GUYS LISTEN UP
There has been a strange concern about the evolved settings and classic game settings.
Surely by now 343 must have listened to us and seen that we crave a True halo experience.
Come on now, 343 we want OUR HALO to come back.
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> > > > > > > > > > I’ve got to say this argument is never going to go away… Personally I think halo without sprint is better because it allows for better pacing, more interesting map design, as well as better graphics considering the xbox one’s power. I say that because sprint does in fact stretch maps to make them bigger which accentuates the hardware’s limitations. Also I miss maps with man cannons and gravity lifts. Halo 3 really nailed gameplay in my opinion. I think halo could go back to non sprint and do something similar to DOOM and increase base speed a little. Even though MCC is still riddled with bugs I keep finding myself playing it because it has much more interesting and exciting encounters. One of the things I love about classic halo is that everyones speed is the same which requires you to come up with flank routes and predict enemy movement if they decide to run away. This also comes from the map design. I don’t know… right now I say no sprint because I really miss the feel of the original trilogy; but maybe it is map design that is failing us right now… I guess all I can say is that I miss the way halo used to feel. It felt unique and not like every other FPS on the market. I probably would go play DOOM but all the gore and the story don’t really interest me like the halo universe.
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> > > > > > > > > > PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS MY OPINION AND IN NO WAY IS MEANT TO INSULT YOU IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO.
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> > > > > > > > > How does a mechanic allow better graphics?
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> > > > > > > > Sorry, I must not have explained well enough. Sprint stretches maps which in turn asks the Xbox to render a lot more especially now that it is 60fps and 1080p. Is isn’t sprint directly but the larger maps because of sprint.
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> > > > > > > The maps aren’t bigger, empty spaces are bigger, it’s a huge difference
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> > > > > > Maps are bigger too.
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> > > > > To an extent, but don’t even try to say that maps like Avalanche were small, they were big with good design, 343 assumes that sprint just allows them to have huge maps, there are other aspects of design they miss
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> > > > I didn’t say those maps were small. Within the context of this discussion, sprint arena maps are larger than non-sprint arena maps.
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> > > Again they are not necessarily smaller, just not as well scaled, due to you acually fighting at a lower BMS than normal
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> > They’re smaller because the maps were built for that speed, which made them perfectly scaled. Sprint maps are built for the sprint speed, which makes them larger compared to non-sprint maps and larger relative to H5’s gameplay because you’re not always moving at sprint speed.
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> > Your suggestion that sprint maps aren’t necessarily larger would be correct if the maps were built for the BMS. But they’re not, they’re built for a speed you’re not often traveling at, which makes them too big, both literally and relatively.
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> The maps feel larger because having sprint supports a lower BMS.
And when you bump the BMS and keep sprint, you eliminate the need to even sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > I’ve got to say this argument is never going to go away… Personally I think halo without sprint is better because it allows for better pacing, more interesting map design, as well as better graphics considering the xbox one’s power. I say that because sprint does in fact stretch maps to make them bigger which accentuates the hardware’s limitations. Also I miss maps with man cannons and gravity lifts. Halo 3 really nailed gameplay in my opinion. I think halo could go back to non sprint and do something similar to DOOM and increase base speed a little. Even though MCC is still riddled with bugs I keep finding myself playing it because it has much more interesting and exciting encounters. One of the things I love about classic halo is that everyones speed is the same which requires you to come up with flank routes and predict enemy movement if they decide to run away. This also comes from the map design. I don’t know… right now I say no sprint because I really miss the feel of the original trilogy; but maybe it is map design that is failing us right now… I guess all I can say is that I miss the way halo used to feel. It felt unique and not like every other FPS on the market. I probably would go play DOOM but all the gore and the story don’t really interest me like the halo universe.
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> > > > > > > > > > PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS MY OPINION AND IN NO WAY IS MEANT TO INSULT YOU IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO.
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> > > > > > > > > How does a mechanic allow better graphics?
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> > > > > > > > Sorry, I must not have explained well enough. Sprint stretches maps which in turn asks the Xbox to render a lot more especially now that it is 60fps and 1080p. Is isn’t sprint directly but the larger maps because of sprint.
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> > > > > > > The maps aren’t bigger, empty spaces are bigger, it’s a huge difference
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> > > > > > Maps are bigger too.
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> > > > > To an extent, but don’t even try to say that maps like Avalanche were small, they were big with good design, 343 assumes that sprint just allows them to have huge maps, there are other aspects of design they miss
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> > > > I didn’t say those maps were small. Within the context of this discussion, sprint arena maps are larger than non-sprint arena maps.
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> > > Again they are not necessarily smaller, just not as well scaled, due to you acually fighting at a lower BMS than normal
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> > They’re smaller because the maps were built for that speed, which made them perfectly scaled. Sprint maps are built for the sprint speed, which makes them larger compared to non-sprint maps and larger relative to H5’s gameplay because you’re not always moving at sprint speed.
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> > Your suggestion that sprint maps aren’t necessarily larger would be correct if the maps were built for the BMS. But they’re not, they’re built for a speed you’re not often traveling at, which makes them too big, both literally and relatively.
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> The maps feel larger because having sprint supports a lower BMS.
They also feel larger because they are larger.
As far as a lower BMS, you’ll have to show me some sort of proof. As far as I understand, Halo 5 has a similar BMS as the other games.
I believe it’s been established here, through measurements, that Halo 3 and 4 had the same BMS, so is there evidence of it being slower in Halo 5?
I guess you are talking just by you because i really like the advantage of sprinting without a perk because it makes more real the game, just think about this:
Who could be the soldier that just walk beetween a battle field? That’s so unreal, in my opinion sprinting makes Halo better
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> > > > Guys, I’m going to be completely honest. On Friday I had Halo 3 lan with 6 people total, swords and unlimited nades, we had a blast. I couldn’t use my sword(I’m too op with it and only used nades) :D. Today I tried playing Halo 5 after a 6-month-break. The very first thing that felt very off was aiming, and I’m not talking about aiming other people, I mean just traversing the map was weird and aiming felt off.
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> > > > Then I felt all that was wrong back then, felt even worse now. Maps that have open areas not meant for battle, if I was not sprinting across one, I was extremely easy to pick off. Little pieces of cover for people to thrust behind. Strafing having absolutely no effect and thrusting is the only way to dodge bullets. Clamber causing the maps to have no flow, meaning you can go from any place to anywhere even if you’re on a completely different horizontal level. Wide halls and stairs So you can utilize thrusters. Ridiculous shotgun range and op smg. One guy kept running around the map picking up the smg and staking up extremely easy kills. People Spartan charging and ground pounding everywhere. Movement felt all over the place and very zigzagy.
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> > > > After all of this I tested the classic settings, no Spartan abilities, movement buffet to 120% to match sprinting speed, higher acceleration so that strafing made sense and I raised the 110% jump height to 120% so you can make all the jumps at least with crouch jumping. I can’t describe it, it just felt great, the game felt so much faster and more dynamic. Moving around was seamless and jumping didn’t acquire me to face the direction I’m jumping.
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> > > > I must admit, there have been some good updates. Post game info and statistics have been changed for the better, doubles and multiteam are great additions.
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> > > Very well said and exactly how I feel. What do you think of thrusters if halo removed sprint? I think it could be a good mechanic that would really compliment a Halo 3 style of play.
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> > Thrusters are not that bad is strafing is relevant without them. As of now the slow movement and acceleration of Halo 5 coupled with high bullet magnetism make strafing futile. What I don’t like about thrusters is the escape-out-of-bad-situation they bring to the table. While I was playing Halo 3 there were moments where I thought to myself " oh damn I could have escaped that death by thrusting sideways or I would have made the jump if had thrusters" then I noticed that those were the moments I would has robbed my eneI my a fair kill or that I made a huge mistake and would get no punishment from it. That is how I feel Halo 5 thrusters act as of now. People keeping distance and keeping close to corners to thrust away or face someone unprepared and just thrust away. The ‘think before you act’ is absent from Halo 5. It is strongly going towards the CoD style of first see, first kill.
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> I agree with halo is becoming more of a first to see gets the kill. Truly if it were up to me I wouldn’t include thrusters but people seem hellbent on adding a movement mechanic and I think that would be the better option.
If I have to choose the less bitter of the two poisons I have to go with thrusters. In reality, why these mechanics that remove you from combat never work with Halo is because of longer kill times; the game only slows down when two people start a battle and neither of them die, and this happens more often in Halo 5 (this is why they lowered TTK). I said this before and I’ll say it again. All of these movement options will work better when they remove shields and lower the TTK to 0.4s. I just hope they’ll also remove ‘Halo’ from the title.
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> I guess you are talking just by you because i really like the advantage of sprinting without a perk because it makes more real the game, just think about this:
> Who could be the soldier that just walk beetween a battle field? That’s so unreal, in my opinion sprinting makes Halo better
I really have no clue what your first compilation of words mean. Are you suggesting lore and game-play must go hand in hand? Just a simple read of this thread shows why tying the two together is problematic and antithetical to game design.
I don’t think so, i like the ability to sprint, it makes better halo
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> I guess you are talking just by you because i really like the advantage of sprinting without a perk because it makes more real the game, just think about this:
> Who could be the soldier that just walk beetween a battle field? That’s so unreal, in my opinion sprinting makes Halo better
Made a new account to say this or did you just start Halo and this was the first thing that came to mind? No, I have never walked between a battlefield. I’ve always had a running speed in every direction coupled with a deadly accuracy with any weapon I’ve held. That’s what me a deadly weapon of war, a true spartan.
Halo 5 is still Halo even with the sprint feature. Halo will never be “the old Halo” again, unless 343 handed it back over to Bungie.
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> Halo 5 is still Halo even with the sprint feature. Halo will never be “the old Halo” again, unless 343 handed it back over to Bungie.
And Bungie is not taking Halo back because they want to work on Destiny
A true Spartan doesn’t need to talk like a God, because a hero could be Noble, this account is new because sombody stoled my other account, i hate this people but… What ever… It’s just my opinion, if you feel better i think you can show me on the Battle field not in your comments
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> Halo 5 is still Halo even with the sprint feature. Halo will never be “the old Halo” again, unless 343 handed it back over to Bungie.
Yes it is Halo, but it’s not what people expect from a “Halo” title, just like the current Call of Duty.
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> Halo 5 is still Halo even with the sprint feature. Halo will never be “the old Halo” again, unless 343 handed it back over to Bungie.
Even with Bungie heading development it would not be the “old Halo” just look at Halo Reach. I’m still enjoying the game and If you want to experience the old Halo, just fire up the MCC. You have ALL of Halo to access.
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> > > > > > > > > > > I’ve got to say this argument is never going to go away… Personally I think halo without sprint is better because it allows for better pacing, more interesting map design, as well as better graphics considering the xbox one’s power. I say that because sprint does in fact stretch maps to make them bigger which accentuates the hardware’s limitations. Also I miss maps with man cannons and gravity lifts. Halo 3 really nailed gameplay in my opinion. I think halo could go back to non sprint and do something similar to DOOM and increase base speed a little. Even though MCC is still riddled with bugs I keep finding myself playing it because it has much more interesting and exciting encounters. One of the things I love about classic halo is that everyones speed is the same which requires you to come up with flank routes and predict enemy movement if they decide to run away. This also comes from the map design. I don’t know… right now I say no sprint because I really miss the feel of the original trilogy; but maybe it is map design that is failing us right now… I guess all I can say is that I miss the way halo used to feel. It felt unique and not like every other FPS on the market. I probably would go play DOOM but all the gore and the story don’t really interest me like the halo universe.
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> > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS MY OPINION AND IN NO WAY IS MEANT TO INSULT YOU IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO.
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> > > > > > > > > > How does a mechanic allow better graphics?
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sorry, I must not have explained well enough. Sprint stretches maps which in turn asks the Xbox to render a lot more especially now that it is 60fps and 1080p. Is isn’t sprint directly but the larger maps because of sprint.
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> > > > > > > > The maps aren’t bigger, empty spaces are bigger, it’s a huge difference
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> > > > > > > Maps are bigger too.
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> > > > > > To an extent, but don’t even try to say that maps like Avalanche were small, they were big with good design, 343 assumes that sprint just allows them to have huge maps, there are other aspects of design they miss
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> > > > > I didn’t say those maps were small. Within the context of this discussion, sprint arena maps are larger than non-sprint arena maps.
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> > > > Again they are not necessarily smaller, just not as well scaled, due to you acually fighting at a lower BMS than normal
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> > > They’re smaller because the maps were built for that speed, which made them perfectly scaled. Sprint maps are built for the sprint speed, which makes them larger compared to non-sprint maps and larger relative to H5’s gameplay because you’re not always moving at sprint speed.
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> > > Your suggestion that sprint maps aren’t necessarily larger would be correct if the maps were built for the BMS. But they’re not, they’re built for a speed you’re not often traveling at, which makes them too big, both literally and relatively.
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> > The maps feel larger because having sprint supports a lower BMS.
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> And when you bump the BMS and keep sprint, you eliminate the need to even sprint.
Exactly
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> I don’t think so, i like the ability to sprint, it makes better halo
LMAO
it is just my opinion
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> it is just my opinion
It’s fine if you like it, but please elaborate on why/how you think it makes Halo “better”.
we need moderators taking down people who simply say I like/dislike sprint without giving any construction.
If it’s your opinion, that’s cool, but with 301 pages down the line, we can’t still be saying this.
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> > > > > > > > > > > I’ve got to say this argument is never going to go away… Personally I think halo without sprint is better because it allows for better pacing, more interesting map design, as well as better graphics considering the xbox one’s power. I say that because sprint does in fact stretch maps to make them bigger which accentuates the hardware’s limitations. Also I miss maps with man cannons and gravity lifts. Halo 3 really nailed gameplay in my opinion. I think halo could go back to non sprint and do something similar to DOOM and increase base speed a little. Even though MCC is still riddled with bugs I keep finding myself playing it because it has much more interesting and exciting encounters. One of the things I love about classic halo is that everyones speed is the same which requires you to come up with flank routes and predict enemy movement if they decide to run away. This also comes from the map design. I don’t know… right now I say no sprint because I really miss the feel of the original trilogy; but maybe it is map design that is failing us right now… I guess all I can say is that I miss the way halo used to feel. It felt unique and not like every other FPS on the market. I probably would go play DOOM but all the gore and the story don’t really interest me like the halo universe.
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> > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS MY OPINION AND IN NO WAY IS MEANT TO INSULT YOU IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO.
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> > > > > > > > > > How does a mechanic allow better graphics?
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> > > > > > > > > Sorry, I must not have explained well enough. Sprint stretches maps which in turn asks the Xbox to render a lot more especially now that it is 60fps and 1080p. Is isn’t sprint directly but the larger maps because of sprint.
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> > > > > > > > The maps aren’t bigger, empty spaces are bigger, it’s a huge difference
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> > > > > > > Maps are bigger too.
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> > > > > > To an extent, but don’t even try to say that maps like Avalanche were small, they were big with good design, 343 assumes that sprint just allows them to have huge maps, there are other aspects of design they miss
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> > > > > I didn’t say those maps were small. Within the context of this discussion, sprint arena maps are larger than non-sprint arena maps.
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> > > > Again they are not necessarily smaller, just not as well scaled, due to you acually fighting at a lower BMS than normal
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> > > They’re smaller because the maps were built for that speed, which made them perfectly scaled. Sprint maps are built for the sprint speed, which makes them larger compared to non-sprint maps and larger relative to H5’s gameplay because you’re not always moving at sprint speed.
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> > > Your suggestion that sprint maps aren’t necessarily larger would be correct if the maps were built for the BMS. But they’re not, they’re built for a speed you’re not often traveling at, which makes them too big, both literally and relatively.
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> > The maps feel larger because having sprint supports a lower BMS.
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> They also feel larger because they are larger.
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> As far as a lower BMS, you’ll have to show me some sort of proof. As far as I understand, Halo 5 has a similar BMS as the other games.
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> I believe it’s been established here, through measurements, that Halo 3 and 4 had the same BMS, so is there evidence of it being slower in Halo 5?
there is blatant proof halo 5 has a lower BMS than other halo’s
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> > > > > > > > > > > I’ve got to say this argument is never going to go away… Personally I think halo without sprint is better because it allows for better pacing, more interesting map design, as well as better graphics considering the xbox one’s power. I say that because sprint does in fact stretch maps to make them bigger which accentuates the hardware’s limitations. Also I miss maps with man cannons and gravity lifts. Halo 3 really nailed gameplay in my opinion. I think halo could go back to non sprint and do something similar to DOOM and increase base speed a little. Even though MCC is still riddled with bugs I keep finding myself playing it because it has much more interesting and exciting encounters. One of the things I love about classic halo is that everyones speed is the same which requires you to come up with flank routes and predict enemy movement if they decide to run away. This also comes from the map design. I don’t know… right now I say no sprint because I really miss the feel of the original trilogy; but maybe it is map design that is failing us right now… I guess all I can say is that I miss the way halo used to feel. It felt unique and not like every other FPS on the market. I probably would go play DOOM but all the gore and the story don’t really interest me like the halo universe.
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> > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS MY OPINION AND IN NO WAY IS MEANT TO INSULT YOU IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO.
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How does a mechanic allow better graphics?
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sorry, I must not have explained well enough. Sprint stretches maps which in turn asks the Xbox to render a lot more especially now that it is 60fps and 1080p. Is isn’t sprint directly but the larger maps because of sprint.
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> > > > > > > > The maps aren’t bigger, empty spaces are bigger, it’s a huge difference
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> > > > > > > Maps are bigger too.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > To an extent, but don’t even try to say that maps like Avalanche were small, they were big with good design, 343 assumes that sprint just allows them to have huge maps, there are other aspects of design they miss
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn’t say those maps were small. Within the context of this discussion, sprint arena maps are larger than non-sprint arena maps.
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> > > >
> > > > Again they are not necessarily smaller, just not as well scaled, due to you acually fighting at a lower BMS than normal
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> > > They’re smaller because the maps were built for that speed, which made them perfectly scaled. Sprint maps are built for the sprint speed, which makes them larger compared to non-sprint maps and larger relative to H5’s gameplay because you’re not always moving at sprint speed.
> > >
> > > Your suggestion that sprint maps aren’t necessarily larger would be correct if the maps were built for the BMS. But they’re not, they’re built for a speed you’re not often traveling at, which makes them too big, both literally and relatively.
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> > The maps feel larger because having sprint supports a lower BMS.
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> They also feel larger because they are larger.
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> As far as a lower BMS, you’ll have to show me some sort of proof. As far as I understand, Halo 5 has a similar BMS as the other games.
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> I believe it’s been established here, through measurements, that Halo 3 and 4 had the same BMS, so is there evidence of it being slower in Halo 5?
Halo 4 did not have the same BMS in standard multiplayer, modes like forge and some non ranked modes had 110 BMS, standard arena had a normal 100 BMS, which even though it was the same number, it was shown on maps like pitfall to be slower,( someone posted a full video comparison earlier). Take truth in h5, walking any given distance in h3 is the same as sprint in any distance in h5. The maps feel slower due to the lowered BMS, but are for the most part the same size.