The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > - Halo is just fine with sprint or even any spartan abilities,
> > - is just innovation, why is it that bad??
> > - and why the -Yoink- do the people complain about something soooo stupid like removing sprint??
> > - instead of that focus on something that really matters, like that Halo 5 had the worst campaign in the franchise, the play-doh like graphics, the terrible ranking system, the multiple glitches and issues (specially in theater mode) the lack of a sell many reqs option, and it never had splitscreen etc. that stuff matters,
> > - that Halo 5 was a bad game (at least at launch)
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> - Opinion
> - Not all innovation is good.
> - Complaining about sprint would fix a lot of the problems with gameplay in the game.
> - Complaining about sprint doesn’t mean this issues don’t exist.
> - Halo was a mediocre game. It is a 6/10 now and when it was at launch.

  • yeah, it’s just my opinion, but that doesn’t mean it matters less than yours, since the “sprint is bad for Halo” is just an opinion too, there are really no proves of it, what ruined Halo 5 is the other many issues I said in my previous comment, ask anyone why they don’t play Halo 5 anymore and almost anyone would say “because of sprinting”.
  • all innovation is good if you know how to use it correctly, which is exactly what 343i doesn’t know to do, that’s why their things feel so terrible (do you think Halo would still exist today if it never had playable elites, new weapons, new vehicles, infection, griffball, forge, or firefight??, no it wouldn’t and all those things are innovation too, the difference is that Bungie knew how to implement it)
  • does complaining about sprint would fix the many glitches, mediocre story, terrible req system, UI, no splitscreen, or the lack of content at launch??? because I think it doesn’t
  • I know sprint isn’t the only issue for you, but I think (IN MY OPINION) there are most urgent things to fix.
  • I agree with that, it’s better now with their “free DLC” (that are really updates because you can’t play without installing them, that really pisses me off), but I’m still very mad that the game was just like a beta at is launch, it had almost nothing, but actually Microsoft was the one that wanted to release Halo 5 before the other games (even if it wasn’t finished) so Halo 5 became the “big game” but of course it didn’t work, anyway who ever decision was, it was a really huge mistake.
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> > > > > > Why does this forum keep popping-up on popular topics? Sprint is staying. Whether people like it or not.
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> > > > > Then Halo will truly be dead to the core Halo fanbase.
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> > > > Not true.
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> > > How many Halo vets do you know that have only good things to say about Halo 5: Guardians?
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> > Luke The Notable, Proximitty, Ubernick, Pretty much all the guys from chaotix. LNG criticizes halo 5 but he has some nice things to say about it. So plenty of halo youtubers. And dont come back saying “Oh! Well they could be recieving money from 343!” People who say that, just can’t accept that Some people like halo 5.
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> Everyone has different tastes, there’s a reason why I chose to play classic Halo more than any other shooter. Even though I play it, I don’t really like Halo 5 (I started playing when the Firefight Beta came out), and I know that I’m not the only one who feels this way. There’s Act Man, Favyn, Wpns Grade, Bring Halo Back, and probably others who have plenty of bad things to say about how Halo 5 was handled. All of this backlash started way back during the days of Reach. There were some things that were done well, sure, but there were also so many other things that weren’t.

Thank you. That’s a valid point. I’m glad you don’t lash people for liking Halo 5, But this thread has kind or gotten away from the point of this forum.

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Just wondering. You people who don’t like sprint. You explain why sprint isn’t necessary, but you don’t make it clear WHY you don’t like sprint. I’m not trying to start a fight. I just want to know why you people don’t like sprint. I politely ask for respectful replies, please. :slight_smile:

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> Well clearly I see that the vast majority actually likes sprint or wouldn’t care if sprint is removed or not, and when this topic was huge 343i asked the public through the Halo survey, which I am still a part of, and statistics wise there is just a very small minority of people who do not like sprint and you are one of them OP. And as Halo 5 has been played for about a year now, people have gotten even more accustomed to the idea of sprint being in Halo. So sorry that you and a few or many of your friends dislike sprint, but the reality of it is that you anti-sprint haters are still just the minority.
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> The option is out there to run customs without sprint, yet people don’t do it, even though they could and the game still works as old style Halo. Yet HCS does not run these schemes and some pros might not enjoy sprint but they learn and deal with it anyways because it is the game that the biggest majority of people want to watch and play. Sprint very much has amped up the competitive gameplay of Halo a lot, at least with it being involved, but is everything revolved around sprint? Not even close, in fact in a good competitive match, you wont see much sprinting unless people are getting into position quickly while being aware of what is going on. I am a competitive gamer, and a competitive Halo player since Halo 2, so yeah I have grown up without sprint, and to be honest I thought Halo 3 was the best game ever made. But now with Halo 5 and sprint, although that is not really what makes me think this, but I do believe that Halo 5 is now the best game ever made, and the most fun for me to play.
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> Think what you want and ask for what you will, But to put it out there, this is a dead topic, and sprint is not going anywhere.

I don’t hate sprint, I hate how sprint has changed Halo’s map design.

How is it a surprise that people don’t want to pay $60 to make classic Halo maps? I’ve played on Ascension and Guardian, but they aren’t as precise as they were in Halo 2 and Halo 3. How has sprint “amped up” competitive gameplay? Woah now, Halo 3 was very well designed, but I wouldn’t say that it was the best game ever made, and to claim that Halo 5 is better–I’d stop at it being the best Halo since H3. But that’s just me.

I don’t care if sprint stays, what I care about is having at least one classic Halo playlist with fully rendered maps that are designed for that type of gameplay. I’d prefer for Arena to be classic Halo all the way, but I’d settle for an equal split.

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> > > > > > > > > > > They made the Warzone maps stretched out so you would have to use sprint. Not having sprint would basically make Warzone a broken gamemode since the maps were built for it. You nostalgic Halo fans need to suck it up.
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> > > > > > > > > > They could just not stretch the maps. Then you know, they wouldn’t be plagued by people sitting a mile away with rifles and snipers picking you off as you try to cross the mile of no man’s land between every part of the map.
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> > > > > > > > > If you want smaller maps play Arena. Problem solved.
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> > > > > > > > But arena has sprint…
> > > > > > > > So take it out, no bad maps, skillful gameplay, everybody wins!
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> > > > > > > You don’t HAVE to sprint. Just because you don’t want sprint doesn’t mean everybody else doesn’t want it.
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> > > > > > I know I don’t have to sprint. I don’t want my enemies sprinting, because it effects me. Oh, and the vocal majority doesn’t want sprint.
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> > > > > Vocal majority? You mean the majority of those voicing an opinion?
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> > > > > I don’t think that means much at all, unless you can show that this opinion is actually representative of the whole.
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> > > > Neither side can show what the major “likes” and either way it doesn’t matter.
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> > > > “If I would have asked people what they wanted, they would have said “a faster horse””.
> > > > -Henry Ford
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> > > yeah, people are dumb. Which is why this is such a funny conversation.
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> > > I get the distinct feeling a lot of hardcore halo fans are looking to explain why the franchise they so love isnt as popular as before. The answer is undoubtedly more complicated than Sprint or Golden Triangle, but those are the easiest to point to.
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> > Poor map design, yo. That is the single most glaring problem with Halo: Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5.
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> Completely agree. I didnt have too many issues with reach’s maps (none of them made me not want to play), but halo 2 and 3 had some great maps that I sorely miss.
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> I will say that I like the character bungie put into maps. At least reach maps felt like real places. H4 and 5… Those are “generic halo map 1” and “generic halo map 2”…

Lockout, Ascension, Ivory Tower, Turf, Zanzibar, Midship, Waterworks, Headlong–I could go on. As for Reach, maybe it was the FoV, but Reflection honestly felt like it was slightly larger than Ivory Tower. The jumps didn’t feel the same, they were harder to pull off–if not impossible–without sprint. I didn’t play a lot of multiplayer because of the addition of Armor Abilities, they changed the gameplay in a way that I didn’t really care for. The idea sounded cool, but in practice, I found that it was no longer appealing to me.

Don’t get me wrong, the concept and rendering of the maps in Reach was very good, but their design was–lacking. I remember one map in particular that only had one side of it utilized unless it was Invasion. What a waste of memory.

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> > If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> that pretty much sums it up right there. I don’t like a particular type of food, so I just don’t eat it. If you don’t like where the game is headed then stop playing it.

Except not getting power weapons or good positions first isn’t a food.

I probably will stop playing, depending on what Halo 6 brings.

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Can anyone link me posts from 343 in this thread? Thousands upon thousands of posts and if not a single post is from a dev, I’m going to take matters into my own hands

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Sprint clamber and smart scope fits in.
But the like of copy paste Of the Destiny’s Titan Charged and Ground pound.

Halo 5 multiplayer is great but yes there is a big issue call not enough content.

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> I find that it adds a certain speed that was needed. It is a nice change. And as a veteran (14 years now) of the halo series, I can say that I do enjoy halo 5’'s game play. It is the best it has been for a while, in my opinion. Although I do think that every halo game is good.

I respect that. I think that Halo 5 has the best gameplay since Halo 3, but I can’t honestly say that I’m playing Halo.

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> > > - Halo is just fine with sprint or even any spartan abilities,
> > > - is just innovation, why is it that bad??
> > > - and why the -Yoink- do the people complain about something soooo stupid like removing sprint??
> > > - instead of that focus on something that really matters, like that Halo 5 had the worst campaign in the franchise, the play-doh like graphics, the terrible ranking system, the multiple glitches and issues (specially in theater mode) the lack of a sell many reqs option, and it never had splitscreen etc. that stuff matters,
> > > - that Halo 5 was a bad game (at least at launch)
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> >
> >
> > - Opinion
> > - Not all innovation is good.
> > - Complaining about sprint would fix a lot of the problems with gameplay in the game.
> > - Complaining about sprint doesn’t mean this issues don’t exist.
> > - Halo was a mediocre game. It is a 6/10 now and when it was at launch.
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> - yeah, it’s just my opinion, but that doesn’t mean it matters less than yours, since the “sprint is bad for Halo” is just an opinion too, there are really no proves of it, what ruined Halo 5 is the other many issues I said in my previous comment, ask anyone why they don’t play Halo 5 anymore and almost anyone would say “because of sprinting”.
> - all innovation is good if you know how to use it correctly, which is exactly what 343i doesn’t know to do, that’s why their things feel so terrible (do you think Halo would still exist today if it never had playable elites, new weapons, new vehicles, infection, griffball, forge, or firefight??, no it wouldn’t and all those things are innovation too, the difference is that Bungie knew how to implement it)
> - does complaining about sprint would fix the many glitches, mediocre story, terrible req system, UI, no splitscreen, or the lack of content at launch??? because I think it doesn’t
> - I know sprint isn’t the only issue for you, but I think (IN MY OPINION) there are most urgent things to fix.
> - I agree with that, it’s better now with their “free DLC” (that are really updates because you can’t play without installing them, that really pisses me off), but I’m still very mad that the game was just like a beta at is launch, it had almost nothing, but actually Microsoft was the one that wanted to release Halo 5 before the other games (even if it wasn’t finished) so Halo 5 became the “big game” but of course it didn’t work, anyway who ever decision was, it was a really huge mistake.

Number two goes against itself, if only innovation used correctly is good then innovation used incorrectly is bad, meaning some innovation is bad.

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> Just wondering. You people who don’t like sprint. You explain why sprint isn’t necessary, but you don’t make it clear WHY you don’t like sprint. I’m not trying to start a fight. I just want to know why you people don’t like sprint. I politely ask for respectful replies, please. :slight_smile:

Unnecessary changes that move away from the core gameplay of a series, as the title says, are not halo. And many of the points made show how it negatively impacts gameplay, people only show how it’s not needed as a counter point to people who say it’s needed to make the game fast.

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> The new sprinting system needs to stay in Halo because times have changed and gaming is not what it use to be, if other shooter games didnt implement the sprinting system in the past then Halo would of stayed the same because Halo would of had no other movement mechanics to compete against, but because times have changed most games have evolved from their original state, Halo had to take that change in order to be a relevant game, and please dont Say"iv played Halo since Halo CE and that was a great game without sprinting" i would say true but that’s because times where different back then for games. Halo needs to keep its modern element or its going to be regarded as a old shooter with nothing new to it except its story and graphics. Halo has taken this change for the better because i feel like iv had the most fun with Halo 5 compared to other Halo games.

Counterstrike, yo.

Appeal to Novelty, that’s all your argument is.

Why do you think it is that I’d rather play the Master Chief trilogy than the various iterations of Counterstrike?

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> Can anyone link me posts from 343 in this thread? Thousands upon thousands of posts and if not a single post is from a dev, I’m going to take matters into my own hands

Unfortunately 343 usually doesn’t post on waypoint and when they do, its not on contreversial topics like these

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> > > > > > > > > > > > They made the Warzone maps stretched out so you would have to use sprint. Not having sprint would basically make Warzone a broken gamemode since the maps were built for it. You nostalgic Halo fans need to suck it up.
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > They could just not stretch the maps. Then you know, they wouldn’t be plagued by people sitting a mile away with rifles and snipers picking you off as you try to cross the mile of no man’s land between every part of the map.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you want smaller maps play Arena. Problem solved.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But arena has sprint…
> > > > > > > > > So take it out, no bad maps, skillful gameplay, everybody wins!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You don’t HAVE to sprint. Just because you don’t want sprint doesn’t mean everybody else doesn’t want it.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > I know I don’t have to sprint. I don’t want my enemies sprinting, because it effects me. Oh, and the vocal majority doesn’t want sprint.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vocal majority? You mean the majority of those voicing an opinion?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don’t think that means much at all, unless you can show that this opinion is actually representative of the whole.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Neither side can show what the major “likes” and either way it doesn’t matter.
> > > > >
> > > > > “If I would have asked people what they wanted, they would have said “a faster horse””.
> > > > > -Henry Ford
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > yeah, people are dumb. Which is why this is such a funny conversation.
> > > >
> > > > I get the distinct feeling a lot of hardcore halo fans are looking to explain why the franchise they so love isnt as popular as before. The answer is undoubtedly more complicated than Sprint or Golden Triangle, but those are the easiest to point to.
> > >
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> > > Poor map design, yo. That is the single most glaring problem with Halo: Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5.
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> > Completely agree. I didnt have too many issues with reach’s maps (none of them made me not want to play), but halo 2 and 3 had some great maps that I sorely miss.
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> > I will say that I like the character bungie put into maps. At least reach maps felt like real places. H4 and 5… Those are “generic halo map 1” and “generic halo map 2”…
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> Lockout, Ascension, Ivory Tower, Turf, Zanzibar, Midship, Waterworks, Headlong–I could go on. As for Reach, maybe it was the FoV, but Reflection honestly felt like it was slightly larger than Ivory Tower. The jumps didn’t feel the same, they were harder to pull off–if not impossible–without sprint. I didn’t play a lot of multiplayer because of the addition of Armor Abilities, they changed the gameplay in a way that I didn’t really care for. The idea sounded cool, but in practice, I found that it was no longer appealing to me.
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> Don’t get me wrong, the concept and rendering of the maps in Reach was very good, but their design was–lacking. I remember one map in particular that only had one side of it utilized unless it was Invasion. What a waste of memory.

boneyard is that one.

seriously cool map, but wasted space. Backside was only for invasion (and campaign), interior part really only used in campaign. It didn’t even have a good forge palette to work with.

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I’d rather keep sprint, so we’re not as slow as we were in previous Halo games. And the sprint animation actually looks kinda cool. In my opinion.

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> > I find that it adds a certain speed that was needed. It is a nice change. And as a veteran (14 years now) of the halo series, I can say that I do enjoy halo 5’'s game play. It is the best it has been for a while, in my opinion. Although I do think that every halo game is good.
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> I respect that. I think that Halo 5 has the best gameplay since Halo 3, but I can’t honestly say that I’m playing Halo.

This is true for me as well. I tried it, was impressed with the gameplay (and naught else), then went back to my other games where I was actually having fun.

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> I’d rather keep sprint, so we’re not as slow as we were in previous Halo games. And the sprint animation actually looks kinda cool. In my opinion.

Animation is bit odd and clunky…

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> > > > - Halo is just fine with sprint or even any spartan abilities,
> > > > - is just innovation, why is it that bad??
> > > > - and why the -Yoink- do the people complain about something soooo stupid like removing sprint??
> > > > - instead of that focus on something that really matters, like that Halo 5 had the worst campaign in the franchise, the play-doh like graphics, the terrible ranking system, the multiple glitches and issues (specially in theater mode) the lack of a sell many reqs option, and it never had splitscreen etc. that stuff matters,
> > > > - that Halo 5 was a bad game (at least at launch)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Opinion
> > > - Not all innovation is good.
> > > - Complaining about sprint would fix a lot of the problems with gameplay in the game.
> > > - Complaining about sprint doesn’t mean this issues don’t exist.
> > > - Halo was a mediocre game. It is a 6/10 now and when it was at launch.
> >
> >
> >
> > - yeah, it’s just my opinion, but that doesn’t mean it matters less than yours, since the “sprint is bad for Halo” is just an opinion too, there are really no proves of it, what ruined Halo 5 is the other many issues I said in my previous comment, ask anyone why they don’t play Halo 5 anymore and almost anyone would say “because of sprinting”.
> > - all innovation is good if you know how to use it correctly, which is exactly what 343i doesn’t know to do, that’s why their things feel so terrible (do you think Halo would still exist today if it never had playable elites, new weapons, new vehicles, infection, griffball, forge, or firefight??, no it wouldn’t and all those things are innovation too, the difference is that Bungie knew how to implement it)
> > - does complaining about sprint would fix the many glitches, mediocre story, terrible req system, UI, no splitscreen, or the lack of content at launch??? because I think it doesn’t
> > - I know sprint isn’t the only issue for you, but I think (IN MY OPINION) there are most urgent things to fix.
> > - I agree with that, it’s better now with their “free DLC” (that are really updates because you can’t play without installing them, that really pisses me off), but I’m still very mad that the game was just like a beta at is launch, it had almost nothing, but actually Microsoft was the one that wanted to release Halo 5 before the other games (even if it wasn’t finished) so Halo 5 became the “big game” but of course it didn’t work, anyway who ever decision was, it was a really huge mistake.
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> Number two goes against itself, if only innovation used correctly is good then innovation used incorrectly is bad, meaning some innovation is bad.

yes, basicallyI wouldn’t tell that some innovation is bad, basically everything can turn bad if you use incorrectly, but anything is bad itself, it has always a bad and good part, depend on how you use it, for example the req system in Halo 5 is terrible, but it wasn’t a bad idea, if 343i made it separated at least in vehicles, weapons, and customization packs, each one with their repective bronze, silver, and gold packs, and a sell many reqs option the req system qould be much better, req system isn’t a bad idea, but 343i didn’t implement it well, that was what I was refering to

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> > > > > - Halo is just fine with sprint or even any spartan abilities,
> > > > > - is just innovation, why is it that bad??
> > > > > - and why the -Yoink- do the people complain about something soooo stupid like removing sprint??
> > > > > - instead of that focus on something that really matters, like that Halo 5 had the worst campaign in the franchise, the play-doh like graphics, the terrible ranking system, the multiple glitches and issues (specially in theater mode) the lack of a sell many reqs option, and it never had splitscreen etc. that stuff matters,
> > > > > - that Halo 5 was a bad game (at least at launch)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Opinion
> > > > - Not all innovation is good.
> > > > - Complaining about sprint would fix a lot of the problems with gameplay in the game.
> > > > - Complaining about sprint doesn’t mean this issues don’t exist.
> > > > - Halo was a mediocre game. It is a 6/10 now and when it was at launch.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - yeah, it’s just my opinion, but that doesn’t mean it matters less than yours, since the “sprint is bad for Halo” is just an opinion too, there are really no proves of it, what ruined Halo 5 is the other many issues I said in my previous comment, ask anyone why they don’t play Halo 5 anymore and almost anyone would say “because of sprinting”.
> > > - all innovation is good if you know how to use it correctly, which is exactly what 343i doesn’t know to do, that’s why their things feel so terrible (do you think Halo would still exist today if it never had playable elites, new weapons, new vehicles, infection, griffball, forge, or firefight??, no it wouldn’t and all those things are innovation too, the difference is that Bungie knew how to implement it)
> > > - does complaining about sprint would fix the many glitches, mediocre story, terrible req system, UI, no splitscreen, or the lack of content at launch??? because I think it doesn’t
> > > - I know sprint isn’t the only issue for you, but I think (IN MY OPINION) there are most urgent things to fix.
> > > - I agree with that, it’s better now with their “free DLC” (that are really updates because you can’t play without installing them, that really pisses me off), but I’m still very mad that the game was just like a beta at is launch, it had almost nothing, but actually Microsoft was the one that wanted to release Halo 5 before the other games (even if it wasn’t finished) so Halo 5 became the “big game” but of course it didn’t work, anyway who ever decision was, it was a really huge mistake.
> >
> >
> > Number two goes against itself, **if only innovation used correctly is good then innovation used incorrectly is bad,meaning some innovation is bad.
>
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> yes, basicallyI wouldn’t tell that some innovation is bad, basically everything can turn bad if you use incorrectly, but anything is bad itself, it has always a bad and good part, depend on how you use it, for example the req system in Halo 5 is terrible, but it wasn’t a bad idea, if 343i made it separated at least in vehicles, weapons, and customization packs, each one with their repective bronze, silver, and gold packs, and a sell many reqs option the req system qould be much better, req system isn’t a bad idea, but 343i didn’t implement it well, that was what I was refering to

I’m reminded or how sickle cell anemia helps prevent more deaths from malaria than it causes and so is evolutionarily selective in some regions.

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> I’d rather keep sprint, so we’re not as slow as we were in previous Halo games. And the sprint animation actually looks kinda cool. In my opinion.

You don’t need sprint to make the game faster. In fact, it’s probably the lest effective way to do it.