The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > I am very tired of this topic. I cannot believe that we still need to explain why sprint is bad for Halo. Did we get any good reason that tells us why sprint is good for Halo? Nope, still getting replies like “Halo needs to evolve” and “I like sprint”.
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> > > > > > You say it like its fact and that it’s bad for people to have their own opinion. People can’t just like anything anymore , there has to be a science behind why you like something or it’s meaningless.
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> > > > > > Whether we keep or discard sprint, I don’t give a -Yoink-. But people need to start developing an open mind
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> > > > > It’s in the game. “Just because” isn’t enough to add anything to the game. Why does it benefit the gameplay?
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> > > > The benefit is that it’s fun for people
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> > > Why?
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> > Not sure if you’re trollin, but I can’t put a reason behind fun.
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> > I could never ever explain why i think football and wrestling are fun. Those 2 sports just click inside my brain and I get a joy out of playing them. And I think that’s the way it’s suppose to be, the second you need a reason behind why anything is fun for you. I believe that’s when it officially stops being fun
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> Can’t even think of a reason as to why it’s fun. I can’t say I’m surprised.
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> You probably should’ve stayed away from this thread, because the pro-sprint crowd that are actually discussing this are explaining themselves a lot better than you. You’re making it look like they’re completely clueless. You don’t know why it’s fun, which means you can’t even be sure you would dislike the removal of sprint.

You obviously haven’t read my original post where it says, I don’t give a -Yoink- about sprint. And you’re a fine example of someone that can’t accept people’s opinion of joy without there being a reason. That was the point I was making.

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> > > > > > > > I am very tired of this topic. I cannot believe that we still need to explain why sprint is bad for Halo. Did we get any good reason that tells us why sprint is good for Halo? Nope, still getting replies like “Halo needs to evolve” and “I like sprint”.
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> > > > > > > You say it like its fact and that it’s bad for people to have their own opinion. People can’t just like anything anymore , there has to be a science behind why you like something or it’s meaningless.
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> > > > > > > Whether we keep or discard sprint, I don’t give a -Yoink-. But people need to start developing an open mind
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> > > > > > It’s in the game. “Just because” isn’t enough to add anything to the game. Why does it benefit the gameplay?
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> > > > > The benefit is that it’s fun for people
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> > > > Why?
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> > > Not sure if you’re trollin, but I can’t put a reason behind fun.
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> > > I could never ever explain why i think football and wrestling are fun. Those 2 sports just click inside my brain and I get a joy out of playing them. And I think that’s the way it’s suppose to be, the second you need a reason behind why anything is fun for you. I believe that’s when it officially stops being fun
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> > Can’t even think of a reason as to why it’s fun. I can’t say I’m surprised.
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> > You probably should’ve stayed away from this thread, because the pro-sprint crowd that are actually discussing this are explaining themselves a lot better than you. You’re making it look like they’re completely clueless. You don’t know why it’s fun, which means you can’t even be sure you would dislike the removal of sprint.
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> You obviously haven’t read my original post where it says, I don’t give a -Yoink- about sprint. And you’re a fine example of someone that can’t accept people’s opinion of joy without there being a reason. That was the only point I was making

I see, so you don’t care about sprint, you’re just speaking for the people that do and portraying them as a bunch of know-nothings that have no idea what they’re talking about. Yeah, they were definitely better off without you.

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> > > > > > > > I am very tired of this topic. I cannot believe that we still need to explain why sprint is bad for Halo. Did we get any good reason that tells us why sprint is good for Halo? Nope, still getting replies like “Halo needs to evolve” and “I like sprint”.
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> > > > > > > You say it like its fact and that it’s bad for people to have their own opinion. People can’t just like anything anymore , there has to be a science behind why you like something or it’s meaningless.
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> > > > > > > Whether we keep or discard sprint, I don’t give a -Yoink-. But people need to start developing an open mind
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> > > > > > It’s in the game. “Just because” isn’t enough to add anything to the game. Why does it benefit the gameplay?
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> > > > > The benefit is that it’s fun for people
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> > > > Why?
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> > > Not sure if you’re trollin, but I can’t put a reason behind fun.
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> > > I could never ever explain why i think football and wrestling are fun. Those 2 sports just click inside my brain and I get a joy out of playing them. And I think that’s the way it’s suppose to be, the second you need a reason behind why anything is fun for you. I believe that’s when it officially stops being fun
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> > Can’t even think of a reason as to why it’s fun. I can’t say I’m surprised.
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> > You probably should’ve stayed away from this thread, because the pro-sprint crowd that are actually discussing this are explaining themselves a lot better than you. You’re making it look like they’re completely clueless. You don’t know why it’s fun, which means you can’t even be sure you would dislike the removal of sprint.
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> You obviously haven’t read my original post where it says, I don’t give a -Yoink- about sprint. And you’re a fine example of someone that can’t accept people’s opinion of joy without there being a reason. That was the point I was making

Why are you on a discussion forum if you wish to make no points or arguments to support the opinion you hold? It’s not like you are adding anything to the conversation.

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> > > > > > > > > I am very tired of this topic. I cannot believe that we still need to explain why sprint is bad for Halo. Did we get any good reason that tells us why sprint is good for Halo? Nope, still getting replies like “Halo needs to evolve” and “I like sprint”.
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> > > > > > > > You say it like its fact and that it’s bad for people to have their own opinion. People can’t just like anything anymore , there has to be a science behind why you like something or it’s meaningless.
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> > > > > > > > Whether we keep or discard sprint, I don’t give a -Yoink-. But people need to start developing an open mind
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> > > > > > > It’s in the game. “Just because” isn’t enough to add anything to the game. Why does it benefit the gameplay?
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> > > > > > The benefit is that it’s fun for people
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> > > > > Why?
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> > > > Not sure if you’re trollin, but I can’t put a reason behind fun.
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> > > > I could never ever explain why i think football and wrestling are fun. Those 2 sports just click inside my brain and I get a joy out of playing them. And I think that’s the way it’s suppose to be, the second you need a reason behind why anything is fun for you. I believe that’s when it officially stops being fun
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> > > Can’t even think of a reason as to why it’s fun. I can’t say I’m surprised.
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> > > You probably should’ve stayed away from this thread, because the pro-sprint crowd that are actually discussing this are explaining themselves a lot better than you. You’re making it look like they’re completely clueless. You don’t know why it’s fun, which means you can’t even be sure you would dislike the removal of sprint.
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> > You obviously haven’t read my original post where it says, I don’t give a -Yoink- about sprint. And you’re a fine example of someone that can’t accept people’s opinion of joy without there being a reason. That was the only point I was making
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> I see, so you don’t care about sprint, you’re just speaking for the people that do and portraying them as a bunch of know-nothings that have no idea what they’re talking about. Yeah, they were definitely better off without you.

Not portraying anyone. You should really learn reading comprehension before flapping gums.My point is, that everything in life now requires a science behind it as to why it’s fun or it’s meaningless. That’s all , but people like you will always find a way to twist words

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> > > > Id rather keep sprint.
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> > > same, I dont understand why people really dislike sprint. I always find it so useful when trying to get to certain areas during campaigns and online games.
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> > Because it shouldn’t be in halo, oh wait you like getting to places quicker?
> > Then how about we make maps shorter and the base movement speed quicker, then you won’t be needing sprint anymore.
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> still, sprint isn’t bad, it means I can get to cover quickly rather than slowly walking over to cover

This is a little unfair. If sprint wasn’t in the game the cover would be closer and the weapons would have less range. If you wanted to move further you could use teamwork, throw grenades, peak-shot or do something like get a power-drain, do a double shot, give your team-mate a random spawn, Etc.

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> > > > > > > > > I am very tired of this topic. I cannot believe that we still need to explain why sprint is bad for Halo. Did we get any good reason that tells us why sprint is good for Halo? Nope, still getting replies like “Halo needs to evolve” and “I like sprint”.
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> > > > > > > > You say it like its fact and that it’s bad for people to have their own opinion. People can’t just like anything anymore , there has to be a science behind why you like something or it’s meaningless.
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> > > > > > > > Whether we keep or discard sprint, I don’t give a -Yoink-. But people need to start developing an open mind
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> > > > > > > It’s in the game. “Just because” isn’t enough to add anything to the game. Why does it benefit the gameplay?
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> > > > > > The benefit is that it’s fun for people
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> > > > > Why?
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> > > > Not sure if you’re trollin, but I can’t put a reason behind fun.
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> > > > I could never ever explain why i think football and wrestling are fun. Those 2 sports just click inside my brain and I get a joy out of playing them. And I think that’s the way it’s suppose to be, the second you need a reason behind why anything is fun for you. I believe that’s when it officially stops being fun
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> > > Can’t even think of a reason as to why it’s fun. I can’t say I’m surprised.
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> > > You probably should’ve stayed away from this thread, because the pro-sprint crowd that are actually discussing this are explaining themselves a lot better than you. You’re making it look like they’re completely clueless. You don’t know why it’s fun, which means you can’t even be sure you would dislike the removal of sprint.
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> > You obviously haven’t read my original post where it says, I don’t give a -Yoink- about sprint. And you’re a fine example of someone that can’t accept people’s opinion of joy without there being a reason. That was the only point I was making
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> I see, so you don’t care about sprint, you’re just speaking for the people that do and portraying them as a bunch of know-nothings that have no idea what they’re talking about. Yeah, they were definitely better off without you.

I agree 100% with Asian Santa. It’s hilarious how antisprinters like zrofear accept no reason why some one prefers sprint… the only reason they need is they like it. Why do they need more? It’s like trying to tell some one why green can’t be their favorite color or why pineapples shouldn’t go pizza… if some one likes it they like it… I would try to support anti sprint a bit more but most who are antisprint are yoinks. I was just playing some H2A and H2 in MCC last night and it was fun to play. Just like H5 has been fun to play.

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> > > > > Id rather keep sprint.
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> > > > same, I dont understand why people really dislike sprint. I always find it so useful when trying to get to certain areas during campaigns and online games.
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> > > Because it shouldn’t be in halo, oh wait you like getting to places quicker?
> > > Then how about we make maps shorter and the base movement speed quicker, then you won’t be needing sprint anymore.
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> > still, sprint isn’t bad, it means I can get to cover quickly rather than slowly walking over to cover
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> This is a little unfair. If sprint wasn’t in the game the cover would be closer and the weapons would have less range. If you wanted to move further you could use teamwork, throw grenades, peak-shot or do something like get a power-drain, do a double shot, give your team-mate a random spawn, Etc.

yes, but I still dont see why people hate it so much, it doesn’t disadvantage anyone so what’s wrong with it?

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> > > > > > > > > > I am very tired of this topic. I cannot believe that we still need to explain why sprint is bad for Halo. Did we get any good reason that tells us why sprint is good for Halo? Nope, still getting replies like “Halo needs to evolve” and “I like sprint”.
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> > > > > > > > > You say it like its fact and that it’s bad for people to have their own opinion. People can’t just like anything anymore , there has to be a science behind why you like something or it’s meaningless.
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> > > > > > > > > Whether we keep or discard sprint, I don’t give a -Yoink-. But people need to start developing an open mind
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> > > > > > > > It’s in the game. “Just because” isn’t enough to add anything to the game. Why does it benefit the gameplay?
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> > > > > > > The benefit is that it’s fun for people
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> > > > > > Why?
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> > > > > Not sure if you’re trollin, but I can’t put a reason behind fun.
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> > > > > I could never ever explain why i think football and wrestling are fun. Those 2 sports just click inside my brain and I get a joy out of playing them. And I think that’s the way it’s suppose to be, the second you need a reason behind why anything is fun for you. I believe that’s when it officially stops being fun
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> > > > Can’t even think of a reason as to why it’s fun. I can’t say I’m surprised.
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> > > > You probably should’ve stayed away from this thread, because the pro-sprint crowd that are actually discussing this are explaining themselves a lot better than you. You’re making it look like they’re completely clueless. You don’t know why it’s fun, which means you can’t even be sure you would dislike the removal of sprint.
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> > > You obviously haven’t read my original post where it says, I don’t give a -Yoink- about sprint. And you’re a fine example of someone that can’t accept people’s opinion of joy without there being a reason. That was the only point I was making
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> > I see, so you don’t care about sprint, you’re just speaking for the people that do and portraying them as a bunch of know-nothings that have no idea what they’re talking about. Yeah, they were definitely better off without you.
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> Not portraying anyone. You should really learn reading comprehension before flapping gums.My point is, that everything in life now requires a science behind it as to why it’s fun or it’s meaningless. That’s all , but people like you will always find a way to twist words

You are portraying them that way. There are pro-sprinters that have participated in this discussion at least trying to explain why they like sprint or why it benefits the gameplay, because they are capable of critical thinking, which I’m sure you would be surprised to hear since you’re acting like they can’t think for themselves.

The people that don’t know why it’s fun and/or benfitial should have no say one way or the other because it means that they can’t even know if they would dislike the lack of sprint in the next game. The masses don’t know what they want, they only think they do. They have to be shown what they want because if it were up to them, nothing would ever change.

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> Sprinting allows players to navigate maps faster. It adds a bit of realism aka immersion to the game.

I kind of agree with the rest of the post, except three things. No debate is ever useless to have, and these two I left in the quote.

The first is of course true. If you have a game with no sprint and slap sprint on it, then you’ll probably go faster. However as has been pointed out, how fast you get somewhere is a matter of how the map is structured regardless of sprinting or not. Not to mention that there are other options that have been used and some other ideas out there that could be fun to explore which also allow you to travel the map faster. Examples are teleporters, travelators and man cannons, still to explore would be portals akin to Portal the game, fusion between portals and teleporters. Mechanical arms that grab and take the player on a set rail from one location to another (brainstorming).

Now of course there are those arguing for the risk vs rewaed with sprint, mobility or offensive capabilities. Well you do have to acknowledge that there are other ways to achieve that attribute, the risk vs reward that is. A longer more safe path vs a short but dangerous path, built into the map. Here I’d argue that the map built part would promote skill more, or different usage of it rather than the locked in thing sprint has.

Let me explain. If I were to choose the shorter but more dangerous path I have the ability to make it across using my skill in movement to avoid enemy fire, I can return good enough supressive fire or even killing shots in order to make it safer, or a mixture of both.
People will of course disagree with this, but with sprint you risk yourself for added mobility at the expense of your offensive capabilities in order to navigate the map faster. Movement and combat skill come into play more when you disengage sprint and engage an opponent. You can’t really battle the risk vs reward as it is setup with sprint as opposed to the example I set up earlier. There is no tipping the odds in your favour with the RvR with sprint as opposed to a built in RvR in a map. The RvR with sprint is built into sprint and I as a player has to choose that and live with that choice as opposed to overcoming a risk with my skills. I certainly do not know of any skill I have where I can overcome the risk of better map navigation at the expense of my offensive capabilities in the same way as a map built RvR. One is a mechanically built RvR, the other is reliant on player participation and confrontation. If anything of this makes sense.

The other thing I’ve been thinking about quite a lot recently is immersion. I certainly do not agree that immersion is realism, or known as realism.
I’d place immersion on how well “invested” you get with the game, how you lose yourself into the game, the avatar you are controlling is you. I also think that immersion is personal, some are more immersed in games than others. I can agree that realism can contribute to immersion, but that again is how we percieve the world, and our knowledge around it, which is again individual. Obscure games such as Sacrifice and Giants: Citizen Kabuto are my favourites and I must say those games are more immersive to me than Halo 5 is, despite all the realism Halo 5 sports over those two combined.

My physics teacher told the class once:
“Nothing takes you out of a good faster than knowledge, I saw a Babylon 5 movie yesterday, and I got pulled right out of it when the captain of a large spaceship told the crew to fasten their seatbelts because it’s going to be a bumpy ride, then the ship went through a nebula. Yes, it’ll surely shake up a large tank when it drives 80 km/h through a large swarm of mosquitos”

The spartan high fives and such in the Beta was to me unimmersive because I’m not like that, and that’s not how I see spartans, and the Spartan I’m supposed to be went ahead with fist bumps, high fives and whatnot.

So, immersion is not realism, however immersion can be achieved for some with aspects of realism. To me though, realism isn’t needed for immersion, I wouldn’t even say it adds to the immersion for me.

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> > Sprint shouldn’t be in the game.
> > Pro-sprinters please learn why it is better to play without sprint, as it provides a much better experience.
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> Here’s the thing. That’s your opinion there and thousands of halo players that disagree and there are thousands of players that agree. However, you don’t get to tell people what they think would peovide a begter experience. Go play halos CE-reach

Go play halos reach-5 for sprint, don’t play h6 if you don’t like it.

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> > > > > > Id rather keep sprint.
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> > > > > same, I dont understand why people really dislike sprint. I always find it so useful when trying to get to certain areas during campaigns and online games.
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> > > > Because it shouldn’t be in halo, oh wait you like getting to places quicker?
> > > > Then how about we make maps shorter and the base movement speed quicker, then you won’t be needing sprint anymore.
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> > > still, sprint isn’t bad, it means I can get to cover quickly rather than slowly walking over to cover
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> > This is a little unfair. If sprint wasn’t in the game the cover would be closer and the weapons would have less range. If you wanted to move further you could use teamwork, throw grenades, peak-shot or do something like get a power-drain, do a double shot, give your team-mate a random spawn, Etc.
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> yes, but I still dont see why people hate it so much, it doesn’t disadvantage anyone so what’s wrong with it?

Good question. Because it is easy mode. See when you can just sprint there is no reason to use teamshot, callout’s and perfectly excecuted
player rotations to move from cover to cover double/peek shooting while deflecting grenades off of walls and constantly giving your team-mate randoms(if they were in the newer halos). Instead you can just sprint to where you wanna be. On of these experiences is rewarding, intense and interesting. The other one isn’t. Sprint also makes it easy to escape bad positions which discouraged good positioning. Because why would you want be in good position when you’re not rewarded for it, because everyone who’s in a bad position just runs away from you. It encourages double melees and charges which take no skill, when shooting does. It causes bad pacing. With sprint there isn’t a way to predict map flow. This is because the maps are designed around sprinting but not around combat. Did you know that H2 was supposed to have sprint, but it was cut early in development because of pacing issues? These are the problems I see with sprint. Other people my try something like “the golden triangle”- argument, but I don’t believe in the golden triangle. I think sprint hutts the game in other ways. But that’s the thing, sprint makes the game easy and surface level, which means it makes the game more boring.

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> > > > > > > > > > I am very tired of this topic. I cannot believe that we still need to explain why sprint is bad for Halo. Did we get any good reason that tells us why sprint is good for Halo? Nope, still getting replies like “Halo needs to evolve” and “I like sprint”.
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> > > > > > > > > You say it like its fact and that it’s bad for people to have their own opinion. People can’t just like anything anymore , there has to be a science behind why you like something or it’s meaningless.
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> > > > > > > > > Whether we keep or discard sprint, I don’t give a -Yoink-. But people need to start developing an open mind
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> > > > > > > > It’s in the game. “Just because” isn’t enough to add anything to the game. Why does it benefit the gameplay?
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> > > > > > > The benefit is that it’s fun for people
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> > > > > > Why?
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> > > > > Not sure if you’re trollin, but I can’t put a reason behind fun.
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> > > > > I could never ever explain why i think football and wrestling are fun. Those 2 sports just click inside my brain and I get a joy out of playing them. And I think that’s the way it’s suppose to be, the second you need a reason behind why anything is fun for you. I believe that’s when it officially stops being fun
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> > > > Can’t even think of a reason as to why it’s fun. I can’t say I’m surprised.
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> > > > You probably should’ve stayed away from this thread, because the pro-sprint crowd that are actually discussing this are explaining themselves a lot better than you. You’re making it look like they’re completely clueless. You don’t know why it’s fun, which means you can’t even be sure you would dislike the removal of sprint.
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> > > You obviously haven’t read my original post where it says, I don’t give a -Yoink- about sprint. And you’re a fine example of someone that can’t accept people’s opinion of joy without there being a reason. That was the only point I was making
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> > I see, so you don’t care about sprint, you’re just speaking for the people that do and portraying them as a bunch of know-nothings that have no idea what they’re talking about. Yeah, they were definitely better off without you.
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> I agree 100% with Asian Santa. It’s hilarious how antisprinters like zrofear accept no reason why some one prefers sprint… the only reason they need is they like it. Why do they need more? It’s like trying to tell some one why green can’t be their favorite color or why pineapples shouldn’t go pizza… if some one likes it they like it… I would try to support anti sprint a bit more but most who are antisprint are yoinks. I was just playing some H2A and H2 in MCC last night and it was fun to play. Just like H5 has been fun to play.

Because this as a forum where we discuss the halo games, what we like, don’t like, and want changed. If all you have is a generic opinion then you don’t need to be here where other people are acually making and rebutting points. If you can’t explain why sprint is good then why do you want it over no sprint, seems quite a bit like people not wanting change from the norm or having the misconception that no sprint makes games slow.

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> > > > > > > Id rather keep sprint.
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> > > > > > same, I dont understand why people really dislike sprint. I always find it so useful when trying to get to certain areas during campaigns and online games.
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> > > > > Because it shouldn’t be in halo, oh wait you like getting to places quicker?
> > > > > Then how about we make maps shorter and the base movement speed quicker, then you won’t be needing sprint anymore.
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> > > > still, sprint isn’t bad, it means I can get to cover quickly rather than slowly walking over to cover
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> > > This is a little unfair. If sprint wasn’t in the game the cover would be closer and the weapons would have less range. If you wanted to move further you could use teamwork, throw grenades, peak-shot or do something like get a power-drain, do a double shot, give your team-mate a random spawn, Etc.
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> > yes, but I still dont see why people hate it so much, it doesn’t disadvantage anyone so what’s wrong with it?
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> Good question. Because it is easy mode. See when you can just sprint there is no reason to use teamshot, callout’s and perfectly excecuted
> player rotations to move from cover to cover double/peek shooting while deflecting grenades off of walls and constantly giving your team-mate randoms(if they were in the newer halos). Instead you can just sprint to where you wanna be. On of these experiences is rewarding, intense and interesting. The other one isn’t. Sprint also makes it easy to escape bad positions which discouraged good positioning. Because why would you want be in good position when you’re not rewarded for it, because everyone who’s in a bad position just runs away from you. It encourages double melees and charges which take no skill, when shooting does. It causes bad pacing. With sprint there isn’t a way to predict map flow. This is because the maps are designed around sprinting but not around combat. Did you know that H2 was supposed to have sprint, but it was cut early in development because of pacing issues? These are the problems I see with sprint. Other people my try something like “the golden triangle”- argument, but I don’t believe in the golden triangle. I think sprint hutts the game in other ways. But that’s the thing, sprint makes the game easy and surface level, which means it makes the game more boring.

well, sprint is really useful when playing alone, cause I don’t have to slowly wonder to the spot I wanna go, I kinda get why people dislike it in multiplayer but still I find it really helpful.

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> > > > > > > > Id rather keep sprint.
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> > > > > > > same, I dont understand why people really dislike sprint. I always find it so useful when trying to get to certain areas during campaigns and online games.
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> > > > > > Because it shouldn’t be in halo, oh wait you like getting to places quicker?
> > > > > > Then how about we make maps shorter and the base movement speed quicker, then you won’t be needing sprint anymore.
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> > > > > still, sprint isn’t bad, it means I can get to cover quickly rather than slowly walking over to cover
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> > > > This is a little unfair. If sprint wasn’t in the game the cover would be closer and the weapons would have less range. If you wanted to move further you could use teamwork, throw grenades, peak-shot or do something like get a power-drain, do a double shot, give your team-mate a random spawn, Etc.
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> > > yes, but I still dont see why people hate it so much, it doesn’t disadvantage anyone so what’s wrong with it?
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> > Good question. Because it is easy mode. See when you can just sprint there is no reason to use teamshot, callout’s and perfectly excecuted
> > player rotations to move from cover to cover double/peek shooting while deflecting grenades off of walls and constantly giving your team-mate randoms(if they were in the newer halos). Instead you can just sprint to where you wanna be. On of these experiences is rewarding, intense and interesting. The other one isn’t. Sprint also makes it easy to escape bad positions which discouraged good positioning. Because why would you want be in good position when you’re not rewarded for it, because everyone who’s in a bad position just runs away from you. It encourages double melees and charges which take no skill, when shooting does. It causes bad pacing. With sprint there isn’t a way to predict map flow. This is because the maps are designed around sprinting but not around combat. Did you know that H2 was supposed to have sprint, but it was cut early in development because of pacing issues? These are the problems I see with sprint. Other people my try something like “the golden triangle”- argument, but I don’t believe in the golden triangle. I think sprint hutts the game in other ways. But that’s the thing, sprint makes the game easy and surface level, which means it makes the game more boring.
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> well, sprint is really useful when playing alone, cause I don’t have to slowly wonder to the spot I wanna go, I kinda get why people dislike it in multiplayer but still I find it really helpful.

Yeah, it’s ok to like sprint. But remember that it takes something away from the gameplay. Sure it’s useful, I just think that it’s a bad thing.

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> > > > > > > > same, I dont understand why people really dislike sprint. I always find it so useful when trying to get to certain areas during campaigns and online games.
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> > > > > > > Because it shouldn’t be in halo, oh wait you like getting to places quicker?
> > > > > > > Then how about we make maps shorter and the base movement speed quicker, then you won’t be needing sprint anymore.
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> > > > > > still, sprint isn’t bad, it means I can get to cover quickly rather than slowly walking over to cover
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> > > > > This is a little unfair. If sprint wasn’t in the game the cover would be closer and the weapons would have less range. If you wanted to move further you could use teamwork, throw grenades, peak-shot or do something like get a power-drain, do a double shot, give your team-mate a random spawn, Etc.
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> > > > yes, but I still dont see why people hate it so much, it doesn’t disadvantage anyone so what’s wrong with it?
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> > > Good question. Because it is easy mode. See when you can just sprint there is no reason to use teamshot, callout’s and perfectly excecuted
> > > player rotations to move from cover to cover double/peek shooting while deflecting grenades off of walls and constantly giving your team-mate randoms(if they were in the newer halos). Instead you can just sprint to where you wanna be. On of these experiences is rewarding, intense and interesting. The other one isn’t. Sprint also makes it easy to escape bad positions which discouraged good positioning. Because why would you want be in good position when you’re not rewarded for it, because everyone who’s in a bad position just runs away from you. It encourages double melees and charges which take no skill, when shooting does. It causes bad pacing. With sprint there isn’t a way to predict map flow. This is because the maps are designed around sprinting but not around combat. Did you know that H2 was supposed to have sprint, but it was cut early in development because of pacing issues? These are the problems I see with sprint. Other people my try something like “the golden triangle”- argument, but I don’t believe in the golden triangle. I think sprint hutts the game in other ways. But that’s the thing, sprint makes the game easy and surface level, which means it makes the game more boring.
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> Yeah, it’s ok to like sprint. But remember that it takes something away from the gameplay. Sure it’s useful, I just think that it’s a bad thing.

yeah, I get what your saying, I like needing to rely on my team instead on just being able to do things by yourself with no need for them, I just think it’s really useful for playing by yourself, but I understand

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Nor hold the Sprint

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Here is a good example of how sprinting can change the whole tide of a game. Look at it like sports plays, you can record and a single spartan can run the whole team and close the gap on the score quickly. That’s what this is about is it not? I get the slower more methodical style of game play, I feel like that’s what they were trying to kind of mesh with Breakout game mode, more value per life (I liked that too, sad they unranked it because everyone quits) I just feel like in H5 there are some real moments where people are losing their minds cuz we pulled one out or lots of expletives cuz we lost a tough one. In my opinion that makes this game great the way it is. The dual wield is a perfect example of how they sat down and made a decision, Is this really practical? Does this create balance or imbalance in the FPS?
Run, But we will find you

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> Said it before and will continue to say it. One mechanic doesn’t make or break or even define a game. Halo plays just fine with and without sprint.

One mechanic can break or define a game. If we made it so that every-time you thrust your team get’s a point, people would just be thrusting. More realistically if we added something like teleportation abilities or wall running the game would be played differently.

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> I do tend to side with the for sprint and players who prefer it. Mainly because it has been in Halo long enough it probably should stay. There isn’t a herd of players out there sitting around waiting for sprint to be removed and they will start playing again. Adding sprint didn’t single handedly drop the Halo population. Multiple factors did from simply players going to other games(most of which have sprint) or simply just not gaming any more. Removing it may hurt the population more because I bet the majority of players playing now have been playing Halo longer with sprint.

Now you say: it should continue to be in halo because it has been in halo so long. But I disagree. How long were 30 fps and no dedicated servers in halo? Doesn’t that argument also apply for base movement speed? It has been in halo for 9 years so let’s keep it in. How far do we take it? Should every halo game have a bad story from now on because H5 had. But you don’t seem like you really care if it’s in the game or not.

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> I also like how the players who prefer sprint are less yoinks about it. I see recent anti sprinters say oh there isn’t a good reason why to have it… hate to tell you simply liking it IS a good enough reason. It all boils down to opinion no matter how long winded your reason for not liking it is.

True. But you fail to understand that we’re having two different conversations about sprint. The first one is: is sprint fun? The second one is: does sprint add actual depth to the gameplay? The first one isn’t worth debating over because it is so subjective. We could make a contextual argument for it, but if someone says: I think sprint is enjoyable. That’s fine. The second one is objective and we need to make a better job of that conversation. I always argued that sprint takes away from the games actual depth and skillgap. I argued that this was a bad thing because this “easy” experience can already be found in other games.

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> One person said sprinting is the same speed as the base movement of HCE-3…haha you are joking right? Go back to MCC, load up Valhalla and walk around the map then load up ragnarok and sprint around the map… if you think you navigate the maps at the same speed you have zero concept of speed or distance. Sprinting allows players to navigate maps faster. It adds a bit of realism aka immersion to the game.

I was that person. The exact quote was: “when you sprint in H5 you are running with the speed of halos 1-3 base movement speed.” So I wasn’t talking about H4. Earlier this month I did some research. I walked through midship, first from Pink 2 to Carb 3, then from red base to blue base. I played H2 on the original Xbox. From Pink to carb, I was 0.5 seconds faster in H5 and from base to base I was 1 second faster. But when I walked in H5 it took me 3 seconds longer than running across top mid and 4 seconds longer from base to base. So either they made the maps bigger or made the base movement speed slower. It doesn’t really mater which one. I just chose the slower movement because it made it easier to drive my point.
Then you have the realism/immersion argument. Can we at this point agree that halo isn’t a realistic game. I mean I can’t take my helmet off, 0/10. But on a more serious note, good art design, music, storytelling and dialog are a lot more important for me to be immersed. But no-one ever mentions those things when we argue about immersion.

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People do change their minds, it’s just super rare. But something that hasn’t yet been proven wrong is that outside of: “I think it’s enjoyable”, there aren’t any good reasons to like it.

I hope I made sense. Thank you for your time.

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> > > > > > > > > > I am very tired of this topic. I cannot believe that we still need to explain why sprint is bad for Halo. Did we get any good reason that tells us why sprint is good for Halo? Nope, still getting replies like “Halo needs to evolve” and “I like sprint”.
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> > > > > > > > > You say it like its fact and that it’s bad for people to have their own opinion. People can’t just like anything anymore , there has to be a science behind why you like something or it’s meaningless.
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> > > > > > > > It’s in the game. “Just because” isn’t enough to add anything to the game. Why does it benefit the gameplay?
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> > > > > I could never ever explain why i think football and wrestling are fun. Those 2 sports just click inside my brain and I get a joy out of playing them. And I think that’s the way it’s suppose to be, the second you need a reason behind why anything is fun for you. I believe that’s when it officially stops being fun
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> > > > Can’t even think of a reason as to why it’s fun. I can’t say I’m surprised.
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> > > > You probably should’ve stayed away from this thread, because the pro-sprint crowd that are actually discussing this are explaining themselves a lot better than you. You’re making it look like they’re completely clueless. You don’t know why it’s fun, which means you can’t even be sure you would dislike the removal of sprint.
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> > > You obviously haven’t read my original post where it says, I don’t give a -Yoink- about sprint. And you’re a fine example of someone that can’t accept people’s opinion of joy without there being a reason. That was the only point I was making
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> I agree 100% with Asian Santa. It’s hilarious how antisprinters like zrofear accept no reason why some one prefers sprint… the only reason they need is they like it. Why do they need more? It’s like trying to tell some one why green can’t be their favorite color or why pineapples shouldn’t go pizza… if some one likes it they like it… I would try to support anti sprint a bit more but most who are antisprint are yoinks. I was just playing some H2A and H2 in MCC last night and it was fun to play. Just like H5 has been fun to play.

It’s hilarious how evidence and actual analysis gets thrown out the roof with a simple “I like it.”

That is not constructive, and should be ignored. This isn’t about colors, this is about a game mechanic that affects everyone.

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Ok, every pro-sprint player seems to be throw the argument of ,“everyone has it, so it’s equal, get rekt nostalg -Yoink!-.”
So here’s my idea, instead of sprint, everyone had armor lock. Yeah, everyone has it, so it’s balanced right?
ACTUALLY
Screw that, everyone has wallhax, so it’s balanced because everyone has it.
ACTUALLY
Screw that, everyone now has aim-bot, so it’s balanced right?
Wrong.
In quake, if you wanted to get places quicker, you needed to learn how to strafe jump, rocket jump. YOU NEEDED SKILL, to get places quicker.
All it is now, is a -Yoink- gimmick which is complete BS.
Just waiting for a -Yoink–storm to occur.