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> I say OP makes this a poll. I’d like to see the percentages of people that prefer sprint compared to those who don’t.
It is in favor of no sprint.
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> > I say OP makes this a poll. I’d like to see the percentages of people that prefer sprint compared to those who don’t.
>
>
> Here are some polls pertaining to sprint
> now of course you will probably say that these polls don’t mean anything because I’m assuming they are going to be contrary to what you believe, but here they are
>
> Reditt poll
>
> Beyond.net
>
> and finally just for the sake of showing unbiased here is a poll from
> Waypoint You will see that the first two polls show a wide margin of people in favour of having sprint removed compared to staying and in the waypoint poll it’s actually pretty close but still
> slightly in favour for sprint
>
> PS. Polls don’t mean anything
Quite to the contrary; I think sprint should be removed. I am also irrated at the fact that non halo fans are dictating halo’s mechanics. It just goes to show mismanagement of the franchise when you are trying to appeal to a new audience despite it hurting and destroying the fan base they currently have. And you’re right polls mean nothing. It’s hilarious that the polls are so definitive yet 343/Microsoft refuse to adjust the gameplay mechanics to how the fans want them. Polls are meaningless when developers/publishers hold a franchise hostage.
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> > > I say OP makes this a poll. I’d like to see the percentages of people that prefer sprint compared to those who don’t.
> >
> >
> > Here are some polls pertaining to sprint
> > now of course you will probably say that these polls don’t mean anything because I’m assuming they are going to be contrary to what you believe, but here they are
> >
> > Reditt poll
> > Beyond.net
> >
> > and finally just for the sake of showing unbiased here is a poll from
> > Waypoint You will see that the first two polls show a wide margin of people in favour of having sprint removed compared to staying and in the waypoint poll it’s actually pretty close but still
> > slightly in favour for sprint
> >
> > PS. Polls don’t mean anything
>
>
> Quite to the contrary; I think sprint should be removed. I am also irrated at the fact that non halo fans are dictating halo’s mechanics. It just goes to show mismanagement of the franchise when you are trying to appeal to a new audience despite it hurting and destroying the fan base they currently have. And you’re right polls mean nothing. It’s hilarious that the polls are so definitive yet 343/Microsoft refuse to adjust the gameplay mechanics to how the fans want them. Polls are meaningless when developers/publishers hold a franchise hostage.
Then I honestly apologise for making the assumption
i I love how despite those two polls I referenced Quinn del Hoya states that 77% of players polled wanted sprint to remain in the “offical poll” 343 conducted
For referenceThis is is what’s known as selection bias , especially considering there are other polls in other communities which swing as much as 95% in favour of removing sprint
I also enjoyed how during the development of H4 they said that they (343) intentionally hired people who “didn’t like halo”
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This is still a thread??
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> This is still a thread??
Yeah some how it is🤔I think a new halo game should be made with no sprint just to see what would happen, no more thinking just doing. If it works it works, if not oh well they tried.
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NO IT WON’t
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> NO IT WON’t
Do you have any thoughts as to why it won’t?
care to elaborate at all?
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> Do you have any thoughts as to why it won’t?
> care to elaborate at all?
Wouldn’t hold your breath for anything more than “I like it it’s fun”.
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> > > > I say OP makes this a poll. I’d like to see the percentages of people that prefer sprint compared to those who don’t.
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are some polls pertaining to sprint
> > > now of course you will probably say that these polls don’t mean anything because I’m assuming they are going to be contrary to what you believe, but here they are
> > >
> > > Reditt poll
> > > Beyond.net
> > >
> > > and finally just for the sake of showing unbiased here is a poll from
> > > Waypoint You will see that the first two polls show a wide margin of people in favour of having sprint removed compared to staying and in the waypoint poll it’s actually pretty close but still
> > > slightly in favour for sprint
> > >
> > > PS. Polls don’t mean anything
> >
> >
> > Quite to the contrary; I think sprint should be removed. I am also irrated at the fact that non halo fans are dictating halo’s mechanics. It just goes to show mismanagement of the franchise when you are trying to appeal to a new audience despite it hurting and destroying the fan base they currently have. And you’re right polls mean nothing. It’s hilarious that the polls are so definitive yet 343/Microsoft refuse to adjust the gameplay mechanics to how the fans want them. Polls are meaningless when developers/publishers hold a franchise hostage.
>
>
> Then I honestly apologise for making the assumption
>
> i I love how despite those two polls I referenced Quinn del Hoya states that 77% of players polled wanted sprint to remain in the “offical poll” 343 conducted
> For referenceThis is is what’s known as selection bias , especially considering there are other polls in other communities which swing as much as 95% in favour of removing sprint
>
> I also enjoyed how during the development of H4 they said that they (343) intentionally hired people who “didn’t like halo”
It seems pretty blatant that 343 couldn’t give less of a s*** about the majority fanbase. I mean, their franchise director? in his own words, he was literally “the spare monkey who wrote the manuals and helped with marketing” back in the Bungie days. Top notch candidate for the guy who’s running the franchise decisions. Very same guy who said they hired people who hated Halo.
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> Do you have any thoughts as to why it won’t?
> care to elaborate at all?
The Genie is now out of the bottle, if in Halo 6 Sprint, Spartan Charge and other abilities like clamber were removed you would then be playing a different game, you would be back to the core argument of all the supposed “community dividers” Classic Halo Vs New Halo, would classic Halo translate to todays gamers, in a nutshell no. I think Halo is at the moment still different enough from games like COD and Destiny to stand alone as an FPS, it’s a very fine balancing act but Halo 5 still pulls it off, fact it is still Halo and not some generic shooter. Though I am sure sections of the community would beg to differ as is their right. I am what people round these parts call a “Halo Veteran” whether it’s derogatory or otherwise makes no difference to me. I bought the O.G Xbox with Halo in 2001 and have stuck with the series throughout, I remember how messed up Halo 2 was because MS rushed it out, how good Halo 3 was in comparison and playing Reach for the first time and saying WTF is this, this isn’t HALO!!! The campaign was awful but the multiplayer was brilliant once you got used to the changes, Halo 4 was the opposite Great Campaign terrible multiplayer. Halo 5 is in my opinion going in the right direction, again I think MS made the same Dev mistake they did with Halo 2 and wanted the game out before it was ready because of the MCC debacle which could have killed the franchise. If Halo 5 was releasing this October instead of last October with everything that is in the game now available on release it would have been hailed as a major step forward for the Halo brand, but it didn’t and it is what it is.
343 have to look at what they have NOW and apply this to Halo 6, there are still issues with Halo 5 but can you name one game that doesn’t have Issues. I hope, no, I am sure that Halo 6 will be 343’s Halo 3. Mistakes were made by both the publisher and the developer on release of Halo 5 but they have tried their best to rectify them and you have to give them cred for that. This is only one old guy’s opinion, but Halo 6 on the Scorpio? Well you can put me down for a pre order right now. Peace out LBC.
PS Sprint must stay lulz .js
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> > > NO IT WON’t
> >
> >
> > Do you have any thoughts as to why it won’t?
> > care to elaborate at all?
>
>
> The Genie is now out of the bottle, if in Halo 6 Sprint, Spartan Charge and other abilities like clamber were removed you would then be playing a different game, you would be back to the core argument of all the supposed “community dividers” Classic Halo Vs New Halo, would classic Halo translate to todays gamers, in a nutshell no. I think Halo is at the moment still different enough from games like COD and Destiny to stand alone as an FPS, it’s a very fine balancing act but Halo 5 still pulls it off, fact it is still Halo and not some generic shooter. Though I am sure sections of the community would beg to differ as is their right. I am what people round these parts call a “Halo Veteran” whether it’s derogatory or otherwise makes no difference to me. I bought the O.G Xbox with Halo in 2001 and have stuck with the series throughout, I remember how messed up Halo 2 was because MS rushed it out, how good Halo 3 was in comparison and playing Reach for the first time and saying WTF is this, this isn’t HALO!!! The campaign was awful but the multiplayer was brilliant once you got used to the changes, Halo 4 was the opposite Great Campaign terrible multiplayer. Halo 5 is in my opinion going in the right direction, again I think MS made the same Dev mistake they did with Halo 2 and wanted the game out before it was ready because of the MCC debacle which could have killed the franchise. If Halo 5 was releasing this October instead of last October with everything that is in the game now available on release it would have been hailed as a major step forward for the Halo brand, but it didn’t and it is what it is.
> 343 have to look at what they have NOW and apply this to Halo 6, there are still issues with Halo 5 but can you name one game that doesn’t have Issues. I hope, no, I am sure that Halo 6 will be 343’s Halo 3. Mistakes were made by both the publisher and the developer on release of Halo 5 but they have tried their best to rectify them and you have to give them cred for that. This is only one old guy’s opinion, but Halo 6 on the Scorpio? Well you can put me down for a pre order right now. Peace out LBC.
> PS Sprint must stay lulz .js
Why should sprint stay though? Just because of today’s gamers? Solid argument, Captain.
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>
> Do you have any thoughts as to why it won’t?
> care to elaborate at all?
You won’t get a concise argument as to why Sprint benefits Halo…
I’ve seen and made multiple arguments on the topic. The crowd wanting it removed have out-argued every “Halo needs to evolve” or “Sprint makes you go faster” reason I’ve seen thus far.
Just to check on this thread again, are there any good arguments for sprint? If there are, please, bring them to my attention.
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> > > > I enjoy the movement mechanics
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> > >
> > > Vocal minority
> >
> >
> > Irrelevant two word post is irrelevant.
>
>
> Why is it irrelevant
> when ever someone who argues against sprint and lays out clear concise ideas bit by bit as to why it’s bad all we ever get told is that WE are the “vocal minority” and we just need to “adapt” to sprint because they “like the mechanic”
> so why is it relevant then but not relevant now?
It’s just as irrelevant as their claim that anti sprint is the minority. I think it’s been made clear that the only place opinions have in this thread are backed up with plenty of polls, things said by devs, and other facts. I’m against sprint but stooping to their level and making pirely opinion posts won’t get us anywhere.
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> i I love how despite those two polls I referenced Quinn del Hoya states that 77% of players polled wanted sprint to remain in the “offical poll” 343 conducted
> For referenceThis is is what’s known as selection bias , especially considering there are other polls in other communities which swing as much as 95% in favour of removing sprint
Consider that the possibility of selection bias applies equally well to the polls you brought up. I’ve discussed in more depth before why these “other polls” offer a poor survey of what the community at large thinks of sprint. Instead of trying to spin it one way or the other way, we should all admit that we just don’t know.
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> > i I love how despite those two polls I referenced Quinn del Hoya states that 77% of players polled wanted sprint to remain in the “offical poll” 343 conducted
> > For referenceThis is is what’s known as selection bias , especially considering there are other polls in other communities which swing as much as 95% in favour of removing sprint
>
>
> Consider that the possibility of selection bias applies equally well to the polls you brought up. I’ve discussed in more depth before why these “other polls” offer a poor survey of what the community at large thinks of sprint. Instead of trying to spin it one way or the other way, we should all admit that we just don’t know.
That’s completely fair enough, which is why also included a poll from waypoint that was in favour of sprint staying as well and the quote from Quinn
You’re right in the sense that there are no definitive ways to know which way or the other
All we know for sure at this point is for what ever reason the halo franchise can’t maintain a healthy population for longer than six-eight months after its launch (H4, MCC, H5) and these can be attributed to many many different things not solely sprint.
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> > > > I say OP makes this a poll. I’d like to see the percentages of people that prefer sprint compared to those who don’t.
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are some polls pertaining to sprint
> > > now of course you will probably say that these polls don’t mean anything because I’m assuming they are going to be contrary to what you believe, but here they are
> > >
> > > Reditt poll
> > > Beyond.net
> > >
> > > and finally just for the sake of showing unbiased here is a poll from
> > > Waypoint You will see that the first two polls show a wide margin of people in favour of having sprint removed compared to staying and in the waypoint poll it’s actually pretty close but still
> > > slightly in favour for sprint
> > >
> > > PS. Polls don’t mean anything
> >
> >
> > Quite to the contrary; I think sprint should be removed. I am also irrated at the fact that non halo fans are dictating halo’s mechanics. It just goes to show mismanagement of the franchise when you are trying to appeal to a new audience despite it hurting and destroying the fan base they currently have. And you’re right polls mean nothing. It’s hilarious that the polls are so definitive yet 343/Microsoft refuse to adjust the gameplay mechanics to how the fans want them. Polls are meaningless when developers/publishers hold a franchise hostage.
>
>
> Then I honestly apologise for making the assumption
>
> i I love how despite those two polls I referenced Quinn del Hoya states that 77% of players polled wanted sprint to remain in the “offical poll” 343 conducted
> For referenceThis is is what’s known as selection bias , especially considering there are other polls in other communities which swing as much as 95% in favour of removing sprint
>
> I also enjoyed how during the development of H4 they said that they (343) intentionally hired people who “didn’t like halo”
Using polls as a way to design a game is a horrendous strategy.
Let’s say im making a building and I invite 1000 people in to give me their opinions on the building. 900 of these people say it’s amazing. They love it. It looks really cool and fancy. The other 100 say(who just happen to be engineers by trade) tell you that it is structurally flawed, unstable and dangerous. Should I ignore those 100 people because they are in a 90-10% minority? Obviously not.
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> > i I love how despite those two polls I referenced Quinn del Hoya states that 77% of players polled wanted sprint to remain in the “offical poll” 343 conducted
> > For referenceThis is is what’s known as selection bias , especially considering there are other polls in other communities which swing as much as 95% in favour of removing sprint
>
>
> Consider that the possibility of selection bias applies equally well to the polls you brought up. I’ve discussed in more depth before why these “other polls” offer a poor survey of what the community at large thinks of sprint. Instead of trying to spin it one way or the other way, we should all admit that we just don’t know.
True, but using a closed poll that many people even regularly on the forum didn’t know about as support for your side is pretty bad support.
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I’m mostly just surprised this topic is still going lol.
There should be more variety for both groups, those who like sprint and those who don’t. I hate to use COD as an example, but when advanced warfare came out with all its new “enhanced” abilities and modified gameplay, they still kept a playlist for the people who liked the classic COD feel without these mechanics. I feel Halo should do something similar. Stop moving forward without looking back, 343 should be able to satisfy both groups in one game.