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> > > > > > My biggest question is how is this still a thread/topic? We all have different opinions about things and 343 will most likely keep in sprint, no matter what you guys do. We don’t always get what we want
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> > > > > We know 343 will not, so this thread is here to express our opinion and feeling about cuerent Halo. This thead is here to affect 343’s decision. My biggest question is why there are still people demanding sprint in Halo for no reason?
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> > > > This is why you’ll get so much resistance. You can’t just throw around the assumption that people defend it for no reason, even just liking something is enough to warrant the need to keep it. An explanation goes further in helping the reason but in the end simply liking something will do. Who’s to say anti-sprinters hate it “for no reason”? It can work both ways dude. Both sides have had Legite arguments, the unfortunate thing is both like to think their arguements are that much better and then they say the other side has no arguement, that’s where credibility is lost as you’re then not taking consideration into others. It’s the same thing I said to a guy (in this thread) to not be so asanine and blow away those who dislike sprint calling them stuck in the past, you also can’t just say pro-sprint has no arguement. It gets you no where and just gives people more of a reason to get away from this debate. Why would I argue with someone who’s just going to then say I have no arguement if I put up a 5000 word text explaining my perspective? Those are the guys you need to listen to, not the one line responses if it bothers you that much. There have been decent arguements for both in this thread, don’t let your bias for no sprint block out those who do have actual arguements for sprint.
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> > > We tried to debate and talk about sprint with pro-sprinters and all we got is “we like sprint” and “Halo needs to evovle”. If that is the case, we could say we hate sprint and that is it. When we did that, pro-sprinters called us hater, Bungie fanboy, nostalgia boy, ect. We cited why we think sprint is bad for Halo, yet the reply was “I like sprint”. Why can’t we have deep conversation about the topic and be civil? Instead just telling us you like sprint, tell use why you like it and why you think it is good for Halo.
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> So just because people like it, it should be in the game by your logic? Most people hate sprint in Halo, so it should be gone right?
What logic are you suggesting I’m using? I never once said that just because someone likes something that it needs to be added. I said there will be two sides to a topic. Of course you always go for what the majority want, but I’ve yet to see a good poll for sprint and I think both sides can agree to that. So it’s hard to really say who’s the majority untill there’s a good way to get an accurate unbiased poll. For now all we can do is talk to one another and discuss the issues while hoping 343 take it into account.
So my brother and i were having a rant about halo 5 and its pros and cons and he had a pretty good idea for sprint and thrusters. Halo 5 has a lot of cover and small maps and sprint can make it difficult as the person can flee. As of now sprinting does not allow you to recharge shields. My bro had the idea that if your shields were cracked then you should not be able to sprint or thrust. As an explanation it is because the energy generator for the armor is trying to power the suits shield taking away from thruster and sprint ability. I think this could further balance sprint and thrusters in halo 6 if 343 decides to keep these elements.
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> So my brother and i were having a rant about halo 5 and its pros and cons and he had a pretty good idea for sprint and thrusters. Halo 5 has a lot of cover and small maps and sprint can make it difficult as the person can flee. As of now sprinting does not allow you to recharge shields. My bro had the idea that if your shields were cracked then you should not be able to sprint or thrust. As an explanation it is because the energy generator for the armor is trying to power the suits shield taking away from thruster and sprint ability. I think this could further balance sprint and thrusters in halo 6 if 343 decides to keep these elements.
Or they could just take it out and stop trying to force and shoehorn in mechanics that never had any place in the game to begin with.
Why would anyone ever try to design an entire game, that already worked and played perfectly as is, around such a foreign (and controversial) mechanic that changes the game in such a major and fundamental way. Like, what kind of inept developer would ever do that.
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> > > > My biggest question is how is this still a thread/topic? We all have different opinions about things and 343 will most likely keep in sprint, no matter what you guys do. We don’t always get what we want
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Not everyone scientifically examines the reasons that they like certain things especially in video games where they want to relax and have fun.
Sprint is only a problem because of map size. It many games i have played on Halo 5 , the enemy is always a 1 shot and gets from one end of the map to the other in no time leading me to find about 3 spartans there. Idk if anyone would agree with this but what if everytime your spartan’s shield was down you cannot sprint , spartan charge, spartan thruster or groundpound. I believe than people can actually finish a kill because the other player did not strafe behind cover or sprint away. For those who played Halo 3 you knew that if your shield cracked and you were being shot at you were about to die but in halo 5 you can sprint away at such a fast pace the player cant finish the kill
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> Sprint is only a problem because of map size. It many games i have played on Halo 5 , the enemy is always a 1 shot and gets from one end of the map to the other in no time leading me to find about 3 spartans there. Idk if anyone would agree with this but what if everytime your spartan’s shield was down you cannot sprint , spartan charge, spartan thruster or groundpound. I believe than people can actually finish a kill because the other player did not strafe behind cover or sprint away. For those who played Halo 3 you knew that if your shield cracked and you were being shot at you were about to die but in halo 5 you can sprint away at such a fast pace the player cant finish the kill
You realize that when you’re being shot you can’t sprint and that grenades are very effective against runners right?
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> Not everyone scientifically examines the reasons that they like certain things especially in video games where they want to relax and have fun.
But when you post your opinions on the internet, that’s just kind of expected from you. Sure, if it doesn’t bother you to not know exactly why you don’t like something, then that’s fine for you. But when you put your opinion on the internet, you should expect it to be placed under scrutiny. That’s just part of the baggage of publicly declaring your opinions.
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Maps are made larger to accomodate for sprint, so you’re not actually getting to battles faster. You’re however being punished by having to lower your weapons in order to sprint.
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In Playlists like Warzone sprint is needed, for a Spartan to actually get around.
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So if we can play perfectly fine without it in default settings, why have it in the first place?
Building up on that, it can’t be removed because people dislike it, but I guess it has to be kept because people like it? Then of course you choose to connect a person’s opinion, dislike, with that person’s supposed skill with the thing that person dislikes. First of all, I hope you remember that mentality the next time you have some issue with anything. Second, considering this is the third Halo FPS with sprint, and the market has plenty of games with Sprint, I’d be surprised to find anyone who has spent some 20 hours of time in an FPS with sprint who can’t use it properly.
Let’s see, Armor Abilities, Bloom and Flinch. Non-existant. Three huge steps back, no? Dual wielding as well. It doesn’t matter if it’s a game mechanic, if it’s deemed as negative or not fitting or something else, nothing is safe.
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Please do explain this.
Shield recharge reset and weapons disabled in order to gain a forward speed boost seem to be quite significant effects on gameplay, no?
Not using sprint for the entire match is simply not an option. I tried that for a couple of matches a few days ago. I decided not to use sprint at any given situation, even when I was in danger. The results were terrible. I couldn’t get to power positions fast enough, I had to stay behind and couldn’t help my teammates, I couldn’t get to power weapons on time, I missed a lot of jumps and had to circle longer routes to get to different places, got into 2/3 v 1 situations that are certain death and had the enemy team Spartan charge me when I tried to flee the place.
Maybe, and only maybe If you don’t likespint, just don’t sprint. You don’t have to!! would work in silver and gold tier, but you’ll get slaughtered in diamond and onyx. The only way not sprinting would work is if nobody sprinted. Like, I don’t know, if they removed it from the game. Now we’re getting somewhere.
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This has been brought up before, when we talk about taking out sprint most are talking about future games not taking it out of Halo 5, so the game would be built from the ground up with one player speed in mind. Most agree that the base player speed should be increased when sprint is taken out.
1: I actually like the maps being built around Sprint, because it takes some skill for certain jumps and ledges. If everyone had the same speed anyone could make any jump. This was also in H4 and I was impressed with it.
2: I’d rather a disadvantage while sprinting, this way I know someone ain’t gonna shoot Me down.
3: It makes up for vehicle advantage speeds.
Not saying Speeding up base speed is bad, I still play H2 doing just that but I like the way H5 works as well.
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> 1: I actually like the maps being built around Sprint, because it takes some skill for certain jumps and ledges. If everyone had the same speed anyone could make any jump. This was also in H4 and I was impressed with it.
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1: Wrong , plenty of “skill” jumps in Halo CE , 2 , and , 3 , that plenty of people couldn’t make for whatever reason. Just off the top of my head two or three jumps come to mind on lockout and the pit.
2: if you put your self in a bad place by making poor decisions , you deserve to be “shot down”. If you are in a bad place due to negligence , distraction , or just plain ignorance you deserve to be “shot down”. This is how you learn not to make the same mistake.
3:They are vehicles , they should be faster. And should be hard to kill if you don’t have an anti-vehicle weapon.
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> 2: if you put your self in a bad place by making poor decisions , you deserve to be “shot down”. If you are in a bad place due to negligence , distraction , or just plain ignorance you deserve to be “shot down”. This is how you learn not to make the same mistake.
> 3:They are vehicles , they should be faster. And should be hard to kill if you don’t have an anti-vehicle weapon.
1: Even so there are still skill jumps in H5.
2: Thats not what I was trying to say. I do not go gallivanting waiting to be killed. People not Sprinting have a bonus which is what I like.
3: Yeah but what I mean is imagine walking around a Warzone map not Sprinting? Vehicles would be the only winners as they will get anywhere really fast. A Spartan would not keep up.
1: You said sprint creates skill jumps. It does not. Map geography creates skill jumps. Sprint had nothing to do with it.
2: OK? (I don’t disagree , but it also creates a “get out of trouble free” card as you can sprint to teammates and gain the advantage).
3: A Spartan shouldn’t be able to keep up. They are vehicles for a reason. If they don’t move you around faster than walking/running , why have them? Just for extra fire power? Is that really needed at this point with all of the high explosive power weapons?
If you don’t get to a vehicle before they are all gone , then you should consider yourself base defense. Not every one can be on the front lines.
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> > So my brother and i were having a rant about halo 5 and its pros and cons and he had a pretty good idea for sprint and thrusters. Halo 5 has a lot of cover and small maps and sprint can make it difficult as the person can flee. As of now sprinting does not allow you to recharge shields. My bro had the idea that if your shields were cracked then you should not be able to sprint or thrust. As an explanation it is because the energy generator for the armor is trying to power the suits shield taking away from thruster and sprint ability. I think this could further balance sprint and thrusters in halo 6 if 343 decides to keep these elements.
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Yes this too i just posted this because i know 343 is very adamant about keeping sprint
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1: Like out side of the superman jump, there isn’t one trick-jump in H5 that takes skill. You just press your clamber button. “If everyone had the same speed anyone could make any jump”, everyone jas the same speed when they are sprinting and anyone can make every jump in H5. Remember Damnation? How much skill and practice the nade jumps took. Or the rocket jumps. Or the jumps where you jump on your team-mate. The same is true for lockout and guardian, but for every map in CE.