The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > Honestly, I didn’t know that sprint was this big of a deal. Hasn’t really changed gameplay for me that much. I feel shippers of both sides might be over thinking this a little.
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> > > > > > > It’s not a big deal. The 3 or so people writing walls of text in this thread don’t actually play Halo 5.
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> > > > > > I’m going to disregard how big of a fallacy this is and how it indicates that you have no real argument to make and point out that I have played more than 3 times as many games in Halo 5 as you have. So, I guess your posts are objectively worthless and you should just stop wasting everyone’s time.
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> > > > > I didn’t mean to offend you so deeply; you aren’t one of the people I was talking about and I’m sure you’re very passionate about the game. The fact remains: you are the vocal minority.
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> > > > No, we’re the vocal majority. Prove me wrong.
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> > > The proof is in the link in this post I made to you last week. Scroll down and read the Spartan abilities section. There you will see the poll 343 did in the user feedback program were only 11% were strongly against sprint. I think 11% of 100% makes anti sprinters the minority.
> > > Note: I believe it says something like 19,000 people participated in that poll.
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> > This is great, thanks for sharing. 19,000 is probably the largest pool I’ve seen so far, and resoundingly positive results in favor of sprint.
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> I know. It’s the best solid evidence on where the community stand as far as sprint or no sprint goes. Regardless, people will still try to cherry pick facts here or there in an effort to try and make their anti sprint voices heard. It’s fine, and they have the right to do that. I think it’s funny how theses results never get brought up though. Must be because it directly contradicts the anti sprint folks. I bet if these results were reversed though they’d be screaming how legit the results are and how it’s proof the “majority” of people hate sprint.
> Oh well. It’s just a video game and people take this crap way to serious.

I don’t undertsand. You’re the one (and 343 with that poll) that’s cherry picking. When they posted that, 343 literally told us it was those who, “strongly disagree” with sprint. There were five possible answers: “strongly disagree”, “slightly disagree”, “neutral”, “slightly agree”, and “strongly agree”. Why did they only give us one instead of telling us how the community felt as a whole? Or at the very least who “strongly agreed” with sprint? Do you not think for yourself?

It’s like believing Halo 5 is the best selling Halo because of that press release that you didn’t read, but it doesn’t matter you didn’t read it because it had the high number in the headline.

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I don’t remember the exact phrasing but I know for a fact the question wasn’t even “do you like sprint”, it was something along the lines of “do you like to use sprint in Halo”?

It’s still by far the most unbiased poll created though.

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Even though (from what I’ve seen) most people want sprint in Halo, there is a large minority of players who don’t want it. Why doesn’t 343i make a playlist with sprint deactivated? I believe this would satisfy Halo veterans and cut down on all these sprint or no sprint threads on this website. They should have done this at the beginning because at this point, many people have disconnected from the franchise entirely (this includes me for a couple of months). It’s common sense…

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> The “remove sprint” threads will not stop until 2552.

Then let’s ban everyone on the forum until 2552 :smiley:

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> > > > > Honestly, I didn’t know that sprint was this big of a deal. Hasn’t really changed gameplay for me that much. I feel shippers of both sides might be over thinking this a little.
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> > > > It’s not a big deal. The 3 or so people writing walls of text in this thread don’t actually play Halo 5.
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> > > Ignorance gets you nowhere. Yes, believe it or not, we do actually play Halo 5. Some of us even enjoy it. But fact of the matter is that Halo 5 offers a completely different experience to the one we know and love. It’s not that Halo 5 is bad. It’s not that it’s worse than traditional Halo. It’s simply that it isn’t traditional Halo. If Halo 5 were its own IP, that’d be great! Traditional Halo gameplay and modern Halo gameplay could coexist. But, sadly, modern Halo has replaced traditional Halo. And it replacing that experience is a big deal.
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> > Why don’t you play the old Halo’s if you’re looking for that traditional feel? Because it’s old and boring. Every franchise has gone under these changes, you have a little something I like to call nostalgia bias.
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> I do play the older Halos from time to time. Problem is that the community is spread thin across a variety of different titles. Resulting in matches taking longer to find that are full of lag, cheaters, quitters, players who are AFK, etc. Is it nostalgia bias? Maybe. Though even I like some of the new things Halo 5 introduced. Granted, I find some of their implementations to be poor, but I could still see these things working in a more traditional Halo environment if tweaked.
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> Not every franchise has undergone these changes (looking at Doom, Counterstrike, etc). I think you could argue most have, but why does Halo have to? Does adding these flashy new mobility options actually improve Halo’s formula? Or does it change it into a different formula entirely? Does adding these things help distinguish Halo in the market? Or does it become lost in a sea of sameness? You might find traditional Halo old and boring, but I don’t. In fact, isn’t having a ton of shooters following the same trends of mobility more dull to see and play? Wouldn’t ignoring such trends and doing something else actually feel fresh and exciting? Regardless of what you think, I firmly believe there’s plenty of room for improvement and innovation within the constraints of Halo’s traditional formula.
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> Just to make clear, I’m not trying to piss over anyone who enjoys what Halo 5 offers. I will fully admit that Halo 5 is a solid game at its core. It has mechanics that meld well together and I’ve always been fond of the idea, and actual usage, of chaining the different abilities. It’s definitely something I can get behind if this is the direction 343i decides to move forward with. It’s not what I personally want. But if the Halo community at large is happy with it, then I’ll bite my tongue. Though, from what I’ve seen, the community seems pretty fractured as to their feelings about Halo 5. Not all of the arguments are about the enhanced mobility. There’s certainly plenty of other issues the game faces. But I do think talking about mobility, the pace of what a Halo game should be and how that translates to map design, map movement, and combat, is a pretty important discussion. If it wasn’t, then it’d probably have died out long back during the Reach/4 days. It still being an ongoing topic tells me, at least, that it’s still an issue that needs to be looked at more closely and from a more open perspective.

Exactly this! If you enjoy what Halo 5 has to offer, then fine. More power to you if you want to play a game with Halo 5’s mechanics. I’m sure it is a very fun game and if it were it’s own franchise, it would be very unique. However, it isn’t it’s own franchise, it is confined within the Halo franchise because it’s developer, 343 Industries, and it’s publisher, Microsoft, say it is. Because it is part of the Halo franchise, it has some degree of expectation to it to follow a set formula and try not to divert too far from it. In many peoples’ eyes, Halo 5 does just that: divert from the Halo formula, because of the implementation of sprint and most of these other movement abilities that make Halo 5 feel different from Halos past.

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> I don’t remember the exact phrasing but I know for a fact the question wasn’t even “do you like sprint”, it was something along the lines of “do you like to use sprint in Halo”?
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> It’s still by far the most unbiased poll created though.

I don’t doubt that it was unbiased or even an accurate representation of the community. The problem is we don’t know the results and 343 was very biased when they decided to only show one part of them.

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> > > > > > > > > > Why Does anyone care for sprint being in or out? Honestly is matters not, keeping it does not change a thing about Halo, it’s not like in a war you’d be ‘mildly running’ through an area to escape grenades, you’d be sprinting for your life, why should you care so much?
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> > > > > > > > > Why are Spartans, in enclosed areas when an enemy could always be around the corner (as is the situation with every Arena map), ever putting their gun down to sprint? It makes no sense and they could easily be killed because of it. I wanna feel like a Spartan and I can’t feel like a Spartan if I can do stupid things like that. If it doesn’t matter then the devs shouldn’t be wasting time or resources on something that doesn’t matter.
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> > > > > > > > That is one of the stranger arguments for removing sprint i have yet to read.
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> > > > > > > What’s strange about it? I wanna feel like a Spartan, but Spartans would never be so careless when put into situations like that.
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> > > > > > Well thinking about it no one would be stupid enough to allow themselves to die because they simply couldn’t sprint across a path from an enemy, refocus and adjust their attention. Also, I’d like to know why it hurts the lore, oh grand and glorious OP.
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> > > > > You’re so right haha, why would a Spartan NOT run faster to avoid dying? I personally think removing sprint would diminish the “Spartan” feeling. I don’t feel like a Spartan when I can only move at the speed of a brisk jog everywhere I go.
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> > > > > Sprint was a good addition to the game period. From a Lore aspect, and gameplay aspect, and really just a common sense aspect.
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> > > > > Im still just shocked that something like sprint would make people not want to play the game anymore. Like I said before, sprint is supposed to be used tactically. Go into a high onyx/champ game and tell me how well you end up doing by sprinting everywhere you go. For the most part, People who sprint endlessly wherever they go will always get wrecked and never get past Plat ranks.
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> > > > > Sprint is here, and should be here to stay. Learn to use it wisely, and learn to beat those who don’t use it wisely.
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> > > > THANK YOUI! A spark of insight! One of many I’m sure I’m just going off of ILockout’s example.
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> > > You sir are a comedian. It has more cons than pros. And no, it didn’t make sense. Why change something that does not need to be changed?
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> > Because it is used tactically. Sprinting is not a problem in any way. Why do people dislike it? You wouldn’t have a simple jog through a F*CKING WARZONE FULL OF SLAUGHTER. You’d quickly make your way over to an area. And I mean QUICKLY.
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> > It is absolutely illogical to remove sprint, your arguments are quite invalid I’d say. But if you truly dislike sprint, you can always return to your grand and glorious Halo 3.
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> I will return. When enough players leave, 343 will now they messed up and remove sprint, because who else would buy their games? It is absolutely illogical to include sprint. Your arguments are quite invalid. It seems I got the last laugh.

One of these guys is pissed off…and I don’t know why. Ain’t no one attacking Halo 5, we are questioning the “forced”/“wanted” addition of sprint and if removing it would return the franchise to the prestige it originally held.

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Reported for stat-flaming.

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Forget it. It’s never going away. Sprint has never detracted from the gameplay in any way, and I don’t understand why people continue to complain about it.

The only problem with Sprint in Halo 5 is the reduced motion tracker range, which makes it all too easy for sprinters to catch you off-guard; especially with the addition of Spartan Charge. They bring the motion tracker range back up 25m at least, and that problem is solved.

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Because pointing out that someone has never played a game before is stat-flaming. HOLY ALSDKJFLASKDJFALSDKJF
Reported for being a -Yoink!-.
lololololol rekt m9

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> Forget it. It’s never going away. Sprint has never detracted from the gameplay in any way, and I don’t understand why people continue to complain about it.
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> The only problem with Sprint in Halo 5 is the reduced motion tracker range, which makes it all too easy for sprinters to catch you off-guard; especially with the addition of Spartan Charge. They bring the motion tracker range back up 25m at least, and that problem is solved.

You really don’t understand or you just clicked page 36 after scanning the first few words of the OP? Like your opinion is fine and well here, but how do you start off with “I don’t understand why people continue to complain about it” when there’s at least 35 pages worth of posts for and against it…

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> I don’t remember the exact phrasing but I know for a fact the question wasn’t even “do you like sprint”, it was something along the lines of “do you like to use sprint in Halo”?
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> It’s still by far the most unbiased poll created though.

I would argue that most if not all community polls on waypoint are less biased than the community feedback program. At least those have no restrictions for participants. I have already mentioned this in the past, but 343 themselves selects the participants behind the scenes based on some unknown criteria. People got rejected from signing up because of bogus made-up reasons, and even those who participate are not guaranteed to be included in the actual polls. I’m a member for a year-ish and I still haven’t received a single survey…

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> Because pointing out that someone has never played a game before is stat-flaming. HOLY ALSDKJFLASKDJFALSDKJF you are CLUELESS. You are actually so clueless it hurts.
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> lololololol rekt m9

Actually, yes, that is stat-flaming.
It is also a wrong conclusion. Just because I have not played the game on this account does not mean I have not played the game at all.

Reported for trolling.

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> > > > > The only game that changed team before fixes were implemented was Reach. Are you new to this?
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> > Because pointing out that someone has never played a game before is stat-flaming. HOLY ALSDKJFLASKDJFALSDKJF you are CLUELESS. You are actually so clueless it hurts.
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> > lololololol rekt m9
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> Actually, yes, that is stat-flaming.
> It is also a wrong conclusion. Just because I have not played the game on this account does not mean I have not played the game at all.
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Reported for engaging a Troll

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> > Because pointing out that someone has never played a game before is stat-flaming. HOLY ALSDKJFLASKDJFALSDKJF you are CLUELESS. You are actually so clueless it hurts.
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> Actually, yes, that is stat-flaming.
> It is also a wrong conclusion. Just because I have not played the game on this account does not mean I have not played the game at all.
> Reported for trolling.

No. Stat flaming would be me calling someone trash because they have a neg KD, neg W/L, no 50, never been a champ etc. LITERALLY insulting someone using their stats as the basis of the argument.
Reported for cluelessness.

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> > > Because pointing out that someone has never played a game before is stat-flaming. HOLY ALSDKJFLASKDJFALSDKJF you are CLUELESS. You are actually so clueless it hurts.
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> > Actually, yes, that is stat-flaming.
> > It is also a wrong conclusion. Just because I have not played the game on this account does not mean I have not played the game at all.
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True, I probably should have refrained from doing so.
Then again, if nobody ever points out this fallacy it will never go away.
But I guess from here on out I will use the report-system without drawing anymore attention to it.

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I didn’t even know there was a survey until after the update with some of the results. It certainly seemed weird that the only sprint poll on the internet where sprint won was the one poll whose results weren’t publicly available to see. Don’t know why they can’t make it easier for people to partake in it.

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The spartan charge can go. But not sprint.

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Sprint makes halo great remove it and the community will drop dead, and I’ll stop playing

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> > > > > > > > It’s not a big deal. The 3 or so people writing walls of text in this thread don’t actually play Halo 5.
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> > > > > > > I’m going to disregard how big of a fallacy this is and how it indicates that you have no real argument to make and point out that I have played more than 3 times as many games in Halo 5 as you have. So, I guess your posts are objectively worthless and you should just stop wasting everyone’s time.
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> > > > > > I didn’t mean to offend you so deeply; you aren’t one of the people I was talking about and I’m sure you’re very passionate about the game. The fact remains: you are the vocal minority.
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> > > > > No, we’re the vocal majority. Prove me wrong.
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> > > > The proof is in the link in this post I made to you last week. Scroll down and read the Spartan abilities section. There you will see the poll 343 did in the user feedback program were only 11% were strongly against sprint. I think 11% of 100% makes anti sprinters the minority.
> > > > Note: I believe it says something like 19,000 people participated in that poll.
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> > > This is great, thanks for sharing. 19,000 is probably the largest pool I’ve seen so far, and resoundingly positive results in favor of sprint.
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> > I know. It’s the best solid evidence on where the community stand as far as sprint or no sprint goes. Regardless, people will still try to cherry pick facts here or there in an effort to try and make their anti sprint voices heard. It’s fine, and they have the right to do that. I think it’s funny how theses results never get brought up though. Must be because it directly contradicts the anti sprint folks. I bet if these results were reversed though they’d be screaming how legit the results are and how it’s proof the “majority” of people hate sprint.
> > Oh well. It’s just a video game and people take this crap way to serious.
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> It’s like believing Halo 5 is the best selling Halo because of that press release that you didn’t read, but it doesn’t matter you didn’t read it because it had the high number in the headline.

Yeah seriously. Also I’m a member of the feedback program and I received no notice of this poll until after it had already concluded. Why did they hide this poll?