The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
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> > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
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> > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
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> > >
> > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > >
> > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > >
> > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
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> >
> > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
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> Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
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> A.k.a. no tangible facts.

Also Halo needs to evolve and stay relevant!

Also known as Halo needs to be like other shooters that nobody will find interesting and distinct thing from Halo.

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> > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
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> > > > >
> > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
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> >
> > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
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> > You clearly don’t get it.
> >
> > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
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> Minority of what? And how do you know?
> So what are the reasons why sprint should be cut then?

He won’t because he can’t, otherwise he would have said it already. It’s ignorance at its purest.

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> > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > >
> > >
> > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> >
> >
> > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
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> These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
>
> You clearly don’t get it.
>
> Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:

Just in case though I’ll quote him again. Please entertain us on how our things are just opinions while your stance is somehow fact without offering any evidence and backup because, as it stands, you simply are just making non-constructive points so I’ll just keep reporting you until you make coherent points and not just baseless assumptions.

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> > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > >
> > >
> > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > >
> > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > >
> > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> >
> >
> > Minority of what? And how do you know?
> > So what are the reasons why sprint should be cut then?
>
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> He won’t because he can’t, otherwise he would have said it already. It’s ignorance at its purest.
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> > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > >
> > >
> > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> >
> >
> > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> >
> > You clearly don’t get it.
> >
> > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
>
>
> Just in case though I’ll quote him again. Please entertain us on how our things are just opinions while your stance is somehow fact without offering any evidence and backup because, as it stands, you simply are just making non-constructive points so I’ll just keep reporting you until you make coherent points and not just baseless assumptions.

“Sprints in reach, h4, and h5, it’ll be in h6, FACT!”. I’m calling it.

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> Wow, I’m amazed that this same thread is still up and strong from 2 days ago…
> I mean does it really matter if Halo does or doesn’t have sprint?
> At the end of the day, you’ll still be playing it.

How about now ? :smiley: Yes it does.

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> “Sprints in reach, h4, and h5, it’ll be in h6, FACT!”. I’m calling it.

If sprint is in Halo 6, it will fail just like Halo 4 and 5 did. I am calling it now.

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> > > > Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> > > > arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> > > > Thoughts? :3
> > >
> > >
> > > here’s what is being said behind the scenes: Blah blah blah, i missed a kill cause he ran away and then i got killed cause i wasn’t paying attention to my radar ruining my killing streak. Sounds familiar doesn’t. It happens to all of us. Halo without Sprint took forever and you had no evade options. In reality the game matured along with the capabilities of the players.
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> > What part of Halo without sprint took forever? All of it? You could strafe.
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> > How does a game “mature”?
> > Is “maturing” adding more things to the game, if so, what of all the things that were cut between Halo 4 and 5?q
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> Evolved is the word i was looking for. Strafe was a good move but in reality you are able to sprint right? If you were a super soldier you should be able to run then right? That is the point i was making. Sorry

That’s because Halo was intended to be a futuristic yet old school game without sprinting and the movement speed being strafing instead

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> > > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > > >
> > > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
> >
> >
> > Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
> >
> > A.k.a. no tangible facts.
>
>
> Also Halo needs to evolve and stay relevant!
>
> Also known as Halo needs to be like other shooters that nobody will find interesting and distinct thing from Halo.

More opinions though.

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> If sprint is in Halo 6, it will fail just like Halo 4 and 5 did. I am calling it now.

It could but it all depends on how it’s done. Even if h6 lacks sprint it doesn’t just guarantee a rise in halo. There’s many other things to take into consideration besides just one mechanic effecting the game. “if” they keep sprint in h6, I wonder what they’ll do to it this time as every game that has had sprint keeps getting more panalties punishing the user, that shows 343 KNOWS there are people who don’t like it and they attempted a compromise. Will they attempt to fix some of the effects sprint has in h6? From my view they can make it more tolerable by letting the players fire while sprinting while getting better map creators to at least mask the map elongation, it can be done but it distill doesn’t remove the full effect sprint has. I’d be surprised if they remove sprint but I imagine they’re still sticking with it but trying to find another way to compromise for those who don’t like it. Eventually they’ll run out of ideas for a compromise and then I really wonder what they’ll do.

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> NO

Halo is a work of a great team, the hard work of 343 let´s us enjoy great gameplay, you can´t say what to keep and what to delete; that is not how games like Halo works.

If you like Halo w/sprint good for you, if you don´t good for you, but in my opinion remove or put more of other previous halo games doesn’t make it more or less “HALO HALO”

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> > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > >
> > >
> > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > >
> > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > >
> > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> >
> >
> > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
>
>
> Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
>
> A.k.a. no tangible facts.

At the end you have to sell the game, and 343 make it for, even for people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc.

I don’t use it to run away, but personally, i prefer to be an armor ability than a permanent use thing.

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> If sprint is in Halo 6, it will fail just like Halo 4 and 5 did. I am calling it now.

If it does it’ll be a used, sale, or bargain bin purchase for me and that will only be so I can see how this trilogy wraps up.

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> Halo is a work of a great team, the hard work of 343 let´s us enjoy great gameplay, you can´t say what to keep and what to delete; that is not how games like Halo works.
>
> If you like Halo w/sprint good for you, if you don´t good for you, but in my opinion remove or put more of other previous halo games doesn’t make it more or less “HALO HALO”

No, but that is how feedback works, which is what forums and stuff are for. Also 343 being great is subjective. They delivered a mediocre main entry in Halo 4 which rattled confidence, knowingly released a broken port in the MCC and have released Halo 5, which is also polarizing and has an awful campaign. Say what you will but they are a painfully average dev group at best if you ask me.

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> > > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > > >
> > > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
> >
> >
> > Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
> >
> > A.k.a. no tangible facts.
>
>
> At the end you have to sell the game, and 343 make it for, even for people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc.
>
> I don’t use it to run away, but personally, i prefer to be an armor ability than a permanent use thing.

Making your game different sells it, not copying mechanics. Doom enjoyed the spotlight for being different as has Overwatch. The problem.with copying mechanics is you may get the initial sell, but people then just leave the game anyway because the game they came from does it better. It is inherently flawed logic that Halo 4 as an example proves flawlessly.

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> Sprin defenders really have no idea what they are saying. They state they don’t want Halo without sprint, because it will be the same game. Doesn’t it applies to Halo with sprint?

Yeah, those people have a bad habit of forgetting that the last six years happened. So, to them, keeping sprint would indicate a lack of change because apparently Halo 3 is the last game they remember.

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> > Sprin defenders really have no idea what they are saying. They state they don’t want Halo without sprint, because it will be the same game. Doesn’t it applies to Halo with sprint?
>
>
> Yeah, those people have a bad habit of forgetting that the last six years happened. So, to them, keeping sprint would indicate a lack of change because apparently Halo 3 is the last game they remember.

Pretty much this. X1000.
It would seem at this point in time a game without sprint would be exactly what the “we can’t have the same game every year” would want.

I’m convinced that most people that want sprint to stay, are either A. New fans or B. We’re complete garbage at the older games and need a mechanic to keep up with good players.

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> > If sprint is in Halo 6, it will fail just like Halo 4 and 5 did. I am calling it now.
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> If it does it’ll be a used, sale, or bargain bin purchase for me and that will only be so I can see how this trilogy wraps up.
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> > Halo is a work of a great team, the hard work of 343 let´s us enjoy great gameplay, you can´t say what to keep and what to delete; that is not how games like Halo works.
> >
> > If you like Halo w/sprint good for you, if you don´t good for you, but in my opinion remove or put more of other previous halo games doesn’t make it more or less “HALO HALO”
>
>
> No, but that is how feedback works, which is what forums and stuff are for. Also 343 being great is subjective. They delivered a mediocre main entry in Halo 4 which rattled confidence, knowingly released a broken port in the MCC and have released Halo 5, which is also polarizing and has an awful campaign. Say what you will but they are a painfully average dev group at best if you ask me.
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> > > > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
> > >
> > >
> > > Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
> > >
> > > A.k.a. no tangible facts.
> >
> >
> > At the end you have to sell the game, and 343 make it for, even for people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc.
> >
> > I don’t use it to run away, but personally, i prefer to be an armor ability than a permanent use thing.
>
>
> Making your game different sells it, not copying mechanics. Doom enjoyed the spotlight for being different as has Overwatch. The problem.with copying mechanics is you may get the initial sell, but people then just leave the game anyway because the game they came from does it better. It is inherently flawed logic that Halo 4 as an example proves flawlessly.

I respect your point of view, but all those things aren’t right just because you say it. Peace Bro.

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> > > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
> >
> >
> > Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
> > A.k.a. no tangible facts.
>
>
> At the end you have to sell the game, and 343 make it for, even for people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc.
> I don’t use it to run away, but personally, i prefer to be an armor ability than a permanent use thing.

By selling a game you sell it to your old audience and try to attract new audiences. You do not market and create a game to attract new audiences. This will result in your already established user base to drop significantly. This is Product Management 101. Also by being as close to COD, BF, etc. as possible you start to lose the identity of why a franchise was so popular. Just something to think about.

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By removing sprint, Halo will evolve. It has been 6 years with sprint, time for Halo to evolve. Who else agrees?

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> > > > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
> > >
> > >
> > > Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
> > >
> > > A.k.a. no tangible facts.
> >
> >
> > At the end you have to sell the game, and 343 make it for, even for people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc.
> >
> > I don’t use it to run away, but personally, i prefer to be an armor ability than a permanent use thing.
>
> By selling a game you sell it to your old audience and try to attract new audiences. You do not marketing and create a game to attract new audiences. This will result in your already established user base to drop significantly. This is Product Management 101. Also by being as close to COD, BF, etc. as possible you start to lose the identity of why a franchise was so popular. Just something to think about.
>
> OF course any game has to be different to the others in any genre, but you can’t do the same thing over and over, because that will not do any difference and will feel so flat that anyone want to buy it anymore.
>
> I DON’T WANT TO HALO FEEL LIKE COD OR ANY OTHER FPS, I ENJOY IT BECAUSE IT PLAYS LIKE HALO. W/SPRINT OR NOT.

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> > > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
> >
> >
> > Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
> > A.k.a. no tangible facts.
>
>
> At the end you have to sell the game, and 343 make it for, even for people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc.
> I don’t use it to run away, but personally, i prefer to be an armor ability than a permanent use thing.

What makes you think a game will sell more by becoming like other games? History has shown that the most successful games are very different than their competition, particularly when it comes to shooters. Halo 1-3, CoD4, Gears of War, Destiny, Overwatch, Counter Strike. These all differed wildly from what else was on the market and because of that they all enjoyed huge success and not at the expense of other popular franchises. Modern Warfare and Halo 3 were both top games at the same time. And right now CoD, Destiny and Overwatch are all very popular games, so it’s not like one game being really popular will keep others from reaching similar success. CoD didn’t become popular by trying to become Halo and Overwatch didn’t become popular by trying to become CoD.

If 343 wants to sell the game, trying to pander to a different audience will not help them and, as has been shown, will instead hurt them. But I think the unfortunate reality is that this is a franchise that too many people at 343 don’t want to work on. If it was, they wouldn’t be trying to make it something else.

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> > > > > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
> > > >
> > > > A.k.a. no tangible facts.
>
>
> OF course any game has to be different to the others in any genre, but you can’t do the same thing over and over, because that will not do any difference and will feel so flat that anyone want to buy it anymore.
>
> I DON’T WANT TO HALO FEEL LIKE COD OR ANY OTHER FPS, I ENJOY IT BECAUSE IT PLAYS LIKE HALO. W/SPRINT OR NOT.

But you can sell the “same” product over and over again if you make slight improvements to it. There is a reason why CS, COD, BF, etc have been popular for so long. CS:GO is almost exactly like CS 1.6. There were some improvements, but the fundamentals of the game haven’t changed. Again why was COD so popular for 6+ years? Because the game hardly changed. You don’t want to release the exact same product over and over again, but you make a game with improvements and add somethings that positively add to the established experience.

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> > > > > > > > > Games need to evolve (ex: add sprint), or this game would end up like Madden football. Where the same game essentially gets released with minor updates to physics.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another bland “Halo needs to evolve” statement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > good argument. (aka… you are wrong and have no argument to use against me)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How am I wrong? I and other people already posted why sprint isn’t a good thing and should be absent in future. But there are people commenting like this comment “Halo needs to evolve”. Do we need to write same thing over and over when you could just look up about 300 pages to know why? If you insist I will write for you.
> > > > > > 1. Sprint is unnecessary thing added to the game.
> > > > > > 2. It breaks the Golden Triangle that formed Halo’s gameplay.
> > > > > > 3. Maps get bigger due to sprint, which is also unnecessary change, it is illusion of being fast.
> > > > > > 4. Sprint doesn’t make game evolve. Let me ask you this, how sprint is evolution? What makes sprint evolving the game?
> > > > > > 5. Movement becomes generic.
> > > > > > 6. Sprint is used to run away from battle.
> > > > > > 7. Map loses variety/diversity due to sprint.
> > > > > > 8. Game doesn’t need sprint to be fast paced.
> > > > > > 9. Game should be improved upon its formula.
> > > > > > 10. The reason sprint was added is very idiotic. What “people are expected to see sprint”? Who are those people, oh yeah people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. Why would 343 make a Halo game for them? Why add and change things to get them? They will still play their game, even though Halo has sprint.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > These are all opinions, of which you are in the minority. Those aren’t reasons the feature should be absent going forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > You clearly don’t get it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Enjoy sprint in H6. :slight_smile:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you justify why sprint is good for Halo with facts?
> > >
> > >
> > > Some guy in the lore sprinted once.
> > >
> > > A.k.a. no tangible facts.
> >
> >
> > At the end you have to sell the game, and 343 make it for, even for people from Call of Duty, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc.
> >
> > I don’t use it to run away, but personally, i prefer to be an armor ability than a permanent use thing.
>
>
> What makes you think a game will sell more by becoming like other games? History has shown that the most successful games are very different than their competition, particularly when it comes to shooters. Halo 1-3, CoD4, Gears of War, Destiny, Overwatch, Counter Strike. These all differed wildly from what else was on the market and because of that they all enjoyed huge success and not at the expense of other popular franchises. Modern Warfare and Halo 3 were both top games at the same time. And right now CoD, Destiny and Overwatch are all very popular games, so it’s not like one game being really popular will keep others from reaching similar success. CoD didn’t become popular by trying to become Halo and Overwatch didn’t become popular by trying to become CoD.
>
> If 343 wants the sell the game, trying to pander to a different audience will not help them and, as has been shown, will instead hurt them. But I think the unfortunate reality is that this is a franchise that too many people at 343 don’t want to work on. If it was, they wouldn’t be trying to make it something else.

I didn´t say Halo has to be like other games, i just try to compare to the likeness of the genre, make Halo 4 like Halo 3 will be boring, and like COD 343 improve different methods to do that difference that you are talking.

In reference i love to play Gears Of War, and i hated GOW Judgment just because it doesn’t feels like Gears anymore, now i know you can broke a great game like Gears Of War by doing that and that’s something that i don’t want for Halo. Trust me it is not funny bro.