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As if their lack of activity in their own forums isn’t indication enough. Anyone remember Frankie? I miss Frankie
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> > > > > > I got it. That statistic was based on monthly active users, which means if I sat on the h5 home screen for a second any time in the month I count as a user. Monthly active users is considered a very unreliable way of population counting because a month is a long time, and playing for an short amount of time like an hour in that month doesn’t amount to anything considerable with monthly updates, it just shows that monthly updates got people to come back for a little while, check out the new stuff and leave again. How do I know that people were only checking out the updates for short periods of time? If we use the most played list, which we have to since 343 hasn’t put in a population counter (weird huh?) we can compare h5s standing on that list with games around it that do have population counters, using bf4 which halo 5 floats around consistantly we can estimate a population of 30 to 40 thousand on average at any given time. That’s very low for a AAA title 8 months after release, halo 3 was more than tripling that two years after release. As for Zr0Fear not having any games played I can’t speak for him but I’m assuming he plays xbox on a diffrent account because he’s to knowledgable on the game and it’s gameplay to not play it.
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> > > > > So how is that constructive criticism? People are like I prefer sprint. They don’t need a reason, makes the game more… whats the word… FUN. I got no problems finding matches, I got no problems playing with sprint, played the halo’s without sprint, had fun, won games. Had LAN parties with houses full of people as a teen. Again, I posted ideas of what I think would add to the game, and some of it ended up in updates. These tiresome threads of how -insert whatever here- is ruining Halo is pure whining. Especially from people who don’t even play. The game is successful, made millions of dollars, got rid of draining people’s money with DLC. If it was half as bad as ya’ll made it out to be they would have cut updates short and abandoned ship. Yo I preordered Duke Nukem forever, don’t talk to me about epic let downs from games past. Bottom line is I hope they don’t listen to you haters and work on the story, not the MP mechanics.
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> > > > Your entire post completely avoided the point where you obliviously called someone else out then got proved wrong hard. Dismissing all criticism as haters won’t get you anywhere, and my post wasn’t even critizing 343 except for their lack of a population counter, it was disproving how you sek emed to think h5 has a massive population. Halo 5s unit sales are only estimated at 5 million, and in their first week cash sales they included all h5 related hardware, toys, and just evreything h5 related and they were still low numbers for a AAA game. You clearly missed the part where I mentioned him using a diffrent account for waypoint and either way he’s more than knowledgable enough to make much more reasonable points than you have. This is a forum, “it’s my opinion” doesn’t cut it here, it’s educated opinions based on facts and statistics, otherwise your unbased opinion doesn’t really matter. Next
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> > > Gee his halo score seems to be in the 2k range… I really could give a hoot what the population is unless it effects me finding games, what am I some how benefiting on the fact that the pop would be 10 million some crazy way? There is a lot of good games out man, how are you shocked that there is pop flux? Destiny took a serious hit when Halo 5 came out, I had friends swear up and down it halo wouldn’t make a dent and they sulked on over into my fireteam. it works all across the board. I put video illustrations up on how the movement system allows me to flow across the map, you can’t get power weapons fast enough? you gotta adjust to how the game is played. All AAA games are up against eachother because quite frankly its too expensive for everyone to just be like, why not just buy them all and pick which one i like the best. I’ve given all my reasons and don’t need to repeat myself. I will again lobby for
> > > DUAL THUMBSTICK EXTRA SPRINT (Duration 2sec) FOR HALO 6!!!
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> > Once again you made a completely diffrent argument rather then the one we were actually discussing, if you think sprint makes the game flow faster read more of this thread, because there are easily over a hundred essay sized posts linking videos and other sources explaining in quite a bit of detail why your wrong, please also Google AAA games that came out in 2007/2010 if you think halo 5 has so much more competition, it has nothing to do with adjusting, this forum is here for discussion about what we like and don’t like in the game, I’m not just going to “adapt” to playing something me and millions of others don’t want. And population matters quite a bit because it measures the success of a game, changes in gameplay like sprint are clearly a large factor in that sales drop, more sales means a more successful halo franchise which is good for everybody, and right now 343 is going down a path that leads to low sales and failure of the franchise.
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You keep making unbased claims like this, look at sprint polls made around reach and 4, look at the sales decline from reach to 5, then look at sprint polls made around h5, somethings up there, seems like, you know, a few million people left the franchise, but according to you that dosn’t matter because h5 is doing great with its landmark low sales and horrible population
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I know you’re really passionate about sprint being in Halo, but I think this post has gone on long enough. Maybe it wouldn’t hurt to ask 343i to add in few classic playlists to cater to those that don’t want sprint. You never know it might actually bring back some players to Halo. 
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The point is that such a thing should be unspoken: this is Halo. Where’s King of the Hill? Oddball? etc. It’s almost like 343i is trying to change the franchise for good, adopting quantity over quality.
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I assume a classic playlist at this point is a little too late to gain any sort of foot hold or traction.
Both Halo Reach and Halo 4 introduced some sort of Classic / Legacy / Old-School playlist way into their lifespan. Most who might have had interest for such a playlist long gone. Many not keeping tabs on Halo news to hear about such a playlist.
Best bet for a classic playlist is at launch, however if you look at how it works, it’s very unlikely they’ll ever implement such a playlist at launch because they want to promote their new way of playing the game. Look at the convenient delay of BTB and the still lacking BTB developer built maps.
This subject is rather touchy, and highly subjective. Others view sprinting as a detriment to an otherwise optimal system, and others thing contrary. However, in Halo 5 they implemented further use for sprint (Spartan charge, that is). Although traditionally Halo did not have sprint, it is a feature that they have placed in the game and there is a place for it in the more modern games. Looking back at halo 3, it was rather slow paced. You had your Primary weapon, secondary weapon, a wide verity of grenades, and a large selection of equipment (e.x Bubble shield, Regeneration field, ect.) And the combination of those features made the game play interesting. But the game does need to evolve, and what better way to do that then implementing small and convenient features that keep the game play interesting. However displeasing my opinion may be to some, just hold on for a moment. Sprinting speeds up a traditionally rather sluggish game play (And that is not bad.) into a very fast paced game. But the sprint and thrust pack does add more options when it comes to tactical maneuvers. It makes it easier to flank enemies, and retreat when necessary. Another note; Sprinting in a slayer match will decrease your performance, as it does take time for you to stop and raise your weapon. But that is just my opinion. Further thoughts?
Not necessarily, you see if you have checked ultimate halos youtube video, then you would know that you can play halo 5 arena without having to sprint and still play at the same skill level. and even if halo 6 is to remove sprint, it still wouldn’t be the original halo because of other features in the game, and you do realize that reach brought it in right?
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> This subject is rather touchy, and highly subjective. Others view sprinting as a detriment to an otherwise optimal system, and others thing contrary. However, in Halo 5 they implemented further use for sprint (Spartan charge, that is). Although traditionally Halo did not have sprint, it is a feature that they have placed in the game and there is a place for it in the more modern games. Looking back at halo 3, it was rather slow paced. You had your Primary weapon, secondary weapon, a wide verity of grenades, and a large selection of equipment (e.x Bubble shield, Regeneration field, ect.) And the combination of those features made the game play interesting. But the game does need to evolve, and what better way to do that then implementing small and convenient features that keep the game play interesting. However displeasing my opinion may be to some, just hold on for a moment. Sprinting speeds up a traditionally rather sluggish game play (And that is not bad.) into a very fast paced game. But the sprint and thrust pack does add more options when it comes to tactical maneuvers. It makes it easier to flank enemies, and retreat when necessary. Another note; Sprinting in a slayer match will decrease your performance, as it does take time for you to stop and raise your weapon. But that is just my opinion. Further thoughts?
wait, so you either like sprint/hate it/or just don’t really want to involve hate or likes about it?
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> Not necessarily, you see if you have checked ultimate halos youtube video, then you would know that you can play halo 5 arena without having to sprint and still play at the same skill level. and even if halo 6 is to remove sprint, it still wouldn’t be the original halo because of other features in the game, and you do realize that reach brought it in right?
IF SOMEONE TELLS ME TO WATCH THAT VIDEO ONE MORE -Yoinking!- TIME I’M GONNA HURT SOMEONE
That video is complete -Yoink-, if YOU don’t sprint, when everyone else sprints, WHERE ARE ALL YOUR POWERWEAPONS GOING TO BE??? TELL ME? GO ON TELL ME? What don’t you know?
Cause everyone is sprinting and going faster than you, they are going to get the power weapons and out play you. You need to sprint in halo, when sprint is a feature.
Sprint is down right bad for halo, plus why did we need it. We could go as fast as we could in halo 3 with our gun up.
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Halo is pretty much dead. Look at popular channels like FBWalshy, which has uploaded in a year.
Look at popular youtube channels like machinima? Remember, they used to be all halo. What about rooster teeth? They’ve moved on too.
Look at twitch, even destiny gets more viewers, halo 5 gets probably 1K viewers a day.
Halo is a dead man walking to be honest.
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> That video is complete -Yoink-, if YOU don’t sprint, when everyone else sprints, WHERE ARE ALL YOUR POWERWEAPONS GOING TO BE??? TELL ME? GO ON TELL ME? What don’t you know?
> Cause everyone is sprinting and going faster than you, they are going to get the power weapons and out play you. You need to sprint in halo, when sprint is a feature.
> Sprint is down right bad for halo, plus why did we need it. We could go as fast as we could in halo 3 with our gun up.
cracks fingers and places fingers on keyboard firmly, then starts typing rapidly then tell me this, if you are more focused by your surroundings then you are able to evade danger before they even bring it to you. oh and watch the video the video by ultimate halo, i think you were being sarcastic so im just gonna tell you again (sarcasm)
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> > > Not necessarily, you see if you have checked ultimate halos youtube video, then you would know that you can play halo 5 arena without having to sprint and still play at the same skill level. and even if halo 6 is to remove sprint, it still wouldn’t be the original halo because of other features in the game, and you do realize that reach brought it in right?
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> > That video is complete -Yoink-, if YOU don’t sprint, when everyone else sprints, WHERE ARE ALL YOUR POWERWEAPONS GOING TO BE??? TELL ME? GO ON TELL ME? What don’t you know?
> > Cause everyone is sprinting and going faster than you, they are going to get the power weapons and out play you. You need to sprint in halo, when sprint is a feature.
> > Sprint is down right bad for halo, plus why did we need it. We could go as fast as we could in halo 3 with our gun up.
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You can’t be serious, finding an argument when you say, “don’t sprint, if you don’t like it”
What the hell is spartan charge? if someone just supposedly runs around the corner with a shotgun, they’ve picked up with the assist of sprint, you aren’t going to stand a chance, no matter how much “environmental awareness.” You have. Honestly if you try to debate that with me, you are going to have a hard time.
Ultimate halo is a halo fanboy, supports every step 343 takes and doesn’t say anything about it.
He tells you MCC was never broken
He tells you halo 4 was competitive.
He tells you Halo 5 is the best halo ever.
These people never learn
EDIT: Ok, I read that post twice, and I don’t know what you mean in your last sentance so I’m gonna keep my post regardless.
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> > > That video is complete -Yoink-, if YOU don’t sprint, when everyone else sprints, WHERE ARE ALL YOUR POWERWEAPONS GOING TO BE??? TELL ME? GO ON TELL ME? What don’t you know?
> > > Cause everyone is sprinting and going faster than you, they are going to get the power weapons and out play you. You need to sprint in halo, when sprint is a feature.
> > > Sprint is down right bad for halo, plus why did we need it. We could go as fast as we could in halo 3 with our gun up.
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> What the hell is spartan charge? if someone just supposedly runs around the corner with a shotgun, they’ve picked up with the assist of sprint, you aren’t going to stand a chance, no matter how much “environmental awareness.” You have. Honestly if you try to debate that with me, you are going to have a hard time.
The point that you have your profile picture from a h4 trailer and yet you said and i quote “Halo is pretty much dead” and anyway even if thats the case, like i said it still takes them time to stop bring there weapon up and pull the trigger. get the logic right my friend, oh and i ain’t gonna say it once or twice, but here. go and watch ultimate halo’s video, heres the link - YouTube
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> > > > > Not necessarily, you see if you have checked ultimate halos youtube video, then you would know that you can play halo 5 arena without having to sprint and still play at the same skill level. and even if halo 6 is to remove sprint, it still wouldn’t be the original halo because of other features in the game, and you do realize that reach brought it in right?
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> > > > That video is complete -Yoink-, if YOU don’t sprint, when everyone else sprints, WHERE ARE ALL YOUR POWERWEAPONS GOING TO BE??? TELL ME? GO ON TELL ME? What don’t you know?
> > > > Cause everyone is sprinting and going faster than you, they are going to get the power weapons and out play you. You need to sprint in halo, when sprint is a feature.
> > > > Sprint is down right bad for halo, plus why did we need it. We could go as fast as we could in halo 3 with our gun up.
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> > What the hell is spartan charge? if someone just supposedly runs around the corner with a shotgun, they’ve picked up with the assist of sprint, you aren’t going to stand a chance, no matter how much “environmental awareness.” You have. Honestly if you try to debate that with me, you are going to have a hard time.
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I’ve watched the video in the past.
You’re in denial, you are acting all smart and you don’t have proper evidence so you tell me to watch the video I already have
Halo would be halo again if it was BUNGIE. Sprint was used in Halo Reach, the game created by BUNGIE. Therefore, Sprint should stay.
And dang this post is probably most discussed one I’ve read on forums.
HEU HEUH HEU
hhey guts, todai i saa mai favorite red-tuber talk bout sprint, so hear is mai oponion.
I tink sprint is gut, but u don’t ned to use it Bcus you will be ready all the tim. If u dunt like it, dunt use it.
This is what I’m having to deal with now. The logic going through people’s minds just because a youtuber said it doesn’t mean it is correct. How about people who support the claim, actually study the video, break it down, and then give me solid evidence.
If you don’t know, there is something called logical ignorance. This is basically, when you see something that isn’t correct and you try and you try and you try so hard to make it look right, that you spew every little piece of made up evidence you can find to support your claim. Does anyone want to carry on?
I can debate this all day.
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Personally I’m not more focused on my surroundings when not-sprinting, I pay the same amount of attention to what’s happening, the difference is the ready-up time between sprint and combat.
However that’s besides the point.
Provided you’d play against a team equal of your skill and you play at such a level of skill where game imbalances start showing more because players know what they’re actually doing, not sprinting is going to leave you handicapped.
Opponents will reach power weapons faster than you and be able to set up around that location uncontested.
Opponents can more safely get away, reinforce team mates, score objectives, secure power positions far better than anyone who does not sprint because speed is important, and if you do not utilise it, you are going to miss out.
Not sprinting does not nullify any of the static things sprint alter in the game such as map size, it does not prevent others from sprinting, it does not mean I do not experience the negatives of people sprinting.
You don’t think opponents who notice you do not sprint in any situation will take the huge advantage of you handicapping yourself?
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Thanks for responding tsassi I realise that my statement does not make complete sense but all I meant is their appears to be a correlation between drastic gameplay changes and lower population, but as you said the opposite response is also possible. I can imagine that 343i would have compiled information relevant to the subject so I trust the correct decisions are being made.