

I’ve not said how sprint effects the gameplay? Perhaps you you should read the thread. Yeah, click every word, and that’s just the few I could find in this very long thread. You can bet everything you have to say has likely been said already and been talked about by myself and many others (some of whom give better explanations than me).

Perhaps, I should explain in more detail (that’s a single link) why the masses don’t know what they want. It can be arrogant, but it’s still right.

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> > > > > > > The reason why sprint was added to halo was to make it more fast paced. Newer generations of gamers (me included) who didn’t grow up with halo are used to fast paced games such as battlefield, cod, and just about every other fps. It’s hard for a slow paced game like the older halos and even the newer ones to attract the gamers so they added sprint. To be honest I like sprint when I don’t have it I feel like a turtle with a gun. Sure you might not like it but your not everyone. 343 also has to appeal to the newer generations as well.
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> > > > > > Flawed argument. That’s probably because you haven’t grown up with the older games, so sprint is all you know. Everyone and their mother says the new Doom game is one of the fastest paced games out now and it has no sprint. The masses don’t know what they want, they only think they know, that’s why it’s 343’s job to show you want you want. Making a fast paced game without sprint is insanely easy, but nobody - including the devs - cares to think for themselves.
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> > I actually had a discussion relating to this subject two days ago with one of my older brothers, TV-series, or how you want to label them.
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> > The jumping board was Deadpool, a movie so unlike most other mainstream superhero movies, which was a success. People only think they know what they want based on previous experiences.
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> > Sopranos, who would have thought then that a series about a mafia boss who goes to see a psychologist would have become as huge as it did?
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> > What about Breaking Bad and the premisis there?
> > Game of Thrones?
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> > Of course it’s a question about quality in production, but I do not recall “the masses” chanting for a cancer-ill-crystal--Yoink!--cooking-teacher series, or a boy who goes to magic school book series, a reality show where people are shipped to an island and then vote each other out, a series depicting the life of workers in an office.
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> The masses not knowing what they want doesn’t apply to said situation because the masses have already been exposed to both.
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> The masses can choose between option a and b if they have tried both, just not between b and c if they haven’t tried c.

The masses have not been exposed to the modern version of both. A classic style modern Halo wouldn’t look exactly the same as any of the first three games. People always say they don’t want to feel like a turtle, as if it takes any brain power to think of the possibility of just making the player faster than they were in those games (or just widening the FoV so you don’t feel slow, which was Halo 3’s problem). It kind of feeds into my whole point of people not knowing what they want. They don’t know what they want because they don’t even really know what they should expect. They’re basing expectations off of 10-15 year old games.