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> The fact that four-way symmetrical maps can’t exist in Halo 5 is proof sprint has taken core Halo gameplay out of the equation.
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> Anyone remember Warlock? It was THE competitive map (besides lockout), capable of hosting flag, slayer and oddball game types. That arena was so well connected, that lowering your weapon for movement cannot work. This in my opinion was core Halo.
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> High base movespeed > Sprint
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> The fact that clambering, and hit marker mechanics aren’t under as much scrutiny somewhat proves that my community isn’t just letting off hot air, but trying to right a year’s long mistake.
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> Just to entertain the “Spartans should be able to run fast argument”; wouldn’t an augmented human be able to maintain an incredibly fast cruising speed while keeping their weapon level?
This is why I hate the “oh you guys just hate change!!” Arguement. If we just hate all change then why is sprint the ONLY mechanic that receives this much scrutiny?
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> > > > > I don’t think Halo would be as realistic without sprint. I mean, what’s a SPARTAN if he/she can’t sprint.
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> > > > this ain’t about being a spartan, this is about a game. A GAME. This ain’t a book. That’s like me saying, what’s a human if he can’t get out of his car in forza.
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> > > It’s like saying you can pile your car up into a wall and sustain no damage. It’s like saying you can run full speed and dual fire smgs which was thankfully removed. Getting out of your car is a terrible comaparison for an actual game mechanic.
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> > I can’t go prone, I can’t take my helmet off, my radar is smaller than it used to be, I can’t recharge my shields while sprinting, buck takes a scat-shot to the face, dies and comes right back, vehicles have unlimited ammo, Etc. 0/10.
> > Could we at this point agree that the realism argument might not be the best one?
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> Taking your helmet off? Hua? Going prone? I mean good put it in there, it would get you merc’d every time. I’d probably bag you too. This is the third time you have said something about talking your helmet off. For you, I suggest we ask 343i to add dpad down for remove helmet for this guy and let’s say 1/4 shields. That would make me happy. In fact if we was up by 10 I would take my helmet off just to make it that much more embarrassing for you on the victory animation.
You still don’t understand what they are trying to point out. They are telling you realism arguement like why can’t my Spartan run is very bad in video game. This is not a simulator. If you didn’t know in original Halo games, you were sprinting, the base movement was you running. So it was realistically right that people cared so much about. Sprint is not necesaary.
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Are people still whining about sprint. Like dude it’s sprint almost every game has it. I mean what a pointless argument with so many dumb excuses. My favorite excuse so far is its game braking.-Yoink-. I already saw the it helps good player get the drop on less skilled players. Well buddy pay attention to your radar then They won’t get the jump on you ya -Yoink- it’s not that they are better it’s you weren’t paying attention to the pretty red dot in the well sized circle in the corner of you screen. Another is stretched out maps. A lot of the maps seem pretty small in arena. Not including btb or warzone. The maps seem pretty close to halo 3 sized maps. So I don’t know who’s -Yoink- that one crawled out of. Just people whine and moaning about sprint. Sprint is fine it works maybe you should complain about Microsoft butting in on halos production and forcing 343 to half fast halo(no split screen) so Microsoft can make money faster. Overall halo 5’s mp seems solid as of now. Fun game play. That’s all that should matter. Have fun the whole point of the invention of videogames. Stop crying about sprint it’s in every most games today. Seems like just a pointless argument cry babies whine about in forums for more than 300 pages.
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> Are people still whining about sprint. Like dude it’s sprint almost every game has it. I mean what a pointless argument with so many dumb excuses. My favorite excuse so far is its game braking.-Yoink-. I already saw the it helps good player get the drop on less skilled players. Well buddy pay attention to your radar then They won’t get the jump on you ya -Yoink- it’s not that they are better it’s you weren’t paying attention to the pretty red dot in the well sized circle in the corner of you screen. Another is stretched out maps. A lot of the maps seem pretty small in arena. Not including btb or warzone. The maps seem pretty close to halo 3 sized maps. So I don’t know who’s -Yoink- that one crawled out of. Just people whine and moaning about sprint. Sprint is fine it works maybe you should complain about Microsoft butting in on halos production and forcing 343 to half fast halo(split screen) so Microsoft can make money faster. Overall halo 5’s mp seems solid as of now. Fun game play. That’s all that should matter. Have fun the whole point of the invention of videogames. Stop crying about sprint it’s in every most games today.
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> Are people still whining about sprint. Like dude it’s sprint almost every game has it. I mean what a pointless argument with so many dumb excuses. My favorite excuse so far is its game braking.-Yoink-. I already saw the it helps good player get the drop on less skilled players. Well buddy pay attention to your radar then They won’t get the jump on you ya -Yoink- it’s not that they are better it’s you weren’t paying attention to the pretty red dot in the well sized circle in the corner of you screen. Another is stretched out maps. A lot of the maps seem pretty small in arena. Not including btb or warzone. The maps seem pretty close to halo 3 sized maps. So I don’t know who’s -Yoink- that one crawled out of. Just people whine and moaning about sprint. Sprint is fine it works maybe you should complain about Microsoft butting in on halos production and forcing 343 to half fast halo(split screen) so Microsoft can make money faster. Overall halo 5’s mp seems solid as of now. Fun game play. That’s all that should matter. Have fun the whole point of the invention of videogames. Stop crying about sprint it’s in every most games today.
Judging by your post, you know a thing or two about that.
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> > > > > I don’t think Halo would be as realistic without sprint. I mean, what’s a SPARTAN if he/she can’t sprint.
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> > > > this ain’t about being a spartan, this is about a game. A GAME. This ain’t a book. That’s like me saying, what’s a human if he can’t get out of his car in forza.
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> > > It’s like saying you can pile your car up into a wall and sustain no damage. It’s like saying you can run full speed and dual fire smgs which was thankfully removed. Getting out of your car is a terrible comaparison for an actual game mechanic.
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> > I can’t go prone, I can’t take my helmet off, my radar is smaller than it used to be, I can’t recharge my shields while sprinting, buck takes a scat-shot to the face, dies and comes right back, vehicles have unlimited ammo, Etc. 0/10.
> > Could we at this point agree that the realism argument might not be the best one?
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> to a point its fine. If realism isnt necessary than it would be fine for spartans to fly and shoot lasers out of their butts if the gameplay is good.
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> when a game ruins the suspension of disbelief we have a problem. No one realistically expects to exit a car while racing… But increasing speed to get to an objective in a shooter? maybe.
I think he’s exaggerating to make a point. But really, where do we draw the line? Certainly, if we were to go with realism, almost all human weapons in Halo would be practically worthless, whereas Covenant weapons would be completely overpowered, with Plasma Pistol killing an unshielded player in one or two hits. If we have sprint and crouch already, the ability to go prone isn’t too much asked for more realism. Actually, neither is the ability to peek behind corners. Then we have the problems that ammo left in magazine is magically retained while reloading, and vehicles have infinite ammo. These are all problems with realism that are as reasonable as caring about whether the player needs to put down their weapon while sprinting or not. But it is for some odd reason that these things aren’t necessary for some people to suspend their disbelief, but add sprint and suddenly they’re so much more immersed in the game.
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> > Are people still whining about sprint. Like dude it’s sprint almost every game has it. I mean what a pointless argument with so many dumb excuses. My favorite excuse so far is its game braking.-Yoink-. I already saw the it helps good player get the drop on less skilled players. Well buddy pay attention to your radar then They won’t get the jump on you ya -Yoink- it’s not that they are better it’s you weren’t paying attention to the pretty red dot in the well sized circle in the corner of you screen. Another is stretched out maps. A lot of the maps seem pretty small in arena. Not including btb or warzone. The maps seem pretty close to halo 3 sized maps. So I don’t know who’s -Yoink- that one crawled out of. Just people whine and moaning about sprint. Sprint is fine it works maybe you should complain about Microsoft butting in on halos production and forcing 343 to half fast halo(split screen) so Microsoft can make money faster. Overall halo 5’s mp seems solid as of now. Fun game play. That’s all that should matter. Have fun the whole point of the invention of videogames. Stop crying about sprint it’s in every most games today.
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> Judging by your post, you know a thing or two about that.
I really don’t care about sprint if it’s in the game or not so be it. I just feel the whole argument b.s and people should stop whining about it. Instead of dragging on a thread for more than 300 pages like damn how long has this thread been active. But seriously I fell the argument is pointless.
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> > > > > > I don’t think Halo would be as realistic without sprint. I mean, what’s a SPARTAN if he/she can’t sprint.
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> > > > > this ain’t about being a spartan, this is about a game. A GAME. This ain’t a book. That’s like me saying, what’s a human if he can’t get out of his car in forza.
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> > > > It’s like saying you can pile your car up into a wall and sustain no damage. It’s like saying you can run full speed and dual fire smgs which was thankfully removed. Getting out of your car is a terrible comaparison for an actual game mechanic.
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> > > I can’t go prone, I can’t take my helmet off, my radar is smaller than it used to be, I can’t recharge my shields while sprinting, buck takes a scat-shot to the face, dies and comes right back, vehicles have unlimited ammo, Etc. 0/10.
> > > Could we at this point agree that the realism argument might not be the best one?
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> > to a point its fine. If realism isnt necessary than it would be fine for spartans to fly and shoot lasers out of their butts if the gameplay is good.
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> > when a game ruins the suspension of disbelief we have a problem. No one realistically expects to exit a car while racing… But increasing speed to get to an objective in a shooter? maybe.
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> I think he’s exaggerating to make a point. But really, where do we draw the line? Certainly, if we were to go with realism, almost all human weapons in Halo would be practically worthless, whereas Covenant weapons would be completely overpowered, with Plasma Pistol killing an unshielded player in one or two hits. If we have sprint and crouch already, the ability to go prone isn’t too much asked for more realism. Actually, neither is the ability to peek behind corners. Then we have the problems that ammo left in magazine is magically retained while reloading, and vehicles have infinite ammo. These are all problems with realism that are as reasonable as caring about whether the player needs to put down their weapon while sprinting or not. But it is for some odd reason that these things aren’t necessary for some people to suspend their disbelief, but add sprint and suddenly they’re so much more immersed in the game.
I will argue that when the game feels stupid, then we have crossed the line. If a feature feels stupid like infinite ammo or having to walk, that is still acceptable, but when the whole game feels stupid we have crossed the line. If the game is marketed in a plants vs zombies/sunset overdrive style, then it’s ok. Because then you shouldn’t expect a serious game. But when does the game feel stupid? I don’t think that it is debate we should be having because it ends when someone says: “I disagree”. Instead we could talk about how sprint effects the gameplay and if it adds depth to the game.
We’re about to be 350 pages into a topic that 343 won’t sticky for some reason (that tank master rok topic was stickied for months, why?).
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the devs desperately want future halos to be distinct under their brand, regardless if they turn it into an abomination as long as people know it’s 343i’s abomination (the desperate attempts to change the poster child Spartan also prove this, as long as it’s John, it’s the spirit of bungie).
I’m going to continue to pick up my copies of halo used to keep from doubling up their income. You won’t listen to MY community, you won’t get MY money. Simple.
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> > I can’t go prone, I can’t take my helmet off, my radar is smaller than it used to be, I can’t recharge my shields while sprinting, buck takes a scat-shot to the face, dies and comes right back, vehicles have unlimited ammo, Etc. 0/10.
> > Could we at this point agree that the realism argument might not be the best one?
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> Taking your helmet off? Hua? Going prone? I mean good put it in there, it would get you merc’d every time. I’d probably bag you too. This is the third time you have said something about talking your helmet off. For you, I suggest we ask 343i to add dpad down for remove helmet for this guy and let’s say 1/4 shields. That would make me happy. In fact if we was up by 10 I would take my helmet off just to make it that much more embarrassing for you on the victory animation.
I was joking, but I’m sure you already knew that. But the reason I used the removal of helmet as an examble is that they have so much incommon. Both abilities are realistic and optional to use but neither one of them adds actual depth to the gameplay. The same is true for GP, clamber, charge, slide and thruster pack.
Removing sprint? doesn’t make since that future super soldiers cant run. and now that they have already implemented it, removing it wuld kill halo for me personally.
Sprint is in all modern gams and while those game modes where great in 1-3 they where also slow and that wont hold over with the current generation of gamers/players and most certainly not the next. halo is and always has been a game of innovation and excitement what you should be focusing on is what can be added/brought back (duel wielding cough cough) that no other game has or douse not use effectively to reignite the innovation of halo
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> Sprint is in all modern gams and while those game modes where great in 1-3 they where also slow and that wont hold over with the current generation of gamers/players and most certainly not the next. halo is and always has been a game of innovation and excitement what you should be focusing on is what can be added/brought back (duel wielding cough cough) that no other game has or douse not use effectively to reignite the innovation of halo
Had 343 kept dual wielding, yes it would’ve be the perfect counter to sprinting. This however, was a bungie mechanic, and therefore will not be shared into their echo chamber.
I had Halo 3 for a competitive arena
I had Modern Warfare to run and gun
I had Gears of War for the gruesome combination.
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> Removing sprint? doesn’t make since that future super soldiers cant run. and now that they have already implemented it, removing it wuld kill halo for me personally.
Removing sprint will be revival of Halo for most people.
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> You want super soldiers to walk?
Why everyone thinks base movement is walking? In Halo, base movement is suppose to be running or jogging. The reason why ADS was not a thing in Halo, it is because your Spartans were aiming at their eyes all the time. Sprint and ADS were there as basic mechanic of the game. Not as ability.
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> Sprint is in all modern gams and while those game modes where great in 1-3 they where also slow and that wont hold over with the current generation of gamers/players and most certainly not the next. halo is and always has been a game of innovation and excitement what you should be focusing on is what can be added/brought back (duel wielding cough cough) that no other game has or douse not use effectively to reignite the innovation of halo
It being in most (not all) other modern shooters is not an argument. Why does it benefit the gameplay? That’s the only thing that matters when adding a mechanic.
You literally give that as the reason why it should be included right before saying innovation should be the priority. Doing what other games do just because other games do it is not innovation.
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> I don’t think you even need to invoke any kind of scale arguments. It’s just a classic case of glass half full, glass half empty. Either you think sprint allows you to run faster than usual, or you think it prevents you from firing your weapons while running at full speed.
If the glass is full, and you drink half, then the glass is half empty.
If the glass is empty, and the fill it half way up, then the glass is half full.
But what if you have one glass that’s half full? and one that’s half empty? yet they are the same glass? I’m on of the people who’s a bit drawn between the 2. On one hand, I loved the classic golden triangle, but on the other hand, I love sprint too, yet they don’t really work the best together. There needs to be some sort of a middle ground.
Obvious solution would be to just do a classic variant of every playlist, e.g: Big Team Battle. Classic Big Team Battle. Team Objectives. Classic Team Objectives.
Though from my personal experience, i’ve never seen many people complain that the classic formula was bad, just that it was slow. Maybe a return to classic with increased speed settings would appease most people, who knows. An experiment 343 could run with a temp playlist on Halo 5 perhaps??