To burden the player with learning hundreds upon hundreds of mechanics that barely do anything is nowhere near as efficient as having one mechanic with hundreds of applications.
Complexity is not pursued for the sake of complexity, it’s just an undesirable and to a degree unavoidable byproduct of the pursuit of more depth, much like how smoke is when burning coal with the end goal of gaining heat. I wouldn’t even necessarily consider the pursuit of depth always beneficial in itself either (i.e. a deeper game isn’t necessarily a more enjoyable game) but that’s a whole other topic.
Furthermore is how new additions can invalidate old mechanics, thus leading to an actual decrease in depth despite an increase in complexity. Dual Wielding sure didn’t seem to do a lot of good for the viability of using automatics, no?
At any rate this is getting way off the rails. And I remain just as unconvinced that the term “evolve” brings anything of value to any of these discussions. There are far superior ways to make those arguments than relying on loaded language, regardless if you actually intended on it being loaded or not. I mean, you just did it.
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> > > > > The -Yoink-? What does hardware have to do with gameplay mechanics? You guys seriously don’t believe there were games with clamber around the original xbox era?
> > > > >
> > > > > Definitely one of the weaker pro-sprint arguments I’ve heard.
> > > > >
> > > > > The lack of these mechanics back then wasn’t because it would be impossible to implement them. It was because developers either didn’t care about adding them or simply hadn’t thought about doing it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Arguments like his are good way to find out who the young ones are. At least then we can’t really expect them to know too much about the topic at hand.
> > >
> > >
> > > that’s a bit mean…
> > > but still true XD
> >
> >
> > I wasn’t trying to be mean, but there have been a number of times I see people talk about issues like these, but they’re young enough (maybe 20 yrs old or below) to not know much about either the earlier days of the franchise or the earlier days of gaming. The thing is, they often get offended when someone says that even though it’s completely normal. We’ve all been there when we were young talking about stuff we didn’t quite understand, we just thought we did.
> >
> > I mean, he apparently thinks sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago due to hardware limitations, totally unaware that sprint has been around for longer than that. He even said that as if we don’t know what we’re talking about. Can’t really take people like that seriously until they show that they want to be taken seriously.
>
>
> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>
> 25yrs old btw. Quote me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember saying sprint wasn’t possible back then. My first and favorite game was super metroid. I’ve played all of the Halo games. I initially started with Halo 2 and then went back and played Halo CE just for the experience. I used to LAN party with friends at my place and had a great time. Even so with that being said, I don’t think a paragraph of text tells you enough about ones life for you to pass judgement on it. I think that’s a pretty neutral statement.
>
> But once again, this is far off topic.
So I guess you’re just wildly uninformed on the state of games from over the past 20 years because when you said:
“Gameplay back then in the older games was limited to what you could do because of hardware limitations. Now we have allot more options in what we can do. You guys are telling me, when they can plug you into the computer like the matrix, you’re gonna still want to walk at the same speed at all times?”
It was very clear that you seemed to think sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago. Argue it all you want now, but there’s no wiggle room in what you said.
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> > > > > > > > > Funny how people still debate over this lol
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > >
> > >
> > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> >
> >
> > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
>
>
> It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
>
> Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
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> > > > > > The -Yoink-? What does hardware have to do with gameplay mechanics? You guys seriously don’t believe there were games with clamber around the original xbox era?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Definitely one of the weaker pro-sprint arguments I’ve heard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The lack of these mechanics back then wasn’t because it would be impossible to implement them. It was because developers either didn’t care about adding them or simply hadn’t thought about doing it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Arguments like his are good way to find out who the young ones are. At least then we can’t really expect them to know too much about the topic at hand.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that’s a bit mean…
> > > > but still true XD
> > >
> > >
> > > I wasn’t trying to be mean, but there have been a number of times I see people talk about issues like these, but they’re young enough (maybe 20 yrs old or below) to not know much about either the earlier days of the franchise or the earlier days of gaming. The thing is, they often get offended when someone says that even though it’s completely normal. We’ve all been there when we were young talking about stuff we didn’t quite understand, we just thought we did.
> > >
> > > I mean, he apparently thinks sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago due to hardware limitations, totally unaware that sprint has been around for longer than that. He even said that as if we don’t know what we’re talking about. Can’t really take people like that seriously until they show that they want to be taken seriously.
> >
> >
> > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
> >
> > 25yrs old btw. Quote me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember saying sprint wasn’t possible back then. My first and favorite game was super metroid. I’ve played all of the Halo games. I initially started with Halo 2 and then went back and played Halo CE just for the experience. I used to LAN party with friends at my place and had a great time. Even so with that being said, I don’t think a paragraph of text tells you enough about ones life for you to pass judgement on it. I think that’s a pretty neutral statement.
> >
> > But once again, this is far off topic.
>
>
> So I guess you’re just wildly uninformed on the state of games from over the past 20 years because when you said:
>
> “Gameplay back then in the older games was limited to what you could do because of hardware limitations. Now we have allot more options in what we can do. You guys are telling me, when they can plug you into the computer like the matrix, you’re gonna still want to walk at the same speed at all times?”
>
> It was very clear that you seemed to think sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago. Argue it all you want now, but there’s no wiggle room in what you said.
This is what bugs me. In older Halos I could move at a walking speed If I choose to, but was also able to move at full speed with my weapon up. Now I can only move at the speed that feels accurate to map size with me completely disarmed.
edit. Not to mention, moving at accurate speed in one direction. Smh…
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> > > > > > > > > > Funny how people still debate over this lol
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> > >
> > >
> > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
> >
> >
> > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
> >
> > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
>
>
> We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
Aside from the many reasons posted in this thread, sure.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Funny how people still debate over this lol
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
> > >
> > >
> > > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
> > >
> > > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
> >
> >
> > We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
>
>
> Aside from the many reasons posted in this thread, sure.
Again, having spartans not being able to run is the dumbest thing you could do now.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how people still debate over this lol
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
> > > >
> > > > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
> > >
> > >
> > > We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
> >
> >
> > Aside from the many reasons posted in this thread, sure.
>
>
> Again, having spartans not being able to run is the dumbest thing you could do now.
Saying its the dumbest thing is very dangerous to say here, bro (not a threat). We are the true Halo community and Halo is not Halo with sprint
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> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Aside from the many reasons posted in this thread, sure.
> >
> >
> > Again, having spartans not being able to run is the dumbest thing you could do now.
>
>
> Saying its the dumbest thing is very dangerous to say here, bro (not a threat). We are the true Halo community and Halo is not Halo with sprint
Its allright dude. I know the originals dont have sprint. I have every single Halo game and my favorites are H1 and H2. Every single game introduces something new. H2 brought dual wielding, H3 brought new nades and weapons and items and so on. Sprint has slowly made its way into Halo and it should stay.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Aside from the many reasons posted in this thread, sure.
> > >
> > >
> > > Again, having spartans not being able to run is the dumbest thing you could do now.
> >
> >
> > Saying its the dumbest thing is very dangerous to say here, bro (not a threat). We are the true Halo community and Halo is not Halo with sprint
>
>
> Its allright dude. I know the originals dont have sprint. I have every single Halo game and my favorites are H1 and H2. Every single game introduces something new. H2 brought dual wielding, H3 brought new nades and weapons and items and so on. Sprint has slowly made its way into Halo and it should stay.
Why?
The new things that were brought in (you mentioned things like dual-wielding and equipment) were subject to removal when it was found they harmed more than helped. Can you put together an argument other than “it’s stupid” for why Sprint should stay?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how people still debate over this lol
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> > > > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
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> > > > > > > > > > Yes
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> > > > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
> > > >
> > > > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
> > >
> > >
> > > We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
> >
> >
> > Aside from the many reasons posted in this thread, sure.
>
>
> Again, having spartans not being able to run is the dumbest thing you could do now.
This is a game, not a simulation. In fact, the dumbest thing you can do is add a mechanic to the game for any reason other than because it’s what’s best for the gameplay. Not even 343 has tried to explain the gameplay reasons for its inclusion (because they can’t).
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> > > > > > The -Yoink-? What does hardware have to do with gameplay mechanics? You guys seriously don’t believe there were games with clamber around the original xbox era?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Definitely one of the weaker pro-sprint arguments I’ve heard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The lack of these mechanics back then wasn’t because it would be impossible to implement them. It was because developers either didn’t care about adding them or simply hadn’t thought about doing it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Arguments like his are good way to find out who the young ones are. At least then we can’t really expect them to know too much about the topic at hand.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that’s a bit mean…
> > > > but still true XD
> > >
> > >
> > > I wasn’t trying to be mean, but there have been a number of times I see people talk about issues like these, but they’re young enough (maybe 20 yrs old or below) to not know much about either the earlier days of the franchise or the earlier days of gaming. The thing is, they often get offended when someone says that even though it’s completely normal. We’ve all been there when we were young talking about stuff we didn’t quite understand, we just thought we did.
> > >
> > > I mean, he apparently thinks sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago due to hardware limitations, totally unaware that sprint has been around for longer than that. He even said that as if we don’t know what we’re talking about. Can’t really take people like that seriously until they show that they want to be taken seriously.
> >
> >
> > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
> >
> > 25yrs old btw. Quote me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember saying sprint wasn’t possible back then. My first and favorite game was super metroid. I’ve played all of the Halo games. I initially started with Halo 2 and then went back and played Halo CE just for the experience. I used to LAN party with friends at my place and had a great time. Even so with that being said, I don’t think a paragraph of text tells you enough about ones life for you to pass judgement on it. I think that’s a pretty neutral statement.
> >
> > But once again, this is far off topic.
>
>
> So I guess you’re just wildly uninformed on the state of games from over the past 20 years because when you said:
>
> “Gameplay back then in the older games was limited to what you could do because of hardware limitations. Now we have allot more options in what we can do. You guys are telling me, when they can plug you into the computer like the matrix, you’re gonna still want to walk at the same speed at all times?”
>
> It was very clear that you seemed to think sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago. Argue it all you want now, but there’s no wiggle room in what you said.
Man it’d be cool if I knew how to use italics… But “it was very clear that you SEEMED to think that sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago”. Thanks for that, not even you could state it as fact. Nice try though.
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> > Not really weird. Overwatch is based on varying character abilities and playstyles. I actually think Hamster Creeek really cant use Overwatch as an example against Halo using sprint as it is a completely different type of shooter and there are a lot of different abilities which help you get around the map quickly. Boosting about as a big robot is effectively the same as using sprint. Its still bringing that same change of pace to the fight in the same way, its sprint but just animated differently.
>
>
> Following this logic people can’t use other games as an example in favor of sprint being in Halo, because they are also entirely different games. Unless you want to imply Halo has more in common with CoD and it’s ilk than it has in common with Overwatch, another game based on mobility and a sci-fi sandbox.
No.
They can because I was speaking specifically about Overwatch and not saying games in general couldnt be compared. The reason I say that about Overwatch in particular is partly because its clearly a very very different type of game to Halo, CoD, BF etc as its based around unique characters with a wide range of differing abilities, many of which help you get around quickly with things like boosts, sprint, ziplines etc. So it still has that ability for change of pace but in a unique way that Halo cannot ever really have (We saw the mess of class options in Halo 4 after all).
Sci fi really doesnt come into it as thats just a setting, its not really a game mechanic. When you look at games in their purest form and think about just lines and dots without all the graphics and everything then you consider the core gameplay, Halo definitely is structured in a way that is closer to CoD, Crysis, BF etc than it is Overwatch.
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> > > > > > > The -Yoink-? What does hardware have to do with gameplay mechanics? You guys seriously don’t believe there were games with clamber around the original xbox era?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Definitely one of the weaker pro-sprint arguments I’ve heard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The lack of these mechanics back then wasn’t because it would be impossible to implement them. It was because developers either didn’t care about adding them or simply hadn’t thought about doing it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arguments like his are good way to find out who the young ones are. At least then we can’t really expect them to know too much about the topic at hand.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > that’s a bit mean…
> > > > > but still true XD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wasn’t trying to be mean, but there have been a number of times I see people talk about issues like these, but they’re young enough (maybe 20 yrs old or below) to not know much about either the earlier days of the franchise or the earlier days of gaming. The thing is, they often get offended when someone says that even though it’s completely normal. We’ve all been there when we were young talking about stuff we didn’t quite understand, we just thought we did.
> > > >
> > > > I mean, he apparently thinks sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago due to hardware limitations, totally unaware that sprint has been around for longer than that. He even said that as if we don’t know what we’re talking about. Can’t really take people like that seriously until they show that they want to be taken seriously.
> > >
> > >
> > > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
> > >
> > > 25yrs old btw. Quote me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember saying sprint wasn’t possible back then. My first and favorite game was super metroid. I’ve played all of the Halo games. I initially started with Halo 2 and then went back and played Halo CE just for the experience. I used to LAN party with friends at my place and had a great time. Even so with that being said, I don’t think a paragraph of text tells you enough about ones life for you to pass judgement on it. I think that’s a pretty neutral statement.
> > >
> > > But once again, this is far off topic.
> >
> >
> > So I guess you’re just wildly uninformed on the state of games from over the past 20 years because when you said:
> >
> > “Gameplay back then in the older games was limited to what you could do because of hardware limitations. Now we have allot more options in what we can do. You guys are telling me, when they can plug you into the computer like the matrix, you’re gonna still want to walk at the same speed at all times?”
> >
> > It was very clear that you seemed to think sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago. Argue it all you want now, but there’s no wiggle room in what you said.
>
>
> Man it’d be cool if I knew how to use italics… But “it was very clear that you SEEMED to think that sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago”. Thanks for that, not even you could state it as fact. Nice try though.
Argue it however you want, it’s clear what you said and you’re wildly ignorant on the matter.
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> > > > > > > > The -Yoink-? What does hardware have to do with gameplay mechanics? You guys seriously don’t believe there were games with clamber around the original xbox era?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Definitely one of the weaker pro-sprint arguments I’ve heard.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The lack of these mechanics back then wasn’t because it would be impossible to implement them. It was because developers either didn’t care about adding them or simply hadn’t thought about doing it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arguments like his are good way to find out who the young ones are. At least then we can’t really expect them to know too much about the topic at hand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that’s a bit mean…
> > > > > > but still true XD
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I wasn’t trying to be mean, but there have been a number of times I see people talk about issues like these, but they’re young enough (maybe 20 yrs old or below) to not know much about either the earlier days of the franchise or the earlier days of gaming. The thing is, they often get offended when someone says that even though it’s completely normal. We’ve all been there when we were young talking about stuff we didn’t quite understand, we just thought we did.
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean, he apparently thinks sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago due to hardware limitations, totally unaware that sprint has been around for longer than that. He even said that as if we don’t know what we’re talking about. Can’t really take people like that seriously until they show that they want to be taken seriously.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
> > > >
> > > > 25yrs old btw. Quote me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember saying sprint wasn’t possible back then. My first and favorite game was super metroid. I’ve played all of the Halo games. I initially started with Halo 2 and then went back and played Halo CE just for the experience. I used to LAN party with friends at my place and had a great time. Even so with that being said, I don’t think a paragraph of text tells you enough about ones life for you to pass judgement on it. I think that’s a pretty neutral statement.
> > > >
> > > > But once again, this is far off topic.
> > >
> > >
> > > So I guess you’re just wildly uninformed on the state of games from over the past 20 years because when you said:
> > >
> > > “Gameplay back then in the older games was limited to what you could do because of hardware limitations. Now we have allot more options in what we can do. You guys are telling me, when they can plug you into the computer like the matrix, you’re gonna still want to walk at the same speed at all times?”
> > >
> > > It was very clear that you seemed to think sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago. Argue it all you want now, but there’s no wiggle room in what you said.
> >
> >
> > Man it’d be cool if I knew how to use italics… But “it was very clear that you SEEMED to think that sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago”. Thanks for that, not even you could state it as fact. Nice try though.
>
>
> Argue it however you want, it’s clear what you said and you’re wildly ignorant on the matter.
Riiight. I could state the same for you, but it’s just another opinion and another claim. I agree to disagree. Have a nice night.
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Definitely one of the weaker pro-sprint arguments I’ve heard.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The lack of these mechanics back then wasn’t because it would be impossible to implement them. It was because developers either didn’t care about adding them or simply hadn’t thought about doing it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Arguments like his are good way to find out who the young ones are. At least then we can’t really expect them to know too much about the topic at hand.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > that’s a bit mean…
> > > > > > > but still true XD
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wasn’t trying to be mean, but there have been a number of times I see people talk about issues like these, but they’re young enough (maybe 20 yrs old or below) to not know much about either the earlier days of the franchise or the earlier days of gaming. The thing is, they often get offended when someone says that even though it’s completely normal. We’ve all been there when we were young talking about stuff we didn’t quite understand, we just thought we did.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I mean, he apparently thinks sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago due to hardware limitations, totally unaware that sprint has been around for longer than that. He even said that as if we don’t know what we’re talking about. Can’t really take people like that seriously until they show that they want to be taken seriously.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
> > > > >
> > > > > 25yrs old btw. Quote me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember saying sprint wasn’t possible back then. My first and favorite game was super metroid. I’ve played all of the Halo games. I initially started with Halo 2 and then went back and played Halo CE just for the experience. I used to LAN party with friends at my place and had a great time. Even so with that being said, I don’t think a paragraph of text tells you enough about ones life for you to pass judgement on it. I think that’s a pretty neutral statement.
> > > > >
> > > > > But once again, this is far off topic.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So I guess you’re just wildly uninformed on the state of games from over the past 20 years because when you said:
> > > >
> > > > “Gameplay back then in the older games was limited to what you could do because of hardware limitations. Now we have allot more options in what we can do. You guys are telling me, when they can plug you into the computer like the matrix, you’re gonna still want to walk at the same speed at all times?”
> > > >
> > > > It was very clear that you seemed to think sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago. Argue it all you want now, but there’s no wiggle room in what you said.
> > >
> > >
> > > Man it’d be cool if I knew how to use italics… But “it was very clear that you SEEMED to think that sprint wasn’t possible 15 years ago”. Thanks for that, not even you could state it as fact. Nice try though.
> >
> >
> > Argue it however you want, it’s clear what you said and you’re wildly ignorant on the matter.
>
>
> Riiight. I could state the same for you, but it’s just another opinion and another claim. I agree to disagree. Have a nice night.
That’s fine, but like I said earlier, we’re not expecting you to know any of this stuff.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how people still debate over this lol
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > > > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Aside from the many reasons posted in this thread, sure.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Again, having spartans not being able to run is the dumbest thing you could do now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Saying its the dumbest thing is very dangerous to say here, bro (not a threat). We are the true Halo community and Halo is not Halo with sprint
> >
> >
> > Its allright dude. I know the originals dont have sprint. I have every single Halo game and my favorites are H1 and H2. Every single game introduces something new. H2 brought dual wielding, H3 brought new nades and weapons and items and so on. Sprint has slowly made its way into Halo and it should stay.
>
>
> Why?
>
> The new things that were brought in (you mentioned things like dual-wielding and equipment) were subject to removal when it was found they harmed more than helped. Can you put together an argument other than “it’s stupid” for why Sprint should stay?
Sure, the first thing being the smoothness of the gameplay, sure there might be somethings that dont exactly work very well (looking at you spartan charge), but you can’t deny that walking and sprinting in halo 5 is one of the smoothest in games right now. Personally, I don’t mind any of the new abilities, but thats just me. After reading the novels all I wanted was to MOVE like a spartan, feel like one, and halo 5 achieves it. This is all my personal opinion, and you dont have to agree, but to me, sprint is just fine where it is.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how people still debate over this lol
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > #readthefallofthereach
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
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> > > > > > > > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
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> > > > > > > We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
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> > > > > > Aside from the many reasons posted in this thread, sure.
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> > > > > Again, having spartans not being able to run is the dumbest thing you could do now.
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> > > > Saying its the dumbest thing is very dangerous to say here, bro (not a threat). We are the true Halo community and Halo is not Halo with sprint
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> > > Its allright dude. I know the originals dont have sprint. I have every single Halo game and my favorites are H1 and H2. Every single game introduces something new. H2 brought dual wielding, H3 brought new nades and weapons and items and so on. Sprint has slowly made its way into Halo and it should stay.
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One could argue that it would feel smoother and make you feel more like a Spartan if you could run fast and shoot at the same time. Just look at Gordon Freeman, or Doom Guy, or even the Scout from TF2, they run very fast and can shoot their guns at the same time. Why is it that a Spartan super soldier can’t run faster than a regular space marine, a theoretical physicist in an armored hazmat suit, or some scrawny guy with a baseball bat and a lever-action firearm without having to lower his weapon first?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how people still debate over this lol
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> > > > > > > > > > > > yeah I agree, it’s baffling to see people still defending sprint right?
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> > > > > > > > > > > Yes
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> > > > > > > > > > Dude, sprint is good for halo, shadap. Kelly runs at 60mph no sweat
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> > > > > > > > > We can have a base movement of 60mph right?
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> > > > > > > > You know pretty well that Spartans are able to run incredibly fast. Having your character move like a brick like in halo 3 is just terrible.
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> > > > > > > Halo doesn’t need sprint to make game faster and I would prefer slow gameplay like Halo 3 than being fast like others.
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> > > > > > To each their own I guess. Just try to get used to it because sprint is not leaving. It is just funny how there are 300+ pages on this thread and you guys dont realize sprint is not going anywhere. The best solution is to make classic playlists for multiplayer. Sadly, 343 are lazy and probably wont do them. (I miss h2 gameplay sometimes)
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> > > > > It’s funnier how you’re so convinced sprint isn’t going anywhere. One look at the history of the franchise and it becomes more and more obvious that sprint will take its leave in the not too distant future. How many gameplay mechanics have stood the test of time? Weapons, grenades and melee seem to be the main, if not only, constants. Perhaps there are others, but not very many at all. Sprint’s been around longer than most other tried mechanics and it’s been continually altered so that it’s becoming less impactful on the game, so how long until it’s removed completely? Throw in how games are once again moving away from it in favor of faster paced gameplay and that’s even more reason why it won’t be around for long.
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> > > > > Not only does sprint make no sense for the gameplay, but it also makes no sense to think it will be here much longer.
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> > > > We shall see bro. Honestly, theres no reason to think it shouldnt be in the game. Spartans are able to run, thats just how it is. The only thing they need to do is actually do proper levels to accomodate it.
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> > Again, having spartans not being able to run is the dumbest thing you could do now.
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> This is a game, not a simulation. In fact, the dumbest thing you can do is add a mechanic to the game for any reason other than because it’s what’s best for the gameplay. Not even 343 has tried to explain the gameplay reasons for its inclusion (because they can’t).
You’re definitely right about it being a game! If you’re not enjoying this particular game it might be time to find a different game to play and stop -Yoinking!- about this one. The mechanics are what kept me playing despite the awful campaign, lack of game modes, splitscreen, and greedy microtransactions.
Improvements on games is inevitable otherwise how would you be able to compete with other companies and their games. If your games all look and feel the same then what’s the point if buying the new game? It’s just not smart to do that, even though I docwish 343 added a team classics or something among those lines.
With the addition of clamber, thruster/slide combo its looks like they are trying for a more free flowing and smoother experience, returning back to no sprint high BMS could definitely add to that.
I know a lot here still wouldn’t be happy with even that.